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>>8831776
Post photorealistic images here:
>>>/aco/asdg
Post all futa/femboy/trans images here
>>>/aco/futasdg/

>Pick one and install Stable Diffusion
https://github.com/lllyasviel/stable-diffusion-webui-forge?tab=readme-ov-file#installing-forge
https://github.com/comfyanonymous/ComfyUI?tab=readme-ov-file#installing

>ILLUSTRIOUS, base model and guides:
https://civitai.com/models/795765/illustrious-xl
>Artist tags for IL
https://civitai.com/articles/9309/artists-for-illustrious-xl
>IL prompting
https://civitai.com/articles/8380/tips-for-illustrious-xl-prompting-updates

>PONY and derivatives:
https://civitai.com/models/257749/pony-diffusion-v6-xl
>PONY built-in characters
https://ponychar.com/

>Optional extensions
https://github.com/DominikDoom/a1111-sd-webui-tagcomplete
https://github.com/hako-mikan/sd-webui-regional-prompter
https://github.com/Mikubill/sd-webui-controlnet
https://github.com/Haoming02/sd-forge-couple
ComfyUI only:
https://github.com/ltdrdata/ComfyUI-Manager

>Paint with Krita & SD
https://github.com/Acly/krita-ai-diffusion

>IS MY GPU GOOD ENOUGH?
https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/gpus/stable-diffusion-benchmarks

>Related threads
>>>/h/hdg
>>>/e/edg
>>>/d/ddg
>>>/u/udg
>>>/g/ldg
>>>/trash/slop
>>>/trash/sdg
>>>/vg/aids
>>>/vt/vtai
>>>/y/airt

>>8843805
Puffy Nubbins!

Fresh off the press a few days ago.

>>8844324
kek it's so goofy

>>8843521
Fuck yeah, I love his robot art, would love to see more of it.

>>8844327
I know right? I got the prompts from anothers catbox and just changed the chars a few times, this was the best out of like, 20 generated, the rest were much worse.

>>8844048
Puffy Nubbins and the Halter-Top Hotties was my favorite show growing up!

>>8843801
>>8843809
>>8844324
>cartoons

>>8843792 (OP)
Heh, one of my gens got used as the OP image!

>>8844656
>autism

>>8844895
Fucking hell. Post more of this red freckled farm girl. I'm weak to them and goths with straight bangs covering their eyes.

Goth Peridot set [1/3]
https://files.catbox.moe/9rs36c.png
https://files.catbox.moe/i36nn6.png
https://files.catbox.moe/polsoi.png
https://files.catbox.moe/3faq7h.png
https://files.catbox.moe/u5cmie.png
https://files.catbox.moe/uszvyg.png

>>8845066
[2/3]
https://files.catbox.moe/lsecsh.png
https://files.catbox.moe/ggywxj.png
https://files.catbox.moe/kclxo4.png
https://files.catbox.moe/zo56iv.png
https://files.catbox.moe/njup7w.png
https://files.catbox.moe/vdu2xv.png

>>8845068
[3/3]
https://files.catbox.moe/yfmfls.png
https://files.catbox.moe/p4082j.png
https://files.catbox.moe/zlo2qk.png
https://files.catbox.moe/iynk1u.png
https://files.catbox.moe/hf46c1.png
https://files.catbox.moe/rxcsxs.png

>>8845063
experimented with a lot of different checkpoints

Requesting Epilogue Vee buttjob.

Requesting this spam >>8845111 to be dealt with.

https://desuarchive.org/_/search/boards/aco.desu/filename/Epilogue%20Vee.png/

>>8844656
kim possible is a cartoon character at least

Beach Fun w/ Peridot
https://files.catbox.moe/y1ak58.jpg
https://files.catbox.moe/c7l61d.jpg
https://files.catbox.moe/itir57.jpg
https://files.catbox.moe/i0tgau.jpg
https://files.catbox.moe/vzj0el.jpg
https://files.catbox.moe/p64gzx.jpg
https://files.catbox.moe/3tq7ri.jpg
https://files.catbox.moe/arhtku.jpg

>>8843803
Plz prompt plz pretty plz and models

Prompting ideas for Wonder Woman here being naked in Hawaii

>>8844656
top to bottom
>6 fingers
>shit /b/ tier gen
>2.5D garbage from 2023
>breasts turn 3D, malformed penis
>barely 1girl standing, fried
>dogshit civitAI 2.5d image
>broken fingers, necklace backwards

being worm food would be more productive OP

People post decent gens sometimes and this blind retard scoops someone else's diarrhea to shows it to everyone.

