I've decided to stop worrying about or dealing with women that aren't enthusiastic and proactive about talking to me. Is this a good life strategy?

no. how would you ever get through a doctor's appointment or going to the DMV, etc.?

>>33282907
Sorry, I meant in regard to courting women for romantical purposes

>>33282927
oh, yes then. that is a good idea. you deserve nothing less.

>>33282892 (OP)
>stop worrying
Yes.

>>33282892 (OP)
This is like rule number 1 of the Wizard's Handbook

>>33282892 (OP)
>this a good life strategy?
In my opinion yes. Any girl that didn't like me immediately either never did, or flaked shortly afterward. Don't waste your time on them.

>>33282892 (OP)
I don't know. Sometimes they learn to like your personality over time, especially if you aren't super good-looking. But the amount of hassle they put you through can be excessive.

>>33282892 (OP)
Oh brother, my brother in Christ. You are so right. You will save yourself a hell of alot of unnecessary embarrassment and trouble, but, sadly definitely not all of it.

>>33282907
I side with OP. In reply to your question: I had a dermatologist appointment with a new young Female Doctor a while ago - and made the mistake of commenting that her handwriting on the script was actually readable (you know the old joke cliche about Doctors writing like stroke patients). What followed that was an almost 10 minute semi breathless monologue about her husband. I swear to God. Im going to the point of yes and no answers only.

>>33283762
35yo Virgin here. Bitch, you don't talk about Fight Club.

>>33282927
>in regard to courting women for romantical purposes
Good way to go about it, I gave up on women who play hard to get; it's just not worth it

>>33284125
Other guy. It does get really really hard to see what is worth it at all too the longer you go.

>>33284143
Right? I had a situation a week ago
>browse hinge
>find cute women similar age
>message her
>talk about a very niche interest that literally 1 in a million likely to know about (all of my messages are open ended and easy to reply to)
>everything seems to be going well
>1hr passes
>stops messaging me
>unmatches with me the next day
I really don't get it, she must have found me attractive or she would've ignored my first message

>>33284169
Bro. Don't even get me started. I deleted that shit so long ago. I would literally be bordering on a mental breakdown if I took anything on those apps seriously at all. Dude it's like fishing in a sewer. I would rather write my number on a couple public restroom walls, think the people I would meet would be better too.

Yes, it's a good strategy that makes sense. If she's interested then she's not going to make you play stupid games.

better life strategy: give up on women and become self-employed

>>33282892 (OP)
That means you'll end up alone anon. Do you really think that a woman is going to be enthusiastic or proactive?

>>33284211
Son, the second you look alright and more importantly look like you have a paycheck you almost have to beat bitches off you with a stick. Im not talking about women, talking about transparent dogs in heat looking for the next branch to swing on. Just make friends and hang out socially. It happens. Like clockwork.

>>33282892 (OP)
>Is this a good life strategy?
Could be, if you're able to read the room right.

If you take it too far and like just start ghosting women after 30 seconds of getting to know them because they're not treating you like brad pitt or whatever obviously you're gonna be doing more harm than good.

>>33284216
Nta, how to appear like that if you just have some state bucks and try to save them ?
What are you talking about exactly ? Is that from experience ?
Do I have to dress in a specifically way ? Do I have to sell-out ?
Doesn't it contradict the Principle of attracting women by being yourself like in manson's book models ?

>>33284243
I can't really give you a play-by-play bulleted presentation. Im not a gigachad fucking casanova or anything. Yeah, it has been from experience. Usually if you hang out in a friend group and aren't the most hideous guy there there comes a point where you actually get to reject a woman. Now and then you meet somebody who you can spend some time with. Seriously, exercise a bit, work, learn how to dress okay, hang out with dudes. This shit happens naturally. These dating apps n shit are all just a huge scam fucking up everybodys mental states.

>>33284262
>This shit happens naturally

Some of us are unnatural then I guess.

>>33284243
Bro. Buy a gym membership or some cheap weights. Start working out in your room, like half hour but do it every night. These modern girls are the most superficial POSs. Fucking work at mcdonalds or whatever. I made and delivered goddamn cake for the first couple years after highschool.

