To all guys 'seeing someone' but it feels one sided and/or you have doubts:

>If she takes forever to reply to your texts, stop sending them
>If you're doing all the work, stop trying
>If you initiate three dates in a row, withdraw and don't initiate another
>If she doesn't reciprocate your effort in bed, stop prioritising her pleasure
>Ask to split the fucking bill, you're not an ATM

Simply put: do NOT be a fucking retard and NEVER continue to invest in someone who gives nothing back.

Signed, a simp who learned the hard way.

>>33359584 (OP)
Hmmm, alright.

>>33359584 (OP)
I get one chance every few years. The last one I got just ended no fucking clue why at all...
Forgive me if I am permissive of some behavior. I damn well know its not great for me.

>>33359584 (OP)
Okay, and here's one for you.

>>33359584 (OP)
>>Ask to split the fucking bill, you're not an ATM
lmao it's insane your generation seriously tells men this

it's like saying "just be okay with pissing sitting down"

>>33359761
Nah, every girl I've dated who was genuinely invested and gave good head offered to pay for stuff

The starfish (charming as they were outside of the bedroom) never offered

Pay for the first one, maybe two then just split. Shows you're not gonna tolerate a one-sided deal

>>33359661
>Permissive
It'll be that. If you communicate that your needs don't matter (by just going along with whatever bullshit she pulls), she won't respect them

I followed this for long and I'm alone at the age of 37.
At the first sign of lack of interest I stop talking to them and that's why right now I don't even have friends. I've never had anyone in my life. I don't think life is worth living

>>33359784
I am going to be honest, at some point just having a GF becomes more important than getting respect. I am not at that point but I can understand why men would put up with a lot of shit in exchange for some time with a woman.

I get it a woman would rather be alone than not be with chad, and men would rather take shit than be alone.

>>33359915
I have found that putting up with no shit vastly increases your chances of getting and keeping a woman. So pragmatically speaking, it's still best to maintain respect.

>>33359915
It's never worth being in a relationship with someone who neglects your needs

But you're right about the last bit. A lot of girls have crazy high standards and guys settle. However, that doesn't mean you need to settle too

>>33359924
>Putting up with shit
Women really do try to pull some of the stupidest shit, don't they? Why are they like this? Is it to test to see if you'll stick up for yourself or what?

After a year if dating app misery I think I'm finally learning the game. Was real romance ever a thing, or just a fantasy...?

>>33359940
>Is it to test to see if you'll stick up for yourself or what?
They need constant reassurance that you're the man. It's never enough, they will test you forever to make sure you haven't slipped.
I think a lot of men get worn down by this over time and you end up with the classic marriage photo where the man looks old and beaten down by life while the woman looks younger than him and has a slight predatory look in her eyes.

>>33359777
woman asking to do it before you can get your card out is totally different

asking her to do it is 100% bitchmade

>>33359966
So what would a non-bitch do if she never offers to pay? Take the hint that she gives 0 fucks and chalk it up?

>>33359952
True love isn't real. I'm convinced that only a tiny proportion of couples genuinely love one another, rather than settled and just tolerate it because they fear being alone / failing to do better

>>33360013
I would take it further and say that the best people for LTRs are always going to be average-looking or even potato-faced because they have fewer options.
When people of either sex have countless options, the temptation to cheat becomes too great.

>>33360047
The most attractive girls I've dated made the least effort, that's for sure

I wonder if they're like that with everyone, or if I'm just not hit enough for them to be as excited as average girls are for me

Last girl I dated literally said "I have to obsessed with you to get in top. I like you, but I'm not obsessed with you". I didn't even ask or tell her to get into oo, she just said it. She also said "I don't give head to just anyone", but she did suck me off at least. Pathetic that I stick around after these sorts of comments.

>>33360013
Do you really believe this?

>>33360088
Sort of. Love is real, I just think it's exceedingly rare

>>33359584 (OP)
Why do you care if other men SIMP?
Does it somehow create market forces that averse you negatively?
Do you seethe imaging people gaslighting you about this, denying its existence?

>>33359661
>I get one chance every few years.
>Forgive me if I am permissive of some behavior.
You're actively tanking those chances you have.

>>33359761
>Not being a free meal ticket is equivalent to pissing sitting down
kys zoomer

>>33359966
>Having self respect is bitchmade
You're a massive fucking faggot
>>33360353
Some people just want to help others avoid the mistakes they made. Are you unable to fathom the concept of trying to help someone without any benefit to yourself? kys, sociopath

>>33361584
you fucking liar lol. You arent trying to help the men, you are mad at the women.

>>33359761
>.t retard that gets used for free food

>>33360353
It's pathetic and it makes women think all men are willing to do that kind of shit. You'd understand if you were a man.

>>33361603
>I am unable to fathom the concept of helping someone without any benefit to myself
Got it. Also NTA

>>33360319
Whats your experience been with it? Have you tried letting yourself?

>>33360319
From what I've seen in life, actual mutual real love does exist between a man and a woman who are more or less the same age so there's no weird power balances and they have to hook up in their early 20s while sharing a shared attitude towards life.

It's actually quite common but it's "normiecore" so you won't really read about it on 4chan because it's just the norm.

If you're on /adv/ you gotta try it out if you're like 18-23. Find the perfect girl and chase her or let them chase you or whatever.

After a certain point you just get jaded and more pretentious about it all so you gotta hurry up and find the right girl before you hit your late 20s because by that point you just get kinda a bit cynical and whatever in terms of the whole betabux game

I’ve been trying to get a white gf since I was 13 I’m 31 now :(

>>33359924
>I have found that putting up with no shit vastly increases your chances of getting and keeping a woman
i know it's an ancient reference but that reminds of the happy days episode where fonzie tells richie how to act tough and it backfires since he's a scrawny nerd who can't fight.

>>33362492
Lol. I forgot to mention that you should also lift weights for 10 years and do martial arts first, and try to be age 30+.