I believe that genetic determinism is real. If you are ugly there's no way a girl would genuinely love you as a life partner and father of her kids. If Chad appeared in her life she would leave you for him as he is the better man.

Am I jaded and wrong? Or am I unfortunately right?

>>33306950 (OP)
I used to be an alcoholic drug addicted club crawler and you wouldn't believe how many guys like this there are. They're 6'3" with hair like a shampoo commercial and a jawline that can cut glass. They're also daydrinking cokeheads on welfare who dropped out of high school, never had a job in their whole life and their only skill is superficial charm resulting from constant female validation since age 13 when they shot up to adult height over the course of one summer vacation. Their girlfriends are invariably beautiful, younger, college educated, financially well off stacies from rich families who binge drink and snort marching powder once a month. They tolerate Chad being a "manchild" that leeches off them just fine until they outgrow the clubs (ie start feeling old next to the pre-wall girls) and get the itch for kids in their 30s. Then Chad gets another. Chad does this until he's 40. These guys really live like those lovable immature womanizer Hollywood characters in entertainment. It really is a different universe for them. Average or below guys increasingly just give up on relationships for good reason. She will never lust after you like she did for that deadbeat junkie no matter how much you make or how responsible you are or whatever else if you're average. Not to even speak of the poor bastards who are short, go bald early, keep a babyface, etc. Nothing can help them at all. Life is a beauty contest, that's all.

>>33306950 (OP)
Chad is "better" at featuring in advertisements, that's really all. He is better at nothing else, and actually worse at some things.

>>33306950 (OP)
bro where do you think you came from? Are both your parents super models and/or rock stars? or are they just sort of more or less average?

This fuckin meme that anyone who's not at least 8/10 will never be with a girl and/or find true love is such internet nonsense. Your looks are the least of your problems.

>>33307025
I don't need to be an 8. I just wish I was at least a 5.

>>33306950 (OP)
I have a high personal morale. I believe I am the best, and I make sure others know that. People don't talk down to me because propaganda fucking works, and I make propaganda for myself. Chad? Chad feels insecure next to me because he thinks I have some secret sauce that he doesn't have, but he doesn't know that it's all in his head. Dudes way better-looking than me have confronted me over their girls talking to me, not flirting, not anything, just talking, because they really do believe I fuck almost every female I meet. It's bullshit, but they believe it. It may never get me more women, though I think I've snagged some just because of this, but I will never feel lesser than Chad.

>>33306950 (OP)
The fuck are you talking about? Have you seen the couples that walk around in public on the reg? If they aren't bland af, they look like the product of an incest hate fuck or a lab accident. They're "normal" people even. :^)

>>33306950 (OP)
Nah, it's more like status, exposure/peacocking, and timing.

>>33306950 (OP)
same goes for the opposite sex, if a man finds another woman attractive or at least more desirable / more fit to accomodate his lifestyle .. he would switch up in a heart beat. i have seen it first hand.
the sad truth of the world is that to hold a loving relationship, you must first befriend and actually be the best friend, letting romance naturally blossom.
very difficult for shut in rejects like myself

I believe that modern dating is entirely a waste of time. What do I gain out of the entire ordeal aside from sex and wasting my money?

>>33307650
Do wolves run in packs?
A foraging mate, confidant***, lover and someone who would protect you as you would them (hopefully).. aside from
having another human to enjoy emotionally, mentally and physically. also doesnt hurt if they match efforts to keep an abode in tidy shape.
i think thats called a "family" , but i could be wrong.

>>33307662
>Do wolves run in packs?
Do wolves put up with retarded dating bullshit? No.

>A foraging mate, confidant***, lover and someone who would protect you as you would them (hopefully).. aside from
Lmao. About the only real tangible benefit is going to be combined incomes and greater financial security.

>having another human to enjoy emotionally, mentally and physically. also doesnt hurt if they match efforts to keep an abode in tidy shape.
You can get the same effect just having close friends, which is going to be easier to make than finding a partner that won't drop you for a retarded reason later in life.

