My 22 year old brother never cleans his room. He leaves plates and cups with rotting food in them for months on end.

I'm worried about how disgusting shit like this can attract pests and insects to the house, his room stinks really bad. Also a large amount of the available plates and cups are gone.

My parents don't seem to really care what should I do?

beat him to within an inch of his life

>>33204497 (OP)
bribe him with sex

>>33204497 (OP)
Looks like depression. i was like that his age. except my room was far worse, because you couldn't even see the floor, because there were beer cans completely covering it.

Maybe something is bothering him.

>>33204531
>>33204552
Please answer seriously neither of you are funny

>>33204626
The image is just something I got from google his actual room is 100 times worse. He doesn't seem to be very depressed he seems pretty satisfied playing videogames 24.7.

What got you out of it?

>>33204627
seriously
the threat of further physical violence will compel him to comply with your instructions

>>33204645
Please kill yourself and stop posting in my thread you worthless unfunny faggot.

>>33204660
not as worthless as your deadbeat brother lmaooooo

>>33204637
>seems pretty satisfied playing videogames 24.7.
again, i did shit like this too at peak depression.
>What got you out of it?
Decided to go job hunting by walking around the city, picked up new hobbies, and enrolled in classes. I've been motivated ever since. i don't play video games anymore, and i'm glad i don't. maybe you could find something that gets him out of his room. a hobby he doesn't yet know he'd be into, some class courses that teach you cool shit that sticks with you and not necessarily just for career prospects, and just finding a job, preferably one that's hands on since he's young and would probably enjoy it.

Maybe he is happy, but you never know. people who game 24/7 and neglect their environment tend to be looking to escape some unaddressed problems.

>>33204627
i think they are both hilarious

>>33204497 (OP)
picrel?
also who gives a fuck just let him be a loser
why does someone else’s living space matter to you unless you’re frequently there

>>33204688
>just let him be a loser
plz don't do this. he will thank you when he's 30.

>>33204660
Why uou are mad he’s funny

Whore

>>33204694
i didn’t consider that she was doing it out of genuine care for her brother my bad

>>33204667
You are a virgin irl

>>33204688
I don't really care that much about him being a loser if that's what he wants. It's the fact that he hoardes plates with rotting food that will likely attract pests to our home

>>33204716
like your brother?

>>33204725
i dont care bitch PICREL?

>>33204725
Have you actually told him to stop? Or have your parents done so?

Moreover, has he been told that it’s disgusting and risks an infestation?

>>33204737
Yes both of you are losers that's my point.

>>33204753
Yes I've told him to clean his room it makes no difference. My parents try to be strict sometimes but then just stop caring after just simply telling him doesn't work. At this point I wish my parents would just give him an ultimatum, either clean your room or you get kicked out

have you tried talking to him about it???

>>33204976
No I barely have a relationship with him at this point. He stays in his room all day playing video games only comes out to go to the toilet or get food. Also It's not like he wants to change he seems perfectly fine with his situation

>>33204999
try to start bonding with him somehow then bring it up? maybe he needs to hear it from family

>>33205036
Parents have talked to him about it many times he doesn't really care

>>33205063
maybe he needs to hear it from (you)
ask him what a girl would think if he brought one over

>>33205083
I promise you he wouldn't give a shit. He doesn't care about dating women or anything besides playing videogames

>>33205097
hmm

>>33205097
K so what the fuck do you want us to tell you at this point. You have a fucking answer for everything don’t you lol. Fuck off

>>33205355
What the fuck do you mean "you have a fucking answer for everything" are you retarded? This is the situation and I don't know what to do so I'm asking for advice you fucking idiot.

>>33205403
We’ve given you advice - like all the advice that would actually work - and you’ve replied to every single one saying why it wouldn’t work or why you can’t do it

Like fuck off then? You either get him to do it somehow or your parents get him to do it somehow. The fuck else do you want us to tell you lol there’s no magic answer here

Maybe just focus on the kitchenware. His room is his room, but the kitchen is everybody's. Not like it's even a big ask to move a few dishes.

>>33205496
Okay thanks for giving me all the advice out there in the world that I can possibly apply in this situation. I will now force him with physical violence to clean his room good job retard

>>33205522
Apparently it is a big ask. He's got plates covered in rotting food, I moved one and a bunch of small flies flew away soon as I did. I don't know if I can even get them clean anymore.

>>33204637
You grew up in the same life circumstances as him, why do you think he might be depressed? Give us some more context

>>33205598
I can't look into his mind but I don't get the impression that he is depressed. I always hear him laughing with his online gaming friends. I never get the sense that he dislikes the place he's at. He's doing exactly what he wants to be doing all day.
Maybe he's extremely depressed on the inside and he just doesn't show it outwardly. That's possible but I don't think it's the case.

