Thread 283671891

How do you feel about the current anime movies trend?

>>283671891 (OP)
with my hands

>>283671891 (OP)
>wholesome family friendly anime about perseverance and salvation
>literal coomerbait femdom slop made for horny zooms and zooms and fujoshit enjoyers
>reddit core second hand ripped off of narugod made for cringe ass zoom zooms
no wonder kny won

>>283672124
I agree with everything you're saying, but please for the love of God say it like a civilized human being

>>283672124
And it beat Boku no shitro and Naruto too

>>283671891 (OP)
You tell me.
https://desuarchive.org/a/thread/283657652/

>>283671891 (OP)
What is that JJK movie? Never heard of it and it's not even on MAL

>>283673903
some recap shit of previous season plus 2 or 3 new episodes like they do these days to drain the stupid fucking japs

>>283671891 (OP)
embarrassed. anime is a guilty pleasure, not a serious fandom.

>>283673946
They always did recap movies made of glued episodes but they used to only play in little minitheaters. It's just KnY blowing up battle shonen to the point minitheater movies can play in real theaters and make money.

>>283671891 (OP)
The New Big 3

>>283671891 (OP)
I don't like it. It feels like another way to cut cost, and to make anime shorter.

Anime isn't special anymore.

>>283671891 (OP)
I hate it because it’s mainstream. In fact, I hate anything that’s mainstream

>>283672124
It’s always felt strange to me that KnY, which is filled with gore, dismemberment, exposed organs, and decapitations, is treated as a family-friendly series.

>>283671891 (OP)
This new Big Three is short-lived, all of them are temporary phenomena.
KbY and JJK have already finished their manga runs, and their anime adaptations are clearly nearing the finish line.
CSM, meanwhile, owes much of its success to the Reze arc being received as a romantic film, so it’ll be difficult to maintain its popularity beyond that.
Most importantly, there are no new manga, in Jump or anywhere else, that seem worthy of succeeding them.
They (especially KnY) will likely set some of the biggest records in Japanese anime history, but the sad truth is that those records might also mark the last global megahit for Japanese animation, which honestly feels a bit bittersweet.

>>283671891 (OP)
CSM was funny
Don't care about the other two

>>283677351
Puritans don't care about violence, only about sex.

>>283677610
Sex is far more psychologically damaging to undeveloped minds than violence

>>283671891 (OP)
>now snowing

>>283677610
But among the new Big Three, Demon Slayer is actually the second most sexual series.
For some reason, Gege seems to have an aversion to depicting female characters in sexually appealing scenes.

>>283677676
The idea of something as natural as sex being harmful to us is puritan bullshit. Every boy I knew was talking about sex even when I was a kid.

>>283677263
I'm very hesitant to call Demon Slayer, Chainsaw Man and Jujutsu Kaisen mainstream, because all of these movies are almost entirely fan-driven. Demon Slayer made $70 million at its opening, but it was also VERY frontloaded and had a sharp decline of -75% in its 2nd weekend with a lot of its money still coming from Asia, mostly Japan. Fans came, then they left but the mainstream never showed up.

Chainsaw Man also suffered similarly, it had a big opening but it couldn't sustain its momentum and thus, declined by -66% in its second weekend. Chainsaw Man didn't benefit from Demon Slayer at all.

Jujutsu Kaisen saw a similar decline years ago with Jujutsu Kaisen 0. It had a big opening, but fell off by -75% because anime movies don't have staying power or crossover appeal to attract casuals.

The ONLY anime I can safely say are mainstream in the truest sense of the word are: Dragon Ball, Pokémon, Naruto and recently, One Piece, as a thanks to the live action show.

>>283677610
>>283677676
The Puritans believe that if you don't believe in a magic sky fairy, you will burn in a lake of fire for all eternity. Let's be real here. American puritans love violence because they fantasize about the people they hate burning for eternity. But Sex? It's scary

>>283677610
americans are the ones who give KnY an R rating, it's japs that show it straight up to four year olds

>>283677822
You lost J

>>283677822
Most of KNY’s box office revenue this time came from outside Japan, and CSM also earned more than half of its total from overseas markets.

Even if Dragon Ball or One Piece release new films, none of them come anywhere close to the new Big 3.
In fact, both Dragon Ball and One Piece have had movies released in recent years, but they were completely crushed, both in Japan and in the West, by every single film from the new Big 3.
To make matters worse, One Piece Film: Red made nearly the same amount in North America as KNY’s compilation film, which was literally just recycled episode from the already-aired TV episodes.

The idea that the old Jump powerhouses are somehow still surpassing the new Big Three is nothing but a complete illusion.

>>283677822
Didn't Demon Slayer make more than Superman? That's mainstream

>>283671891 (OP)
They are tv specials, anime movies are dead.

>>283677822
>>283678146
Looking at the actual data, it’s clear that One Piece earned most of its box office revenue from Japan.
In the U.S., Uta got absolutely destroyed by Reze, a triple score difference.

>>283678195
It made more than superman, F4, HTTYD and with China it has a shot at beating JW.
A movie that's making 800 million USD is by no means niche.
But J has been coping about this since it released, as, according to him
>due to franchise fatigue the movie would make 200 million tops

>>283678195
Yes.
What’s most fascinating is that if you subtract the U.S. earnings from Superman’s worldwide box office, the remaining figure is still smaller than Infinity Castle’s worldwide box office minus Japan.
In other words, KnY is, in every sense, the series that commands greater support from audiences outside its home country.

>>283678294
The shitty idol movie was popular in japan and not the west? Color me surprised.

>>283678294
Reze defeated even Broly.

>>283678146
Film Red’s failure in the U.S. was personally shocking to me.
By 2022, One Piece was already at peak popularity in the West, so I was convinced this movie would surpass Mugen Train’s record in America.

>>283678506
It was pure shit. Uta was a shit and forced character. The final battle was shit. It was basically the same movie from before, I forgot the name it was so forgettable, but idol shit this time. It was a dog shit movie.

