Just how fucked is modern dating/marriage situation?? - /adv/ (#33192491) [Archived: 1194 hours ago]

Anonymous
6/9/2025, 1:25:31 PM No.33192491
hypergamy in action
hypergamy in action
md5: 370b2ad3da1be16c190bb9a506d66cca🔍
For context, I've been out in the trenches irl trying meet up with women in person and I've been friendzoned, or better to call it, "brozoned" on atleast 8 different occassions over the past 3 years. I'm 5'10 and I think my country's average height of men of my age is just about that or perhaps a bit higher by say 1 or two inches. Before you come lashing out at me saying that it's just a numbers game, bear in mind that it took atleast a solid 3-4 months to build a friendship with them and it hurts knowing that not a single one of them turned to be romantic. Almost every women sees me as a sidekick character and not a boyfriend/playboy type at all. Some of these women told me that I just didn't look like a 'boyfriend' boyfriend at all. Is is it all down to looks, or atleast the major portion of it? A couple of my friends who're a head taller than me find it really easy getting a girlfriend, and each of two of them are actively in relationships with atleast 3-4 women. If pic rel is true, am I fucked because of the insane competition? Am I better off going MGTOW, or better, partaking in the proverbial 'INCEL REVOLUTION' as I might rather die trying rather than just rotting or partaking in a system that only hurts my chances even more?
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Anonymous
6/9/2025, 1:31:56 PM No.33192504
>>33192491 (OP)
My advice: Stop reading the shitty fanfiction on Reddit and believing it.
Also, stop with the really bad demoralizing LARP threads on /adv/
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Anonymous
6/9/2025, 1:35:57 PM No.33192515
The truth is no one here knows what the fuck to do. The ones who succeeded for whatever reasons are never aware of why and will just make fun of you, ultimately to keep you down (I don't think they're conscious of why they do it though). The many who didn't succeed will either demoralise you to keep the crabs in the bucket or just throw an "I dunno" or "try [thing they haven't done and never works]" or truisms.
There is no help to be found here or anywhere regarding dating advice in the modern era. You need to have already had a strong, wide social group that you see for reasons that AREN'T just looking for a romantic partner, and then randomly get with someone through it (usually indirectly like meeting a friend of a friend at a party or some shit) and never really think about it or know what really happened. This is the numbers game; not actively trying X number of times, but being in thousands of incidental situations that eventually luck out to something you want. Modern life in western (and eastern it seems) societies is NOT built to encourage this in everyone.
So in other words you lost because you didn't know you should be playing a game you didn't know existed and society didn't guide you towards it because it doesn't care about you. Applying direct effort is a constantly exhausting dice roll and not nearly as effective and no one here will be able to guide you.
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Anonymous
6/9/2025, 1:45:33 PM No.33192531
>>33192515
>No one knows tips and tricks of a game whose rules are not clearly well understood
is that the gist of your post m8?
>>33192504
I wish cause just like some of the tall friends who're killing it in dating, there are just as much short friends who're really getting screwed with little to no success. It's sad really that no one is talking about the elephant in the room. You truly sound lika a beneficiary of the current system and you seem shit scared that people are waking up to this and may actually bring about a new system, a system that you may not benefit as you're currently benefitting
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Anonymous
6/9/2025, 1:49:17 PM No.33192544
>>33192491 (OP)
>bear in mind that it took atleast a solid 3-4 months to build a friendship with them and it hurts knowing that not a single one of them turned to be romantic.
What are you doing during those months? You took months to build a friendship, but how much were you trying to build a relationship?
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Anonymous
6/9/2025, 1:50:33 PM No.33192551
>>33192544
I'm a unifag
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Anonymous
6/9/2025, 1:58:25 PM No.33192570
>>33192491 (OP)
>Almost every women sees me as a sidekick character and not a boyfriend/playboy type at all.
Because you're acting like one.

