I have a real issue with people that have zero ambition. I can't help it. I find their very existence distressing. I know that I am in the wrong so I would like to fix this.

Also, just to be clear: this has nothing to do with being an empliyed wagie or whatever. Imo you can be a NEET and still have ambitions the same way you can be employed and ambitionless.

It's just about, I guess, curiosity? I really hate when I ask someone what they do all day or what they want to do or what they care about, and the most common answers are: browse the internet/play video games, sleep, nothing. And it's like...if you're going to play video games at least play a new one and set yourself a challenge. Is that crazy?

I have to stop. I know. And I have managed to stifle the impulse well but I want the impulse to go away completely. I want to stop feeling this disgust.

>>33349703 (OP)
I won't read silly, made up, creative writing threads.

>>33350387
Thanks for the bump, faggot ;)

You will find that there are many things about other people you "can't help" in terms of your likes and dislikes, so there's no point in trying to change it. Maybe manage it to a point where you don't inadvertently hurt someone's feelings face to face but you likely won't be able to stop yourself from doing this by force unless it happens to fall away on its own down the line

You probably have less ambition than you desire. Cope, seethe, and mald

>>33350445
I definitely do but I feel like ambition is the wrong wird and it is closer to something such as curiosity
>>33350417
I mean I definitely have suppressed ut enough to not be hurtful I just want to rationalise it away enough that I barely think about it at all ideally

>>33349703 (OP)
I feel saddened by ambitious people who, for the most part, dedicate their lives to vain, pointless endeavors that only reveal themselves as such when it's too late to change anything.

>>33351370
I mean I understand that I am in the wrong and I want to change that but I will say that I doubt any of the people I am speaking of have achieved anything close to apotheosis or spiritual clarity. That is neither here nor there I just don't want to come off like this is contingent on societal expectations of success, it's more about a lack of interests. And it bothers me more than anything; disturbs me. I don't feel superior I just feel disturbed by it.

>>33349703 (OP)
Ignore them. They have no impact on your life. They're just part of the scenery you will go rapidly past as you move forward

>>33349703 (OP)
>I really hate when I ask someone what they do all day or what they want to do or what they care about, and the most common answers are: browse the internet/play video games, sleep, nothing.
why? I'm that nigga, I think I should do something but I just don't know what nor why, I've been like this for ages now

>>33351438
Have you asked yourself why? I can't tell you. Do you hate the passionless animal who follows his instincts through life? Is there nothing to learn from them? If 'spiritual enlightenment' isn't part of the question, there are two generally identifiable paths to meaninglessness: the ambitious vanity and the slothful vanity. Which is preferable? Which is the more tragic?

Personally I have compassion for both of the responses people have to being handed a shitty lot and no guidance. It's still their own responsibility, but that doesn't make it fair or pleasant.

>>33351545
it's not the renunciation of all striving that I would advise: it's the introspective interrogation of intention. Vanity is destructive to dignity, whether it's through effort or apathy. Effort, even great effort is necessary for fulfillment and self-transcendence, but none of it is possible without honesty to oneself. I'm not suggesting a mere happy medium, but a precise and carefully considered orientation, which can only come from the sort of self-understanding that is almost never instilled in people. The ambitious are right to reject sloth, and the slothful are right to reject mindless competitiveness, but neither will find purpose on their path.

>>33351463
>They have no impact on your life.
Sometimes I am forced to be around them otherwise I would avoid them altogether, although, maybe not. Anyways if I had to articulate one issue in particular it's that I really don't know what to do about people thinking that I agree with them or even just an idea simply because I say that I understand it. Because if I elaborate it always seems to go poorly. And this isn't something that I really encounter with other people.
>>33351469
>I think I should do something
Then you aren't who I mean

>>33351545
>Have you asked yourself why?
Constantly
>Do you hate the passionless animal who follows his instincts through life?
I wouldn't say hate, it just bothers me on a fundamental level
>Is there nothing to learn from them?
There definitely would be assuming it was something teachable and not inherent
>If 'spiritual enlightenment' isn't part of the question
It is
>Which is preferable?
Ultimately neither but if were talking about my personal instinctual preference it would be a creative as opposed to destructive force even though I know that it would all still add up to zero. This is how I feel, not what I believe.
>Which is the more tragic?
Again, I don't view either as tragic ultimately
>Personally I have compassion for both of the responses people have to being handed a shitty lot and no guidance. It's still their own responsibility, but that doesn't make it fair or pleasant.
I agree, which is why I am finding this disparity so troubling

>>33351660
From a practical perspective, I'd argue that apathy is easier to recover from in many ways. People who are miserable can be convinced to start doing something about it more easily than people operating on false assumptions can be to abandon something they've invested a great deal of their life into.