>>33284270
Bro. Im a psychiatrists wet dream but nobody has to know that. Im here so Im on some fucking spectrum somewhere. The first couple times it happened I literally had a friend who physically had to tell me: "Listen, I see you dont know but that girl is hitting on you, do something or I will"

>>33284262
Weren't you talking about showing wealth ? And about a plenty of women ? Now you're just talking about the women you meet through friends. In which type of group activity ? Going to clubs or bars ? I have some groups of friends, but most of the time the groups are limited and people from outside don't come into it much. It's not a specifically friend group for no reason. Even if there a women in the group, it's still limited to them.

>>33284272
I do sports and people say I have muscles. I'm satisfied.
I have some money from bucks and study. I don't want to work as my soul would be crushed for selling it just for yet another ineffective effort.

>>33284285
I'm honestly glad for you. In my case, I've never seen a girl show any kind of interest about my hobbies or my thoughts, and I've never seen one go out of her way just to talk with me or spend time with me like they do with almost everybody else.

>>33284262
Where to hang out with dudes that will meet women ? Usually it's just a few women they know. People have limited possibilities.

>>33284329
Well damn dude. You ever go play pool / billiards at a bar, or just go talking shit at a hookah lounge or something? I also had to have a chaddish older friend take me under his wing the first couple times. Simple as: play pool in teams against the girls in the bar, bet a round of drinks as the prize, its easy. The biggest trick is to not give a fuck. It happens, but not every time, its just a numbers game, somebody somewhere will want something. You really just have to grit your teeth cuz there will be ALOT of timewasters. Once you can identify them, it gets better.

>>33284285
Bull-shit, women don't like gymbros, casual sluts sure but long term relationship material, no chance

>>33284308
The way I see it (I can be wrong im not Yoda) 99% of girls cannot and will not give a fuck about you or your interests ever. You have to make it about them. Everything. Unfortunately. Expand your general knowledge to the point where you know enough to talk shit about anything, and direct the conversation to the other person at all times - make it about them, if they like you then they will love talking about THEMSELVES and THEIR to you. If you seem to know about what they like, bonus. They either like you or they dont. Period. They will show this or they wont. Period. You will get caught by some vapid tard stringing you along for attention cuz she doesnt know what she wants here and there but once you know what they look like you know what to avoid.

>>33284342
>>33284342
So going to bars with male friends and approaching women ? That's what you were talking about ? I thought women came in drive when it looked like you receive paychecks and that you had to kick them off ?
I really simply want to know about the possibilities, the solution ?

>>33284359
Lol. Yeah, true. Tomato, tomahto, whatever. Im not talking bench 2000 lbs meatheads who stink of protein powder and bull semen. Just don't look doughy or like a stick. Especially in a social setting you know is going to be full of vapid, shallow cunts.

>>33284369
Dude. Overanalysing. Its not a 500 in one night thing. None of us were male models. It is numbers. Go out once or twice a month with friends over a year or two, and before you know you have numbers. And yes, you stay til closing time and some skank who cant walk two paces will be hanging off you at some point. You ever see closing time skanks? THese fucking things will probably fuck a stray dog around the corner. Really puts a guys whole infatuation phase to bed for good. As long as you dont obsess over it it happens naturally. Over time.

>>33284298
Youre gonna have to work. Once you get out of school your bank balance is gonna be more than half of what makes you attractive.

>>33284389
I see the street at night and it's men and women simply. In group. Nothing really special, but you're suggesting I go to bars /club until it closes ? Then I may get some easy chick after approaching ?

>>33284404
Lol fuck no, unless you wanna visit the clinic for a couple times. Im trying to tell you how people are in real life.

>>33284393
I cannot work for a society were women hate me. I cannot become a slave, accept a wageslave démoralisation for the Hope of a pussy. That would bé a pure status drop too. I'm a hippie let's say, a few hundreds more will not change anything, but I will also be working in a shitty life for a shit society.
I will not get out of school soon, maybe two years, but maybe only then I can do philosophe teacher, or get something published according to my professor. Anyway do women really see if you have money or have status ? Will they only love me If I have this ?