>Before you come lashing out at me saying that it's just a numbers game, bear in mind that it took atleast a solid 3-4 months to build a friendship with them and it hurts knowing that not a single one of them turned to be romantic.
Why are you "building a friendship" when you want to have a romantic relationship with a girl? Those things are entirely different. I am by no means a womanizing chad or PUA, but even I know that if you can't get to go on a date with you within the first few conversations, it wont ever happen. So the numbers game argument still holds true: Meet someone, ask her out, if she rejects, meet someone else. No month long invest of your time necessary.
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Anonymous
6/9/2025, 1:58:41 PM No.33192572
>>33192551
I mean with the girls. 4 months is a lot of time to invest in someone for it to never go past friendship. The wording of 'building a friendship' that didn't 'turn out' romantic makes it sound like you were just friendly to these women and never made any moves towards the romantic, instead expecting it to just happen of its own accord. If that is the case, then it's no wonder they only view you as a friend - you only acted as one.
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Anonymous
6/9/2025, 2:03:16 PM No.33192590
>>33192570
>Because you're acting like one.
I wish cuz the tall dudes are acting no different than I do, atleast from what i'd observed and have no problem with women.
>Why are you "building a friendship" when you want to have a romantic relationship with a girl?
touch grass if you don't understand human relationships 101.
I beginning to think this is a bot post but if you're a legit human, I feel sorry for you.
>>33192572
same goes for you
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Anonymous
6/9/2025, 2:10:51 PM No.33192612
>>33192590
>touch grass if you don't understand human relationships 101.
Dude, you made a thread about how your month long strategies on getting a girl to date you are not working... clearly you should retake your "human relationships 101". Or is wailing self-pity more comfortable?
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Anonymous
6/9/2025, 2:11:38 PM No.33192617
>>33192491 (OP)
>3-4 months to build a friendship
>dating
You don't need to do all that shit, it will get you friendzoned. Online dating isn't the real world. I always felt at least in uni it's way easier, but I don't know anymore. Focus on your career and socialize as much as you can. Last time I tried online dating it was mostly hook ups, it's not really relationship oriented.
>Am I better off going MGTOW, or better, partaking in the proverbial 'INCEL REVOLUTION'
won't solve anything.
Anonymous
6/9/2025, 2:11:43 PM No.33192618
>>33192491 (OP)
>Almost every women sees me as a sidekick character and not a boyfriend/playboy type at all. Some of these women told me that I just didn't look like a 'boyfriend' boyfriend at all.
>Is is it all down to looks, or atleast the major portion of it?
Literally none of that is down to looks (or height). It's 100% in the way you carry yourself and what you make them feel...or not feel, in your case.
Anonymous
6/9/2025, 2:11:52 PM No.33192620
>>33192590
You didn't answer my question. If your goal is just to act out bitterness towards men taller then you, as though no man your height or shorter can get a girlfriend, then do that. But don't post on an advice board asking for advice if you're not even going to accept it nor offer up any context that could allow anyone to actually help you.
>Before you come lashing out at me saying that it's just a numbers game, bear in mind that it took atleast a solid 3-4 months to build a friendship with them and it hurts knowing that not a single one of them turned to be romantic.
If you are doing what you seem to be implying here, it is no wonder you are only seen as a friend. I'll ask again: what are you doing to let these women know that you are even interested in a romantic relationship with them?
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Anonymous
6/9/2025, 2:12:40 PM No.33192623
>>33192491 (OP)
>not even bothering to cover the facts that rhis is posted in the incels subreddit
>thinking anyone's going to believe all that bullshit.
Anonymous
6/9/2025, 2:21:43 PM No.33192642
>>33192612
>clearly you should retake your "human relationships 101
you literally become a friend first before taking things romantic(sexual). What are you on about?
>>33192620
>what are you doing to let these women know that you are even interested in a romantic relationship with them?
I've told that I was single to one of the woman when we were having a random convo about romance and relationships and just asked her casually if she can be my girlfriend. Btw, both of us were Loling hard abouy a joke I'd cracked. a moment before and I thought this could be the chance to initiate our romance, only to get told point blank on my face that I could not be imagined as a boyfriend at all as I just don't look like one. Something very similar to "You don't look like a boyfriend" response has been given on atleast 3 occassions. Fast forward 7 months, and about 4-5 of these girls are all matched with men who're considered conventionally attractive, men who're I'd wager atleast in the 6'3-6'4 ish range, have a good face & voice, student like I'm except some of them are stem and some are non stem. One of the guys looked just like a freaking model, except he was not white and had black eyes. I highlighted height in my original post because that was one of the standout features you could immediately notice in them, a first impression of sorts.
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Anonymous
6/9/2025, 2:29:59 PM No.33192662
>>33192642
>hey guys I can't get women, please give me advice on getting women
>*advice*
>not not like that!
>here, let me, the same guy just asking for advice, explain to you all how this REALLY works
Every time with you fucking retards.
Yes, you talk to women and get to know them first instead of asking them out on sight, sure. But if you go too deep into friend territory without ever making a move or making your intentions known, there's no coming back. Literally every guy (besides you) knows that.
And second point, you never ever ask a girl to become your girlfriend. Even if you've been seeing her, even if you're already fucking her...no. You let her bring that up. If she likes you, she'll eventually raise the "so...what are we?" talk and it's at that point you can "reluctantly" accept being her boyfriend. But she brings it up, not you.
You've never made it that far along in the process though (and likely never will) so this advice will be lost on you.
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Anonymous
6/9/2025, 2:31:03 PM No.33192666
>>33192642
>you literally become a friend first before taking things romantic(sexual).
And how would you know? Do you think the guys who hook up on tinder spend 3-4 months building a deep friendship with the girls? Do you think people to trust falls and sharing secrets at the clubs before going to ones place to fuck?

God... you are totally socially clueless on what the differences between romance and friendship are. But go on, blame it all the oh so many factors outside your control. This way you don't have to think about improving yourself.
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Anonymous
6/9/2025, 2:33:30 PM No.33192674
>>33192662
Not OP here but what's the situation with hitting on girls when they're apparently being hit on absolutely all the time, like won't I just be annoying them and not standing out from anyone else anyway, no matter when I do it
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Anonymous
6/9/2025, 2:34:59 PM No.33192678
>>33192642
You asked a girl out of nowhere if she should be your girlfriend without ever having gone on a date or presumably even flirted in any way with her...? And this was months in? Where did you learn that this is what you should do? Come on man. If I heard that I would either take it as a joke or assume you were extremely autistic.
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Anonymous
6/9/2025, 2:41:15 PM No.33192692
>>33192666
>Do you think the guys who hook up on tinder spend 3-4 months building a deep friendship with the girls?
no which brings me to my question which I think I know the answer for. Do you need to be good loooking first to get a foot at the door when it comes to romance-sexual of course?
>>33192662
Just to be honest with you, I had a girl out point blank if we can hangout and chill(musical concert), which we did, only after getting to know her for a few days. I did ask her if we can be in a romantic relationship which she promptly declined because she supposedly had a boyfriend. she didn't have at that time as I'd confirmed it later through her friends. Perhaps you may recommend me to play le numbers gayme again, but I can confirm that my friends who're shorter than have tried all the commonly prescribed dating advice and nothing worked. The only positive thing that I gained from the female relationships that I forged was a widened social network.
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Anonymous
6/9/2025, 2:43:10 PM No.33192696
>>33192674
It completely depends on the girl. If she likes you or is interested, it won't be annoying. If she doesn't, it might be.
So how do you know beforehand? That's the beauty of it, you don't. But you can read the room a little bit. A girl who is interested and a girl who is repulsed will be both be giving off very different signals once you're talking to them.
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Anonymous
6/9/2025, 2:45:53 PM No.33192701
>>33192674
>like won't I just be annoying them
Some of them, and that's fine. It is absolutely okay to make a woman minorly uncomfortable or annoyed for a brief moment when putting yourself out there. That is just the reality of trying to connect with other human beings. Don't let asocial internet losers complaining about being hit on convince you not to try.
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Anonymous
6/9/2025, 2:46:06 PM No.33192704
>>33192678
my tall friends never went out on a single 'date' such as having food at expensive restaurants before they became boyfriend-girlfriend pair. they were extremely playful right from the moment they locked eyes on each other and things went smooth right from the get go, something extremely organic with no material expectations of any kind. Love at first sight is what I'd describe it to be. I on the other hand have payed expensive concert tickets, restaurant bills(some of which using my parent's money btw) and it was all for nothing
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Anonymous
6/9/2025, 2:46:37 PM No.33192705
>>33192696
>>33192701
Thanks it's horrible, life is a meme, I'm off to kys my kms.
Anonymous
6/9/2025, 2:47:45 PM No.33192709
>>33192692
>Do you need to be good loooking first to get a foot at the door when it comes to romance-sexual of course?
You in particular could look like a jacked 6ft+ supermodel earning six figures and still be too much of a sperg to get a gf!