>>33306950 (OP)
The genetic determinism bit is the most retarded thing about the blackpill "ideology". Its mental poison that doesn't help you accomplish anything. Stop hanging around these peoples youtube channels and group chats. Its worse than a waste of time.

>>33307650
Its better to have loved and lost than to have never loved at all.

>>33307734
Nah, it's better to keep my money and shit to myself than bother with retards.

>>33306969
>>33306950 (OP)
I don't get you, what is this "she will never lust for you" -thing? I only find it more erotic.

And this is hilarious because I am fairly normal person and occasionally (c. 1 time in 2 years) get women saying how they like me sexually and am then disappointed. I should tell them to pretend they hate me and make it feel rape-like, but I haven't dared yet. Should I? Will women be putt off by this?

>>33307726
>The genetic determinism bit is the most retarded thing
You got a better take i'd love to hear it
>short
>bellow average face
>seemingly missing whatever part of the brain makes you function socially beyond the basic level. not even "oh i'm 23 and have no friends". haven't had actual friends since grade/middle school
then you get guys that are tall, good looking, and sociable. if this isn't pre-determinism, i don't know what to tell you.

More of a side-note, but genetic pre-determinism or not, it's hard to ignore the fact that she's still not going to really love you regardless. Every women has her ex horror stories, and all she's saying possibly without even realizing it, is "i let him get away with shit you wouldn't even dare try".

>>33307025
Parents grew up in a time period where mens standards were far lower and women were encouraged/forced to find a guy before the age of 21 or be considered a hag or whatever the termology was back then. You could find a girl still, but she won't respect you, or see you as a man, she'll just use you tell she finds a better guy then it's done.

The world is a totally different ballgame nowadays. Society encourages hypergamy. In the past it didn't.

>>33307803
I like the phrase: we work twice as hard for women worth half as much.

>>33307734
As someone who had a relationship that lasted like a month eleven years ago I'll say to love and lost is worse. By a lot. One you just fantasize what it might be like. The other you know what it's like. And if its positive it just makes the whole thing more vengeful and depressing

>>33307815
Hoeflation is a bitch.

>>33307688
A wolf might run in a pack, but we are lions. And the lion does what to the small wolf when it barks up nonsense?

>>33306950 (OP)
Not all women are awful yet, despite the media's best efforts and the general state of the world.
Try to find a good one while they still exist.

>>33306950 (OP)
Yes society is run by a sexual selection process favoring certain traits. But there's a problem: our intelligence. We might be put here to be worker drones and stepping stones for normies but we don't have to live that way.

>>33307797
Your genes can express a human in trillions of ways. You are one of those gene expressions. There's no such thing as an exact, specific, fixed end result of genetics. The notion is absurd; you can see it doesn't happen and nature wouldn't work at all with any kind of fixed copypasta shit.

Of course you are a retard, because your parents were retards. I can see it from your posts. But nobody on this planet can tell you exactly what kind of specific retard you are. The pool of retardness is vast.

>>33307835
If you are over 21 this becomes incredibly difficult as the years go on. By the time you are over 25 it's essentially over. By 30 it's absolutely over.

>>33307897
if youre sub5 its already over

>>33307874
Not sure what point you're trying to make. None of what you said answers the point of "one person is born one way, another person is born another way". That's pre-determinism.

>>33306950 (OP)
You’re stupid and wrong

>>33307803
>duuuuuh world is different
FFS, you retards are truly pathetic

>>33307911
The point: You are vastly overestimating your (or humanity's) ability to accurately predict the result of that "pre-determinism". In reality things with genetics are mostly/very random.

Sure, a diligent research can find you are slightly more likely to develop some type of cancer than others. But that's pretty much it. Research isn't done. Participate in it if you're so obsessed with it?

Most likely; your inferiority is mostly bad reasoning, lack of father, lack of exercise and media-manufactured homosexuality.

>>33307953
I think you're giving my post a lot more depth than it warrants. I wasn't talking about predictability or some other scientific bit. I just made the point that the blackpill is right in saying that some are born fuckable and some are just born shit.

also worth pointing out, i don't think it's solely genetics either. you get shit like fetal alcohol syndrome for example.