>>33351592
I mean, again, I completely agree. I think I would add that a lack of introspection (which feels incredibly conceited to say) is something else that I would add to this palette of behavior that I find frustrating for some reason. And even sloth seems a bit far off the mark. I don't think there is anything wrong with being lazy; I encourage it. It's more a generalised conceptual and causal blindness is how I would describe it.

>>33351670
No it isn't apathy or misery is the thing. That would make it easy to empathise.

>>33351678
If it's not apathy or laziness, what is it that you're responding to? Simplicity?

>>33351696
It's definitely not apathy or at least agentic or temporary apathy. This is some sort of inherent apathy that usually becomes agitated whenever I bring up anything close to abstraction so I try and keep conversations short. It's not laziness because I admire it greatly when done with intent. It's not simplicity because these people are intelligent though incapable of grasping very specific subjects which make them, not angry, but defensive is maybe the word.
I think it has something to do with intent. They seem to lack intent.

>>33351702
Let me give an example
>Working when coworker begins to make small talk at my desk about north korea
>Realky just want to get back to work but he asks my opinion and I say that I really don't know much at all about north korea but that it makes sense for them to be suspicious and paranoid given their history
>He says so you support them?
>I say, No I really don't care I was just saying that I understand why they would react that way but I don't really know
>But that was then and now is now they have to move on
>Okay well evidently they haven't and i'm not sure what anybody could do about that
>They should just get over it
>Yes, okay

it's just little stuff like that that seems to drive me insane

bump

>>33349703 (OP)
Its not pretentiousness. It’s being nosy as fuck. I’ll be real with you, if you asked me what I do or what I wanna do or what my goals are and you ran me through a game of 20 questions like some kind of freemason or some shit, I’d also give you a fake dry answer on purpose to get you to piss off. Because I don’t see why you need to know my ambitions. Even if you gave a good reason for knowing, I’d still not tell you. Because it wouldn’t benefit me at all, only your curiosity. And my life does not revolve around your curiosity.

>>33353602
I don't pry. I never pry. I am just doing my best to interract with them amicably because they have chosen to interact with me. I simply have no anchoring point when speaking with such people and I would really like one instead of feeling at an inherent disadvantage.

>>33353644
Why are you at an inherent disadvantage? Maybe I missed the memo throughout the thread, im just focusing on your OP. But according to your original post you see them as beneath you, as people who are at a disadvantage themselves.

What’s the actual story anyway? You got a friend group of neets or shut-ins and you are angry watching them self sabotage or something?

>>33353785
I think I just articulated what is bothersome poorly. These responses might help: >>33351720
>>33351702
>>33351660
>What’s the actual story anyway?
I just have to work with a lot of people ocassionally for short bursts of time, and inevitably about 5% fall under this category where it seems like I am infuriating them, when my intention is to establish a base point of understanding or mutual interest. I just want conversations to not feel like pulling teeth.

>>33353867
So you don’t like shallow talk, you’d prefer to talk outside of the box and speak in abstraction, but average joes around you don’t seem to truly speak their own mind, only asinine statements they seem to knee-jerk regurgitate? World around you feeling like it’s full of hylics, or people who lack a human spark? And whenever you try to ignite that spark in them by attempting to lead them into nuance or depth, they seem to get all annoyed at you?

>>33353925
Yes, but I also wouldn't describe them as average joes or hylics. There is diversity of composition despite the result being the same, though I couldn't exactly say how since I usually differentiate people based on interests and temperament whereas they seem to override the temperament whenever I say something wrong.

>>33353925
>So you don’t like shallow talk, you’d prefer to talk outside of the box and speak in abstraction
Honestly I would rather not talk at all if that were an option, but giving that it isn't, I would say that beyond my preferences I am simply trying to make it to the moment where the conversation ends as quickly as possible, while still remaining cordial, unless there is an actionable way of establishing rapport I haven't thought about.

