I have been trying to work on myself and figure out whats wrong with me. I don't know what you would really call it but I took the gymcel pill ages ago and got strong etc. However, I still am autistic and suffer from jealousy about people in relationships. I see even teenagers walking down the street holding hands and it upsets me. Mostly because I am 33 and still haven't felt such a thing. It drives me nuts because I will see women I think who are attractive with men who I sort of size up. "Oh, that guy looks exceptionally weak, I could break his arm in front of her and neither would be able to do anything." I find myself gauging the strength of the man the woman is with. This isn't a healthy outlook to have but I don't know how to get over it. I realize I am basically an autistic freak in a muscular body now. Nothing changed mentally about me ever since I started lifting. If anything, I could have mentally and emotionally regressed. Now I just feel like a rabid autistic animal with a muscular form. I hate being autistic and I hate feeling left out of what I perceive to be a critical part of being human. Having never had a girlfriend, its embarrassing when I realize literal teenagers have more relationship experience than me. Just that fact alone almost sends me into a rage. Literal teenagers have more human experience than I. How do I get out of this mess? I thought the gym would save me but now I don't even know.

>>33324121 (OP)
Appreciate the fact that God has protected you from degeneracy, Spitting on virtue and wanting to embrace degeneracy is painful to observe, from every side and every person.

>>33324121 (OP)
>Now I just feel like a rabid autistic animal with a muscular form. I hate being autistic and I hate feeling left out of what I perceive to be a critical part of being human. Having never had a girlfriend, its embarrassing when I realize literal teenagers have more relationship experience than me. Just that fact alone almost sends me into a rage. Literal teenagers have more human experience than I. How do I get out of this mess? I thought the gym would save me but now I don't even know.
We have to accept our place in life, anon. Find bigger mountains to climb before the inevitable death.

>>33324121 (OP)
Congratulations fitizen, you've found out what other /fit/fags have also discovered: you can't lift your way out of autism, and a body and looks aren't everything or a confidence replacement. Now go the fuck to therapy and do some brain lifts.

>>33324303
I never understood therapy. What can they even tell me that would help? In my mind, all of this is my fault obviously which means only I can fix it. What is a therapist going to tell me? "Just stop being autistic." Not saying it doesn't work but I don't see how it does.

>>33324121 (OP)
>How do I get out of this mess?
You dont. This jealousy will always be there.

>>33324358
>. "Oh, that guy looks exceptionally weak, I could break his arm in front of her and neither would be able to do anything." I find myself gauging the strength of the man the woman is with. This isn't a healthy outlook to have but I don't know how to get over it. I realize I am basically an autistic freak in a muscular body now. Nothing changed mentally about me ever since I started lifting. If anything, I could have mentally and emotionally regressed.

This anon. Trying therapy is better than going to jail one day and the autism badge sure beats the excon one

>>33324358
For one thing they break you out of the cognitive loops you end up in, the same ones that led you to thinking that a fit body = relationship in the first place, and are an outside source that keeps you from falling into an echo chamber like here. They also help you find the root of your issues that you're often too blind to see, too unaware to recognize, and too entrenched in to break free from.
>in my mind
Is exactly the issue, that is where you get stuck, and then you come to a place like this which only vindicates your worst, most unproductive thoughts and traits. Therapy isn't going to offer you some magical epiphany that suddenly changes everything, it isn't going to fix anything at all, but it might help you realize that you're not broken, that your thought patterns are unhealthy and come from a particular source that you need to confront, and ultimately it might help you find level ground so you can fix things yourself. They're not going to "tell you" anything, they're going to listen to what you have to say and then help you see what you're saying and thinking for what it really is.

>>33324414
I see what you may mean about cognitive loops. I am a person that sort of suffers from observing certain things and seeing if they sort of prove me right. A big BIG one I had ran into is /r9k/ saying things like "You know women have it easy when it comes to dating right?" Then I will take that thought and apply it to what I see in my own life. I will see the dating apps basically being a barren wasteland if you are a man. I will see women having whole families before the age that I am now with seemingly no difficulty in getting to that point. I will see things like that and use it to confirm a given thought. So in my mind, the statement "Women have it easy when it comes to dating." Is completely true and almost irrefutable to me. However, I realize that other things can be true(or false) as well in that same realm of things. I think I am really good at proving thoughts to myself which may or may not be a good thing. But its how I got into the incel / gymcel pitfall. Even mundane things I'd see on /fit/ like "You know women slack off in the gym right?" Then I will take that thought and confirm. I will see women spend an hour doing light cardio and call it a good workout. See women dicking around with tripods and cameras and doing ass poses for instagram etc. I will see that and then confirm the thought.

>>33324431
Makes sense, you've been a glutton for confirmation bias, and what's worse is that content algorithms will detect that and feed you that shit because you engage with it. The more you look for it, the more you see, the more you engage with it, the more it shows you. That's exactly the kind of thingh a therapist might help you realize and break out of. It's not that you're proving yourself "right", it's that you're feeding your thoughts things that makes it seem real. You get fat when you feed the sugar-craving loop, you get blackpilled when you feed the negative-self-image loop. Therapy could help bring you down from all of those seemingly vindicating observations and experiences, and let you see that your outward-focused beliefs are largely sourced from inward turmoil. They won't tell you who to be or what's real or not, they'll help you see who you are and what's actually going on for yourself.

>>33324121 (OP)
99-100 percent of the relationships you see won't last, involve cheating or other deception or will end up loveless if it does last. It's a "normal" part of being human but we're long past the point where relationships with women are good for or necessary for men.

>>33324453
I see what you mean. I think ultimately I would yield to whatever the reality of a given conclusion is. Like if its REALLY true that women have it easier in dating, then I would take that conclusion. If the opposite is true, then I would take that conclusion. The issue I ultimately have is confirming the reality. I will definitely come to my own conclusions of "Is this real enough?" But I really wish I knew for sure because then my own mind wouldn't have a leg to stand on. I find I am arguing to myself about the reality of a given stance a lot. Like one thing I don't believe but a stance that a lot of people in the incel / gymcel realm have is that women are evil and manipulative completely. I personally don't believe that because I have met women who were kind to me and have come across many women who weren't like that. Basically, I don't believe that stance is the reality. So I can let that stance go. Other stances seem way more "real" and thats where my hang up is.

>>33324491
It's one thing to see something as accurate or factual, and quite another thing as to what you do with that information, how you let it shape your worldview, and in this case your self-image. Fact and perception aren't mutually exclusive, they're intertwined to the point that we have a very strict and standardized approach to science that control for the inherent biases of our individual perceptions altering the results and conclusions. Your issue might be what you see as real, sometimes you get fed so much of one thing that you become blind or skeptical to arguments against it, but most of the time I think the issue is how you see it moreso, and that's just what therapy is for. Again, they're not going to tell you right from wrong, factual from incorrect, they're going to help you deeply self-criticize, analyse, and understand what you believe, why you believe it, amd what it means to you. It's not about rewriting reality, it's about understanding it more, and seeing it more clearly without the haze of your bias clouding it, or your hyper-focus from blinding you. Seeing the forest for the trees, in a way.

>>33324303
LMAO, studies have shown that physical exercise is literally as effective as if not more effective than psychotherapy in treating depression.