Goth Pearl and her lewd armpits.

>>8845550

>>8845551

Goth Pearl and her Expanding Boobers
https://files.catbox.moe/hveq2a.png
https://files.catbox.moe/ro3ld0.png
https://files.catbox.moe/asv65a.png
https://files.catbox.moe/1c3zxw.png
https://files.catbox.moe/4lgnwj.png
https://files.catbox.moe/9hrezs.png

>>8845996

Awwww, she's so determined, it's cute.

>>8845996

>>8846001

Yeah, work that core, slut.

>>8846001
I don't know how to get the style to remain consistent wanted it to look more like the show's style.

>>8846010

Well, I'm glad it didn't work, because that show's style is extremely visually unappealing.

Nails on a chalkboard for the eyes.

>>8846010

>>8846026
homo. and RIP John Redcorn.

>>8846038

Hey, that's a pretty good GIF right ther, but I stand by mah stance. Gawd dammit, anon.

>>8846038

And RIP indeed. Deeply fucked up.

>>8846032

>>8846117
Nudist beach?

>>8846117
>>8846118

Nudist beach.

>>8846120
Do one with different versions of Diana/Wonder Woman and Killer Frost

>>8846126

Alright, I'll see what I can do.

>>8846126

Like this?

>>8846126

>>8846132
>>8846143
>>8846147
Think you were referring to this
>>8846035

>>8846151

I completely misread that...

Le oops.

Well, anyways...

>>8846120

>>8846163
Do all the different Dianas like from the DCAU, 2009 movie, Apocalypse and Young Justice being members of Nudist Beach

>>8845063
>>8843792 (OP)
>>8843803
Sweet stuff!

>>8845070
reminds me of this artist who does this red-head or auburn haired gal but she's kinda monkeyfaced with huge boobs. Can't remember his name offhand.

>>8846208
nikcesco? Yeah that's who I trained one of the lora I used on. It's a mix of that, a lukex8 lora and an andava one.

bloopers time

>Police soon discovered they couldn't beat information out of orc maids, who kept begging the officers for dates afterward

>The My Life Me 2025 reboot ends with Birch being humiliated on Twitch

how do i use a lora in forge? like, what do i do? i clicked on it and it added its name in a <> bracketed tag, but it didn't do shit for the gens it's purposed towards

>>8846497
I think you're supposed to add lora strength inside those brackets, like this <Anon'sTentacleBonanza_lora:1.0>

>>8846509
it already started with name:1> at the end, is it possible that my checkpoint and lora just aren't matching up or something?

>>8846512
Sometimes loras have specific trigger words besides the <loraname:[strength]> part. If you didn't manually save that information, there's a lora metadata viewer here that you can try:

https://xypher7.github.io/lora-metadata-viewer/

>>8846522
thanks, i'll check if it's that,, but i wonder why nothing was mentioned by the author if that's the case

>>8846117
>>8846120
>>8846163
Needs Jessica Cruz and Tatsu Yamashiro as members next

>>8846526
You could also be right about the checkpoint, sometimes it leans hard towards a specific look.

Dr. Priyanka Maheswaran, improved via gothification.
https://files.catbox.moe/tmyyqt.png
https://files.catbox.moe/le0zea.png
https://files.catbox.moe/zwb03v.png
https://files.catbox.moe/l3h47y.png
https://files.catbox.moe/82nf03.png
https://files.catbox.moe/g5c4wu.png

>>8845070
10/10 would inseminate and marry and become a farmer for her. I'd be plowing her fields every day of every season until my seed runs dry.

>>8846739
The system assumes I'm spamming by linking to catbox.
https://imgur.com/a/begothed-priyanka-maheswaran-zvxvuIh

>>8846758
So... I'm posting the previews and a link to an Imgur gallery.

>>8846763
Last image that didn't really fit in the 2x6 image joiner.
So who should be next before the gothification ray?

>>8846770
Yeah, you have to stick with one resolution or an odd number with a compatible ratio.