>>283678146
That doesn't actually disprove anything what I say. Demon Slayer has earned more total dollars outside Japan BUT that's because it was released across dozens of countries, not because it suddenly became a mainstream Western hit. Japan is still the single largest market for any Demon Slayer movie and Asia (South Korea, Taiwan, Hong Kong, Southeast Asia) still makes up 70 or 80% of its total gross. It’s not really a global dominance, it’s an Asian regional dominance.
>CSM also earned more than half of its total from overseas markets.
Those international earnings are concentrated in Asia, not from the US or Europe. You can go to Box Office Mojo and see for yourself, and 24% of its earnings comes from the US while 75% of its gross comes from international, with most of it being from Asia and Japan making up a huge chunk. It looks global because it made a lot of money, but most of it's still regionally fan-driven.
>Even if Dragon Ball or One Piece release new films, none of them come anywhere close to the new Big 3.
The only one that's comparable is Demon Slayer, which was also VERY fan-driven and still makes most of its money from Asia, especially Japan. One Piece made more money than Chainsaw Man and Jujutsu Kaisen, but just like them, One Piece also made of its money from Japan. Dragon Ball Super Broly actually made most of its money from the West and not Asia. It had nearly a 50-50 ratio between America and Japan.
>>283678297
Demon Slayer pulling in (estimated) $650M+ is impressive... but most of it is still from Japan. That doesn't mean it's a flop, but it does mean it hasn't crossed over the way Marvel, Pixar, or even Barbie did. Mainstream media everywhere was talking about Barbie and Spider-Verse because they attracted casual audiences and not just core fans. Demon Slayer, unless you're already into anime, you wouldn't even know it dropped.

>>283678506
The kind of fuckup 95IQ millennial that still watches One Piece is grossly over-represented on social media. By no means was there any hope of it ever selling well in the US.

>>283678195
We don't know. Box Office Mojo lowered Demon Slayer's revenue, because most of its money is still coming from Asia so it's more susceptible to FX volatility. That's why Asian movies makes box office analysts groan. I say it's best to wait until the end of the year or at least until its theatrical run ends so that we know for sure how much this movie actually made.

>>283678506
Only brown latin americans like one piece these days

>>283678379
Now go look up Box Office Mojo and see how much of that money comes from Asia and not the West.

Dragon Ball doesn't need Asia like Demon Slayer, Jujutsu Kaisen and Chainsaw Man does, and it didn't need Asia for a long time. Super Hwro actually made more money in America than Japan because Dragon Ball has transcended the anime niche decades ago just like Pokémon. It is truly a global mainstream hit, and not regionally dependent.

>>283678379

Now go look up Box Office Mojo and see how much of that money comes from Asia and not the West.

Dragon Ball doesn't need Asia like Demon Slayer, Jujutsu Kaisen and Chainsaw Man does, and it didn't need Asia for a long time. Super Hero actually made more money in America than Japan because Dragon Ball has transcended the anime niche decades ago just like Pokémon. It is truly a global mainstream hit, and not regionally dependent. One Piece has recently crossed that threshold too thanks to Netflix.

>>283677778
if you think of how good you feel after sex as the most potent drug in the world then it makes sense

>>283678685
>but most of it is still from Japan
>Out of the $650 million world wide total, $250 million came from Japan.
>most of it

You seriously need to go back to elementary school and relearn math, J.

>>283677245
Anime was never special.

>>283678715
>>283679033
What a bizarre cope.

>>283671891 (OP)
>tie-in shounen slop
>romanceshit
I hate it.
Bring back anime movies for red-blooded men.

wan piss is a failure

>>283678146
It's good news, it means the younger generations are growing up with new shows and new artists are able to inspire.others.

>>283671891 (OP)
Reze arc felt like it had a reason to exist, and would have sucked if made with a normal season budget
If series want to split the more complicated seasons into movies I’m happy with that

The other two are basically pointless, why can’t KnY and JJK have filler movies which are at least new content? I saw the trailer for JJK’s movie and it has the exact same quality of the series and will eventually be released as a normal season so it doesn’t need to exist

>>283679070
That's your own fault for having poor reading comprehension. I wasn't saying:
>Most of Demon Slayer's money comes from Japan.
What I WAS saying:
>Demon Slayer relies on Japan + Asia to get big.
There's a difference between where the raw money comes from (percentages), and which regions determine whether the movie is a hit or a flop.
>>283679108
Not really. Go to Box Office Mojo and see for yourself, they lowered Demon Slayer's revenue, because majority of its money is still coming from Asia so they're more susceptible to FX volatility. Demon Slayer is Asia-dependent. If Japan, East Asia, or SEA underperform then the movie collapses globally. Same with CSM and JJK. Dragon Ball is not Asia-dependent and they didn't need Asia for decades. It actually makes more money outside Japan than it does in its home country, just like Pokémon. So even when Japan underperforms, Dragon Ball can still pull huge numbers in the US, Europe and LATAM. One Piece recently also makes more money outside Japan thanks to Netflix. That live action show has done more for One Piece's Western exposure than the anime ever did. That's the whole point.

>>283671891 (OP)
It's really healthy for the industry I think.
Studios can now get more cash to actually pay their animators and the release schedule allow them more time to work on the episodes.

>>283677822
>I'm very hesitant to call Demon Slayer, Chainsaw Man and Jujutsu Kaisen mainstream
There is no way in hell you actually believe for a minute they arent.

>>283679051
But is not even close to the most potent drug, even video games are more addictive

>>283677875
It's not a magic sky fairy, the elohim were real living and breathing mortal beings. the bible is a hostory book not fiction

>>283678685
>>283679033
I can’t tell if you’re baiting or if you genuinely live in a delusional fantasy world and need help, but it looks like both of your precious DB movies entire global box office didn’t even match Infinity Castle’s U.S. box office alone.

Dragon Ball is famous in name only, in reality, very few people from the younger generation actually care about it anymore.
Their attention has completely shifted to Demon Slayer, Jujutsu Kaisen, Chainsaw Man, and Dandadan.

>>283679448
This. I rarely see anyone under the age of 30 talk about it.

>>283679448
I can understand the others by why the fuck is Dandadan popular? Both the manga and anime is trash and the anime makes every character 10x more annoying

>>283679448
>dandadan
lol, trying too hard now

>>283679375
That's your own fault for having poor reading comprehension and not actually understanding what I say. Demon Slayer made more total money than either Dragon Ball movies, but total money =/= how wide or balanced your audience is.

You can even look it up yourself on Box Office Mojo and see that Demon Slayer earned 77% of its total from Asia (Japan, Hong Kong, Korea, Taiwan, etc). Dragon Ball Super Broly earned over 45% of its total from the West (US, Latin America, Europe) and Super Hero earned more in the US than in Japan which is almost unheard of for an anime movie. Even though Dragon Ball's total is smaller, its geographic distribution proves it's genuinely global. Demon Slayer's revenue is much larger but it's regional and concentrated in East Asia.
>but it looks like both of your precious DB movies entire global box office didn’t even match Infinity Castle’s U.S. box office alone.
Even if Demon Slayer did $130M in the US, that's just one market and it barely even makes up majority of its revenue. In fact, it only makes up 22% while the rest of it comes from mostly Asia. Dragon Ball's reach isn't measured by one market, it's the cumulative spread and sustainability across dozens. If you only use totals to measure success, then Minions would be more mainstream than Star Wars but Star Wars has the stronger global brand just like Dragon Ball does for anime.

