I think it's asinine that women can show clear signs of affection towards one another, hug each other, and no one will even bat an eye. But me as a man, admitting that it would be comforting to be held by another man, I'm immediately called gay. I'm not gay. There's a clear difference between sexual attraction and platonic comforting.

This all started because I told a friend I'd feel comforted being held in the arms of this big burly video game guy, and he immediately said it was extremely gay. I of course told him it wasn't as I'm not gay, and explained how it was more akin to the bond between a father and son, to feel protected and safe. He didn't believe me, and insisted I'm gay. It's been ingrained into the Western zeitgeist that a man showing any form of support for another man is instantly gay. In other parts of the world men openly hold hands and kiss each other on the cheek. It pisses me off that I'm judged for having these feelings that are perfectly normal. I don't know what to tell my friend to convince him I'm not gay.

>>33211818 (OP)
hugging someone and "being held in their arms" are separate things I think. I'm a straight guy and I greet male friends I'm close with by hugging them. But there is something more sensual about saying you want to be held in another man's arms, and that is homoerotic. That's more you saying you're attracted to that character.

My advice for you is to stop being a teenager, and then people will stop caring so much.

>>33211818 (OP)
Blame women. Everything is female's fault.

>>33211818 (OP)
faggot

>>33211818 (OP)

>>33211818 (OP)
I'm a man and my gay friend as a teenager let me cuddle with him for a few hours and we'd shift positions every now and then.

I cared about him very deeply and this meant a lot to me. And it was completely platonic.

>>33211834
>That's more you saying you're attracted to that character

I'm definitely not attracted to him. I guess I just mean hugging him if that's the case. There is nothing sensual about it.

>>33211857
Not gay fuck off

>>33211895
>I cared about him very deeply and this meant a lot to me. And it was completely platonic.

See, you get me. There's nothing sexual about it. It's just that men aren't allowed to show that affection to other men otherwise they're gay

>>33211818 (OP)
>But me as a man, admitting that it would be comforting to be held by another man, I'm immediately called gay.
You just need better friends, Anon. Last time we did mushrooms me and my buddy spooned and watched the sunrise on the shitty outdoor couch on the porch of the rental. You can find straight normal men with more tender senses of masculinity nowadays. You don't have to put up with rejection for your natural socializing needs. Reminder for most of human history your bros had to pick the bugs out of your back hair everyday or the tribe would die. We evolved to like it

>>33212087
> You can find straight normal men with more tender senses of masculinity nowadays. You don't have to put up with rejection for your natural socializing needs.

I mean I don't think he's a bad friend he just doesn't understand. I'm not feeling rejected because I'm not interested in that type of bond with him anyways. It just sucks that expressing these feelings leads to immediate ridicule.

>>33211818 (OP)
>But me as a man
LOL! You mistyped "faggot."
I won't read yet another resentful whine thread.

>>33212087
>. Last time we did mushrooms me and my buddy spooned and watched the sunrise on the shitty outdoor couch on the porch of the rental.
NIGGER THAT IS FUCKING GAY. I HAVE DONE MUSHROOMS AND ACID AND 2C-B AND DMT AND NEVER HAVE I DONE THIS WITH ANOTHER GUY. WITH WOMEN YES BUT NEVER WITH MEN.
FUCK.

>>33212894
>LOL! You mistyped "faggot."
I won't read yet another resentful whine thread
I am a man?

>>33213048
>I won't read yet another resentful whine thread
I don't think I'm whining in any way desu

>>33211818 (OP)
If your dick is rubbing against the other guy then it's gay

>>33211818 (OP)
there were these two guys in my history class that would rub each other's shoulders. i suspect they were gay.
men do not need comfort.

>>33213461
>men do not need comfort.

Every person in this world desires comfort, my desire for it is the norm.

>>33211818 (OP)
You are gay and in denial about it. Remember this post when you finally admit to yourself you are gay 5 years from now.

>>33212062
The thing is I got a boner during it and I would end up realizing that I am bisexual, but to my own conscious at the time, it was entirely platonic.

I didn't realize it back then but there was a sexual component to it to me.

>>33213999
>You are gay and in denial about it

I have no reason to be in denial if I was really gay. No one I know is homophobic and would care if I was gay, and I'm not religious.

>>33214723
>I didn't realize it back then but there was a sexual component to it to me.

Well there's nothing sexual about it for me. I wouldn't get a boner or find any sexual gratification out of it.

>>33211818 (OP)
You're fantasizing about being held in the arms of a big strong hairy man. That's pretty gay, man. I mean, other guys have comforted me when I've been upset. Put their hands on my shoulder or arms around me sideways. But you know, I don't fantasize about that happening. It doesn't take up my thoughts. You're fantasizing about a big strong man holding you. That's effeminate and yeah I must say it's pretty queer. But don't get offended by it. It's alright to be kinda queer, okay? You're a bit of a faggot, that's okay, accept it about yourself.

Supposed future echo is suicidally inclined


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>>33212051

>>33215099
>You're fantasizing about being held in the arms of a big strong hairy man. That's pretty gay, man.

When you phrase it like that of course it sounds gay. It's not like something I think of constantly, just a passing thought. Also, it's a fictional man, which I would say it a lot different than imaging that scenario with a real man. I don't think either make you gay but I'd say in my case it's obvious I'm not.

>You're fantasizing about a big strong man holding you. That's effeminate and yeah I must say it's pretty queer.

I'm not effeminate. Not even in the slightest. These aren't feminine thoughts to have. I imagine 99% of men have these thoughts but are scared to admit it because our society would mock them.

>>33215048
You're still gay

>>33216495
>You're still gay

Funny how everyone replying that I'm gay haven't given any definitive reason for it

>>33211818 (OP)

by abandoning the false claim that men and women are equals. They are different and distinct. They are alike in many ways, but that does not mean they are the same/equal.

>>33211854
Men doing male things over imaginary men= women's fault

>>33216720
>They are alike in many ways, but that does not mean they are the same/equal.

I don't disagree with that. But what is different about men and women that openly showing affection to the same sex makes one gay and the other not?

>>33216733
>Men doing male things over imaginary men= women's fault

I don't understand what you mean by that

Your friend's an asshole who perpetuates the toxic masculinity that calls you gay. You probably can't change him but pointing out the double standard and the unfairness may help you. Also, it'd go better if you framed the big burly guy as someone you look up to, maybe that'll make you look less gay

>>33217153
>You probably can't change him but pointing out the double standard and the unfairness may help you. Also, it'd go better if you framed the big burly guy as someone you look up to, maybe that'll make you look less gay

I tried pointing out the double standard, but he insisted no straight man would even consider cuddling another man. I attempted to frame it as like a bonding thing. The only reason I chose the character (Xiahou Yuan from Dynasty Warriors) was because he's caring and would be a good protector.