>>8846770
Wound up generating some specific fetish material as well.
https://files.catbox.moe/2lehwv.png
https://files.catbox.moe/tj3cy8.png
https://files.catbox.moe/vfid4v.png
https://files.catbox.moe/ykvpl3.png
https://files.catbox.moe/7ijybf.png

>>8846872
Weirdly enough, I've had more difficulty generating stuff like this with Concept LoRAs than just turning the creativity up and describing the act.
https://files.catbox.moe/50wnxa.png
https://files.catbox.moe/043tf9.png

>>8846875
That'll be it for now.
https://files.catbox.moe/07cmkn.png
https://files.catbox.moe/10v2rk.png
https://files.catbox.moe/7jzcwp.png

>>8846872
>>8846875
>>8846879
I appreciate your dedication

>>8846927
Generated some Goth Lapis Lazuli, too.
https://files.catbox.moe/6kl8gh.png
https://files.catbox.moe/j1jqds.png
https://files.catbox.moe/jexvi3.png
https://files.catbox.moe/f2zqan.png
https://files.catbox.moe/atlqja.png
https://files.catbox.moe/c93d0k.png

>>8846977
https://files.catbox.moe/svxk9l.png
https://files.catbox.moe/c7wcew.png
https://files.catbox.moe/4bi202.png
https://files.catbox.moe/nfw3k5.png
https://files.catbox.moe/fy60l8.png
https://files.catbox.moe/6k3kgw.png

>>8846977
>>8846979
Nice

Miscellaneous gens, starting with Peridot and her lewd feet.

>>8847128

>>8847129

>>8847141

>>8847201

>>8846381
>nikcesco
Yes! That's the guy I was thinking of.

>>8843792 (OP)
This but aged up Golden Girl.

>>8846988
>big bellies
Nice. More like this please.

>>8846193
>>8846593
anyone?

>>8848377
Come back in a few years when we all have supercomputers.

>>8848377

Yeah, no one has time for that. You can go and do it yourself at civatai if you really want all that.

>>8849175

>>8843792 (OP)
Yikes.
>>8849175
How does it feel being the last of the decent semiregular posters?

>>8849369

Sad and lonely.

I'll do the thing before bed.
>i guess its good that monty designed all of the outfits with pouches

>where the fuck is that damned vampire

>>8849479
>better fingers
>now the bed is tiny

>>8846403

>The following generation of police officers are all half-orcs.

Makes sense.

Any easy way to turn clean sketches into solid lineart with Stable Diffusion for a AI retard?

>>8849922
Krita has a "first party" plugin
>krita.org/en/posts/2025/fsc-plugin-new-version/
You can also try an SD Controlnet model, like one for lineart.

Or you can try an online AI service that lets you upload images if the drawing is SFW.

>>8849257

>>8850589

>>8846398
If you have a gen with a torso that i could put in there I can fix it for you easily

Does anyone have the hookup for a good Andava/Lilandy LoRA? The ones on civitai are total shit.

>>8850747
>The ones on civitai are total shit
You could just say you're useless at remixing the images you found there

>>8850767
What? The images I've seen of people using the LoRAs posted on there aren't good. It's not a prompt issue, it's a training issue, which is why I'm asking here if anyone has a better option. Asshole.

>>8849175
The earrings are a great touch

first time trying ai with some h-characters, can anyone share some tips on getting traning the ai to prompt an identical model?

>>8851468
Same seed, settings, lora(s), checkpoint model.
And of course same prompts as in the original.

>>8851472
yea i messaged the creator of the orignal and he wasn't intressed in sharing that info, other then he uses Stable diffusion and trains his own model. I won't push the issue further with them.

>>8851484
On civitai, you can filter images to "metadata only", browse to find images you like, and copy the prompts for your own testing. You're going to have to do a lot of experimentation, hope your gens are nice and speedy

This is the most on model result I managed to get without immediately falling in the uncanny "this looks so AI made it hurts" valley that looms over all LORAs for shows with flat colors and thick outlines.

>>8851777
Japanese users liked using and made slider LoRAs for style control, but that was before NoobAI and all the new XL model variants.

>>8851777
When Civitai does something well I spend the buzz to upscale it. Not telling you what to do, just what I do.

>>8851935
gorgeous

>>8843792 (OP)
quick one on bing
closest i could get to daisy, they fucked the dress and who is this albino faggot on the left

>>8851935
can i ask for a prompt or model?

