Handling ADHD without meds? - /adv/ (#33218629) [Archived: 1685 hours ago]

Anonymous
6/14/2025, 3:52:22 PM No.33218629
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I'm quitting adderall because I hate relying on amphetamines to be able to do anything. Now that I'm off of it it's really hard to get a grip on time if that makes sense. Do any of you have any tips for handling adhd symptoms without meds?
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Anonymous
6/14/2025, 3:55:44 PM No.33218632
>>33218629 (OP)
>Now that I'm off of it it's really hard to get a grip on time if that makes sense.
Yeah that makes sense to me fellow ADHD nigga. It's because our disorder suffers from time-blindness. Our internal clock is fucked, we can't tell how long something takes or how much time we have.

The way to handle it without meds is to outsource the function. That's where you use tools to stand in for parts of your brain that don't function. So a reminder system using scheduled alarms, whether it's your phone, a smart watch, even an Alexa or some automated thing that tells you "Time is up. Go do this instead." Or "it's time to do this thing"

Good luck remembering to set those though lmfao.
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Anonymous
6/14/2025, 4:15:10 PM No.33218660
>>33218629 (OP)

you're supposed to use the meds to give yo breathing room to begin developing coping mechanism that you can stick to when you come off the meds.

you did it wrong...
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Anonymous
6/14/2025, 4:42:35 PM No.33218726
>>33218632
Alright thanks anon maybe I'll start with a pomodoro clock and making a daily schedule.
>>33218660
Fuck. Well luckily I still have some meds just in case I start falling apart. I just started a summer class that I really don't want to screw up...
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Anonymous
6/14/2025, 4:57:53 PM No.33218778
>>33218629 (OP)
caffeine and nicotine
Anonymous
6/14/2025, 6:26:16 PM No.33219040
>>33218726
>Fuck. Well luckily I still have some meds just in case I start falling apart. I just started a summer class that I really don't want to screw up...

well gee, how does your time-loss manifest? lets figure something out.
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Anonymous
6/14/2025, 6:51:43 PM No.33219128
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What is it about relying on amphetamines that makes you dislike it? Are you experiencing side effects from the medication?

Millions of people rely on something to allow them to live a normal life - insulin, pain medication, blood pressure meds, anti-epilepsy meds, etc.

There's obviously a big stigma around mental health & relying on medications, but boiling it all down to "I don't want to use meth" is very harmful. Plenty of people take ""narcotics"" to treat seizures but it would be insane to say "I don't want to treat my seizure because I don't want to rely on narcotics"

I often think back about a Jordan Peterson lecture where he deals with patients who absolutely refuse to take anti-depressants, despite how much damage the depression is doing to their body, life and relationships, and he comes to the conclusion that, well, sure you can choose not to take anti-depressants, but if you end up killing yourself, have you really won?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JuQgJxYriYI
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Anonymous
6/14/2025, 6:52:46 PM No.33219133
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>>33218629 (OP)
>>33219128

Transcript from the Jordan Peterson Lecture:

1:25
And you know, people... you hear, 'everyone takes antidepressants, you know, everyone's taking them.'

1:30
It's like, no one takes those bloody things without serious consideration.

1:33
Half the time I spend with my clients when they're depressed is often a 2 years long attempt to try to get them to tentatively try an antidepressant.

1:41
Because they're so guilty that they're relying on an external crutch to sort out their lives,

1:45
that they can't even tolerate it.

1:47
But, you know, I say, well look, man, what if you had diabetes?

1:51
You're not going to take your insulin?

...

2:34
But sometimes, too, you're dealing with people whose lives are so wrecked that they don't even know where to start.

2:40
They're different from the ones who have everything in order.

2:43
And you say, well, try this, man, maybe you won't cut your throat in the next month.

2:46
Because if you're dead, it's going to be hard to work with you.

2:50
And so... so... medical interventions, anything! If you're sick, you do what's necessary to get better.

2:58
And you leave your pride behind if you have to.

3:02
And that says nothing about the utility of behavioural intervention.

3:06
You want to hit the problem with everything you have at your disposal.

3:10
But some antidepressants, especially for people whose lives are together and who are depressed,

3:17
antidepressants can be absolutely miraculous.
Anonymous
6/14/2025, 6:53:34 PM No.33219138
>>33219128
Lmfao you should really talk about Jordan Peterson getting fucked up addicted and dependent on Benzos.

Fuck you pharma pusher
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Anonymous
6/14/2025, 6:56:02 PM No.33219152
>>33219138
Do you tell your doctor he's a pharma pusher when he prescribes you antibiotics for the chlamydia you got from your uncle as a child you fucking retard?
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Anonymous
6/14/2025, 7:02:35 PM No.33219194
>>33219152
And what does that have to do with psychoactive drugs prescribed with 0 diagnosis tools besides rhetoric?

You're kinda just Low Iq bro. Probably the amphetamines severing your critical thinking skills.
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Anonymous
6/14/2025, 7:05:42 PM No.33219212
>>33219194
Who said anything about 0 diagnosis tools? Do you know OP's medical records?

Why are you trying to move the goal posts to try to get people to argue a point that you just made up in your mind?

Sorry, I'm not the one with no critical thinking skills here. Good luck and have fun with your weird argument skills, maybe they work on gaslighting your partner but they won't work on me. Have a good day.
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Anonymous
6/14/2025, 7:15:03 PM No.33219241
>>33219212
Uh, fucking science and the field of psychiatry itself lol? They dont have any diagnostic tools. You cant look in your brain and find the schizophrenia lol, its literally not a possibility (yet at least).