Nothing we say here gets through to you, if it doesn't confirm your already fixed believes...
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Anonymous
6/9/2025, 2:51:34 PM No.33192716
>>33192709
>if it doesn't confirm your already fixed believes...
perhaps I do have some fixed beliefs right now, but they were formed from years of experience by literally being out there in the real world. On the other hand, I find it suprising that folks like you are even giving dating advice by not having the slightest of clue as to how human relationships work.
Anonymous
6/9/2025, 2:53:28 PM No.33192721
>>33192704
>my tall friends did things completely different than me
>but their success is because they're tall though!!
And no, you didn't "have to" spend money on expensive dinners and concert tickets hoping for a crumb of pussy, that's sucker shit. Most people would figure out that after something doesn't work the first couple of times, that maybe they're on the wrong path. But not you, clearly.
Nothing was stopping you from being "playful and smooth" like your tall friends but you.
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Anonymous
6/9/2025, 3:02:19 PM No.33192732
>>33192704
Not going to lie man the social awareness gap between you and anyone normal is so great I can't even consider you a reliable narrator of your own or their actions. If you truly believe that you were acting the exact same way as they were, you are either undiagnosed autistic or your hyperfixation on making this a height thing is clouding your judgement.
It's clear you are not looking for advice or answers here, but for some ego-driven need to convince yourself that the reason you are alone is because you are only average height and not because of your actions.
Anonymous
6/9/2025, 3:03:26 PM No.33192734
>>33192725
>>33192721
If I were autistic, how do you think I was even able to form friendships with several men and women, women who hung out with me on many many occassions until they all either found a boyfriend or decided that it was awkward to continue going out with me after I'd made an indirect 'proposal' of sorts ? Why do women say 'you don't look like a boyfriend'? Is it a mere coincidence that good looking tall guys have all found romantic relationships, some of whom are spinning plates, while me and my avg to below avg statured folks are finding it literally impossible to find one?
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Anonymous
6/9/2025, 3:05:44 PM No.33192745
>>33192734
What are you even on about? Autistic people can have friends, retard.
Your own post details exactly why it's how you act and not how you look that is your biggest problem.
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Anonymous
6/9/2025, 3:11:21 PM No.33192764
>>33192745
>Autistic people can have friends, retard.
they don't for the most part, atleast not irl, as they're much more prone to social anxiety, have issues making natural eye contact, etc.. I can confirm this because one of the guys who is tall is a diagnosed autistic who couldn't look women in the eye when they were giving him choosing signals. one of us had to teach him coping strategies to deal with that.
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Anonymous
6/9/2025, 3:13:22 PM No.33192770
>>33192491 (OP)
Between average western men and average western women it is completely over, only exists where there is a massive power/wealth difference.

aside from that, all the long term relationships I know of are with western men and foreign women.

For some reason, western women and foreign men never last
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Anonymous
6/9/2025, 3:14:45 PM No.33192774
>>33192770
All your experience comes from reading posts on the internet.
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Anonymous
6/9/2025, 3:14:45 PM No.33192775
>>33192734
>decided that it was awkward to continue going out with me after I'd made an indirect 'proposal' of sorts ?
If you cannot understand why a woman would feel weird about continuing a friendship with someone that just revealed to them their months of prior friendship was all an attempt to date her then you are genuinely autistic, yes. You apparently lack any theory of mind whatsoever. When you are after a romantic relationship, it should be made clear up front through your words and actions from the get go. If you do not do this (and instead spring it on them 4 months in like a retard), then they will only percieve you as a friend.
The rest of your post is incel drivel not worth responding to
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Anonymous
6/9/2025, 3:15:40 PM No.33192780
>>33192774
No.
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Anonymous
6/9/2025, 3:16:21 PM No.33192783
>>33192780
Why am I fucking chicks left and right then?
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Anonymous
6/9/2025, 3:16:38 PM No.33192784
>>33192775
>If you cannot understand why a woman would feel weird about continuing a friendship with someone that just revealed to them their months of prior friendship was all an attempt to date her
it didn't happen with all the women though. I think you sound like a bot or some sort of a shill trying to scam people. Good day to you anon/bot
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Anonymous
6/9/2025, 3:19:12 PM No.33192792
>>33192783
your emotional retort betrays your lack of reading comprehension
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Anonymous
6/9/2025, 3:21:15 PM No.33192797
>>33192784
>If you cannot understand why a woman would feel weird about continuing a friendship with someone that just revealed to them their months of prior friendship was all an attempt to date her

this guy is completely right. Theres nothing more unattractive to a woman then a guy that doesnt know what he wants. If you cant communicate your intentions of a social interaction properly you are not in the position to complain that you dont get what you want afterwards. Plus its borderline manipulative to enter a friendship with the intention of dating beforehand
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Anonymous
6/9/2025, 3:22:37 PM No.33192801
>>33192792
Your interpretation of my reaction as emotional betrays your Asperger’s syndrome.
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Anonymous
6/9/2025, 3:24:02 PM No.33192806
>>33192801
re read the OP idiot