>>8843792 (OP)
homina homina homina homina homina homina homina homina...

>>8851468
"trains his own model" yeah I bet. But you can go to civitai, and search up Jackerman and find a few good options.

>>8852392
Prompt, model, loras and workflow are all in the metadatas for both pics.

>>8852602
4chan strips the metadata of everything uploaded.

>>8852626
Did you look? Its all there. Its stored in the alpha channel that 4chan doesn't touch.

>>8852630
do you just copy all the text into a prompt generator?

>>8852640
Sort of. I'm using a multistep workflow in comfyui so getting the exact same pic wont be possible if you're going to try on an online generator. If you're using the same checkpoint and loras you should get a similar pic when you copy paste the positive and negative prompts in there. If you want the exact pic then you'll copy the workflow, seed, hiresfix, facedetailer etc too.

Note, I have two positive prompts and one negative prompt. You can combine both positives into one if your using something that doesn't allow multiple and it shouldn't hurt it.

>>8852630
>>8852626
I think he means the .jpg files strips the metadata when posting the image

>>8852323
Thats still pretty decent for a natural language generator with no regional prompting or inpaint. I think the person in white is some really mangled attempt at Princess Boo from that princess crown meme a few years ago.

>>8851935
Requesting nude edit.

>>8852865
>>8852876
*saluting fellow footfag*

>>8852443

Hey guys, get this; Illustrious, without having to get too crazy with the prompting, generates some pretty good scenes of dolphins fucking human women.

Crazy.

>>8853151

Oof, holy shit, that's brutal.

>>8853154
i'm not genning dolphin porn for you anon

>>8853154 >>8853157
I wouldn't mind, I just don't believe it generates "some pretty good scenes".

>>8852663
>>8852630
>>8852626
There is an extension that you can install from github that lets you store the info in the alpha channel instead of the metadata channel so that sites like 4chan don't lose the gen data.... but you need the plugin/addon to read said data. Don't have a link to it offhand though, sorry.

It should really be in the OP post for people to use

>>8853083
You can have a nude I make in the same batch. I cba right now to open that one and redo it.

>>8853208
Its the catbox extension for violent/tampermonkey that lets you right click the download file button to view metadata if stored

https://catbox.moe/tools.php

My impression of Chroma is that you need to write a short essay for your prompt or it does whatever. Sometimes it spits out Dali eldritch horror.
I was impressed by how natural expressions looked in some 2D images.

>>8853154

>>8853267
No it's this. Took me some time to find the link.
https://github.com/neggles/sd-webui-stealth-pnginfo

>>8853591
Also if that anon is embedding stuff in the alpha channel this isn't what this one does it seems. it embeds it in the pixels themselves supposedly, but I don't see why it doesn't work with jpgs and only pngs and possibly webms.

>>8853591
Yeah thats to embed it into the image, comfyui has its own node for that as well. The tool I posted was to view the embedded data from within 4chan.

>>8853596
jpgs dont support transparency, so they dont have an alpha channel to write to.

>>8853603
could you even get any prompt information from a jpg?

How are you meant to use inpaint? I've been mucking about with Juggernaut and Pony for a few weeks and I can kinda get some results I like, but if I use inpaint to try and change some specific parts then the replaced section just looks terrible always with no exceptions?

>>8854091
Are you using local or what?

>>8853146
hominattractive

>>8853275
damn, it's smart too

>>8853275
More info on this Chroma?

>>8854103
I think so yeah, Comfy was giving me a bit of grief so I'm using Forge.

>>8854215
Just use the Krita plugin if you want to inpaint.
A web browser interface is not a sane choice for stuff like this.

>>8853994
Yeah you can, you just cant hide it in the alpha channel. Which means that if you want to bypass 4chan's stripping you'd need to upload the pic to an image hosting site like catbox and then link it here.

>>8854269
Can you let me know what prompt info you see in this jpg:
https://files.catbox.moe/jevbhf.jpg

>>8854442
There is none. If you're trying to still demystify >>8851468, then its not gonna be that easy. Besides 4chan stripping away metadata. You can just as easily remove metadata by running the pic through photoshop for touch ups, saving as a copy, changing image formats, some other online image hosts will remove it on upload etc.

