Any time I make a friend with a woman it's usually because I'm not attracted to them but they always want to us to be more than just friends. I find that they might be something wrong with them because they don't have a social circle of women or the very least have women that want to hang out with them regularly, so they don't have any other woman to set me up with. The girls I do want to talk to or in hopes I they might have friend who's single, I am blocked by an imaginary wall because they look at me funny.

It often is, yes, but it usually takes months or years to pay off.
Personally I say just join a dance class, art class or pilates class.

>>33325663
>when you're the 1 neckbeard in a pilates class of 20 women

>>33325657 (OP)
>these guys don't see women as people they could be friends with
I literally don't metaphysically understand this canned line. I'm a man, men pursue friendship with me, I don't care. I like women and I pursue sex with them.
I tried the whole talk to women like they are guys thing and most of them HATE it

>>33325670
You're seriously overreacting. There are almost always at least 2-3 other guys there. Plus if you're really worried, just keep headphones in your ears immediately before and after the class and head straight out home a few times, or stick straight to your phone. After a few classes, people will think you're not just there for poon.

>>33325657 (OP)
Becoming friends with somebody because you want to weasel your way into their pants once you've ingratiated yourself with them isn't going to work because it's manipulative and retarded. The ones you're attracted to can see through the fake intentions, or they're on guard for exactly what you're doing because they've dealt with beta orbiter creeps before who don't actually want to be friends. Just generally being a cool person who's honest about himself and what he wants, makes friends naturally and not out of ulterior motives, isn't desparate for pussy, and wants to make friends with people he actually clicks with to expand his social circle? That works. Does it work for getting women? It does and doesn't. There is no "strategy" to play, live your life and have higher priorities than thinking cock-forward, ask out the girls you want to ask out without trying to be coy or sly about it, and carry the fuck on. Desperation and slimy behavior won't help you.

>>33325676
>I tried the whole talk to women like they are guys thing and most of them HATE it
I've tried it too, what I've come learn is after a few days of bringing a girl along to just hang out and chill with the rest of the guys, they start to playing games saying shit like "Oh, I'm sorry I need to know a head of time, I'm busy" Like what the fuck? They act like we're dating or some shit.

>>33325697
That doesn't seem very guaranteed. I think women have an almost guaranteed method in getting a partner: Be good looking and men will flock. And a good 70% of women at least can become good looking.

Seems a bit unfair, doesn't it?

>>33325657 (OP)
Consider who it's coming from...

What kinds of things do women frequently enjoy from male platonic friends...

>>33325717
>JD vance wife
What are you getting at

>>33325715
Guarantneed? Fair? Who the fuck told you anything in life was guaranteed or fair? You could do everything right all the time and still not get what you're after, there are no guarantees, fair only matters in sports and nowhere else, and having those kinds of expectations will only lead you to disappointing yourself. You choose what you do, not what you get. You control you, not anyone or anything else, and you're owed absolutely nothing. Start from there and work your way up until you're gracious and unassuming.

>>33325748
Because if we admit it's not fair, we might as a society repeal laws allowing freedom for women, which would uiltimately make things more fair?

>>33325657 (OP)
Maybe a few female friends did make me meet a atheistic women when they knew I'm religious/spiritual. That's all. So now I'm reminded that I did more to women and men to make them meet than women did it to me. Another reason to blame them.

>>33325816
I had the same thing happen to me in high school. The girls knew was fit, and an atheist. So what they do? Set me up with fat christian girl

Women are the worst matchmakers imaginable.

>>33325748
>You choose what you do, not what you get
If I don't get what I expect from what I do, I'm going to stop doing it. No pussy no work.

>>33325697
>isn't going to work because it's manipulative and retarded
I've seen it work multiple times, wtf are you on about

>>33325807
sexual equity for men when?

>>33325911
It used to be called marriage, yes. And women were either sold into it from their parents or soft-forced into it out of fear of being on the streets because women couldn't get decent work.

>>33325807
Many things in life aren't fair anon, get used to it, nothing is going to change and nobody gives a shit what you like or don't. Again, you control yourself and nothing else. Instead of whining about it or flailing impotently against things you can't change, accept it and live with it. It's not fair that Ubuntu was born in Zimbabwe and you were born in an air-conditioned palace where you have so much food you can kill yourself with it. You and nobody else is bending over backwards to make it fair for him. We can go on all day. Reality is reality, but life is what you make of it.

>>33325919
Ubuntu should be doing everything in his power to urge his government and society to improving things for him.
I'm doing everything in my power to change society and women, and I'm not the only one.