>>283679033
One Piece makes more money than Dragon Ball in everything besides video games. It has a top 4 TCG now too.

>>283671891 (OP)
Anime going mainstream was what killed anime

>>283679509
Asia or not, KnY has grossed over $668 million and is the highest-grossing Japanese movie of all time, all that matters.

>>283679448
More like people have standards and realize Dragon Ball stopped being good/relevant after Buu. It should have official ended with it any new material. Everyone 30+ has no interest in watching the or consuming the nu non canon shit.

>>283679509
By the way, based on calculations from Mojo’s data, Demon Slayer earned at very least $74 million from Europe and South America alone.
And that figure only includes major countries like France, Germany, the UK, Italy, Brazil, or Mexico, with the smaller million-dollar digits rounded down, so the actual number is much higher.
So then, how much did your Dragon Ball make in Europe and South America?

>>283679448
I read the whole thing, the story ended.
Never even watched the Broly movie the fans seem to love so much. The true sequel to Dragon Ball is Sand Land and the so-called DB fans never talk about it.

Indiferent since I only read manga nowadays and grew out of my anime phase in my early adulthood.

>>283679509
No matter what kind of excuses you come up with, the fact remains that KnY’s actual box office numbers in the West are far higher than DB’s.
Hate to break it to you, but a higher percentage doesn’t magically turn a 1 into a 10.

>>283679320
I'm hesitant because mainstream isn't just about high Xitter trends, big opening weekends and loud fanbases. It means:
>Cross-demographic appeal
>Cultural ubiquity
>Recognition beyond the niche
>The ability to sustain audience attention beyond core fans
In other words, your grandma probably knows who Pikachu and Goku are. She doesn't know who Rengoku, Gojo or Makima are. That's the line.

Also... Anime movie success is almost always frontloaded. They open big because fans show up early, then drop like a rock. Demon Slayer had a $70M opening in the US... but it dropped -75% 2nd weekend. Hardcore fans showed up, mainstream didn't, and Asia makes up probably 75 or 80% of total revenue.

Chainsaw Man was a hit in Asia and Japan, and opened with $18M in the US, but was met with crickets after. JJK 0 opened huge, fell off even harder and 75% of global gross is still from Japan + Asia. Broly had a 50/50 split between America and Japan. But LatAm, Europe and SE Asia also showed up. Detective Pikachu didn't even rely on Japan that much, it made more money in America, the UK and mainland China. Sonic didn't need Japan at all. In fact, Sonic 3 only made $1M there while most of its money came from the West, LatAm and a couple of Asian countries.

You see the pattern?

>>283679329
what about hentai video games

>>283679448
Always thought modern DBZ is popular just because of the brown demographic aka not real people, it's not the same DB I grew up with same with shit like WWE

1 Billys for KnY soon, tick tock J

>>283677435
Do you think that the production shift away from continuous episodes to fill a year is what is preventing a new 'big three' style megalith from arising?

Time was, you needed to always be making episodes even if that meant having filler arcs to buy time for the manga to get ahead. While quality of filler was debatable, the result was that you had 50 episodes a year and the sheer AMOUNT and PRESENCE of a show on the landscape allows it to be this towering thing.

Modern shows don't do that. You get like 13 episodes of MHA a year, usually. Maybe 25 if they do a split season with breaks in the middle. At most half of what shonen titans used to get in the past, and thats assuming no delays. They would rather animate nothing than animate filler, which keeps the story more focused and in theory allows them to maintain a higher production quality, but it makes the presence of these shows more sporadic than the shonen of old.

>>283679375
> $86 million
>Half of Reze

>>283677822
>because anime movies don't have staying power or crossover appeal to attract casuals.
Unless it is a shinkai film, Your Name was in theaters FOREVER even stateside. It was huge.
The problem you describe isn't a result of it being anime, its a result of these being interquels in an existing story. Why would I, a person who HASN'T watched a single episode of Demon Slayer, walk into the theater and buy a ticket for Infinity Castle except by accident?

>>283679788
Not really with Box Office Mojo lowering its revenue, but it's still nice to dream.

Also... Zootopia 2 is beating out Demon Slayer by a landslide in China, even when Demon Slayer is frontloaded. Go to Maoyan and see for yourself, it became the most anticipated animated movie of all time, beating Jiang Ziya which is unheard of from a Hollywood movie. The Chinese are treating Zootopia like a domestic movie (which makes sense because Zootopia is very China-coded). People are now suspecting this might hit Ne Zha 2's numbers.

>>283672124
>fujoshit
Daily reminder that Angel is canonically straight. Like that is literally the biggest point of his entire backstory. That he loved a woman. And Aki had Himeno and Makima, of course.

>>283679856
>Not really with Box Office Mojo lowering its revenue, but it's still nice to dream.

It's still $670M on thenumbers

>>283679877
The Numbers isn't any more right or wrong than BoxOfficeMojo. They're faster at reporting but unlike BoxOfficeMojo they don't adjust with foreign exchange and they get their reports from third party sources included plus their numbers are usually always unadjusted. That doesn't mean they're wrong though, it just means they report in a different way from Box Office Mojo. They're both legit.

I’ve always hated those boomers who overhype and worship DB or Naruto, so I wholeheartedly welcome the rise of the new Big3.
I want them to make even more movies, break more records, and drive those boomers absolutely insane with rage.
I especially want Demon Slayer to hit $1 billion worldwide with its next film, and JJK to break the $100 million mark in NA with the Shinjuku arc movie.

>>283677610
Puritans don't exist. It's the women. Sex is only scary to women. Men go along with it because they want to look good for the women.

We all need to meet up someday and play Tekken but no taking a picture of their passport in the middle of the game

>>283679954
and after all of that, you will still be branded a newfag

>>283679940
$648M had already been confirmed by Sony 3 weeks ago.

>sold more than three times as many comics as CSM and about the same as JJK
>still not counted as one of the new Big Three

This is unfair

>>283680058
And soon +$100M coming of China

>Championed Capeshit
>Championed NFL
>Now Championing furryshit
What's next

>>283680058
That's just distributor-side estimates, not verified exhibitor grosses converted at settlement. That's why you'll notice phrases like "estimated global total" and "from Sony/Crunchyroll markets" in articles. Box Office Mojo gets their numbers directly from Comscore which collects audited sales from actual theaters via exhibitors and partners before finalizing the actual numbers. That's also why Mugen Train got lowered from $500 to $400 something million.