since you probably can't I'll give you a hint, we're talking about marriage

also kill yourself you fucking retard.
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Anonymous
6/9/2025, 3:28:07 PM No.33192818
>>33192806
I dont give a fuck what you are talking about. If you got your life together and are no social sperg you have a lot of options of dating, fucking and marrying. You sound a bit emotional about this subject, do you want to talk about it?
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Anonymous
6/9/2025, 3:32:56 PM No.33192832
>>33192818
you sound like a woman whos pushing 30
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Anonymous
6/9/2025, 3:33:26 PM No.33192834
>>33192801
>>33192806
MURDERED lol
Anonymous
6/9/2025, 3:36:49 PM No.33192846
>>33192832
impossible, I wouldn't talk to you if that was the case
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Anonymous
6/9/2025, 3:36:57 PM No.33192848
>>33192784
You continually fail to understand that the disconnect you're experiencing comes down to what you think you are communicating versus what you are actually communicating. A woman you are trying to date should not see you as just a friend--this has nothing to do with whether she is attracted to you, or wants to date you, or wants to be your friend, or thinks you're too short, and everything to do with how she perceives your intentions via your words and actions.
She may reject you in any number of ways, in which case you move on to someone else, but at no point should it come as a surprise to her that you're suddenly asking her out, and it not come as a surprise to you that she is or isn't interested MONTHS into talking to her.
Anonymous
6/9/2025, 3:38:18 PM No.33192853
>>33192797
Meanwhile other women say they need to spend time with a guy in person for a few months before they even know whether they're attracted to him, and when they answer surveys most of them say they want to start as friends first.

This is just a hard game, and usually everything you do is wrong until you find the one who's right. You do the best you can and push through until you find someone, or don't.
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Anonymous
6/9/2025, 3:44:22 PM No.33192875
>>33192853
I feel like theres literally no right or wrong in dating. I just like to make my intentions clear because i wont spend 6 months in some random friendship I gain nothing out of, that is emotionally draining because i want more.
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Anonymous
6/9/2025, 3:48:11 PM No.33192891
>>33192846
I'm not into older chicks, sorry
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Anonymous
6/9/2025, 3:49:25 PM No.33192893
>>33192891
no problem, they are not into you either
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Anonymous
6/9/2025, 3:55:59 PM No.33192910
>>33192893
sure thing, my sundried tomato
Anonymous
6/9/2025, 3:58:38 PM No.33192921
>>33192875
Yeah, personally I think it's only worth it to mess with slow-burn things like that if you genuinely like the girl as a friend and she's good to spend time with, funny, interesting, good company. Basically only with a special girl, most of the time it should be a quick push to getting a yes or no and moving on.
Anonymous
6/9/2025, 4:51:45 PM No.33193082
>>33192491 (OP)
>>33192590
>>33192642
>>33192734
>>33192784
Dude holy shit you sound completely unreliable. If that's not autism I don't know what it is. There's no way you're being serious.

>it didn't happen with all the women though
Yeah, some are brave enough to block you and fuck off, others are afraid of what a lunatic would do and lay low, they don't reply to you, don't interact with you, they're just there, still, hoping the retard fucks off by himself.