>Most likely; your inferiority is mostly bad reasoning, lack of father, lack of exercise and media-manufactured homosexuality.
short and ugly obviously not this. the mental issues you could maybe argue, but given how far back it goes and comparing to other people in similar situations, i'm pretty sure there's some element of faulty wiring upstairs.

>>33307734
Propoganda I'm not falling for

>>33307953
>Research isn't done. Participate in it if you're so obsessed with it?
Where nigga the only people doing any actual research nowadays are the Chinese

>>33306950 (OP)
nah brah I saw a dude die the other day on the road
car accident
the dude was very ugly and her wife came some 20 minutes later and cried as if she lost the most important thing in her life
and she was average looking
women can love an ugly guy
thing is most ugly guys into the blackpill want a 8/10 gf and cry they're never getting a chance with them but they never put themselves on her shoes
if you're an 8/10 dude why would you give a chance to a 3/10 girl to date when you have so much better options?
just date a girl a couple points around your score, genuine love can be had, it's not that hard
blackpillers think a chad will fuck their gfs and that's not the case
I'm 6,5/10 and I don't even glance at girls below 5/10
so there are numberless girls for you guys, you just don't want them and have developed a very lame excuse to not even try your luck with them.

>>33311046
>as if she lost the most important thing in her life
Dawg

>>33306950 (OP)
Just touch grass and log off, or at least don't pay any attention to bp content when you're online. Obv, if you are genuinely ugly you will have a tougher go at women, we're not all Don Draper. But whenever I go out into the world, I see looksmatched couples that are anywhere on the "looks spectrum".

>>33312741
and to add.. their isn't anything valuable about bp "knowledge", most of it is confirmation bias and bizarrely autistic rambling like "oofy doofy" theory. Its a series of thought patterns that only harm you.

>>33306950 (OP)
you're right because biological reality is unfair. in most cases, women aren't willing to pass up on a chad, especially in the modern age where they have no need to "try" and connect to a non-chad man.

>>33311202
she came with her kids, the kids usually become the most important thing in their life once they are born
both parents know this and accept this as it's just a natural and normal part of life.
yet she screamed and cried as if she lost them all or something
it was really sad.
the dude was very ugly tho, I wouldn't have stopped over there to see the whole scene unfold if it wasn't for the fact that I immediately though about blackpillers online when I saw the wife arrive, traffic was reestablished shortly after

>>33307815
that's just false because their pussy is worth more than salary unless it's multi millions

a homeless man is a bum
a homeless woman has rent or college paid for between her legs

>>33313046
i said women, not sex.

>overcoming the black pill

literally go outside your fucking room and walk around retard. You will see hot girls with mid guys and hot guys with mid girls fucking everywhere.

>>33307818
I had a relationship for a decade and still lost. I don't regret it, nor do I feel resentment. I liked who I was when I was in love, and I will be again, but first I have learned to love myself for who I am. You can do it, anon.

>>33307897
This isn't true. This is an excuse to not try, and it's defeatist.

>>33307897
My grandfather (born in late 1920s) didn't get married until he was 30. Between ages 17 - 30 he attended the naval academy, the korean war, and played major league baseball. He returned to his home state and got set up on a blind date with my grandmother and they were married for like 60 years.
bp'ers obsession with high school, i.e. "if you didn't get a girl by age 15 your fucked" is one of biggest loser projections I've ever heard. Absurd and extremely online.

>>33312811
Let this and my experience be a lesson to you faggots. Women can love you for you, even if you're not chad. Being insecure is how I ruined it with a woman that genuinely loved me and thought the world of me, even though I was not the best-looking guy she could have and I was a jobless loser. She loved me even then, and I fucked it up because I hated myself so much that I couldn't believe someone else could love me. Don't do this to yourselves, and be kind to your girls. Being insecure about chad taking your girl is a self-fulfilling prophecy.