>>283680079
If it had at least been released in China by August, it probably would’ve made over $400 million more.
By now, every fan in China has already watched the pirated version.
In fact, the massive leak and spread of the pirated copy right after the premiere originated from China in the first place.

>>283680150
Comscore does not have all the box office data, particularly from Asian countries, for Taiwan alone, they are short of more than 15 million

Anime should never become too popular because it made some people seethe and dealing with seething people like J or Koreans with inferiority complex shitting up the board is tiring

>>283680151
The good news is that the movie doesn't seem to have any censorship, which would have discouraged people from going to see it in theaters.

>>283679375
Given how poor DB’s box office numbers were, even if a new Naruto movie were released worldwide now, it would probably only make a bit over $100 million at best.
As for Bleach, it’d likely perform around the same level as Spy × Family.

>>283679572
That's just a box office brag, not a measure of reach or mainstream influence. Demon Slayer made an estimate of $600 million, but over 70 to 80% of that came from Japan and Asia. The movie barely registered in the US beyond week one and its international performance was strong for an anime, but modest in the context of global films. It's a record-breaking Japanese movie, but regional dominance is not the same as global mainstream status.

Also, if all that mattered were raw totals, then The Battle of Lake Changjin being a 2021 global top-grosser would make it mainstream. But it isn't, because outside China, almost no one saw or remembers it. Same logic applies.
>>283679668
If Demon Slayer made $74M across all of Europe and South America combined, that's actually not huge when you consider both are massive markets. That means most countries in those regions contributed only a few million each, which is still niche-level turnout. Meanwhile, Dragon Ball Super Broly made roughly $30M+ in Latin America alone, and another $10M+ in Europe despite being shown in fewer theaters and with far less marketing.

Add Super Hero's stronger Western numbers, and Dragon Ball easily matches or surpasses Demon Slayer's non-Asian pull across multiple releases. So the "how much did your DB make" line backfires, DB's geographic spread is wider, even if the total number is smaller.
>>283679720
If you actually read what I said, you'd see I wasn't saying Dragon Ball made more money. I was saying Dragon Ball's audience distribution proves it's more globally balanced.

Demon Slayer is like a restaurant that makes $600,000 from one city. Dragon Ball is like a restaurant that makes $100,000 each from ten cities. Who's more mainstream? The one that's everywhere, not just dominant in one spot. That's the difference between scale and spread.

>>283673955
>is
Was.

>>283680317
>Demon Slayer made an estimate of $600 million, but over 70 to 80% of that came from Japan and Asia.

+40% of the box office revenue comes from Europe and America, so you are wrong.

>>283680379
Someone had already calculated last time that 53% come from Asian countries, but the guy keeps saying 80%

>>283671891 (OP)
>How do you feel about the current anime movies trend?

Based on this thread it's turning/a/ into /tv/, so I can't say I'm a fan.

>>283671891 (OP)
>How do you feel about the current anime movies trend?
I guess Crunchy Roll wasnt making enough money for anime. Doesn't matter I pirate their shit anyways.

>>283680317
Weren’t you the one not listening to what I said?
The $74 million figure only includes a few major countries, with all the smaller million-dollar digits rounded down, the actual number is much higher.
I simply didn’t include everything because doing all that math would’ve been tedious.
And your restaurant analogy is completely off.
That’s because Demon Slayer clearly earned more than Dragon Ball in nearly every country.
If Dragon Ball is like a restaurant making $100,000 per city, then Demon Slayer is one making $600,000 in major cities and at least $200,000 even in smaller ones.

>>283671891 (OP)
trash
based
fujoshits

>>283680379
Yeah, and that "+40% from Europe and America" claim is not supported by Box Office Mojo. From Box Office Mojo and regional reports for Demon Slayer:
>Japan
$240 or 250 million, 40%.
>Rest of Asia (China, Korea, SEA)
$180 or 200 million, 35%.
>NA + Europe + LatAm
$130 million, ~22%
>Other territories (Africa, Arab, etc)
Probably 3%.
That's about 75 to 80% from Asia, 20 to 25% from everywhere else combined. There's no source that lists 40% from Europe + America. When people add foreign totals, they sometimes count all non-Japan revenue as the West. But Asia outside Japan is a HUGE market (China, Korea, Taiwan, Thailand) that can contribute hundreds of millions. They're not Western countries yet they're part of that foreign column on Box Office Mojo.
That's why you get this bloated 40% figure.

Also, even IF it made 40% from the West (if it were true, it's not), it wouldn't mean it's mainstream. It would still be heavily front-loaded (-75 % drop week 2) and driven almost entirely by anime fans. Pattern of attendance matters more than the ratio.

>>283680628
>NA + Europe + LatAm
$130 million, ~22%

NA alone it's +$130M and they are +$100M for Europe and LatAm by thenumbers data

>>283680317
>France
>Infinity Castle: 14m
>Broly: 4m

>UK
>Infinity Castle: 8m
>Broly: 1m

>Germany
>Infinity Castle: 15m
>Broly: no data

>Italy
>Infinity Castle: 5m
>Broly: 2.7m

>Spain
>Infinity Castle: 7m
>Broly: 1.8m

>Mexico:
>Infinity Castle: 18m
>Broly: 10m

>Brazil
>Infinity Castle: 7m
>Broly: 4m

>DB is more popular than DS in West.

>>283680628
That's a total of approximately $350 million for Asia countries on Mojo out of a total of $590 million, or 60%, far from your 80% again.

>>283679840
>Why would I, a person who HASN'T watched a single episode of Demon Slayer, walk into the theater and buy a ticket for Infinity Castle except by accident?
You wouldn't. And that's the entire point I've been making. These movies are fan-driven content, not mainstream films. You need prior knowledge, emotional investment, and often dozens of episodes of homework to even care what's happening. Infinity Castle isn't even a movie and you can tell it was made with TV in mind. It's a theatrical release of a season continuation and that's fine as a business model, but it kills casual appeal.

I don't think the problem is just interquels. Even standalone anime movies unless they're Ghibli, Shinkai, or sometimes Hosoda struggle for oxygen in general markets because most anime still don't really have crossover appeal. JJK 0 was standalone enough and Chainsaw Man had a clear 3 act structure but they still got frontloaded hard and vanished in a few weekends. Why? Well, they're both based on serialized media and most Western viewers didn't grow up with them. They also still operate within the aesthetic, pacing, and sensibilities of shounen anime. Shinkai actually does better in China than shounen anime because his films are more grounded.

>>283680883
>Even in South America, where DB performs the best, there’s still nearly a twofold gap.

Kek.
The funniest part is that J always calls Latin Americans “subhumans” and mocks them, yet when it comes to this, the very people he clings to for support are the South Americans.
And even limiting it to South America, DB is still getting beaten by nearly double.