There's a difference between the friendship of friends and the friendship of lovers, those are both friendships, yes, but they start completely differently. Sometimes dating makes no sense at all, sometimes I do feel like the only reason someone is dating is because they happened to get the right answers to a puzzle they didn't even knew were playing, but man, holy fucking shit you're off by a mile. Like, holy shit. You're just a retard. The people here are trying to help you, listen to them.
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Anonymous
6/9/2025, 5:18:03 PM No.33193202
lenin
lenin
md5: c3e3620d62d652b2be5c16ba1caa0528🔍
>>33192491 (OP)
I think there's nothin wrong with ya nigga. It's just that the game is rigged where winner takes it all. You must choose the path of the INCEL REVOLUTION, as you might have realised, and that it is the correct thing to do, if you wish to see a future where everyone has a stake in society's present & future, be it economic stake or genetic stake, a future where no man or woman are left behind from the point of view of genetic survival. However revolutions don't happen just like that. It needs organisation, mobilisation, clear objectives & conditions of failure, human & material resources and most importantly the WILL to fight till the bitter end. The revolution cannot afford to have rotters who'd rather give up. It needs brave and bold men who truly care for the welfare of their fellow incel brothers-in-arms. Sure it's one thing to complain and spread the message about the unfair and crooked nature of this system, but it's a whole another thing to encourage men to give up & rot, something that I find a lot of MGTOWERs promoting. It rather needs to give men hope, encourage them to upskill get educated, promote unity amongst men and then revolt all out. It's good to hear that you're not some autismo who cannot socialise. You're a blackpilled neurotypical normie who has a strong social network. Maintain that and make it wider, stronger and deeper if necessary as it'll definitely come in handy. Create irl meetups with your fellow incel bros and spead the word. Start organising slowly, but surely in a consistent fashion, and encourage your fellow incel bros to work insanely hard to occupy key nodes in the functioning of society. Leverage your positions so that when the time is right, you can destroy the system.
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Anonymous
6/9/2025, 5:28:54 PM No.33193260
>>33192531
I don't believe in giving the people who aren't loved the power to decide the rules for relationships.
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Anonymous
6/9/2025, 5:32:14 PM No.33193276
>>33193260
nta but women, who are hated by women & men, do have the power to decide rules for relationships. They're actively choosing who gets to make it to the next generation and who gets eradicated this generation, genetically. It's literal arbitrary power games and the gynocracy is scared as shit that men are going to unite & revolt, the bottom 80-95% of men that is
Anonymous
6/9/2025, 8:53:11 PM No.33194230
>>33192515
This! But it will sadly get ignored. 100% of all advice over ever been given outside of the most basic shit imaginable was all a massive farce
Anonymous
6/9/2025, 10:43:11 PM No.33194826
>>33193202
ngl, based indeed. The incel revolt needs competent and able bodied men for it's cause
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Anonymous
6/10/2025, 12:06:10 AM No.33195146
>>33194826
If they were competent and able-bodied...they probably wouldn't be incels in the first place.
Replies: >>33197431
Anonymous
6/10/2025, 1:14:03 AM No.33195420
>>33192491 (OP)
If they were real friends they would hook you up with sex with the girls they are fucking. I always do or I at least let them know what’s available for them on my side. You need better friends.
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Anonymous
6/10/2025, 1:17:54 AM No.33195442
>>33195420
I can understand hooking your bros up but not with your own side pieces. IDK what culture you come from but it's kind of gross to be eskimo bros in addition to friend bros with a guy, at least to me.
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Anonymous
6/10/2025, 1:20:03 AM No.33195447
>>33192515
Spoken like a true loser. Please ignore this bullshit it’s only gonna confuse you.
Anonymous
6/10/2025, 1:27:24 AM No.33195474
>>33192662
Pure bullshit. Every relationship I been in I asked. Why do you guys objectively say things that aren’t true?
Anonymous
6/10/2025, 1:46:52 AM No.33195543
>>33195442
You don’t “own” side pieces if a girl likes you a lot she usually will be interested in your close friends to but Ik what you mean I guess we just don’t take things like that to serious here in Indiana kek
Replies: >>33195627
Anonymous
6/10/2025, 2:21:53 AM No.33195627
>>33195543
Are you black, or a wigger? I encounter that kind of attitude a lot from black guys who are happy to let chicks "do their hoe thing" and "don't mind if the other brothas crack her up"
And yeah you can't control what a hoe's gonna do, but again it's not like we're introducing each other to prospects we "vetted" for them kek
Replies: >>33196639
Anonymous
6/10/2025, 2:39:24 AM No.33195694
>>33192491 (OP)
They key to believing in and navigating picrel is never leaving your house or speaking to women. 90% of broke losers and weirdos are dating. The only difference between them and you is you're autistic and they're not. If you leave your house you'd see, unequivocally, that most women aren't as remotely picky as the incels on reddit lead you to believe. Its almost as if they have two contradicting ideologies - the first being that women are insanely picky and that 10% of men get 90% of women but then on the same exact forums they complain about how all women want are losers and criminals and bad boys. Well, which is it? Start touching grass, anon. YouTube Redpill patreon-tier MGTOW content is brainrot bullshit sold by brainrot con men to brainrot autismos.
Replies: >>33195776 >>33197844
Anonymous
6/10/2025, 3:03:40 AM No.33195776
>>33195694
The hardcore blackpill incel shit is wrong but if you can't admit that modern women have become entitled due to being enabled by liberal governments, and that the Western dating market has been devastated by the rise of technology like social media and dating apps, then you're either willingly being a simp or you're spending your life sleepwalking.
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Anonymous
6/10/2025, 3:12:32 AM No.33195806
>>33195776
>modern women have become entitled due to being enabled by liberal governments
I don't even know what this sentence means, anon. There's so many questions being begged I don't even know where to start. This whole conversation is like nano surgery and you have the nuance of a rubber hammer.

>Western dating market has been devastated by the rise of technology like social media and dating apps
Incorrect. The western dating market has rapidly evolved and shaped itself to the rise of technology and you, a very specific subset of socially inept and undesirable man, has been dubbed the loser in this new system. Modern dating is optimized to exclude men like you yet, in the grass touching world, it works for normies very well. Its illogical to try to say that because you're on the loser end of a system that a system doesn't work.

>then you're either willingly being a simp or you're spending your life sleepwalking.
"If you don't agree with me you are (standard insult A) and (standard insult B)!"
Very boring, anon.
Replies: >>33195820 >>33195861
Anonymous
6/10/2025, 3:18:51 AM No.33195820
>>33195806
>I don't even know what this sentence means, anon. There's so many questions being begged I don't even know where to start. This whole conversation is like nano surgery and you have the nuance of a rubber hammer.
Entirely dodging the issue because if its obvious irrefutability, nice. You're like that faggot Adam Conover, you're being deliberately obtuse because you know exactly the sorts of policies I'm talking about. Women's suffrage, women being allowed independent bank accounts, women being encouraged to work instead of homemaking, the end of obscenity laws, Title IX, DEI policies, take your fucking pick.
>Modern dating is optimized to exclude men like you yet, in the grass touching world, it works for normies very well.
I've been dating since I was age 18 which will make 15 years this year. I know what I'm fucking talking about because unlike you, I'm not a terminally online simp and I'm also not a virgin teenager on summer break.
I seriously don't understand what the malfunction of you plebbitor-archetypal posters that try to furiously deboonk the FACT, BACKED UP BY FUCKING MARRIAGES AND BIRTHRATES ALL OVER THE FIRST WORLD, that gender dynamics are deteriorating and insist that women are these perfect queens that have done no wrong and it's us men who are the problem. Anyone that actually fuck women, knows how wrong that is.
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Anonymous
6/10/2025, 3:26:56 AM No.33195861
>>33195806

Broski I make 120k/year, am over 6'2'', get dates fairly regularly and even I see how fucking terrible it is. There is something fundamentally wrong with modern western women.

Modern dating excludes men in general, if you don't fulfill a particular stereotype women clamor over you're pretty much cooked.
Replies: >>33195942
Anonymous
6/10/2025, 3:28:31 AM No.33195866
>>33195820
>Entirely dodging the issue because if its obvious irrefutability, nice.
You haven't defined any of your terms. What do you mean "entitled"? How have "liberal governments" changed the landscape of dating for women?

>you're being deliberately obtuse because you know exactly the sorts of policies I'm talking about
You didn't list any policies.

>Women's suffrage, women being allowed independent bank accounts, women being encouraged to work instead of homemaking, the end of obscenity laws, Title IX, DEI policies, take your fucking pick.
Well if your argument is that women are entitled to work and have a bank account then yes, of course. That's a good thing. People should be entitled to live the lives they want. You haven't explained how this is a bad thing.

