do the talented and successful know that there are people who want to commit suicide out of self-hatred and resentment towards them? how do they feel about how much suffering their lives cause others?

what kind of advice can you give to somebody who feels this rancorous mixture of guilt and indignation

>>33358663 (OP)
>who want to commit suicide
seems a bit extreme mate

>>33358663 (OP)
Yes.
I don't really care. That's what I call a "you" problem.
Cope, seethe, &c ... whatever helps you make it through the night.

>>33358760
I hate you so much. I don't want you to suffer because that would be hypocritical, but I hope that you're one day made to think that you never actually knew anything at all and all your effort up until that point was wasted on a false assumption, undermining your self conception, nullifying your lived experience.

>>33358663 (OP)
>how do they feel about how much suffering their lives cause others?
OP is a fucking idiot. The talents of others, real or imagined, do not cause suffering. The envious people cause their own suffering. That's the whole point of the parable of the talents: make the utmost use of what you have received instead of excuse-making and laying around moaning.

have some self-esteem, youre pathetic

>>33358840
and what if you receive nothing?
that parable tells the average joe nothing more than
>know your place, trash

>>33358843
why would i have self esteem? nobody respects a useless person. why delude myself?

>>33358663 (OP)
The suffering is caused by you, not me. The hate you feel does not come from successful people. It comes from within you, but you’re too proud to admit it so you rationalize it by blaming others instead.

Why not work hard and join our ranks? If not, at least be happy for those that have achieved what you couldn’t.

>>33358962

maybe you should just neck yourself

>>33358849
it doesn't sound like you need advice- this seems to be some kind of bawwww thread

>>33359019
are other people just okay with being mediocre? i need to constantly be better but this is impossible if my potential comes from genetics and upbringing

>>33359032
>are other people just okay with being mediocre?
are you 19 mayhaps?

>>33359036
no i'm older than that but too young to realize it's over, but that's changing. although in terms of life experience, employment, ability, socialization, and sex i am the same as i was when i was 13

>>33359051
why were you being so melodramatic initially and now you've just abandoned that for pragmatism? maybe if you had some values and stood your ground you'd get a bit further in life

>>33359062
maybe if i had talent i could've been industrious and actually passed on the essential milestones of childhood and adolescence instead of being a maladjusted loser

>>33358663 (OP)
I guess that makes me feel kinda bad, but like get your life together. Jeez.

>>33359079

woe is me ass nigga, get a grip

>>33359082
well how do other people cope besides macho facades like what you're replying to me with

>>33359153

you can start by having some self-respect. even if you think you're a loser because of xyz, you need to not frame your mindset around your lack of achievements or whatever. and stop comparing yourself to others. there's always going to be somebody doing better than yourself, get over it. but at the same time, youre probably doing better than x number of people. if you cant respect yourself how will you ever expect others to respect you?

>>33359245
>there's always going to be somebody doing better than yourself,
this doesn't make any sense. if everyone else is doing better than you then nobody could be the best
>youre probably doing better than x number of people
that doesn't matter. if you're not first you're last. besides a contingent life where you derive satisfaction from being superior to others is too depressing to entertain. ideally everybody would have some unique skill or quality that cannot be compared to another person. everyone would be endowed with inherent value and worth in the eyes of others.

>>33359253

sounds like your mind is made up, why dont you get on with roping then loser

>>33359270
I want an answer that makes sense. It will only get harder from here so I need to figure out something fast.

>>33358663 (OP)
I don't resent talented and successful people, I just want to be as good as they are

>>33358663 (OP)
>what kind of advice can you give to somebody who feels this rancorous mixture of guilt and indignation
I used to feel a deep feeling from the fact that my favorite band was performing beautiful music when they were 16 years old. I started a band when I was 17 but we were always pretty cruddy, I had a vision and it sounded kind of cool but I was never anything compared to my idols. I honestly got a sense of pleasure from how much better they were than me. Kind of a nostalgia for a life I never got to live.
I live my whole life to improve myself ... slowly. and my path keeps branching and twisting around. I'm still pretty worth after all these years but most people seem to think that I have an impressive quality about me. I'm never going to stop creating with all of the extra energy I have. It's my will

>>33359432
>worth
Worthless

>>33358663 (OP)
What do you want? Do you want them to eliminate anything others can compare to? The problem is that people are conditioned to compare themselves to others. The successful probably aren't even aware of the schizos that are offing themselves.

>>33358663 (OP)
It is not Brad Pitt's fault that you are not a movie star. It is 100% YOUR problem that you let his (or anyone else's) success bother you.

Seek psychiatric help.

>>33360396
Benefiting from an unjust system (being rewarded an above average life because of random genetics and not your own decisions/character) is immoral.

>>33358663 (OP)
they don't care bro... that's why they're successful - they're bad people.