>>33325882
Good luck with that, anon. Unfortunately neither the world nor anyone living in it care about what you expect. Expectations equal disappointment, and it's only your fault at that point.
>>33325899
You've seen a beta orbiter who waited around for his chance to fuck the girl he's obsessed over actually lead to a real and lasting relationship? Gotta doubt that.

>>33325939
The government and society don't give a shit about you or little Ubuntu, sorry anon but you're never getting a government mandated GF. Guess you'll just have to try being an actually decent human being instead

>>33326002
Women go for decent human beings instead of arrogant criminals and druggies?

>>33326007
Women do, yes, among other qualities that makes someone both attractive and a partner. Some girls don't, but most women do. If you're old enough to be here, you're old enough to know better than to bother with immature people or care about what gets you in their pants.

>>33326002
>>33325999
Manosphere is growing in popularity and message by the day.

>>33326030
>Some girls don't
The attractive ones, you mean.

>>33326071
What makes them attractive? Whose idea of attractiveness? Yours? If you like immature girlypop Instagram bitches who date felons and have only fans, that isn't a critique of women, you just have shit taste and no standards.

>>33326094
Let me ask you this: Why is it only the physically attractive women who do shit like starting OnlyFans and sleeping around? Does putting on makeup suddenly turn them into sluts?

>>33326106
Physical attractiveness is subjective, but I can assure they're not, plenty of bitches who could make a mirror and a scale cry are fucking around and making porn content. Makeup doesn't make sluts, no father figure and third wave sexual revolution feminism does. If that kind of woman doesn't meet your standards, that's cool, just choose not to interact with them and worry about finding one you're actually compatible with.

>>33326125
I like physically attractive women: Long hair, slim body, and a bit of eye and face makeup.
Those are the kinds of women I want. If I'm receiving those women as rewards for working hard in society, then I'm going to quit and become a NEET.

>>33326125
I like physically attractive women: Skinny, long hair, young and a touch of eye / face makeup.
And if I'm not receiving those women as rewards for working hard in society, I'm going to become a NEET. As should every man with any balls.

>>33326164
So become a NEET, nobody is stopping you from wasting your life. Trump is gonna take your gibs though, so I hope mom and dad have a free basement for their 300lb tendie boy, otherwise you won't be a NEET you'll just be homeless.

>>33325670
I did this in college. It was actually pretty incredible thinking back about how uncomfortable I probably made the women there, but I was so oblivious to it. I just wanted to do pilates.

>>33325715
>That doesn't seem very guaranteed.
Boo-fucking-hoo, welcome to life nigger. Where the only things "guaranteed" are death and taxes.

>>33326164
>As should every man with any balls.
If you had balls, and were physically attractive yourself (as you demand from them) then you'd have no trouble getting attractive women.
> rewards for working hard in society
Oh? And what hard work for society have you done exactly?

>>33326532
>and were physically attractive yourself
Women shouldn't care about physical appearance in a man. Only men should want a physically attractive partner.
>Oh? And what hard work for society have you done exactly?
I abide by the law and worked hard to get a 6 figure salary. That should literally be enough.

>>33325657 (OP)
>Is "Just make friends with women guys" ever good advice?
Not if romance is your intended goal (it just doesn't work).

The idea that friendships and romances can mix together is virtually a myth, because most people's' friendships stay only that: friends. Whatever friendships they DO turn into something more is often simply the minority of them; the majority of their friendships will just remain platonic.

HOWEVER, most romances tend to start out friendships (or some similar kind of rapport), as it provides some of the necessary context and base needed for a relationship. But again, this only happens with the minority of people's' friendships. For the majority, romances and platonic relationships are two different boundaries that many don't like to cross.

>>33326007
Yes retard.
99% of people date.
You've narrowed your focus on certain women dating certain people and decided youre disqualified.

>>33326706
>Women shouldn't care about physical appearance in a man. Only men should want a physically attractive partner.
kek

>>33325657 (OP)
Yeah, go and do it. It's not going to be enough, but everything helps, and you need every advantage you can get in the shitty modern world.

>>33326773
>99% of people date.
Male loneliness is staggering right now in the West, what the fuck are you talking about?

>>33327072
Where did you get that?
And dont you dare link me something that only shows currently single people because that doesnt mean no one is dating, and dont you also dare show me something thays like "more 20 years olds have never been in a relationship" because thats fucking 20 year olds.
Over lifetime people tend to figure it out.

I would have qualified as an incel like 20 years ago I know what its like. You people utterly chop yourselves off at the knees submersing yourselves in shitty poorly understood stats echo chambers and incel garbage. Dating isnt that complicated.
The 10/10 Stacy probably wont fuck you, and youre right, no one is going to if you live your life behind your computer.