>I've been dating since I was age 18 which will make 15 years this year. I know what I'm fucking talking about because unlike you, I'm not a terminally online simp and I'm also not a virgin teenager on summer break.
You sound extremely emotional. I'm also not interested in your personal anecdotes. I'm looking at the world as a whole.
Replies: >>33195923
Anonymous
6/10/2025, 3:41:51 AM No.33195923
>>33195866
>Well if your argument is that women are entitled to work and have a bank account then yes, of course. That's a good thing. People should be entitled to live the lives they want. You haven't explained how this is a bad thing.
Allowing women to exist independently of men has always lead to the eventual regression of society from higher states of awareness to lower states. This has been demonstrated through history with a 100% success rate from ancient Mesopotamia to Rome to the Arab world (and you can see how well it turned out for Arab women lol). It's not my job to be your history professor, you can look this up easily.
Women simply do not have what it takes to stand in the same shoes men occupy. Women are great, we need them to make babies and to not feel lonely, but damn anyone who has been in a relationship knows they really are capricious children that put logic in the backseat when it comes to decision making.
If you disagree with this assessment, then fuck off because there's nothing left for me to say.
>You sound extremely emotional.
>standard insult
You come across as having very little self awareness, I'd honestly clock you as a troon or a woman (not that there are biological women here).
Anonymous
6/10/2025, 3:47:21 AM No.33195942
>>33195861
>if you don't fulfill a particular stereotype women clamor over you're pretty much cooked
This is another problem brought about by modernity. Fashion and trends have always been around but thanks to technology and a culture defined by conspicuous consumption fashion trends are constantly flashed to everyone all the time, creating a continually shifting standard for women and men.
Ten years ago, people would say you had a "pedo-stache" if you grew out a thin mustache, now women love them. We mercilessly ridiculed guys that got mullets or tapered fades, now they're unironically in style.
I know I sound like an old man yelling at things, but it gets exhausting when it's at this pace and you just want to find a girl who vibes with your lifestyle.

You can still do it, but you have to kiss a lot of frogs to get there, and too many men aren't kissing any frogs at all.
Anonymous
6/10/2025, 3:59:47 AM No.33196008
>>33192491 (OP)
I'm not gonna read your bullshit.
If tinder doesnt work for you, there are other ways of meeting girls.
Go outside and cold approach a thousand girls, see where it leads.
Anonymous
6/10/2025, 5:50:01 AM No.33196448
>>33192491 (OP)
Ignoring op's crashout is it really that easy to be pursued by men on dating apps as a girl???

[spoiler]I've been avoiding dating apps because I feel like I won't find love because I'm a unemployed fangirl but if its that easy.....? o-o[/spoiler]
Replies: >>33196497 >>33197507
Anonymous
6/10/2025, 5:58:04 AM No.33196497
>>33196448
Bruh
You would have simps lining up around the block just to hear you fart through a walkie talkie, regardless of your employment status, BMI or even identifiably human features
Anonymous
6/10/2025, 6:24:57 AM No.33196639
>>33195627
TBDesu he just sounds like a cuck
Anonymous
6/10/2025, 11:19:27 AM No.33197431
>>33195146
>If they were competent and able-bodied...they probably wouldn't be incels in the first place.
yes in the sense that they owuld cease being incels if they revolted successfulyy and NO because women don't find competent but physically unattractive men as potential partners/boyfriends/lovers
Anonymous
6/10/2025, 11:50:52 AM No.33197490
>>33195420
Literally no one does this.
Anonymous
6/10/2025, 12:03:52 PM No.33197507
>>33196448
it's easy to find men to have sex with
it's hard to find men who will commit to you
Anonymous
6/10/2025, 2:07:40 PM No.33197724
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>>33192704
And then in my case, it's the opposite. Everyone in the group had gfs in their teens and are in long-term relationships or can get women when they want to. There are two guys who buck this trend:
>6ft 7in, has never had any kind of relationship
>6ft 6in, first relationship when he was 24 with 6ft 2in woman, really struggled to attract women before this.
Both guys are conventionally ugly.

People think height helps, but in my experience, the tiers are:
>Top: good face, height above 6ft
>good face, height above 5ft 4in
>medium face, height above 6ft // good face, height below 5ft 4in
>medium face, height above 5ft 4in
>ugly face, height above 6ft // medium face, height below 5ft 4in
>ugly face, height above 5ft 4in
>Bottom: ugly face, height below 5ft 4in

In other words, face > height, and where face is equal, taller is better. But being 6ft can't help an ugly face much.
Anonymous
6/10/2025, 2:19:30 PM No.33197752
>OPs picture
So a 67+ year old woman got scammed by AI/pajeet catfishers into signing up for Tinder and she thinks she is popular and this is somehow proof women are spoiled? LOL. Newspapers are full of stories of women her age falling for Nigerian princes. Old women are also the number 2 demographic after men to pay for dating websites (without success). She is just being milked dry by the dating industry, she is nowhere near as popular as she thinks she is from the messages she has read.
Anonymous
6/10/2025, 2:44:49 PM No.33197833
>>33192674
Think of it like sales.

How many times have you been walking around a shopping area or city and a salesperson tried to offer you brochure about X and get you to come into their store? I would think at least a few times assuming you go outside. Now, if you aren't interested in what they have to offer, you typically wave them off and go about your day. Maybe they are a bit pushy and try to engage with you but you clearly aren't interested, they get the hint and then start talking to someone else.

During those situations, you are at most slightly annoyed but then 30s later you aren't even thinking about it anymore. Unless... they actually do have something you're interested in, then you'll probably listen to what they have to offer.

Now, let's say that salesperson came up to you, starts aggressively pitching their spiel, puts their brochure in your hand, is extremely pushy and is damn near pulling you into the store. Not only are you going to be really annoyed and or pissed, it's going to stay on your mind much longer. Now, also remember that a lot of women are unconfrontational, so a lot of them will go into the store or at least take the brochure just to appease them because they can't say "no".

For example, when I went to China.

