I feel so disillusioned after bad experiences with women. I know it's wrong and irrational to make a judgement about an entire gender. But I think I attract the worst kind of people.

Some women I've dated or been friends with do and say outrageous, unethical things. And when I say (politely) that this isn't okay, they start attacking my character or even my appearance. It's this zero personal accountability thing I can't stand. They are so good at manipulating situations to make their actions look innocent or even justifiable.

When I do something wrong I say sorry first, and then maybe try to downplay or justify my actions. But these girls, they try to downplay the severity and resort to name calling and gaslighting without ever saying sorry once.

How can I hold my ground in situations like this?

>>33292890 (OP)
Aren't you already doing it by informing them that their behaviour is incorrect?
Simply don't change your mind or pretend to agree with them.

I think first would be to accept that they're another person. Second is to forgive their actions and then do what is best for yourself in the situation. If you and your best friend resorted to this exchange without a reciprocal understadnding and acceptance of both behaviors, then there wouldn't be a friendship for long. Same with women, maybe even moreso given the level of relationship. Take care, mein nigga

>>33292921
>Aren't you already doing it by informing them that their behaviour is incorrect?
It leads to very nasty situations
>>33292935
Thank you, my brother in Christ. This was very refreshing to read

>>33292890 (OP)
Could you give an example of these situations? What kind of outrageous, unethical kind of things are you talking about?

I suspect you're huge autists who starts bitching at normie women for not being trad enough or something, with no tact, and then they call you an incel and tell you to fuck off

>>33292982
No friend, that is not the case

I will give you specific examples that I'm upset about

Once a friend of mine broke up with her boyfriend and turned that guy into a villain. She asked her girl friends to literally harass that guy by sending him rude messages. She narrated this incident to me as if she was proud of this.

Another time a girl and her friends did illicit drugs in front of me. Maybe this is normal in your culture but it is not normalized for me. I didn't insult her or use any harsh words. I just said she should have asked my consent before doing this. And she doubled down calling me a bigot, insulting our religion (I don't actually believe in god, but she thinks I am trying to police her on religious grounds). The reaction was very uncalled for. She could have just said sorry and I'd still like her.

Some other examples are being racist, cheating in university, etc.

>>33293032
Also, badmouthing people, and gossiping about really bad stuff. They somehow think I'll support their beliefs and root for them in this situations

But no means am I saying all women bad. I think I just happened to stumble upon people like that me.

sounds like you are hanging out with some pretty low quality people, but what do I know, i don't really have female friends.

>>33292890 (OP)
>And when I say (politely) that this isn't okay
Why would you say that tho? Women are not like men, they don't want solutions to their problems, they just want you to listen to them talk about their problems. The best thing you can do is ignore her or tell her to shut up or leave.

>>33293320
You'll be surprised how common these bad behaviours are among your average office/uni circles. No one is perfect, but it can be so difficult to form meaningful relationships if you have a strict sense of morality but you see the people you are supposed to like doing bad things and not apologizing.

Have you ever been to a party where girls start suddenly saying vile, disgusting gossip and think it's funny or quirky?

>>33294724
nope! don't go to parties :p

>>33292890 (OP)
>it's wrong and irrational to make a judgement about an entire gender
That is not entirely irrational as you might think. Stereotypes exist for a reason, anon. Now for women, they never grow up and are stuck with the mentality of a teenage girl for the rest of their life. They operate on emotions - they do what ever feels right in the moment. A sense of responsibility and the idea that actions have consequences is not existent inside their head. Reasoning is something a female is not capable of. Surely not all women are like this, but the majority are.

>zero personal accountability
There, you said it yourself too. They are children.

>How to hold ground?
It really depends. Are these people family related? Longtime friends? Work colleagues? Casual contacts?
I wouldn't invest much time into explaining to an adult female which actions are good or bad and why, because most of your time would be wasted, since they are mentally incapable of self reflection and would rather lash out emotionally because this is the only thing that their little ape brain is capable of. They would hear you talk, but would not listen and wouldn't not understand a single word you say. If you like, explain your position in a few sentences, but don't engage in a full discussion if they are in a state of anger or occupied with similar drama. Simply don't let it get to you.

>>33293032
>doing drugs
Also, maybe it's time to turn your life around and make better decision about the people you hang around with and how you spend your time?

>>33293032
>Another time a girl and her friends did illicit drugs in front of me.
stop making judgements about "women" when what you mean is "junkies are horrible people"

>>33292890 (OP)
Don't even give them attention. Modern women do walk around thinking their shit doesn't smell like shit.

>>33292890 (OP)
>Giving women attention
lol
lmao even
the modern woman is a disaster
not sure why anyone would interact with them intentionally.

>>33299421
This was one of many examples tho. He didn't say all women are doing drugs.

Anyhow, women suck nowadays. I blame weak fathers, lack of role models and a hypersexualised society. Women have been turned into retarded whores who have no purpose, no aspiration, no self-esteem. They think their vagina can bring them far in life, but this is where they are wrong and will most likely cause their downfall.

>>33294724
i think guys do something similar too occasionally. not gossip but still vile sex talk around friends, just depends on the crowd really. very crass / vulgar people exist in both genders, whether a lot more women are like that than men, i do not know, but probably some amount more. certainly there are more upright and principled men, but even these have their girl equivalents, maybe not as principled, but more brave and open about it.

>>33293032
>>33293042
>I just happened to stumble upon people like that
That's actually a you problem, not muh misbehaving wahmen's. Stop hanging out with shitty people and do some self reflection