All thats changed is those echo chambers have become more readily available, and you people stay in more and more and act more and more like its hopeless which becomes a self fulfilling prophecy because it means you're all doing less and less that actually would dig you out of that hole.

>>33327106
Correct, 18-35 is the most important age range for men and women.

>>33325663
retard advice
>>33325690
those 2-3 guys are either gay or there just to hit on women, and the women know what theyre trying to do so all you're going to be is another creepy weirdo that's trying to get in their pants. no straight male does pilates.

>>33325657 (OP)
imagine listening to the advice of a loox obsessed, BWC succubi. Lol

>>33326706
>6 figure salary.
THAT'S your reward for your work, dumbass. Your job didn't promise to pay you in gfs. If it's so fucking awful go donate all your money away

>>33325657 (OP)
I've had a lot of female friends, and I've slept with the vast majority of them at some point or another.

Recently I had a bad breakup and told my female friend I've known for 10 years about it, so we got close again, then right after that she had a breakup and she asked to come over, she literally cried on my shoulder, we watched a movie in bed, and of course we slept together. I only have 1 other female friend I have never had sex with, and she's married with a kid now.

This shit just happens. You're a man, she's a woman, you spend time together and like each other, you end up alone somewhere together, things happen, it's just natural. But it shouldn't be your primary goal and you shouldn't catch feelings. You can sleep with them for a while then go back to being friends. I've been to the weddings of several female friends I've fucked and it doesn't bother me.

>>33327892
>Chad considers "friends" women he had sex with
>Meanwhile I can't even hold hands with a girl I like
>>This shit just happens. You're a man, she's a woman
>Has never happened to me despite having had many female friends

>>33327908
I'm not "Chad". You're probably too timid sexually. Do you openly talk/joke about sexual or "inappropriate" topics with your female friends?

>>33327862
kek. White men truly are the most superior specimens on the planet. which woman can even resist them?

>>33327886
>THAT'S your reward for your work, dumbass. Your job didn't promise to pay you in gfs.
I would really love to know where some of these retards work that would've led them to believe they'll be paid in women, because the attitude is stunningly common on this board.
Like was it in their employee handbook or something? What in the world would possibly ever give them this idea.

>>33325697
>The ones you're attracted to can see through the fake intentions
Actually... they cant. Women are terrible at this kind of thing. The cliche about female emotional intelligence is pure wank.

Whether the guy is successful or not is an entirely different story. But she'll go through the entire ordeal thinking that the man is just so interested in her as a friend.

"Setting people up" is dead
Women would rather keep you around as a beta orbiter than see you give other women positive attention
Modernity, especially the fucking PHONES, has gooped and gunked everyone's brains. Intrasexual competition is off the fucking charts and women are unleashed thanks to feminism.
The only thing that comes from a woman's mouth are lies, watch what she does instead

>>33325657 (OP)
it is good advice
--> PROVIDED they don't view you as gay / herbivore.
if they do, it's useless. they won't setup their female friends with you / won't consider you as a possible fuck later.

>>33325939
My God, what a midwit.

if you want to be friends with someone you should be friends with them. many of my friends are women because they happen to be people i want to hang out with, unrelated to their womanness. if you're going "i NEED to be friends with this person so i can GET THING i WANT" it's never gonna be worthwhile for anyone involved

>>33325657 (OP)
Nah, men and women can't be friends.

>>33330679
they absolutely can

>>33325657 (OP)
I am exclusively friends with women and not one of them has ever set me up

>>33330687
>they absolutely can
If the girl is ugly.

I think it depends on the person. I don't really like people in general but women even more so. I'd like to fuck them but hanging out with them is torturous for me and I'm not gonna pretend to be a woman's friend for a slim chance of having sex with her, that's a shitty thing to do anyway.

No and it only works if you're attractive in the first place.

>>33326773
>99% of people date.
99% of stats are entirely made up.

Not interested in having women friends to be honest. I already find most women boring, hell on dating apps I'm so jaded now that even when the attractive chicks unless there's something in common with me I just swipe left. Out of like maybe 25 people I might swipe right once. Forgot about friendship, I already have to deal with women coworkers and it can be exhausting at times.

You know what's not obnoxious and who I don't have to self censor around? My guy friends. I can be drunk as shit in the middle of the forest and shoot guns for a weekend and just be myself. Can't do anything like that with a chick, they literally do not exist.

>>33327892
>This shit just happens.
No, it doesn't lol.

>>33325657 (OP)
I used to know girls in high school. No they won't set you up with their friend if they think you are uncool for their clique. This expands into adulthood as well. Women nowadays seem to be even more precautious and unnecessarily paranoid.

>>33327916
>I'm not "Chad"
You underestimate yourself.