>>33353965
Well, either you are experiencing what happens socially when you are genuinely more intelligent than those you socialise with and that’s why you struggle to relate to them, or, you got yourself some ‘tism, the funny autism disorder, and you seem to have social blindness and cannot see social landmines or social red tape and you keep coming off as insensitive or rude or an asshole without your intention. And that although you speak the same language, the emotional language underneath is two different planets. Everything lost in translation. Such is the fate of autists.

>>33353990
>>33353990
>either you are experiencing what happens socially when you are genuinely more intelligent than those you socialise with and that’s why you struggle to relate to them
I am nowhere near intelligent enough for this to be the case; not even close.
>you got yourself some ‘tism, the funny autism disorder, and you seem to have social blindness and cannot see social landmines or social red tape and you keep coming off as insensitive or rude or an asshole without your intention.
The last part I suspect is true because I do feel that I am irritating them when my intention is the opposite. It doesn't make sense overall since I have no trouble socialising in general. It could be that I have just gotten used to the comfort and intuitiveness of my established friend group, but I still go to plenty of events filled with strangers; and again, it will all be fine until I end up talking to one of these brick wall people that both establish the conversation and give me nothing to work with.

>>33354034
>both establish the conversation and give me nothing to work with.

So you want them to explicitly tell you what they want out of the conversation, and you want them to tell you all the social rules of engagement?

Another example
>At an event
>Talking with a group of people about times that we have gotten physically stuck in a place and how
>Everyone is telling crazy stories and having a great time
>One guy says "I was stuck at the DMV"
>"Yeah, that sucks but have you ever been physically stuck somewhere?"
>"Yes, at the DMV"
>"Well, sure, but you could have left I meant more of a time where you couldn't physically leave even if you decided the social consenquences were tolerable"
>"I still think it counts"
>"Sure, sorry, what happened at the DMV?"
>"I got stuck"
>"...and then what happened?"
>"...it took ages!"
>"oh, okay..."

I know that this makes me sound like a twat, but I don't know how it can end up this way so consistently. What am I doing wrong? Should I not have pointed out the constraints the everybody else understood and was fine with at all? I get that maybe it comes off like I am imposing myself but it was a simple and gentle redirection

>>33354090
>So you want them to explicitly tell you what they want out of the conversation, and you want them to tell you all the social rules of engagement?
Not at all! I just don't understand why I can gauge that on autopilot with everybody else but with them it feels like I am giving them an alibi. It feels like they are angry any time I disagree with anything in any capacity, big or small.

>>33349703 (OP)
Watch this video about buddhism
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XnWVukn227A
i dont know much about the religion itself but the way that he discusses the ever-wanting soul and the consequences of having such a thing, it will make you want all humans to relinquish ambition.

>>33354223
I believe I mispoke when I stated that it was an issue with ambition.

>>33354091
just sounds like a regular dumb person

Im the same way

But someone once told me " you can always learn something from the dumbest person on earth"

So do that, think, what can I learn from this stupid mf

>>33355694
>But someone once told me " you can always learn something from the dumbest person on earth"
I don't think that they are stupid, just different, but in any case it is this line of thinking that seems to me the fulcrum point for the issue.

>>33349703 (OP)
i'm not gonna tell some random who isn't gonna listen anyway what i really think about, so they get boilerplate. why do you think people owe you their hopes and dreams?

>>33358020
>i'm not gonna tell some random who isn't gonna listen anyway what i really think about, so they get boilerplate
That's fair enough
>why do you think people owe you their hopes and dreams?
Because they have started the conversation, not the other way around, and I have no clue what I AM meant to talk about to them or how.

>>33358603
ambition is pretty useless anyway because you can be rejected for so many reasons. you're pretty much dismissing people who were ambitious but gave up, no?

>>33358633
No, not really. I think ambition isn't the right term for it. It's more this >>33354091
>>33351720
sort of thing where I don't know how to navigate the conversation anymore when it was fine just before.

>>33349703 (OP)
>find their very existence distressi
Lmao

I mean yeah they're human waste but why care?
They probs have some internal cope thingies but that ain't your problem is it? Like I agree they're retarded but why do you have any emotional weight on it? Oh no... Could it be... You yourself are one of them! With so little on your plate you concern yourself with other people's silly drivel and make a mountain out of an irrelevant mole hill!

>>33351370
This true too, hate seeing all that effort wasted on something terribly stupid, some overcompensation mechanics

Anyway nothing wrong with your disdain, you're self chastising incorrectly. Further down the thread it seems like the issue is more-so you suck at talking to humans rather than being pretentious or whatever