>>283680628
>NA + Europe + LatAm
>$130 million, ~22%

Why lie? You know we have access to the figures?

>>283680883
It’s quite interesting that the whiter a country is, the more overwhelmingly KnY outperforms DB there.

>>283681126
Jeremy probably didn't understand that "domestic" on Mojo only referred to North America.

>>283679745
There is no way you look at those kinds of numbers and can still sit there and say its only a loud fanbase. Anime is no longer niche. My grandma couldnt even remember what I said to her 5 mins ago. I cant throw a stone without someone mentioning one of the 3 in some capacity at work and my job is normalfag central. Little children were running around as Tanjiro and Nezuko left and right on Halloween. You really need to go outside more instead of getting your information exclusively from the internet.

>>283671891 (OP)
back then i used to watch in cinemas or anime clubs
>saint seiya shinku shonen denshetsu, or cbz contratacan
>akira
>venus wars dubbed
>macross tu recuerdas el amor
>dbz broly dubbed
>perfect blue dubbed
>the end shin sekai evangelion
>and a lot of ghibli movies
now theres only retarded flashy shonen shit for tik tok generation

That anon that said J would just keep creating new objectives to undermine KnY's success was spot on lel.

>>283679968
Kek

>>283680753
Now you're just cherry-picking again and misunderstanding what those numbers actually mean. If you look at Box Office Mojo's official totals for Infinity Castle, the breakdown is roughly:
>North America
$133 million, 22%.
>Europe + LatAm combined
$75 to $90 million, 15%.
>Asia (Japan + rest)
$370 million, 63%.
>Everyone else
3%.
Even being generous, the West doesn't cross 35 to 40% and most reliable trackers place it closer to 25 to 30% of the total. That "$100M Europe + LatAm" figure sounds like a fanboy's aggregated rounding, not what's in industry databases like Comscore or Gower Street.
>>283680883
Those look impressive but you can't compare them in isolation without context. Broly released in fewer theaters and under limited screens (especially in Europe). And anime as a market grew after 2019, with more theaters now showing anime films. Infinity Castle benefited from that infrastructure. Also, despite those larger markets, Demon Slayer STILL didn't achieve theater saturation or audience spread of mainstream blockbusters. It earned more raw dollars, but it's not evidence of greater Western popularity, just more theaters and higher anime interest overall.
>>DB is more popular than DS in West.
Popularity =/= box office total. My point was never "Broly made more money." It was that Dragon Ball's audience is more evenly global and longer-lasting. Dragon Ball Super Broly made almost 50% of its revenue outside Asia, mainly from the US and LatAm. Super Hero did 44% domestic (US), which is unheard of for a Japanese anime. That's what global mainstream looks like: broad, sustained, cross-demographic appeal. Not just a one-off record in specific territories.

>>283671891 (OP)
I want to see either the Vamola flashback arc or the tabletop game arc as a movie.

>>283681313
>>283681339
You're getting really pressed. Last thread aboit China, I think I saw a couple of your posts getting nuked. So it seems like you are mostly just talking to yourself which is just sad.

>>283681349
>>North America
>$133 million, 22%.
>>Europe + LatAm combined
>$75 to $90 million, 15%.

So it's almost 40%, even on Mojo,and +40% on thenumbers

>>283671891 (OP)
The worst thing that has happened to modern anime

>>283681313
>>283681339
You're getting really pressed. Last thread you made about China, I think I saw a couple of your posts getting nuked. So it seems like you are mostly just talking to yourself which is just sad.

>>283681349
>$370 million, 63%.

And you're still using 80% for Asian countries...

>>283679329
better to get "drugged" than suffer from debilitating PTSD

>>283681168
He thinks he can change a definition of something and people will fall for his bullshit. Tried it with the MHA movies vs Hashira Training. Same retard that couldnt read a simple daily sales/total sales breakdown. Dont take any box office "knowledge" he says seriously, for he is a dishonest worm.

>>283681420
Take your meds dude. Half of /a/ knows about that passport incident.

>>283681480
His box office "knowledge" comes from chatGPT anyway.

>>283671891 (OP)
The only one there I've seen was the Reze movie, which I thought was great.

>>283677778
Christian puritans are some of the most diabolical, selfish scumbags I've had the displeasure of coming across. Literal no fun allowed police.

>>283681404
I use Box Office Mojo, because it uses Comscore data, which comes directly from exhibitors and studio reports. It's considered the industry standard used by Hollywood studios, trade sites and financial analysts who cover film revenue.

The Numbers aggregates from secondary or third party sources including distributor self-reports, local media, and sometimes user-submitted data. Shit, their totals often don't update consistently across all territories, includes outdated estimates and double-counts foreign totals when regional splits overlap. The Numbers can is useful for a quick overview, but Box Office Mojo is far more consistent and transparent for comparing regional percentages.
>>283681459
I mean, even if we go by The Numbers you like very much, it says:
>Japan: $239 million
>Asia (excluding Japan): $160 or 170 million, China pending
>Europe + LatAm + NA
$130 million
That yields it to 28 to 35% from the West and 65 to 70% from Asia, not "+40% from the West."

>>283681404
I use Box Office Mojo, because it uses Comscore data, which comes directly from exhibitors and studio reports. It's considered the industry standard used by Hollywood studios, trade sites and financial analysts who cover film revenue.

The Numbers aggregates from secondary or third party sources including distributor self-reports, local media, and sometimes user-submitted data. Shit, their totals often don't update consistently across all territories, includes outdated estimates and double-counts foreign totals when regional splits overlap. The Numbers can is useful for a quick overview, but Box Office Mojo is far more consistent and transparent for comparing regional percentages.
>>283681459
I mean, even if we go by The Numbers you like very much, it says:
>Japan: $239 million
>Asia (excluding Japan): $160 or 170 million, China pending
>Europe + LatAm + NA: $130 million
That yields it to 28 to 35% from the West and 65 to 70% from Asia, not "+40% from the West."
>>283681509
There sure is a lot of posts that got nuked in this thread. Hmm... Am I talking to a schizo?
https://desuarchive.org/a/thread/283555973/#q283563146

>>283681349
> Now using theater count as an excuse.

If DB is as mainstream as you claim, then why was it given such a limited theater release?
Your argument completely falls apart right there.
Naturally, distributors decide the number of theaters after thoroughly researching a title’s popularity and recognition in each country, so having fewer theaters simply means it wasn’t that popular to begin with.

And by your own logic, Super Hero, which was released after COVID, when the anime industry had already exploded in popularity, should’ve far outperformed Broly.
Yet the result was worse.
The reality is that even in today’s environment and infrastructure, Dragon Ball’s numbers wouldn’t improve, if anything, they’d probably drop further.