>>33306950 (OP)
>If Chad appeared in her life she would leave you for him as he is the better man.
It's not really a problem. Many women got pumped and dumped and learned that Chads will never commit anyway so they won't leave you just to be a part of some other man's harem.

If you believe it is all genetics, and an ugly person who has been bred from ugly people are here, then you are wrong.

Do you believe in gods, in having an immortal soul?
Of course not. That's cope.

It's not only genetic determinism.

It's Determinism, period.

You live in a material world and you are made of flesh and blood, like the rest of the animals.

Free will is an illusion, a cruel joke from our material brains. You will be awakened at some point, if you are not.

Hope this helps.

>>33307897
I would rather say by your late 20s it basically becomes so difficult it's not worth it. Even less so if you have no experience or were not interested until your late 20s and 30s like me. I basically don't know how to navigate finding a relationship, I'm stuck in my ways and prefer it like that, most women my age are unattractive, have multiple kids, weird issues or a laundry list of requirements. On top of that I don't want to fake who I am just to get some chick to go out with me to some bullshit activity I would never do on my own. Forget sex entirely, I can jerk off for free and it doesn't require any wasted effort on my part.

Maybe I'm just bitter because I missed easy layups in my early 20s but right now I just don't care. I'm not going to waste money on the few crumbs of women off dating apps doing shit I don't like for the prospect of an ongoing relationship that barely benefits me and just adds stress to my life.

>>33312756
Oofy Doofy theory is legit though

>>33313253
How do you know she loved you

>>33313400
Why not just find a woman in her early 20s whos mature for her age

inb4
>Woman
>Early 20s
>Mature

Yes, there are young people who are generally more mature than their peers. And they would likely prefer to be with someone more their speed as long as the gap is not unreasonably large (I'd say >10 years). Besides, if she's not the perfectly complete mature woman you want her to be yet can't you just mold her into that? Isn't that kind of the whole thing

>>33313253
>Being insecure about chad taking your girl is a self-fulfilling prophecy.
This should be stickied.

>>33306950 (OP)
This niggas dropping to their own reasoning lmao

>>33306950 (OP)
what is ugly? is it a fact of reality or only in your head? does an orangutan think a human is ugly?

>>33314190
Anyone that isn't an instagram or porn model. I mean look at all these dudes that say they have no options, claiming they have no life experience beyond their jobs , go off on these feminine rants about
>muh standards muh settling
Once you tell them you can still get married after 28/30/ whatever

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/ugqI2bP-n8s

black pill ideology has been worse for men than actual women and feminism

>>33315305
It feels like it was deliberately crafted to cause maximum psychological damage. But on the other hand if you believe some shit that is so EASILY disproven by going outside you kind of deserve your fate.

>>33313824
>Why not just find a woman in her early 20s whos mature for her age
lmao, that does not exist, also awkward generational gap.

>Besides, if she's not the perfectly complete mature woman you want her to be yet can't you just mold her into that? Isn't that kind of the whole thing
too much effort for basically no gain. i've been single my entire life, that's easier than having to put up with childish games and drama for a crumb of intimacy/closeness/pussy. further, i genuinely don't find most women attractive on dating apps to even bother liking/messaging. even out in public most of the time they're just out of my league or i only feel a small amount of physical attraction to them, nothing else.

that's not even mentioning that you're going to have to speedrun through multiple women before you find one that's not completely retarded (if i could even get that far) and basically treat dating as a full time job. i already work a full time job and i don't need nor want that stress. i want to finish work, jerk off, play games or tinker with my guns/launchers and relax, not put up with drama because i decided to do something i enjoyed instead of pleasing her in some way.

