I'm 26 and I finished up my masters about a year ago. I'm a sysadmin for a decently sized school district in Minnesota. With the violence and turbulence in the US, i've been thinking about possibly exiting for a while now with my GF. We were suppoed to move out of Minnesota for a while now, but the area we were thinking about recently has a school shooting, and we were thinking about trying for kids after our upcoming marriage. Then the chaos the last week and finally todays political assassination just a few blocks from where we live, have us both coming to a mutual agreement just a few moments ago that it's time to leave and ASAP. We're fast tracking out engagement.

Although the hardest part is where to go. I have dual citizenship through Italian ancestry, so I have access to the entire EU through my passport. My fiancé is fluent in Spanish and I learned some to communicate with her family better, so Spain seems like a good possible choice, but I hear it's pretty heated over there between the locals and foreigners moving in due to the housing crisis.

>>33219334 (OP)
Czechia, Germany, and Hungary are probably the three most Jew-loving countries where you'll feel right at home.

>>33219334 (OP)
Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

>>33219334 (OP)
>Germany
They hate darkies. Try latin america.

Why would you want to leave America? It's one of the best countries. Anywhere you go in Europe will have just as bad issues as we're experiencing in this country, and many others on top of it that we don't have here.

The assassinations today are definitely alarming, but the "chaos" of last week was beyond overblown. That's just rubbish.

>>33219731
>Anywhere you go in Europe will have just as bad issues as we're experiencing in this country, and many others on top of it that we don't have here.
eurofag here
it's true
80 years of muttmerishart occupation turned this continent into the same shithole as muttmerica
capitalist hellhole full of brown hordes slaving for kikes and worshipping them as living gods
nothing to be gained from moving here
you can move to a country that is outside of muttmerishart influence but prepare to be bombed by your government in your lifetime
and please don't have children as your government is trying (and succeeding so far) to make this a reality all around the world

>>33219805
>muttmerishart
>bizarre random antisemitism out of nowhere
do you not realize how stupid you sound when you say things like this?

>>33219824
He's a eurofag. Of course he doesn't. We occupy the spot in his brain where rational thinking would be. Don't even need to pay rent either.

>>33219334 (OP)
are you fucking stupid? I am european, for the record. Do you think we live in the promised land here? we are literally being flooded with shitskins and mudslimes, by the millions, and it doesn't seem it's going to get any better. This for starters. The wages aren't anywhere near the salaries you could get in Murica and well, the women are pretty brainwashed here. Ah, and if you thought you knew what liberals were... wait till you see what the far left is for real

>>33219334 (OP)
leave if you want, but:

> With the violence and turbulence in the US, i've been thinking about possibly exiting for a while now with my GF. We were suppoed to move out of Minnesota for a while now, but the area we were thinking about recently has a school shooting, and we were thinking about trying for kids after our upcoming marriage.

school shootings are highly exception in any meaningful analysis and not unique to the US. This makes no sense. You mention the recent assassination in the next sentence, but there was a school shooting in the EU this year too. Whats the logic here?

>Spain seems like a good possible choice, but I hear it's pretty heated over there between the locals and foreigners moving in due to the housing crisis.

its almost like pressures by foreign nationals and illegals are a problem not unqiue to American political discourse...

you and your GF's level of analysis, based on OP alone, seems pretty shallow. Also, you're a dingus for moving and relocating internationally with someone you are not married to. That ends poorly.

>>33219372
Finding a job in Germany without speaking german is going to be very difficult and living in a city where you can get by with just english will cost you a significant premimum in terms of average wage to cost of living.

>>33219866
I don't know about that, but I know that Americans and Germans alike love Jews above all else, so I thought it would be easy for you to fit in.

Seconding that you really should not be relocating countries with someone unless you're married. It makes a huge difference in the eyes of the law, particularly immigration law, and the benefits you would be entitled to in the target country.

>>33219895
I am not OP just a german.
And while it is true that he will face less anti semitism from the native population than in the rest of Europe, it doesn't mean he still wont have trouble without being fluent in german.

>>33219858
>>33219903
I specifically stated that we're fast tracking our marriage. So in the following few weeks we'll have the ceremony since we're set on leaving.

>>33219855
Not, I understand it isn't the promised land. There is no promise land. However after talking with some friends that moved to the EU a while back, the general QoL is attractive to us.

>>33220033
Cool sounds like you have everything figured out, why come to 4chan to ask your dumb question at all then?

Are you Jewish OP? If so, why haven't you considered Israel?

>>33219731
People always say this, but it isn't true at all. Europe is way better than America and it isn't even close. I permanently moved to Europe. I lived in Annecy for about two years. Now I live in Wien and it's night and day compared to America. Seriously, the quality of life and stress free living is night and day People call the public transportation here lacking because they have insanely high standard compared to the USA, the public transportation is incredible. People always whine about salaries, I guess it's bad if you were making 6 figures? I made 43k a year in New York, and upgraded to about 65K a year in USD once moving to Europe and i'm surviving just fine. The people complaining about the salaries are the type of people that eat out all the time and need to fine dine. Which is strange to me given that the quality of the groceries in Europe is immaculate. the cities here are actually walkable. There are plenty of safe public places and skylines I can sit and do work at for free. The culture here actually exists and the unique events or ways people live their lives without impeding others is something America wishes it has. No it's not perfect, but god is it 500% better than the USA.