>>283681725
>I mean, even if we go by The Numbers you like very much, it says:
>Japan: $239 million
>Asia (excluding Japan): $160 or 170 million, China pending

170M + 239M/670 is still only ~60% for Asian countries, far from your 80% again.

>>283671891 (OP)
I like it.

>>283681725
You know, you can come up with all the excuses in the world, but it won't change the fact that Infinity Castle is by far the highest-grossing Japanese movie of all time by FAR.

>>283677351
Shonen “gore” is as shocking and realistic as front yard halloween decorations. The shiny blood and flying limbs are like pretty decorations for the character’s struggles.
Shonen violence is to violence what a misty silhouette of a girl in a hot spring is to sex.

KNY is incredibly family friendly for it’s wholesome/valued protag and subject matter that remains and ends in optimism, and only kisses the surface of realistically dark topics like prostitution in poverty.
It’s a series that’s honestly cute and comfy, sometimes sad but barely disturbing.

>>283677610
Actual gory and violent anime have never been classified as family friendly, and will shock people just as hard as hentai.

That said, a real genuine puritan parent probably wouldn’t let their kid watch shonen with it’s decorative violence and hot springs fanservice, just like they probably wouldn’t let them watch something that promotes magic

>>283681725
You know, you can come up with all the excuses in the world, but it won't change the fact that Infinity Castle is the highest-grossing Japanese movie of all time by FAR.

>>283672124
All three are for fujoshit enjoyers

>>283681725
Do you honestly believe a lolcow like you only has one person that makes fun of you?

>>283680883
Why no data in Germany?
Don't they like DB?

>>283681226
>There is no way you look at those kinds of numbers and can still sit there and say its only a loud fanbase.
Actually, there is a way. It's called context. Demon Slayer made $650M+ globally, right? Now ask: where did the bulk of that money come from? Over $250M from Japan alone. Another 150 to 200 million from East/SE Asia. China is about to release it, so maybe it adds another 20-30M. North America? Opened big, but fell off immediately (-75 drop). Europe & LATAM? Same as America, big opening then fell off and became invisible, like every anime movie. That's not global dominance, that's regional saturation. Japan and its neighbors are carrying the box office on its back. That's not what mainstream dominance looks like. Mainstream is:
>Zootopia that made $1 billion globally, evenly split across all regions
>Inside Out 2 making nearly $2 billion
>Spider-Verse that's dominant in US and overseas
>Anime is no longer niche.
That's partially true. It's no longer a fringe interest, but it's STILL not mainstream in the West, at least not consistently. Anime as a medium has more visibility than ever, but most anime IPs are still niche in the West. Chainsaw Man is big online, but still a subculture. Jujutsu Kaisen is huge in Japan, but the first movie collapsed hard in US theaters. Demon Slayer is very popular, but still mostly appeals to people already into anime.

Pokémon, Dragon Ball, Naruto, One Piece (recently, thanks to Netflix) are true pop culture staples. The rest are still just fandom-core.
>I cant throw a stone without someone mentioning one of the 3 in some capacity at work and my job is normalfag central
That's your bubble. Your workplace isn't a representative sample of the general population. If we judged popularity by local experience, then anything could be considered mainstream.

>>283681804
DB just isn’t something that can hold up to modern standards or appeal to today’s general audience.
Both the story and the fights are simply too childish and outdated.
The back-to-back failures of Super Hero and Daima make that pretty clear.

>>283682039
>China is about to release it, so maybe it adds another 20-30M.

Wait, you think it’s only going to make $20/30M in China when it already has $15M in pre-sales? You’re in for a big surprise, just like with your North America box office predictions

>>283682039
>Jujutsu Kaisen is huge in Japan, but the first movie collapsed hard in US theaters.
>Box office in US is bigger than Broly
>DB is mainstream and JJK is not

Does this dude even understand what is he speaking?

>>283681969
I believe you are severely mentally ill and that Hiromoot should have brought back the IP counter, yes.
>lolcow
Haven't heard that in a while. Don't tell me you're one of those autistic outcasts who actually browses Kiwifarms (if it still exists)...

>>283681804
Funny thing is that the reason why western theaters started being more accepting of anime movies is probably still DS with the Infinity Train movie.

>>283677676
Witnessing real sex or a rekt vid will leave a permanent mark on a child’s brain for sure, but the damage depends on the context and how they process it
>did the kid see violent sex? Degenerate sex? Was it repulsive/made them adverse to sexuality? Were they confused about the weird and undignified behaviour of the adults, shaking their perception of people and how they fit in with them? Will they become an obsessed pervert incapable of functioning well in their social life, or does it simply jumpstart their libido and they get early practice in harnessing and understanding it?
>Was the gore they witnessed an act of cruelty, necessity, or an accident? Did it make them inconsolably and existentially fearful, or did they develop a healthy awareness and caution of the dangers of life/other people?

I went to both showings of the fairly recent first wide scale showing of EoE in US theaters. Both times the person sitting on both sides of me had bought 3 seats so they wouldn't have to sit next to anyone

>>283681925
Still reliant on Asia, so it doesn't matter. Dragon Ball doesn't need Asia and didn't need them for decades, the same way Pokémon doesn't need Asia anymore and One Piece is also outgrowing its Asian audiences. Demon Slayer needs Asia like its oxygen.

>>283682194
The explosion of anime’s global popularity after COVID really started with Mugen Train’s success in the West, followed by JJK 0.
Both films made around $100 million outside Japan, small compared to Infinity Castle, sure, but at the time, that was an incredible milestone for anime films.

>>283682235
And that still generated over $250M outside Asian countries, better than any Dragon Ball movies

>>283682235
Why do you come to that conclusion when KnY’s box office revenue in the West is clearly far higher than DB’s?

>>283682235
Now, comparing country by country, KnY is ahead almost everywhere, in Asia, Europe, and America.

>>283677773
GIWTWM

>>283682394
Are there even any countries where a DB movie, whether Broly or Super Hero, actually outperformed Infinity Castle?
The only place I can think of is China, where Infinity Castle hasn’t been released yet.

>>283681804
Fewer theaters = less popular is NOT how theatrical strategy works and they're NOT a pure reflection of popularity. Distributors decide scope based on expected audience behavior and demographics, and anime films are typically event-based releases. Even when the property is huge like Demon Slayer, they don't behave like mainstream films such as Zootopia. Theaters are chosen strategically to match that audience demand: fewer theaters, higher occupancy. This leads to solid per-screen averages rather than wasted screens.