As to why it's probably a combination of genes (parents struggled with addiction when younger) and lack of parenting. I'm not perfect either.

>>33204497 (OP)
>what do

>>33205531
nta but he has a point. like, seriously, what more do you want to hear?
do you not have any critical thinking skills where you could think of how to convince him or your parents to get something done

>>33204497 (OP)
I'm about the same age and I live almost exactly like that. I don't leave it for months because the smell bothers me but I do let things go a little moldy often. I've ended up with most of the bowls, cups, and plates in my room at different times. When my parents complain I usually sort it out within a couple of days.
There probably is something wrong with him so you should go easy on him. Even if he doesn't care, there's a story behind why that is. If you didn't come out of the womb happy to live in their own filth then he didn't either.
If he doesn't have a rubbish bin in his room, I suggest buying one and a roll of liners. Line it and give it to him. Maybe he'll throw food in there while it's fresh, making it less of a chore to remove/clean the plates later in addition to solving the rotten food problem. When I started doing that I found it a lot easier to keep on top of it. He might not respond the same way but it's worth a shot.
If you can't convince him and you don't care about helping him then I suggest you buy your own dishes and keep them in your room. Or move out.

>>33204637
Depression is not something you can see

>>33205856
I don't "want to hear" anything I'm asking for advice

>>33208707
you got advice and whined about how you didnt want to do any of it

>>33204497 (OP)
>nothing
>your parents circus not yours
>mind your own business

>>33204497 (OP)
His room is none of your business, faggot

>>33212118
>>33213331
The plates of rotting food attracting insects and being gone for months is my business you fucking incel virgin faggots

>>33204627
When you've exhausted every other option, beating someone like a dog is usually the only way for drastic changes to happen. My father with heart with heart failure and anthemia refused to take his medication for retarded reasons despite pleas with tears in my eyes that I want him to be around to see my future kids. Didn't work, so I started beating him with a belt, now he takes his meds every day and is feeling better..

>>33204999
Don't you know what a hikikomori means you faggot?

>>33204660
Why are you upset at him? He’s giving you genuine advice.

If you weren’t so weak willed, you would have done even more to straighten your brother out years ago. Instead, you’re asking for some magic miracle answer on 4chan of all places. Man up and take action or cry yourself to sleep every night.

>>33213788
Can you at least intimidate him? Just with the dishes, lie and say you saw roaches or some shit, just fucking man up and be an older brother.

>>33214476
He's 3 years older than me and you expect me to teach him basic skills like cleaning his room?

>>33204497 (OP)
Lol that was me my whole life too. Never cleaned my house or room, lived in filth, played videogames from the morning i woke up till the time i go to sleep.

>doesnt seem to be very depressed
He’s probably severely depressed to the point of daily suicidal ideation.

He’s not an idiot, OP. He sees the mess he makes, he knows it, he acknowledges it. You think he’s not know? Why else do you think he tries to escape reality using video games? He’s miserable as fuck, thats why.

>but he escapes reality every day all day on his videogames.

Thats cuz he is permanently depressed. He will hide it well, verbally. Just like I could. But my actions (and lack of them) gave it all away. Just as your brother’s inaction gives his state of mind away.

That room is a reflection of his mental state, believe that.

Anyway tl;dr, turned out i had undiagnosed adhd. Once I got medded for that, my life got better, depression and anxiety went bye bye once i got a new sense of control over myself.

make him binge watch hoarders

>>33214644
>Cont
I don't think you need to see a therapist and I don't think your boyfriend needs to blow this event out of proportion. He should know what the drugs do (presuming he tried or does acid too).

No therapist or psychologist can even work with psychedelic induced phenomena. It's the one thing in life that defies all rationality and logic, psychedelic land is almost like another mental dimension entirely, it's bizarro world. So your bf's mom won't have anything insightful to help you.

Cuz you don't need the help. You just need clarity and reassurance that it's normal to feel that shit on drugs, and in a few months you'll be fine.

If you wanna dig into the experience as something meaningful, then by all means you can. But don't interpret the feelings in a linear way (you'll only be convinced you are trans or non binary)

Instead, think of it as a feeling that bubbled up. Ponder why that feeling was in you, where did it come from? What part of your life grown this feeling in you? Is it really about trans identity, or rather, is it about struggling to connect emotionally with other females? Like mom, sisters, female peers throughout life. Chances are the feeling comes from that.

>>33214603
It’s either that or you can keep whining about it to us. The choice is yours. Obviously your parents have failed you both so it’s up to you.

If your main concern is the pests, what I suggest is to stock up with disposable plates/bowls/utensils and put a giant trash can in his room. Then the argument becomes who pays for the disposables and that he needs to empty his giant trash can. But those are lower effort things vs collecting all the plates and washing them.

>>33215208
You've never had sex

bribe him with sex

>>33205063
because there are no material consequences to him