>>33220152
how does Vienna compare to NYC in walkability and culture?

>>33220165
I lived in Long Island and later on in Brooklyn and worked in West Harlem, so I had quite the commute due to there not being any profitable jobs in my immediate area. It didn't matter what I did, my commute was always about 2 hours just to get around. I'd be up at 4am daily, and getting home in the dead of night, it made visiting friends near impossible, else i'd be betting home after midnight on most occasions. Renting in the city is insanely expensive, it was a miracle I was about to get what I did, else i'd be even further away in Staten Island. The quality of apartments are a mixed bag, neighborhoods are a mess and the safety concerns are valid. I'm one of the unlucky ones and due to my commutes being in the dead of night or early morning, I eventually ran out of luck and was robbed on the train. A few months before I left for Europe, someone was pushed onto the train tracks at the station I used. I luckily wasn't there to see it, but I still remember the horrified people walking out of the subway that day. About 5 blocks away from where I lived in Brooklyn was a gang shootout that left a kid dead in the crossfire, and those were dark days for our neighborhood. Drivers in NYC do not care about you nor the law. I tried riding my bike to a closer station that would shave time off my commute and used the designated bike lanes. People drive on the bike lanes, they make left turns on the bike lanes, bus stops are in the middle of bike lanes, it felt like I was fighting for my life. It's too stressful and I never got used to it. I was looking into other American cities and concluded it was more of the same, with people stating plenty of cities, especially on the west coast, are much more dangerous that NYC.

Wien is night and day. The city is much more compact and walkable and the bus and train routes make much more sense compared to the way NYC configured their stops. Rent is much less terrifying, and the culture here is much more pronounced.

>>33220410
>the culture here is much more pronounced.
They have something better than NYC's theater scene?

>>33220152
Europe may be better than NYC, but the rest of America is better than both.

>>33220033
attractive in what sense? what do you think you'll find here that you don't currently have in the US? do you think there isn't violence in the EU? there is, just as much, just that we don't have guns everywhere or mass shootings, but in the end you don't feel secure in most european capitals. The weather? you'll surely find that in any of the 50 states. Social security? in shambles. Free healthcare? yeah I'll give you that one but that enormously depend on the country you choose. I can't honestly think of anything. In reverse, I don't see the point of moving to the US living confortably and without debt or big expenses like I live in the EU. I would only do it if I got a big salary enhance, which surely won't be your case moving here.

there's a lot to think dude, plus I understand you're taxed on foreign income as an american, so I honestly think this is something you'll have to consider hard and slow

>>33220165
are you honestly asking that question?

I mean NYC is a hub for culture, but man, Vienna is literaly the epicentre of all the art in all forms, plus you are at stone's throw of any other big cultural capitals in Europe (Paris, London, Madrid, Rome, etc.). In terms of culture and art, Europe is absolutely unmatched.

>>33219334 (OP)
I won’t read threads by hyper libtarded effeminate men who let the news dictate their emotions. Buy a gun.

>>33219372
>CZ
nope. especially not if you aren't fluent in czech.

>>33219334 (OP)
Fake China thread

>>33222381
I don't participate in politics. Heck, myself and my fiance never even registered to vote. We belong to neither political party. I simply want to live my life without dealing with extremists and mentally deranged people that act out over political parties that don't care about them. Sure this exists in other countries, but from what i've heard from my friends who already made the jump to Europe, it's way more safer.

>>33222373
Yes, of course there's violence in the EU, it's everywhere. It's the type and the last effect it has that's the main difference. Alongside the general QoL when it comes to infrastructure, benefits, raising a family, and culture. It's a pretty easy choice.

>>33222373
I feel like this is something people just overcomplicate. It really isn't that deep. There's a difference in the intensity of the violence and the way it can be inflicted. As far as attractiveness goes, the same problems but with a coat of paint that's more comfortable for the occupant can completely change someones life. So yes, you'll be dealing with the same problems, but the way it's handled, especially due to its culture, might be more attractive than what they experience in the USA.

I moved to Japan for similar reasons as OP, although I moved here with a worthless Bachelor's Degree working as a typical English teacher. I'm still poor like I was in America, but im poor and happy. I'm in a country with great transportation, higher food and grocery standards, a lot of regional diversity, affordable housing that I don't have to be on literal food stamps to quality for like in the USA. Yes they have their violence and political unrest here, but it's incredibly rare that it ever gets to a point where you have people straight up assassinating each other. Children don't have to go to schools designed for presenting school shootings. I worked in a school in upstate NY, and they passed a 1 mil budget just to get bullet proof glass and an badge system for every door in the entire district, as a result of combating potential school shootings. Our school district has it where every child had to go through a literal metal detector and if they get tipped off, people get patted down. This is not the type of environment I would ant to raise children in.

OP, you've got an out, take it and never look back. America isn't worth it.

>>33219334 (OP)
FUCK OFF WE'RE FULL
But in reality, idk why u would want to come to any of these shitholes, I guess grass is greener thing

>>33219334 (OP)
>Spain
Spain is the most lgbt loving country, so if u hate them I don't recommend