>>33284414
I mean, to approach them in clubs/bars. That's the solution you were talking about initially ? I'm searching for a solution.
At the same time I want a real relationship, not Hook ups, even if I'm very frustrated

>>33284424
Bro. Women. Love. Only. Themselves. They will never love you. Sure, they might say so, but you and me will forever be a means to an end. A tool. You are looking for a relationship, and to have a relationship you gotta be desireable, to be desireable you gotta have something she wants. You are absolutely right about the state of society. It is beyond fucked. My last job was a family business (not my family) and I was one of 3 guys on the permanent staff. Most upside down backwards fucked up dysfunctional place I ever saw in my life. But you gotta fight your way into a somewhere spot for yourself. Im still trying.

>>33284433
Oh Im just giving you an option to meet actual people regardless of the implied quality of the person or outcome. Dating apps and the net are like trying to find a nun in a crackhouse. You dont even have to approach them, like I said Im not a model, but I have been asked to play pool, or dance or whatever by a girl a few times and then what happens happens. If shes nice, cool, if not, cool. It shouldn't define my day.

>>33284446
>Bro. Women. Love. Only. Themselves. They will never love you.
I cannot believe this, I don't believe this. We too love only ourself through the other, and in fact for us as for women it feels good to forget ourself to love outside and so go outside of the ego.

>>33284456
When you were in a play pool ? Women asked you for a date ? Kek, really I know some men are approached, but that's not my case and it's an enigma why some men are approached

>>33284456
Older women look at me like I'm handsome, but never young women, it's like they don't even look my way. Women don't approach

>>33284483
Older women are different. God I always hated this too. I got it growing up from the Neighbor lady too. Especially when I hit the gym phase. Borderline creepy. I might have gotten some pussy at a young age but that 100% would have made me need therapy cuz she wasn't anything special at all. But it emphasises the fact that you are not a goblin. Remember: younger girls have something to lose - a woman your own age will NEVER EVER give you any kind of compliment, because that puts her at a disadvantage and at risk for rejection.

>>33284474
No dude. It opens up an opportunity to talk that isn't a corny fucking cold approach pickup line. If she wants to talk, cool, talk, if she talks alot, cool, if she is still talking by the time you leave ask her out. Maybe do it again next time and if she is chatty next time too, ask her out. If she doesn't or doesn't want to, fucking forget about her while she is standing in front of you. It feels good to go "what's your name again? Its your turn" for example.

>>33284474
They dont come running with their panties in their mouths screaming "Im ready, take me now". I just wait until somebody wants to talk to me to avoid seeming like some desperate creep. Remember - ALOT of women are out socially with the express intention of inflating their own egos - that means shooting down ANY man who comes their way. Wait until somebody talks to YOU then you avoid those stupid creatures entirely.

>>33284496
I simply want a look my way to know I can approach. it's not ugly older women, and it doesn't bother me, yet what brothers me is that women my age either don't see me or ignore me completely.

>>33284502
I don't understand, these women approached you before you went in these play pools ? Or did you meet there ? How did it went ? You were alone ?

>>33284531
And I keep saying they will and will keep doing so until you make it seem like you are what they want. If you dont wanna go crazy then dont chase them cuz the attention of teens and 20yo girls is at its max, and nobody but the Golden God of Chads has a shot at the open chase. Only spend your time and attention on a girl who will spend her time and attention on you - and something simple like her saying something to you first is already a sign or first step. Whatever it leads to or not.

>>33284521
Oh so there in the playing pool, alone, you waited for women to talk, approach you. That's another world you're living in. But maybe (and I always Hope About this) there is a place or a secret change that can make this happen

>>33284543
So there is no hope. No women will come my way. It's true I avoid cold approaching, and like you say I wait for a single simple sign, yet there are none from women m'y age. Women have inflated ego and men can't get them

>>33284539
Pool. Billiards. Snooker. Fucking darts. Karoake. Dance Dance revolution at an arcade what the fuck ever as long as it isn't a bunch of people sitting on their phones.