You would need the original unaltered pic in any instance to scan for a chance at finding prompt info.

>>8854442
If you find another pic and want to see if there is any prompt info hanging around in there. There are free online websites you can use to scan for it

https://www.metadata2go.com/

>>8854442
I don't know if you're lazy and want someone to do all the work for you or if you just don't grasp thinking things through and trying to figure it out with what things people have said or what.

You're trying to get a prompt for Jackerman's style, specifically his character Jenny? People have mentioned it's probably a Jackerman lora. Have you even searched for something like "civitai jackerman"? No you haven't.

Here are the results of that search....
https://civitai.com/search/models?query=Jackerman%203D%20Artstyle which shows a blank page but if you put "Jackerman 3D Artstyle" in the model search box you get a dozen different loras/checkpoints in his style, including at least 2 of Jenny.

The other search hit was a Jenny Jackerman lora, which is in the above list. https://civitai.com/models/625354/jenny-jackerman

You can now look at all the images generated and get the metadata from all the ones that have it and you can even remix the images to change them a bit on civitai's website.

I hope you've learned how to make a fire.

Some good old milf.

https://files.catbox.moe/hqez5j.png
https://files.catbox.moe/v5uvye.png
https://files.catbox.moe/nw1et7.png

Any tips for this effect anons?

>>8855243
I need to taste Angie's KWAH-SOHH

>>8851468
>certainly a consistent likeness can be achieved through prompts alone!
You can't even describe styles that way.

Wendy moms has it going on.
https://files.catbox.moe/4cy22d.png
https://files.catbox.moe/wni1oh.png
https://files.catbox.moe/33v08x.png
https://files.catbox.moe/hlncab.png

>>8856435
Those look good, but the 2nd image door knob is the reason I shove "simple background" everywhere.
>>8856300
The John Redcorn thing is so bad it might've temporarily ruined the show for me.

>>8855476
> spread_pussy_under_clothes
optionally anything else that might work
> partially_visible_vulva

>>8856435
I like these a lot.

>>8856435
Very nice and tasteful.
May we now have some smut?

>>8856435
Any chance of some full frontal nudity of her too?

>>8857686
Okay, thanks.

>>8857686
Ok, can it do multiple specific anime characters in outfits that aren't their usual ones?

>>8857744
it's possible. it loves adding clones though

>>8857776
>stupid bitches blocking off the entire street
just asking for someone's grandparent to throw a bucket of water at them

Turns out the secret to getting both detail and artstyle adherence on CivitAI is to img2img the first good result in multiple extremely zoomed in squares to then compose the image in Photoshop.

>>8857776
It doesn't know Cortana. It's over.

>>8846709
>>8846741
been looking for a lewd Asoka for a while, could you please cat a box? love the yields

>>8857944

>>8857944
>>8858158
Oops, I meant to reply that tiled upscaling or inpainting works to overcome XL's bad resolution detail limit.
Depending on the prompt subject, even going up to 1024*1.5 or slightly higher as base res can work, but it's slower/more expensive.

>>8856435
>>8857020
I do as well, that's why I over obsessed.

>>8857079
Not really into hard smut. I do a little nudity here and there, but I do some /ss/ that you might catch on /b/

>>8857433
Might do more nudity.

>>8858478

>>8858480

>>8858481

>>8858521
>>8858521

https://files.catbox.moe/9826wy.png
https://files.catbox.moe/63hl86.png
https://files.catbox.moe/xitu32.png

>>8858530
OR here, these are so good! She's really got it going on now!

>>8858644
if memory serves me well Klingons are supposed to have two cocks, so the picture tells a story

last one, AI approved ending for that one episode with the pancake explosion.

>>8859558

Really fun and cute. Just never been a fan of over exaggerated long dicks.

>>8859648
who doesn't love a good needle dick?

>>8859558
>>8857944
Any chance for requesting some lewds between Marco x Janna?

>>8843792 (OP)
Will this be the best Stable Diffusion posted on 4chan today again?

>>8859648
what if I compressed its volume? or fully expanded it?

>>8860344
I can try but there's no Janna LORA for Illustrious, let alone a Marco-Janna one, so it's probably not going to look nearly as much on model nor have complex poses

>>8860344
this is the best I could get, very barebone but getting both characters without their designs missing was challenging

>>8860420

The super long one its just too funny.

