>Dropped school as a teen due to dad forcing me to work, ending up burnt out and never wanting to leave my bed afterwards
>Developed depression and horrible habits, not wanting to do anything
>Struggling with daily routines and EVEN hobbies I'm so passionate about
>I don't want to do anything, I can't, I never have enough energy
>Forcing myself only intensifies the burntout
>Being productive doesn't give me enough mental momentum to do more
>Therapists and psychiatrist refused to diagnose me for meds, they said I seem ok
>I had barely three jobs, now relying on hobby to not leech money off my parents
>Went to gym but nothing changed
>Finished school and graduated, I'm now free, it was a huge pain going through it
>Nowadays figuring out what to do next to try and change

I'm not terribly depressed like I want to kill myself but I don't understand my nature of being this lazy and tired, I'm actually optimistic for things but my energy feels so fucking limited
I'm in good terms with my family so my enviroment is out of the question, but I feel quite lost with this stupid problem because if professional help didn't work, then am I the problem somehow?
Despite how much I struggle with my everyday routine, I'm willing to try things to change.

>>33249195 (OP)
Get a job.

>>33249219
that didn't work, anon

>>33249195 (OP)
Go to a doctor and explain your symptoms, a lot will just give you a prescription without requiring deep testing. A lot of people take some kind of medication for the first time and realize how fucked they were before, it's possible you just have a neurodevelopmental issue. Doesn't mean you lack IQ or whatnot, it just means maybe the part of your brain that motivates you or rewards you is completely cooked and needs help. You could go from doing nothing to being a entrepreneur because this one issue is finally alleviated. Or just to horribly depressed to average joe but able to move on. You never know. But being able to do stuff is better than being stuck for your whole life, even if it's being a walmart chud, atleast you'll have cashflow for food and vidya.

>>33249195 (OP)
Before pharmaceutical drugs, people just waited until their life inevitably changed and lost focus on the same "mental patterns" they had been dwelling on.

>>33249356
So psychiatrist again or is there another kind of doctor? what you're telling me seems very interesting, I'll give that a look

>>33249383
That's kind of what my parents had in mind I guess, my mom is terribly afraid of meds because they fucked up my grandma or something, she relied on them a lot

I don't want to end up like neither of those honestly

>>33249396

I went to a family practice physician and our first meeting I told her about my issues and she was willing to put me on a stimulant like Adderall or Vyvanse. She said I could fork out 8k for a proper test or we could skip all of that. So I guess my overall point is a lot of doctors will gladly push drugs. Just try a regular doctor to get on something that aligns with your issues. Not saying it'll be what I mentioned. Also not guaranteed they're a drug pusher some might be more hesitant. Overall though, it seems like you don't even go to the doctor who will be able to help you a bit or give advice, this is probably a big thing you're missing. I think.

>>33249402
Your mom is irrational, just because your grandma had a bad experience with drugs doesn't mean everyone else will. They save people a lot of the time. It's really a mixed bag. Also the fact that most people are retards who can't communicate their problems.

>>33249402
I'm usually against those drugs but it's true they're a mixed bag. Could help you idk. You should be aware that they are drugs and impact you as such, which can be quite a lot.

>>33249418
>She said I could fork out 8k for a proper test or we could skip all of that.
8k? the fuck, that expensive? or am I retarded?

yeah I know it's not guaranteed, but what you told me is not a possibility I had in mind, so I guess I gotta get more opinions from professionals then, I haven't gone to regular doctors in a long while, just therapy or psychiatrist ...
I don't expect to be medicated but if I actually have to, then might as well... I will see

>>33249426
>>33249460
So they're a double edged thing? they can either help me and/or probably leave irreversible changes? that's probs what my mom is afraid of I guess, it makes me unsure too

>>33249195 (OP)

Get an accountability buddy. Find somebody going through some of the same kinds of shit and exchange to-do lists with them everyday. Then once more at night and share what you did and didn't do.