Girl 1: Approached her and asked if she could recommend me a restaurant but she said she wasn't from here and kind of cut the convo short.

Girl 2: Approached her and she just waved me off.

Girl 3: Approached her and asked her if she could recommend me a restaurant but she said it was her first time here. This girl was actually smiling and inviting though. If my Chinese was better, I could have easily turned it into a instant date.

Girl 4: Approached her and she just waved me off.

Result? All except girl 3 probably forgot about me in less than a minute. Girl 3 probably remembered me for at least a bit because it was probably her first time ever having a short convo with a black guy that can speak some Chinese.
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Anonymous
6/10/2025, 2:49:10 PM No.33197844
>>33195694
>90% of broke losers and weirdos are dating.
90% of broke and weird women, maybe.
Not even 50% of young men overall are dating at all, let alone before conditioning on being broke/weirdos.
Anonymous
6/10/2025, 2:52:03 PM No.33197852
>>33192515
this is true

There used to be very established norms for this in the like 1800s but those don't exist in a mass culture you just need to have social networks you are involved with
Anonymous
6/10/2025, 2:56:19 PM No.33197860
Foo bar...
Anonymous
6/10/2025, 3:08:02 PM No.33197893
>>33193082
>There's a difference between the friendship of friends and the friendship of lovers, those are both friendships, yes, but they start completely differently
Not OP. Could you please explain the difference in how they start?
Anonymous
6/10/2025, 4:12:22 PM No.33198137
>>33192515
Yeah I figure this is the case. All "advices" here are pretty much more or less to the same effect which is to just keep waiting forever if you don't have connection. I suspect I have ASPD so it's probably virgin till death for me.
Anonymous
6/10/2025, 4:16:32 PM No.33198158
Only terminally online people complain that dating is fucked, because it's only actually fucked online. Women are DYING for men to approach them in public. They all want to have an organic meeting, not on an app. I'm not even chad, I'm a bald nerd and I met my gf because I asked her to play darts with me at a bar.
Replies: >>33198181
Anonymous
6/10/2025, 4:20:06 PM No.33198181
>>33198158
I don't want sluts who make places like bars their home. I could pay and get laid anytime I want but that's not what I'm after. I just want genuine affection, the kind of carefree blissful love one used to experience in their youth. It's simply impossible in this day and age.
Replies: >>33198196
Anonymous
6/10/2025, 4:22:59 PM No.33198196
>>33198181
My point still stands even if you don't go to bars. My friend met his gf in the park when he asked her to play frisbee with him.
Replies: >>33198208
Anonymous
6/10/2025, 4:25:52 PM No.33198208
>>33198196
>gf in the park
Good luck risking like 99% of chance she call a cop on you for being a creep
Replies: >>33198225 >>33199597
Anonymous
6/10/2025, 4:30:08 PM No.33198225
>>33198208
Depends how you go about it. If you go up to her and say "You're really pretty can I take you on a date?" right off the bat you'll probably get a no and she'll think you're creepy. If you ask her to do some casual activity with you or just introduce yourself and try to get to know her a little most girls would be amenable to that.
Replies: >>33198440
Anonymous
6/10/2025, 4:33:59 PM No.33198241
>>33197833
>chinese
>china
using 'just be white' gayme only proves OP's point of looksim autism. of course chinks are going to be desperate for white guys with colourful eyes
Replies: >>33198267
Anonymous
6/10/2025, 4:40:12 PM No.33198267
>>33197833
>Result? All except girl 3 probably forgot about me in less than a minute. Girl 3 probably remembered me for at least a bit because it was probably her first time ever having a short convo with a black guy that can speak some Chinese.
>Girl 3 probably remembered me for at least a bit because it was probably her first time ever having a short convo with a black guy that can speak some Chinese.
>probably her first time ever having a short convo with a black guy that can speak some Chinese.
>black guy that can speak some Chinese.
>black guy

>>33198241
>using 'just be white' gayme only proves OP's point of looksim autism.

You didn't even read my post, I'm not White.
My Bumble was popping off while I was there.
Replies: >>33199202
Anonymous
6/10/2025, 5:18:26 PM No.33198407
>>33192515
It’s the death of the local community. That would have made all the problems today null and void but where in the past people used to form communities where they knew each other they do not now. Think when is the last time you talked to your neighbors? The people that sleep literal feet from where you do? Do you even know their names? What about the person who delivers your mail? The people who work the pharmacy you visit if you do? The guy who owns the local bodega? People used to go to church on the weekends and not run back home after immediately after services end. When is the last time anybody at your job went to get drinks after work together? You know the people you might spend 40 or more hours a week with? Stranger danger is one thing but this is absurd how distant we are from each other and how distant kids are being taught to be from each other.
Anonymous
6/10/2025, 5:26:51 PM No.33198440
>>33198225
>If you ask her to do some casual activity with you or just introduce yourself and try to get to know her a little
You do realize just this description already match the most common theme of SA reports? Unless you have looks of Brad Pitts everyone is going to think you're a creep.
Replies: >>33199216
Anonymous
6/10/2025, 8:37:53 PM No.33199041
>>33192572
I hate this type of thinking. If you're not making moves and are being friendly, you're somehow in the wrong for it. It's insanity. Kill yourself faggot
Replies: >>33199150
Anonymous
6/10/2025, 8:59:00 PM No.33199150
>>33199041
He's right though.
>you're somehow in the wrong for it. It's insanity.
I mean nobody is saying making friends is bad. But expecting surprise pussy when you've been giving out platonic energy and doing 0 flirting/dating for months is completely retarded. Women don't think about this shit like you do.
Replies: >>33201030
Anonymous
6/10/2025, 9:09:30 PM No.33199202
>>33198267
what race are you?
Anonymous
6/10/2025, 9:11:34 PM No.33199216
>>33198440
I've done it and I'm an ugly weirdo. You're just coping with "muh looks" to justify never having to put effort in. God you're pathetic
Replies: >>33201413
Anonymous
6/10/2025, 10:12:05 PM No.33199566
>>33192764
I had a classmate who had a bad case of autism, he as tall as me, pretty average looks.
he wanted to be the Einstein type, like a physics savant, but he didn't really have the wits for that, every time the teacher would ask him a question he would get that wrong and tremble in anger for the next 30 mins, didn't have many friends other than my group that really only wanted to be kind to him.
saw him the other day at the bowling alley, making out with his gf, hand on her inner thigh. looked at my friend, ex classmate too, "yo fag even the retard got a gf before you";
I got up, picked up a ball, went in the gutter.
Replies: >>33202430
Anonymous
6/10/2025, 10:17:14 PM No.33199597
>>33198208
nigga bitches are getting raped by muzzies in the streets that end up doing 3 months in jail and you think cops will put your ass in jail for talking to a girl out in public?
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Anonymous
6/10/2025, 10:26:09 PM No.33199653
>>33192504
Yeah just ignore the root problem. Just ignore it assholes
Anonymous
6/10/2025, 10:30:24 PM No.33199675
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>>33192491 (OP)
REVOLT OR ROT, REVOLUTIONARYCEL!!!
REVOLT OR ROT!!!
Anonymous
6/11/2025, 1:26:42 AM No.33200300
I'm more than likely never going to have a woman be attracted to me.
It doesn't really borher me though. There are many more parts of life
Anonymous
6/11/2025, 4:35:37 AM No.33201010
>>33199597
Yes. If you think otherwise you probably never even go out.
Anonymous
6/11/2025, 4:38:56 AM No.33201030
>>33199150
>Women don't think about this shit like you do.
That's right. If you aren't exceptional physically, they don't think of you romantically or sexually at all. Any attempt by you at showing romantic interest at any point in the relationship will be seen as creep behavior.
Anonymous
6/11/2025, 4:40:30 AM No.33201036
>>33199597
Yeah, no government had EVER enforced laws unequally.
Anonymous
6/11/2025, 6:15:07 AM No.33201374
The thing about relationships is right now, men need to invest far more than they get out of them excluding chad.