>>33306950 (OP)
All the good looking women who would make great wives and mothers are taken in high school and college the latest. Whatever remains is taken shortly after they enter the workforce. There exist very few good looking (7 and above) women that are single and have a good heart, are modest, raised in a decent family, soft spoken and pretty. The window of opportunity when they are single is very very narrow. These are the 2% of women, the highest stock of females this wonderful creation can offer. If you don't frequent their circles or the events they attend you have no chance of meeting them. Women also don't go anywhere alone, so whatever hobbies women have or events they attend it is done with their husband or boyfriend and if they are single with their groups of friends.

tldr; there simply aren't enough single good looking young white women to go around for everybody, they are rare and exist mostly in very niche places where men without social circles (loners) can't get in to

>>33315660
this is why lots of white men are wifing up Latinas

>>33315335
>It feels like it was deliberately crafted to cause maximum psychological damage.
indeed

>>33313046
It's not false because we're talking about actual value not the hypothetical superficial value some women can get out of their twat because of desperate men. This is like arguing that good food never existed or mattered because people still pay for fake shit. No one fucking cares that's not the point. Women of the past were objectively healthier physically and mentally when obesity and body/mind altering meds were less common. Women of the past were easier to deal with when the cancerous psyop that is feminism/female supremacy/misandry was less common and had less time to fester in the population. Pre sexual revolution women were better options or bets as long term partners without the diseases, bastards and attachments to exes. It's actually extremely generous to say they're half as valuable partner wise now. But yeah men are expected to work for really shitty entitled women as if we're still in the 1800s and these women are much much higher quality. Because it wasn't enough for their parents and the actual world government to groom them to be much lower value as partners, they had to give them massive egos too. The men are not only expected to keep working as if these women are great wives or friends when they're clearly not but working to compensate for the women working against or sabotaging the men and themselves with zero good justification. Women don't see men with lacking genes respecting them or earning as much or less than them as hot, this will only ever maybe be said as a form of shameless virtue signaling. The results don't show attraction or actual respect for this behavior. Women can't be corrected either because that's too much like patriarchy. Better to be "free", fat, funky and failing at life than to listen to or benefit a non chad or non murderous man. Women would literally rather get tortured and die early than listen to the right men.

>>33306950 (OP)
What's the equivalent of blackpill for women?

>>33316459
Chad won't stop fucking a bunch of women just for her and the ugly guy they get with for money and the pretend bf/husband experience as a cope isn't richer or more devoted to her because she's competing with him for jobs, he's not born lucky enough and he's jerking his inadequate dick to porn.

>>33313316
How you not believe free will exists in 2025 is, frankly beyond retarded.
The human intellect can judge and deliberate.
The will follows reason, and is not determined by instinct or coercion.
Moral responsibility and divine justice presuppose freedom.
"Man has free will; otherwise counsels, exhortations, commands, prohibitions, rewards, and punishments would be in vain"
- St. Thomas Aquinas

>>33307734
what this anon said below
>>33307818
I still think about a girl I dated 17 years ago daily. Some things just never seem to heal, I wish I could rip out those memories from my mind. Virgins probably think they have it the worst but at least they don't have to deal with trauma of a failed relationship.

>>33306950 (OP)
Mfers realising that genetics exist. No shit we all look slightly different.
However unless you look like an actual retard or have had half your face blown off/survived a dog attack/chemical burns/etc, you are literally fine.

>>33317202
The quote is simply reminding us to recall the good memories which wouldn't exist if you didn't have that relationship. Ofc it not working out is painful. All of you completely missed the point. lmao.

>>33307649
>you must first befriend and actually be the best friend, letting romance naturally blossom.
I agree with you on this, but the state of social/dating dynamics between men and women makes its a terrible strategy. You could become the best friend of the girl of your dreams and invest 5 years of your life into her, just for her to never like you back or marry a dude she knew for 6 months.

in fact, it is the psychology of women that prevents this from working. women decide whether a guy is fuckable/datable or friend material within literally the first few exchanges. if a girl wants to genuinely be your friend and not your "friend" then there's probably no chance she's gonna turn the other cheek until she's been pump and dumped 30 times and NOW she's ready to settle for you.

>>33316459
realizing that they'll never get the guys they're actually attracted to, to actually commit to them.
society and the attention they get taught them that they all deserve their dream guy, and they aren't ready for the fact that it will not happen for 99% of them.