Let me make it simple.
A. Make friends.
B. Make some money.
C. Decide to go somewhere together. It doesnt matter where but I use a pool hall / billiards hall / snooker bar as an example.
D. Participate in the activity. Play the game. With your friends.
E. Eventually, other groups of friends come in.
F. Play the game.
G. Somewhere somebody might make the suggestion to play for money or drinks or what the fuck ever.
H. Once another group of friends (female in this case) has initiated contact it alleviates the defensiveness of cold approaching somebody greatly.
I. Try to just fucking have fun,
J. Talk, but more importantly let the other people talk. If somebody is interested they will talk with you, if not, just enjoy yourself. Rinse and repeat.

>>33284551
I am 34. I spent ALOT of time hanging out with friends in my 20s. I have seen a cold approach work maybe 5 times.

>>33284551
Im trying to say, work on yourself and just have fun, Im not lying when I say somebody somewhere will approach you. Even if its for just a cigarette lighter or whatever, it gives you a chance that you dont have to humiliate yourself 5000 times for.

>>33284558
Yeah invent myself a life. Pay even more. We went to a game bar with friends, groups were clearly separated, we didn't meet anyone else than of our own group.

I think the selection isn't on chad/ugly but on normie vs autist/original.
One needs to have normie friends, activities, enjoy fucking karaoke,... All for some vague Hope of chatting with a woman. I thought you had a solution because of your first post.

>>33284566
Ahah a woman came for fire, I said I didn't have then came ask her out and got humiliated hard.
Of course people approach me. I'm very social, just not women my age or beautiful, or any woman I would be interested in.

>>33284558
Also what does it changes if I make some money ? I already have some state bucks.

Does OP mean "I won't waste time if my interest isn't returned" or does OP mean "I won't show interest first"?
Because the first is smart and the second is retarded

>>33284594
It's not about what you have or don't have. Initial interest or attraction is based on what you SEEM to have or LOOK LIKE you have. You can be a homeless broke fucking bum with one dress shirt, but if you look okay when you clean up the initial attraction stage is gonna go okay. Initial attraction especially in a public social setting is the most superficial thing in this world. You get women who simp over fucking convicted felons in JAIL if their PRISON PHOTOs look good. It is fucked beyond belief.

>>33284606
I try to apply the principle of mark Manson's model: transparency, vulnerability. I'm a religious hippie pilgrim and I dress like one. I can't fake and I can't lie.

>>33284639
Lol. Okay. I tried. Enjoy fucking your hand until you kill yourself. Peace.

>>33284644
You discarded with what he says ?

>>33284741
Disagree*

>>33282892 (OP)
This is literally all it takes. This is the secret to being happy. Engage with, and put effort into, the people who already clearly like you, if you like them back.

Watching these men (particularly young men) clamor after these girls who obviously couldn't care if they lived or died just because they find them attractive, give them attention periodically, and feel as though they absolutely must have female attention and validation (from the ones they find attractive) is incredibly frustrating. It's like watching a toddler slap an object that would obviously hurt to touch to anyone with common sense. Sort of delegitimizes some of the complaints of modern dating schema from the male side in my eyes

>>33282892 (OP)
If you aren't tall and handsome this is a 1-way ticket to dying alone.
Sorry but if you were not born a girl or genetically gorgeous you are gonna have to

>>33285831
put in almost all the effort, almost all the time.

>>33282892 (OP)
Beware of BPD

>>33285482
>Sort of delegitimizes some of the complaints of modern dating schema from the male side in my eyes
ya the word entitlement is overused but the way guys think the girls are on the app and can be swiped on so everyone should have the same chance... is like going into the store with $20 and expecting to be able to get the bottle of grey goose. just a total lack of understanding and self inflicted suffering

>>33282892 (OP)
Reality is more nuanced and complicated to apply such a rigid rule.
If you are handsome and girls like you yes that might be a viable strategy if not you are shooting yourself in the foot.

>>33284342
I can't drink due to health reasons

>>33285482
>like who likes you
But then anons and family will shame me for dating the mid chubby women I like. Its a damn catch 22

>>33285831
>>33287780
So there is no way to avoid humiliating myself if I want someone to love me?