Even if you can reliably pull, usually the relationship isnt going to last very long and you will be putting in far more into than the girl will be.
Anonymous
6/11/2025, 6:19:40 AM No.33201413
>>33199216
No, he's right. It's all about first impression. You might have low esteem but if your looks pass then they won't think you're a creep.
Anonymous
6/11/2025, 7:31:38 AM No.33201755
>>33192491 (OP)
>Just how fucked is modern dating/marriage situation??
it's beyond brutal all because men choose to act like cucks rather than putting women in their place. Have a fucking sharia law already retards
Replies: >>33202340
Anonymous
6/11/2025, 9:22:40 AM No.33202340
>>33201755
What is it with retards like you who keep insisting we swing from one extreme into another? Seriously, fuck off.
Replies: >>33202534
Anonymous
6/11/2025, 9:56:59 AM No.33202430
>>33199566
>"yo fag even the retard got a gf before you"
>I got up, picked up a ball, went in the gutter.
fucking kek.
Anonymous
6/11/2025, 10:44:02 AM No.33202480
>>33192491 (OP)
Only thing I don't like about it is that everyone is dishonest. They will never admit in your face that you have to act in certain ways in order to win and that you might be genetically disadvantaged. All the normies and women I confessed my problem to just assumed that I could get laid by snapping my fingers like they do and didn't give practical advice. Weirdly, things would be better if more people were redpilled or blackpilled. All these lies like "love will come when you least expect it" and "be yourself" just confuse us and make things worse. Actually, now that I think about it, this is not limited to just dating and social life, but to success in general, and that's because we ask for advice to the winners, who often were advantaged to begin with and never had to try as much as we would need to.
Replies: >>33203630
Anonymous
6/11/2025, 11:24:09 AM No.33202534
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>>33202340
except that was the norm for many millenia in many cultures across the planet. So fuck off cuck or get rekt with the foids that you support, defend and love licking the heels off. Total Foid Enslavement
Anonymous
6/11/2025, 11:52:45 AM No.33202574
>>33192491 (OP)
>took atleast a solid 3-4 months to build a friendship with them

Why are you building friendships with them if you are interested in them romantically?
Replies: >>33202687
Anonymous
6/11/2025, 12:43:26 PM No.33202687
>>33202574
I think any sane human can vouch for the fact that the line between friendships and relationships are somewhat blurred initially.
>>33192491 (OP)
Choose the path of revolution OP. Keep in close touch with those foids who you'd befriended to grow your social network. Liquidate those parasites when the time is right
Replies: >>33202711
Anonymous
6/11/2025, 12:57:36 PM No.33202711
>>33202687
Huh? How does killing femoids get us girlfriends? You're not on my side
Replies: >>33203589
Anonymous
6/11/2025, 5:42:14 PM No.33203514
>>33192515
Realest advice in the world.

I'm a tall, young white guy, and I'm just going to start playing my hand at geomaxxing. I have to do it before I look worse and before every other normies gets in on it. Brazil, Korea, Japan, Thailand, Philippines, etc. I don't have any experience, but I'm sure the women in those countries will atleast treat me like a real person instead of a nuisance.
Replies: >>33206094
Anonymous
6/11/2025, 5:59:02 PM No.33203589
>>33202711
liquidation doesn't always have to involve murder. It may also been just making your enemy lose everything that they can as a leverage
Replies: >>33203596
Anonymous
6/11/2025, 6:00:04 PM No.33203596
>>33203589
>can as a leverage
can use as a leverage**
Anonymous
6/11/2025, 6:08:23 PM No.33203630
>>33202480
The problem isn't that you can't find anyone. If any hole could suffice then people wouldn't bitch and moan constantly here.
Anonymous
6/12/2025, 3:37:06 AM No.33206094
>>33203514
>but I'm sure the women in those countries will atleast treat me like a real person instead of a nuisance.
That's my biggest thing, you'll try talking to women and they'll treat you like a bother at best. It really sucks if you don't already have a friend group with tons of single people.