>>33306950 (OP)
>black pill
I remember watching that video years ago. The guy basically summed up millennial chick preferences and the early days of tinder. First, we are not like their boomer fathers that had car, "real job" and house by 23 and plenty of disposable income. The millennial chick "princesses" mostly grew up with fathers that had their own house, their second or third car before they were teenage girls and holidays.

Boomers are the TV and me generation and distanced themselves from socialising with the wider community unlike their parents. For them it was the "TV life" and their "favourite people". That attitude had been instilled in millennial females which basically formed them into "princesses"

With the financial crisis of 2007/2008 and thereafter a considerable number millennial guys did not achieve the car, "real house" and job by 23. As such millennial "princesses" on the advise of their boomer parents and whatever chick shows were in vogue ostracised a lot of millennial guys. They pursued guys that had those prerequisites of a bygone era. Oofie doofies maxed out their credit cards to keep appearances.

They tend to be girls with little to no libido so they "need" guys that look like models to have something of a sexual response. They also tend to be a very anxious type of girl that basically grovels to society to accept their choices. At times having a double life just to cope with it, even if badly.

The blackpill I would say is not a genetic issue, its an perception issue dictated by boomer curated society, trended by social media and millennial chicks trying to signal they are cool girls that do cool girl things.

>>33306950 (OP)
ok, so you wanna get over the blackpill? let me show you.

first, blackpill is a coping mechanism. it makes you feel safer to believe in it because if you stop believing it and something happens that would have aligned with it, you would get very hurt. blackpill prevents you from getting hurt

but as you've realised, thinking like this isn't entirely good for you all the time, is it? so you're wondering is there a way of getting over it. well, there is.

what you really want to do is give yourself more evidence against it than you can find for it. if your brain ever suspects that evidence against is stronger than evidence for, it will switch up beliefs like bitcoin when a longer blockchain becomes available.

i want you to take a sheet of paper and make a table where you put down, in your own life "evidence for" and "evidence against". then write down everything you can in it.

the rules:
1. you are not allowed to assume anything.
2. you are not allowed to try and explain anything within the table.
3. everything must be from your OWN LIFE. (ie no movies/posts/studies, but people you know are allowed in).

do this for as much as you can; ideally 3/5+ things on each side, but go as far as you can.

now, when you reach the end, there will be one of two outcomes.

1) the evidence for blackpill significantly outweighs the evidence against
2) the evidence for blackpill does not significantly outweigh evidence against.

in case 1, your beliefs are valid (at this point in time). you are "unfortunately right" (but it won't necessarily be like this forever, although at the moment, it is).

in case 2, congratulations! you've made yourself a little info graphic to look at whenever you see the thoughts getting to you.

>>33318988
i will also say that a lot of the effect of blackpill content is emotional rather than logical; part of the appeal of blackpill content to me back in the day was the feeling of resonation. i found that listening to people's personal stories gave me the same feeling of connection but without needing to hear the parts that reaffirmed the ideology itself; that make sense? i'd say for every 1 second of blackpill content it takes 60-100 seconds of blankness to undo the emotional effects.

>>33315597
I feel the same way at 34. I make 6 figures and own a house. It just seems like a giant risk. Everything I've worked for can just disappear because of some person I let into my life. Not gonna happen. To be honest I really don't like to be around people in the first place. I never felt any enjoyment from being around others

>>33306950 (OP)
>Am I jaded and wrong? Or am I unfortunately right?
You're closer to the truth, but your journey remains incomplete.

>>33318988
I don't agree with the BP ideology, but this is retarded. This is saying "but anecdotes >>>> stats!!!"