Dragon Ball Super Broly opened in just 1,238 theaters but still grossed $9.8M opening weekend in NA which is higher than many mainstream hits that same week. If it had been expanded wider, the per-screen average would have dropped which is why distributors don't just go wider = better.
>And by your own logic, Super Hero, which was released after COVID, when the anime industry had already exploded in popularity, should’ve far outperformed Broly.
Super Hero earned less than Broly for different reasons. The change in animation style (CGI over 2D) caused division among fans and Super Hero wasn't really marketed either, so it was lacking visibility. And really, it's just a matter of poor timing. Summer 2022 theater attendance was still recovering.
>>283682355
If you could read, you'd see I never said Broly > DS in every market. It was that Dragon Ball has a balanced global footprint, while Demon Slayer's is HEAVILY Asia-centric. Look at the breakdowns from Box Office Mojo.
>DS: 22% domestic (US), 77% international, with most of that from Asia
>Super Hero: 44% domestic (US), 56% international.
That's nearly a 1:1 ratio, showing DB resonates evenly across continents something no other anime franchise has managed. Dragon Ball is one of the few anime IPs with truly global mainstream penetration. Pokémon is another one of them, as well as Naruto (Oda said once Naruto is more popular in the US than Japan) and recently, One Piece (thanks Netflix).

>>283682535
Nah
Even in regions where Dragon Ball is supposedly most popular, like the Arab world and South America, Infinity Castle completely dominates by a huge margin.

>>283682189
>3inch J calling anyone mentally ill
Ironic

>>283671891 (OP)

Can´t say i care about it to be honest. I guess i prefer the good old times when anime movies looked like this.

Demon Slayer seems to trigger specific people

So Jeremy is now stalking anime movie threads, not just Kimetsu anymore?

I'm honestly hoping he lives to see the final 3rd movie and keeps coping how Kimetsu isn't mainstream because of "muh sales" , "muh cultural value" or whatever.

>>283682039
Spoken like someone that really doesnt get outside and only judges via twitter and movie numbers. If I live in a bubble because I actually see this shit in real time amongst people that cant even tell the difference between Japan and China half the time then your living in a cryopod.

>>283679448
there's also Spy x Family. it's probably the most shilled franchise since you can see merch of it almost everywhere

>>283682876
The more Jeremy open his mouth, the more popularity Kimetsu would gain

>>283682610
>If you could read, you'd see I never said Broly > DS in every market.

What I'm saying is DS>>>Broly in EVERY FUCKING MARKET.

In every observable market, Infinity Castle utterly crushed both Broly and Super Hero, that’s an undeniable fact.
Sure, if you dig deep enough, maybe there’s some tiny poor country somewhere where Broly made slightly more than Infinity Castle (though I seriously doubt it), but no one has the time or reason to waste researching something that trivial.
What’s certain is that whether it’s Japan, the rest of Asia, or the West, Infinity Castle completely outperformed DB, and no amount of cope or verbal gymnastics on your part can change that reality.

>>283682092
I dunno. I'm not Chinese, so I don't know how the Chinese audiences are going to react. But from what I've seen, it's going to be very frontloaded and almost entirely fan-driven too. Zootopia 2 is just 6 days away from it, and I have a feeling it's going to hurt its legs a lot. Slam Dunk and Suzume were hits because despite having relatively low presale numbers they stayed strong for weeks, because they appealed to broader audiences and had room to breathe.

I say most anime fans will rush in opening day/weekend, but after that? It's all about legs and casual reach.

>>283682898
That's not an argument. That's just you making a kneejerk reaction because despite the money it rakes in, it's still very reliant on Asia. Dragon Ball doesn't need Asia, Pokémon doesn't need Asia, Naruto doesn't need Asia and now, One Piece doesn't need them anymore either. Demon Slayer's performance hinges entirely on Asia.

>>283682906
Planet Earth will be renamed into Planet Kimetsu after Jeremy dies of old age

>>283682189
IP counters wouldnt help you anyway. Luckily you are so easy to spot we dont need them.

>>283682210
Or that child could grow up and create one of the best games based partially on that trauma.

>>283683029
I mean, the same can be said about your autism. And you're easy to give away because I can just look up the archives and see how many posts got nuked. You're more pressed about this than I am.

>>283682909
I’m a Dragon Ball fan myself, but comparing Broly to Infinity Castle is ridiculous, they’re not even in the same league, and I fully understand that.
Dragon Ball peaked over 30 years ago, and honestly, the franchise should’ve ended long before now.

>>283682989
>KNY become a global phenomenon
>Sequels starring Sumihito, spinoff, etc. A Multi billion dollar franchise
>Gotouge becomes the most influential person in the world beating Jesus Christ
>Tanjiro becomes a global icon on par with Batman and Superman
All because J didn't want to shut his mouth

>>283682876
Being a mainstream anime isnt even something proud to gloat about unless you're a sales fag. I wish KnY wasnt as popular as it is sometimes because of the insufferable normalfags and tiktok rotted zoomers that latched onto it.

>>283682909
DS is newer, released in more theaters, in a much stronger anime distribution climate, with broader release partnerships. That naturally means bigger raw totals. That doesn't mean it's more mainstream or globally dominant than DB. It just means it had more screens per country, higher ticket prices post-inflation and FAR greater infrastructure and marketing reach in 2025 than anime had in 2019.

Point is, I'm comparing reach and demographic depth, not absolute grosses. If Broly came out today with the same push, it would almost certainly earn more than its 2019 total because the market for anime in theaters is larger now.
>In every observable market, Infinity Castle utterly crushed both Broly and Super Hero, that’s an undeniable fact.
That's not really a good argument. Even if you look at countries one by one, Demon Slayer's numbers look stronger ONLY because it was in two to four times as many theaters. When you adjust for screen density, release window, and inflation, the difference shrinks massively. DB's per-theater averages were often higher, showing strong demand relative to reach.
>What’s certain is that whether it’s Japan, the rest of Asia, or the West, Infinity Castle completely outperformed DB
Not really. Dragon Ball is a 40-year-old IP that continues to sell games, merch, manga, and films globally. Its theatrical revenue is just one piece of its ecosystem. Even now, Western audiences instantly recognize Goku far more than Tanjiro. That's why I keep emphasizing mainstream longevity rather than one film’s spike. Also, if you really want to be that guy who uses sales as any metric for longevity and global dominance, then I can just easily bring up how a single Dragon Ball mobile game made more money than every single Demon Slayer content. That is, anime, manga, merch, movies, you name it. Dokkan Battle also makes most of its money outside of Asia.

>>283682876
>Kimetsu isn't mainstream
Seeing as how most of its money is still coming from Asia (with China stepping in), and the West just barely making up 22% of its total gross, yeah, it isn't. Not in the way Dragon Ball, Pokémon, Naruto or One Piece are. I think the closest a modern anime has gotten to their level is (sadly) Attack on Titan. Demon Slayer is more of a regional phenomenon.