You seem to know a lot about moving goal posts around, considering you just ignored how Jordan Peterson got addicted to Prescribed Benzos and then starts screeching about antibiotics. And when I explain the difference you yet again move the goal posts to "You dont know ops medical records".

Ya just a retard nigger
Anonymous
6/14/2025, 7:47:29 PM No.33219351
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>>33219040
It's rough. I feel like I just made this thread 5 minutes ago. It just feels like I skipped to now even though it's not quite like memory loss. I just drank 3 cups of coffee and a monster and im fasting to try to get a grip but i have no idea wtf im doing
>>33219128
There are a few reasons but mostly because I'm not sure I'll be able to keep taking them forever and I'm worried they've affected my personality for the worse.
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Anonymous
6/14/2025, 7:52:00 PM No.33219380
>>33219351
>just drank 3 cups of coffee and a monster and im fasting to try to get a grip but i have no idea wtf im doing
Youre dopamine fiending HARD

Fasting/starving also gives you crazy dopamine. I /kinda/ prefer it to adderall just because you at least maintain your personality and natural sense of motivation. Adderall is fun but feels like suicide in a pill, just whittles your life away.
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Anonymous
6/14/2025, 8:09:04 PM No.33219452
>>33219351

you have any structure/discipline to your day at all?
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Anonymous
6/14/2025, 8:15:43 PM No.33219489
>>33219380
>Youre dopamine fiending HARD
Ya maybe Lol i kinda want to go for a run too bad it's getting hot over here.
>Adderall is fun but feels like suicide in a pill, just whittles your life away.
Wow you described it perfectly here anon
>>33219452
Well at work structure is forced on me luckily. But on my days off no. Not so bad but I still have chores to do so I should figure something out.
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Anonymous
6/14/2025, 8:28:15 PM No.33219541
>>33219489

structure helps to mark time and set boundaries.

the way you describe your time scaling seems to be a function of that, not of over-engagement like in others.
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Anonymous
6/14/2025, 8:36:50 PM No.33219565
>>33218629 (OP)
You could try Strattera, if you just don't want amphetamines
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Anonymous
6/14/2025, 8:48:29 PM No.33219607
>>33219541
Interesting. What kind of things do you think are good for structure? Similar to what this anon >>33218632 was saying?
>>33219565
I'd love to not need anything eventually but I'll keep this in mind if it ends up getting too difficult.
Anonymous
6/14/2025, 8:58:16 PM No.33219632
>>33219565
>Strattera
The withdrawals/getting off this med is so much worse. Physically painful.
Anonymous
6/14/2025, 9:22:22 PM No.33219698
>>33218629 (OP)
hey, I'm in the same position. As cliche as it sounds, you need to do the following:
- Start exercising
- Go to sleep at a normal time and get at least 7 hours of good sleep
- Make sure you're getting all the vitamins you need, such as Vitamin B and Magnesium (you're probably deficient in both, especially Magnesium since amphetamines deplete it rapidly)

I did all of those and my concentration improved greatly. More than that though, my overall mood got better. Now I feel good even at baseline, like I literally have a mild buzz going on all the time. It's not as strong as drugs obviously but it feels clean and natural with no downsides.

Don't expect immediate results though, it took me about 6 months.
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Anonymous
6/14/2025, 9:59:14 PM No.33219784
Why is everyone on this board so against taking meds? It's like being mad at a diabetic for being reliant on insulin.
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Anonymous
6/14/2025, 10:36:22 PM No.33219894
>>33219784
I'm not. I used Vyvanse 30mg + 10mg Ritalin if needed at night. Currently I use them daily. I have been thinking of reducing my intake and only using them as needed for actual workdays or days I need the focus.

I'm generalizing here, but I've noticed the adhds who are against meds are usually people who got their diagnosis as a kid and their parents threw meds at them and they resent meds, rightly so (drugging a kid is fucked and should be illegal even if the adhd is diagnosable).

I didn't get my diagnosis till I was 28. Spent a whole life feeling like an unfocused unmotivated fuck up and had no idea what was wrong with me. So when meds came along I jumped at the chance for them.
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Anonymous
6/14/2025, 11:09:19 PM No.33220004
>>33219784
>Why is everyone on this board so against taking meds
Its not the same, it's like CHOOSING to be reliant on insulin. Otherwise you're slumped when you would have otherwise been hyper
Anonymous
6/15/2025, 12:05:21 AM No.33220294
>>33219698
Thanks. The vitamin part is probably especially true and I just went to go get those + fish oil
>>33219784
I'm not against meds for everyone (I don't know enough about it) I just don't like it for myself for the reasons listed here >>33219351
Anonymous
6/15/2025, 5:44:53 AM No.33221525
>>33219894
I have never in my life heard of someone mixing two drugs, what's the benefit? I feel like most vyvanse users take 20-40mg depending on the type of day they want to have.

What's the benefit of doing 30 + 10 ritalin?
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Anonymous
6/15/2025, 10:14:07 AM No.33222251
>>33221525
>What's the benefit of doing 30 + 10 ritalin?

Vyvanse 30mg is the sweet spot for me. 20mg doesn't seem to help me, and 40 or 50mg made me really irritable.

I got prescribed the 10mg of ritalin to take because I noticed Vyvanse would wear off towards the early evening the ritalin I optionally take of I want a boost till bed time.