>>33361008
There's no such thing as a utopia

>>33358663 (OP)
Your resentment should be targeted toward your politicians, who take your money from every one of your paychecks and purchases, and continue to squander those funds by neglecting your country's infrastructure, education systems, and benefits. Meanwhile they continue to line the pockets of the already successful through tax cuts and foreign aids.
Don't beat yourself up about it. There is plenty of liberty up can take towards your own success, but as the gap in wealth gets bigger and the costs of living continues to rise, you have to realize the system favors the wealthier to get wealthier, and the poor to get poorer. While it doesn't excuse you from abandoning all responsibilities, your country's leaders are plenty at fault.

I have lots of self-hatred and envy but I don't hate successful people. It's all directed towards myself. I have an inferiority complex and it just reinforces my feelings of inferiority. I don't see myself as being worthy of being around anyone as I'm subhuman, so I never leave my house

>>33358771
>I don't want you to suffer because that would be hypocritical
>nullifying your lived experience.
You're a hypocrite.

>>33358663 (OP)
The word is called envy

>>33359364
>something fast.
that's your problem right there. You want to be the best or be incredible at shit quick, fast, RIGHT NOW. But you yourself said you are capped by genetics and upbringing. Not even talented people get good at their stuff like that. Sure, they might get a better head start and progress quickly in the beginning but the long-term hustle is what usually ends up killing it all, even if you have potential from the beginning.

Find a way to learn to appreciate your time and not have the intense urge to do everything quick, short-term. Some people might have a harder time doing these because they have to deal with actual conditions that influence their perceptions of time like ADHD or autism, but still, i sense that's the core of your problem, along with a negative sense of jealousy that doesn't prop you up to improve yourself but just hate the others who are better and wallow in bitterness.

>>33358663 (OP)
i used to be you until i became me, just don't give up.

>>33358663 (OP)

You cause your own suffering. Your feelings are things that happen in your body. You are the one who isnt addressing it. Stop blaming other people for your problems. You might actually get somewhere, even.

>>33363904
I want you to feel completely neutral. No happiness but no sadness either. A state before the fall of man.

>>33358969
I've seen this guy put things in his butt. Repeatedly in rhythmic motions, for extended periods of time. Quite large things. Making lots of noise.
Is this how you make it in the modern world?
How can I be like him?

>>33359253
>then nobody could be the best
And nobody is, not in/at everything. Congratulations for finally figuring that much out.
>that doesn't matter. if you're not first you're last.
That's a you problem. It all stems back to how you view yourself, how you view others, and how you view the world itself.
The funny thing is, this mentality can actually be admirable and based if you have the drive to actually go after it and get it done. If you have some Michael Jordan-esque chip on your shoulder to be the best ever at what you do and you actually DO it, it's based. But if you do nothing and just sit around complaining and being envious, that mentality goes from based to cringe astonishingly quick.

>>33361008
And exactly what about your character is so moral that you deserve a reward for it? I'm not seeing any evidence of it in this thread. Quite the opposite actually.

>>33358663 (OP)
>>33358771
>do the talented and successful know
>I hate you so much
Yeah we're well aware people have this kind of ressentiment, Nietzche wrote at length about what you're feeling, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ressentiment

Feelings ultimately land somewhere around
>Look I feel bad for you and sincerely do hope you feel better
>That said, I'm not about to force myself to do worse just to make you feel better
>if it's a footrace, you lost, and there being a race means some people necessarily lose, others win
>Don't make a dramatic spectacle about it: it's all in the game.

Most of feeling better is going to come from you realizing
>Making your inferiority complex an anger flashpoint objectively will not fix the inferiority complex
at which point you either accept that being a loser is part of your identity now and you're gonna be eternally seething, or you sit down and do the hard planning work of
>alright, what are the specific ways I'm currently inferior?
>what can I do to either best those failings, or at absolute minimum improve my current status and be less inferior?
And although this will feel like shit, it results in the real change that cures said guilt and indignation.

>>33369230
What if we're gatekept by our genetics? Too dumb, too short, too ugly, too mentally ill, etc. to succeed. Like I'm 5'5 and I'm dumb as fuck so it just adds to my inferiority because I have all of this objective evidence of failure. I'll always feel subhuman compared to everyone else

I really enjoy knowing that my success causes others to feel this way. It's like, 90% of what drives me to succeed

>>33366208
Porn is just like anything else. Talent helps, but a lot of it is hard work and determination.

Get in shape, and start hormone therapy. Prepared to spend a lot of your time making yourself look pretty and also spend a lot of time advertising yourself online.

>>33369444
>too, too, too
Wrong mindset. What ARE you good enough for, or what might you work towards that would let you transcend these limits? You get 60 laps more around the sun then you’re fucking dead. What’s in your power to achieve? Think proactively.