Yes, having a retard field to have fun basically telling you to embrace the absurdity of hope in the face of facts is the only real response, but that isn't hte same as "nuh uh, I don't see it"

>>33318585
I got a couple more. They statistically hurt and kill themselves more than the minority of men they complain about and use to generalize men. And if they actually took the advice of the men they hate then their lives would be so much better it would be unbelievable to see a before and after. Not even just talking about "babe we should fuck more often" but things like losing weight/doing exercise or not going out with "friends" to fuck around and drink alcohol they literally biologically can't handle the same as men. Alcohol alone kills many times more women per year than straight up homicides committed by men btw. Again they would rather keep spiting men even if it means torturing and killing themselves. When you really think about it a creature would have to be groomed and mind controlled by an evil government or otherwise to be so unlikeable and suicidal. But then where's the opposite power intervening, why is it allowed? Because muh free will? They're spawn camping so that excuse doesn't work.

>>33320264
>They statistically hurt and kill themselves more than the minority of men they complain about and use to generalize men hurt or kill them*

>Man has free will; otherwise counsels, exhortations, commands, prohibitions, rewards, and punishments would be in vain
He is right, unfortunately.

Check Ecclesiastes 1:1-18

>>33307734
No it's fucking not.

>>33315335
>But on the other hand if you believe some shit that is so EASILY disproven by going outside you kind of deserve your fate.

T. Doesn't go outside.

>>33320558
>Has free will
>Gets attacked and forced into bad situations before they can start to pronounce free will
Oh yeah baby you feel all that freedom? Oh wait that's just AIDS

I used to be an alcoholic drug addicted club crawler and you wouldn't believe how many guys like this there are. They're 6'3" with hair like a shampoo commercial and a jawline that can cut glass. They're also daydrinking cokeheads on welfare who dropped out of high school, never had a job in their whole life and their only skill is superficial charm resulting from constant female validation since age 13 when they shot up to adult height over the course of one summer vacation. Their girlfriends are invariably beautiful, younger, college educated, financially well off stacies from rich families who binge drink and snort marching powder once a month. They tolerate Chad being a "manchild" that leeches off them just fine until they outgrow the clubs (ie start feeling old next to the pre-wall girls) and get the itch for kids in their 30s. Then Chad gets another. Chad does this until he's 40. These guys really live like those lovable immature womanizer Hollywood characters in entertainment. It really is a different universe for them. Average or below guys increasingly just give up on relationships for good reason. She will never lust after you like she did for that deadbeat junkie no matter how much you make or how responsible you are or whatever else if you're average. Not to even speak of the poor bastards who are short, go bald early, keep a babyface, etc. Nothing can help them at all. Life is a beauty contest, that's all.

>>33319002
Exactly. Like what is there to gain for us? I like being around friends, but I also see like my one good friend, his gf can be hormonal at times and straight up irrational. I don't know how he puts up with it, it would drive me nuts with someone acting like a child over something as simple as where to eat for dinner. I'm thankful at least I have good friends I enjoy talking to that seem to put up with me at least. I think if I didn't have anyone to talk to or hang out with (even if they're on the opposite side of the state) I'd probably have blown my brains out awhile ago.

>To be honest I really don't like to be around people in the first place. I never felt any enjoyment from being around others
Kinda the same way. I don't mind being around friends, but there's definitely a time limit where after a couple days I gotta be by myself to recharge. I couldn't imagine being around someone near 24/7 without some sort of respite, I'd go insane.

If you're asking then you aren't black pilled. If you where you'd understand that it's all bullshit and nothing will ever help you.

>>33321318
The pointless drama and pretty much guaranteed lack of actual love or loyalty isn't mentioned beforehand because if it was there would be no relationships formed. It's just lying to and tricking farm animals into doing things that harm them at this point.

>>33313819
Because she stuck longer than she should have with me. I didn't have a job. I was massively depressed and never got out of bed. I fapped to loli porn, and spent her money. I was such a fucking loser, but I didn't want to openly admit it, even though I knew. If I had asked her for help when this first started, she would have helped me, but I didn't do that. Instead I yelled at her, threatened her, accused her, and became pretty much the image of the abusive, deadbeat, scumbag boyfriend. If I had only been more humble, we'd still be together.

>>33324505
>If I had only been more humble, we'd still be together
Or she'd change her mind eventually and be on new dick anyway. You can self improve but you don't get to keep a relationship just for treating her well.

>>33324464
It very much is a humiliation ritual.