>>283682943
>Thats not an argument
You're right it isnt. Its an observation of someone trying to pass judgment based on limited exposure and hyperfocusing on one aspect (money)because they are detached from reality.

>>283682876
Who the fuck is Jeremy?

>Anons are honest to god arguing that Demon Slayer isnt mainstream
That shit is the most mainstream shounen slop in the current anime sphere at the moment. Are you all high?

>>283683371
Dude, this is about film performance. Money is literally the point. That's like saying people can't judge an athlete based on stats, and they're hyperfocusing on numbers. You basically go:
>I see Tanjiro cosplays at Walmart, therefore Demon Slayer is mainstream
Which is like saying
>I saw a Harley Quinn costume at Spirit Halloween, therefore DC movies are all critically acclaimed
Nah. Anecdotes =/= market penetration.
Personal experiences =/= data trends.
And 'I see it everywhere' is the most tired, unprovable take on the internet.
>>283683523
That's true. Within anime circles, Demon Slayer is
>ubiquitous
>wildly popular
>dominating merch and cosplay
>pulling huge numbers in Japan and Asia
>the current "entry point" shounen for a lot of new fans
So "the most mainstream shounen slop in the current anime sphere" is true. If you're already into anime, Demon Slayer is inescapable. It's like the Fortnite of shounen right now. Very accessible, flashy, mass appeal.

BUT, you're assuming anime mainstream = global mainstream. I'd just be brutally honest and say Demon Slayer is anime-famous, not world-famous. There's a difference between being big in a niche, and breaking out of the niche entirely. Real mainstream looks like
>Dragon Ball
Goku's face is known by people who've never watched anime.
>Pokémon
Your grandma knows Pikachu.
>Naruto
Area 51 memes.
>One Piece (now)
The Netflix LA gave it insane Western exposure. Netflix did more justice for One Piece than the anime ever did.
>Studio Ghibli
Wins Oscars, gets taught in film schools, crosses cultural borders.

And then there's Demon Slayer who's...
>barely a blip in Western casual circles outside anime fans
>75%+ of revenue is STILL from Asia
>Zero crossover into Hollywood, fashion, global brand deals, etc
>No casual audience pull, if you haven’t seen the anime, the movie makes zero sense unlike Ghibli films

>>283672124
So you are saying they covered multiple audiences allowing them to coexist at box office without canibalizing each other?

>>283671942
>>283671891 (OP)

Can’t beat Avatar

>>283683721
>zero crossover into fashion, global brand deals etc
Its had all of that and more have you been living under a rock?

>>283679810
I gotta admit. I'm a little bit jelous of normies ability to consume mid shonen. Shit like dragon ball, one piece, naruto, bleach, gintama etc. One thing they all have in common is chapter count and decades of constant stream of animation/content - characters you love will always be there. Something you can't say about JJK, SnK, CSM - stories that try to be impactful to the best of their abilities which comes with a much shorter run

>>283677875
What a weird interpretation

>>283681563
"Stop watching porn" is not diabolical

>>283677778
You should know they were also talking about violence

>>283671891 (OP)
This really isn't that noteworthy.
Ultimately the only big change of this era is that anime original films are no longer as popular as they once were, which is likely to do with the greater accessibility of original materials and reverence for them increasing in turn.
That and the Jujutsu Kaisen one is just a TV promo as far as I'm aware, which isn't that different from compilation films of the 80s. Hell, Ashita no Joe 2's ending was first shown as a film before it even aired on TV.

>>283689269
And since some retard might misread this, "anime movies" also aren't dead. This year has quite a few, both adaptation (non-sequel) and original.
Virgin Punk, MAKE A GIRL, Rose of Versailles, Project Sekai, the Fujimoto Short Film collection, 100M, the new Lupin and Conan, and there's already a few set up for next year, like All You Need Is Kill.

>>283671891 (OP)
>BL coded movie
>Incel movie
>BL
You tell me how you feel about this

>>283671891 (OP)
Reze is so pretty...

>>283689726
I get Jjk but Kny?

>>283690333
NTA but the author pretty much write all the tropes fujos love, it's one of the main reasons it's popular

>>283690375
And those tropes are…?

>>283690409
Top and Bottom stereotypical dynamics from Tomioko and Tanjiro for example, it's probably the most popular ship from the series

>>283689726
>>Incel movie
along with Dan da dan they are the two anime shounen anime that are unusually romance focused. why would you call them incel themed?

>>283690746
Stereotypical incel wish fulfillment, Rent a Girlfriend is a romance, CSM is not.

>>283677778
It is to children, that should be obvious. Funny enough both ends the of political horseshoe have equally retarded approaches to sex ed. Conservative puritans don't want anything taught at all while degen progressives want to graphically show penises entering vaginas to 5 year olds.

>>283690819
>Stereotypical incel wish fulfillment
lol that's a weird way of thinking. if i had to guess i'd call JJK incel focused because it's the typical pure hot headed battle shounen with zero romantic interest. on the other hand Denji was always outspoken about being woman focused.

>>283677822
Dragonball, Naruto, and One Piece are only culturally relevant because there's a hugge cohort of oldfags who are nostalgic and still talk about them but don't actually consume or buy shit from those series anymore. The new gen like Demon Slayer, CSM, and JJK don't have 3 decades of past fans and yet are still outselling the former titles. Pokemon's a different case since the games are still selling like hotcakes and the merchandising is also still going as strong as ever, even if the anime side of the franchise isn't as strong right now.

>>283690974

I think Dragonball's high game sales show the audience is there (10 million+ game sales, which no other anime based game comes anywhere close to). The problem is more about how Toriyama wanted something very different from the audience, which limited the appeal of the new movies.

too much fujobait

>>283672124
>Bland safe generic shonen that is lazy as you can get
>KINO
>Generic shonen that actually tries
Fixed for you

Is this how cinemas are trying to save themselves after the chink virus?

>>283691770
i just reserve a seat for CSM tomorrow. it's 80% full. it's been playing for more than 2 weeks now.

>>283687709
Anime and porn go hand in hand, it all just proves Christian puritans are the biggest tourists in the community.
>>283679361
Can't even spell history correctly. If you think the bible is a history book, you're mentally ill. No ifs or buts.

>>283677351
Nips have a strange and very different standard to define what's for kids and what isn't, OP is also seen as a kids show there.

>>283683721
The only ones in that list that qualify as "real mainstream" outside of anime are Pokémon and ghibli and Pokémon is hardly thought of as an anime property.