We are social animals and as far as I know, it's one of the best ways to start to get motivated again. Accountability is great when it's benevolent and voluntary.

It has to be somebody who's about as depressed and stuck as you and willing to be open and understanding of your difficulties (and you have to be of theirs).

The world is vast, I'm sure you'll find someone.

When you get active again, you won't have time to share a list everyday and make a full report at the end of the day, that's your sign to tone it down.

>>33249529
That's an interesting option... sounds like a fun one to do with a friend too, I'll keep this in mind for when I find someone in the same boat as me
I appreciate your input on this, anon

>>33249195 (OP)
dude fucking same i just get obliterated by the smallest effort i'm at the point where even using my computer is exhausting. i get in some exercise and it just makes the exhaustion worse. i wouldn't wish this shit on my worst enemy

>>33249473
For the vast majority of people they're safe. But it's not like many other medicines and treatments. The brain has very complex systems. And though the major 3 neurotransmitters (Dopamine, Serotonin, Norepinephrine) may sound like a simple trio, there are interactions between them, and overlap and interconnecvitiy in their functions, and how they affect each other.
Generally the goal of this medication is to "rewire" your brain over time. But the medication on it's own doesn't do all of the work. Most prescriptions I've read explicitly state that they're to be used in combination with other treatments (talk therapy is usually mentioned). And treatment goes beyond just that, to you changing your habits, and other aspects of your life. For example, gut health plays a very important role in mental an emotional health. As healthy bacteria in the gut is responsible for breaking down food, and producing neurotransmitters. Something which medication cannot do. Regular exercise (not even lifting) is also important for your brain, and causes "neurogenesis", creating new dopamine receptors. New studies on rats also show it can even literally "heal" your brain from past trauma, and addiction.

>>33249195 (OP)
Tell me about your diet. What do you eat daily? Does it include various veggies and fruit? Nuts and seeds?
What did you do at the gym? How often and for how long? Do you go for walks regularly?

>>33249473
Generally it's more like a trade-off, depending on the medication. Especially SSRIs. There's an emotional "blunting" effect commonly seen with them. And disorientation is a common side-effect, including effects on cognition, short-term memory, and memory recollection.

In your case, since you don't seem to struggle with motivation, I would advise against pursuing SSRIs, as they may "blunt" the motivation you do have. And result in you becoming more content with your situation than you ought to be.

Standard practice is to start you on a low dose, lower than general therapeutic levels, to assess tolerability. Then when that trial period has concluded, and if there were no/minimal side effects, and/or the side effects faded with time, then you're started on the "therapeutic" dose.

The most important rule of thumb to keep in mind is that Your Mileage may Vary, on any or all of these drugs.
You might find they don't seem to affect you at all. Or you may feel no side-effects. Or you may find that the beginning dose is enough for you.

IF you seem to have sensitivity to any medications, it's best to get a psychiatrist involved to help you plot out what you want, and how to get there. They're more knowledgeable, and specialize in the brain, it's systems, and how they affect people.

>>33254039
Stimulants used to treat ADHD differ from most other medications, in that the effects are almost immediate, instead of needing weeks to reach full effectiveness. Positives, and negatives. It's also a lot easier to stop them, early on.
There is still a factor of "rewiring your brain", in that it's been seen that long-term use of the medications in people with ADHD will case areas of the brain thought to be responsible for the symptoms to grow to sizes comparable to people without ADHD.

>>33249195 (OP)


The only advice you will get will be keeping todo lists, working out, and amphetamines.
You'll see.

>>33249195 (OP)
30 year old NEET here. I have no answer, fren. I have zero motivation for anything. For many years I used to draw but now my mind is inundated with whats and whys. To just “find a meaning” or purpose feels arbitrary. So I spend my days doing nothing. No vidya, no TV, no drawing. I just flip through different tabs on 4chan and that’s it.