If you know with certainty that dating and intellectual pursuits are off the table, then go pick other goals: what about artistic ones? (No one ever accused 99% of artists of being lookers or geniuses). What about missions for mankind, or moral pursuits? (So many causes just need good people willing to do the hard work). What about money? (eg., business is not a space won by the smartest, nor the most attractive; most non-hired business owners look like dorks).

Play what you’ve got. If you’re posting here, you’re probably 5’5”, in Europe or America, putting you roughly in the richest countries on earth: on height and opportunity, youvare already beating like half of the Eurasian continent from birth. And, if not, your very first gains put you ahead.

Don’t give up so easily.

>>33369444
As that guys said:
> accept that being a loser is part of your identity now and you're gonna be eternally seething

But then again, even Christy Brown became successful. You’d have to be seriously messed up really have no chance of success.

>>33358771
Why?

>>33369524
Nothing. I believe I'm so subhuman that I'm incapable of anything. I have 0 creativity and never had any of that. I'm too afraid to volunteer because I'll just fuck everything up and get fired. I'm too stupid to make money

>>33369529
Does everyone really succeed? Look at all the homeless and untouchables on the streets

>>33369566
>I'm too afraid to volunteer because I'll just fuck everything up and get fired
Smarter people than you have put a lot of thought into finding ways to use even the dullest of volunteer, they call it “unskilled labor”’ for a reason. Let them be the one to reject you, don’t rule yourself out of the running. Same for other spaces, drop the woe-is-me shit, it’s learned helplessness and if you understand my advice, you’re saying
>I’m done with that shit, what now?

>>33369614
I couldn't even work a fast food job. Simple tasks. Even workers at this fast food place were making fun of me. I have 0 confidence in myself to do anything. I'm completely subhuman

>>33369566
Not all people succeed. But wouldn’t you rather be one of the successful people?

Success isn’t everything in life. Some people are happy to be homeless. What matters is what makes you happy. If you are okay with being homeless, then be that way. No one really cares in the end. Clearly, OP wants to be successful so he should just work towards it instead of being enraged by jealousy.

I may not have Natalie’s success, but I have my own successes in life and I am glad to have them. I’m happy that she is successful because I have my own happy life so I feel no jealousy towards her.

>>33369635
The bar is lower volunteering, employees have to clear the bar of
>worth the 7-20 bucks an hour we're paying them to be here
A volunteer just has to be worth not actively kicking out of the space.

>>33358663 (OP)
I'm not successful but I encourage you to commit suicide because you're both a pedophile and a narcissist defined by your subhuman seething envy. Your emotions matter more to you than your species and I don't care why, I just want you to die.

>>33369698
That doesn't help. Convince me why I shouldn't kill myself. I get no enjoyment out of life and have no hope for the future and I hate myself with a burning passion. I have nothing to offer and I'm too defective for this world. I'm 34 years old and I can't keep going anymore

>>33369843
> Convince me why I shouldn't kill myself.

We’re just a bunch of strangers on the internet. There’s no way we can convince someone who is already determined to wallow in their own misery not to kill themselves.

>>33369882
Wallow in my misery. I tried getting professional help for over 14 years. Countless therapists and drugs. Been in psychiatric hospitals multiple times. So fuck off thinking I never tried

On paper I'm considered talented and successful and still want to kms.

>>33369882
Pretty much

>>33369971
As a practical matter, you’re gonna do what you’re gonna do. You stick around if you think things can get better, and I’ve made the strongest case I think anyone can to keep fighting on despite your difficulties.

If that and 14 years of active treatment are insufficient to convince you that things are okay, at that point I think you’re at the point where you should consider “heroic” shit that no one’s gonna recommend to you but is worth trying before anything more drastic - go spend all your money and spend a few years working/partying/fucking prostitutes in South American or southeast asian hostels and sweettalk the locals and see the world a little. go try heroic psychedelic doses to see if they can fuck your brain chemistry in useful directions. go quit your job and live in a nudist colony for a while, go try to join a monastery or otherwise get deep into religion:

if your life is horrifically fucked, literally nothing’s off the table, and you’re free to try anything. If you still wanna go after that, you can feel at peace feeling you tried EVERYTHING, but you probably still have cards to play and at absolute minimum should play them first.

>>33370216
None of that sounds appealing and I have no confidence in myself to do anything you listed. I can't even leave my house let alone go to a different country. I did try a large dose of shrooms and it was a horrible experience with mocking demonic voices and I was getting violent thoughts of killing my neighbor

>>33358663 (OP)
Your energy affects others. You know how a person's energy attracts you to them while another person's energy makes you want to leave the room?
If you focus bad feelings onto others you can make them sick. I have a friend who was sick for 3 days, she is a bit psychic and she knew who was giving her the evils.

>>33370927
I’ve done my part, and I have no additional advice past what I’ve given besides try to come up with alternative heroic measures that you think sound more appealing, and seek professional care if you’re planning anything serious that could cause you or others harm. This will be my last message. Best of luck with your issue.