>>8860725
All things considering, it came out pretty nice.

>>8861508

>>8861508
>tanlines
Azula would never tarnish her perfect skin like that.

>>8861587

Zuzu didn't want to put sunscreen on her.

>>8861608
that's why she has Ty Lee

So where are the celeb loras for xl/pony after the civit purge?

>>8862278
would look here probably https://civitaiarchive.com/

Thread needs more cum farts.

>>8857944
>This would be a $100 commission two years ago.
What crazy times we live in.

>Generate character 1 kissing random person
>Generate character 2 kissing random person
>Cut out the random people and assemble the two characters in photoshop/clip studio paint and make it look how I want it compositionally
>Feed that image into img2img with the relevant prompt for both characters
>Set denoise to such a level that it will smooth out the photoshop cuts and make it look more natural
>Profit
Is this something that could work in theory, or have you guys tried it and been disappointed?

>>8862280
>https://civitaiarchive.com/
Their main source if Civitai api, and it's all down

>>8862280
That place doesn't back up loras/models it only links to them on civitai so if they're gone from there you won't find them on that archive to download. it's almost useless as an "archive" site.

>>8862430
>>8862475
what the fuck does this even exist then? What's the point

>>8862476
Dunno. Personally I think it's pretty stupid that it wasn't scraping civitia and saving the models off itself. Way back near the start of stable diffusion there was a discord where someone had been scraping models that were being purged and you could download them there but that was years ago, so no idea what the address was or if it even exists anymore.

Huggingface is probably a good try and i think some of the models on that archive site may have a link to there. Otherwise you may be able to find some of them on tensorart.

>>8862479
It's stupid, but you'd need an enormous amount of storage.

>>8862413
I do it all the time since I have to use CivitAI which means no regional prompting. Takes a bit of tinkering and, often, some Photoshopping to combine multiple results taking the best parts, but it works™

>>8860725
>Janna LORA for Illustrious
criminal, thanks for generating that one dude!

>>8861208
prompt?

>>8861508
a better fanfic than korra

>>8843796
What model outputs pussies like that?

>>8863435
The Behind the dunes LoRA on regular Pony V6 is my guess.

Some other /aco/ thread is posting hardcore centaur and dolphin porn. What are the rules in the bedlam?

I thought this anon was baiting >>8853154

>>8864298

T=You can certainly gen a lot of animals with Illustrious and pony. You just can't post that in /aco/ as far as I know. Certainly you see it all the time on /b/ and /trash/

Christ, is like half the thread allergic to adetailer, or are you guys just poorfags genning on civit or something? I haven't been around here for a few months, but yikes.

>>8864609
> poorfags genning on civit or something?
well, except for 1 effortposter.

>>8845529
I'm splitting the thread if he makes another one.
I will do this anytime I feel like posting in /aco/. I saw someone get banned once for complaining about the quality of gens, so fuck this faggot.

>>8862730
Nice

>>8862278
>celeb loras
In hell with all the retards who can't stop posting the same 5 females

>>8864609
bro she's got two clits.

>>8864650

Well, to be honest, he probably has never even seen a real one in his life.

>>8864699

No one has made a Coonskin lora for the weeb models. Sigh.

>>8864754
Actually their are some.

https://civitai.com/models/906839/marigold-coonskin-1975-or-pony-character

https://civitai.com/models/748936/miss-america-coonskin

Wish granted. ;)

>>8864650
>>8864694
>what is a Urethra for 500

>>8864952
I think you need Urethra brand eyeglasses.

>>8864949
Those are for Pony, anon.

>>8864968
Those are the only ones, sorry.

>>8846770
Apparently the couch fucking jokes are legion.

>>8865142
noice

>>8865180
delicious booty hole

Here, an image I posted by mistake in /e/

don't know if (mostly) heterosexual pegging goes here or in the futa thread, hopefully I'm within the rules.

>>8865368
not only is that a futa post, but it's probably a /b/ post too.
but i'm no narc and i don't blame anyone who doesn't want to click on either of those places.

>>8865550
>futa
Looks like a girl cartoon character pegging a boy cartoon character with a strap-on to me.

Baking.

I warned you not to make anymore threads.

New thread:
>>8866098
>>8866098
>>8866098

>>8853154
>>8864298
zoo is supposed to be /b/ only iirc.