I need some advice guys

I can’t help but see women as leeches. As succubus.

They look good so we want them but they make us jump through god knows how many hoops just FOR THE CHANCE to be with them.

Then once you have them. You’re providing for them. Protecting them. Risking your life for them. Risking your finances for them. Your livelihood.
You do basically everything for them.
You work to get them then you work to keep them.

For what?
Some pussy?

I can’t help be see this as a pointless venture.

I don’t understand why any man would genuinely want to get married and risk losing half your shit in a divorce the moment the wedding is over.

How do you stop thinking like this?
Is it even a good idea to stop thinking like this?

you work to get their attention
You work to get laid
You work to get married
You work keep the marriage stable

Cause if this bitch is unhappy at any moment from sucking on your bank account
She gets to suck on your bank account in bulk

Like what the fuck??????

It's because you have a porn addiction

>>33401863
I saw my uncles get fucked over by women financially growing up

Porn probably contributed to it though maybe

>>33401863
My uncle got divorced and now his ex wife has the house and the kids

He had to start over from scratch

My other uncle had an ex wife and she left him and took the kids

My third uncle slept with a woman and she dug up the condom and impregnated herself. He owes 18 years of child support

Like fucking hell

This is not the life I want

that girl is so hot

>>33401830 (OP)
If it's that difficult, it's not meant to be.

You view them as objects. Start viewing them as humans. Though to do this, you need to get your own emotions in order.

A woman smells. Shits. Pisses. Is dirty. Farts. But none of this is irrelevant and is even a turn on to the still mentally ill people.

You know a girl is perfect when you can just be with her, effortlessly, and she enjoys your company. She likes (You), whether or not you provide for her. Roles sort themselves out.

When that is the case, you basically have a mother for your children that you WANT to die for, not NEED to die for (just for some pussy).

But again, the issue is you, not women. Fix your emotions.

>>33402070
I’ll give it a shot anon
Thank you

just not sure how to start

>>33401830 (OP)
You sound like a smart kid anon. Your cost-benefit analysis is spot on unfortunately for the vast majority of relationships, especially in this day and age. Don’t get married unless you REALLY like her as a person.
Otherwise get an onahole, hit the gym FOR YOURSELF and focus on your own hobbies and goals. Ever tried mountaineering?

>>33401830 (OP)
>They look good so we want them but they make us jump through god knows how many hoops just FOR THE CHANCE to be with them.
Every woman I've ever been with has made the first move.

>Then once you have them. You’re providing for them. Protecting them. Risking your life for them. Risking your finances for them. Your livelihood.
My fiance used to help me pay my electric bill when I couldn't find a decently paying job. She took me grocery shopping because "she wanted good snacks when she was over" to make sure I was getting decent food. She encouraged and helped me study, cooked me meals and tucked me in when I passed out on the couch more times than I can count when I was juggling full time work, full time school, and constant tragedies in my personal life. She stuck by me when I was drinking myself to sleep in misery, when weed was my crutch and the only thing I had to offer her was my time.

She's proven to me time and time again that she's in it for life with a love so deep and genuine that I couldn't even comprehend it before I experienced it.

>You do basically everything for them.
>You work to get them then you work to keep them.
>For what?
I would chain the moon to the earth if she asked me, there's no length I won't go to to show this woman the depths of my affection. Her love has made me a better man in every metric and I'm proud to share whatever I can provide to her because she's shown me that I can depend on her in my darkest moments. I bust my ass every single day to make sure that she never has to go without ever again.
>I don’t understand why any man would genuinely want to get married and risk losing half your shit in a divorce the moment the wedding is over.
I wouldn't have what I have without her, I wouldn't be who I am without her; if she left me tomorrow I'd still be a better man than I was before her. If one day she decided to take half and run I'm still coming out ahead of where I would have been.

>>33402137
Sounds to me like you’re very lucky. We won’t all get as lucky as you. Good luck with your relationship anon.

>>33402137
i would kill myself if it would ruin your life permanently and smile in hell from the satisfaction yes i am that crab in the fucking bucket i cant stand people who have what i dont

>>33401830 (OP)
It was much easier when the status quo was having a family. Now men are oneshotted by the fact that theyre realizing the only reason they want to get with someone is a vagina which isn't worth it on its own. If you ever figure these things out let me know

>>33402181
Envy is a sickly shade of green man, that kind of hate is holding you back more than you can understand. Comparison is the thief of joy, if you start acknowledging the life you have and the things in it can only be prescribed value based on how *you* value them I bet you'll find real happiness
>>33402172
Thank you, I genuinely hope you do get as lucky as I have. I wish I could give foolproof advice on how to stack the deck in your favor but all I can say with confidence is that if you put your best foot forward, try to put more good than bad into the world and try to appreciate things as they come you'll definitely increase your odds.

>>33402276
>if you start acknowledging the life you have and the things in it can only be prescribed value based on how *you* value them I bet you'll find real happiness

yes but i value most everything loly because they solve such inconsequential problems i have value for the things i need to survive and the things that bring me joy but every source of joy has become so fleeting and muddled that other emotions act as the only relief i have left i cant be happy anymore that point in my life is long dead this hatred i have for everything i envy is the only "joy" i can still create

>>33401830 (OP)
>How do you stop thinking like this?
You can't. Marriage is an absolute meme at this point because the safety mechanisms that made marriage worthwhile have eroded and thus its a free for all. You can do everything right and still be miserable or get cheated on because your wife just wasn't "feeling it".

Marriage used have a purpose and that was maintaining the bloodline and inheritance. Now? It's "vibes" or "you have to LOVE them". It's bullshit and most women are materialistic enough to fuck you over in divorce court.

>>33401830 (OP)
Damn that's one hell of a body.

>>33402502
Famous last words

>>33402027
it's actually crazy how she's built like a hentai girl
maybe it's a video effect, because holy fuck

>>33401830 (OP)
Yeah that's called "Biology." You can study it in school.
If you don't keep doing this, the species literally dies out.
Also if the women can't accept any of the males as good enough, the species still dies out anyway no matter how hard you work

>>33402917
Lmfao. Nigga never heard of rape.

>>33401830 (OP)
>They look good so we want them but they make us jump through god knows how many hoops just FOR THE CHANCE to be with them.
No. They. make YOU jump through hoops because YOU choose to put them on a pedestal above you and they rightly treat you like shit. There are lots of men who don't experience that.
>Then once you have them. You’re providing for them. Protecting them. Risking your life for them. Risking your finances for them. Your livelihood.
This is why you build yourself up, providing a reason for a *good quality* woman to want to be with you in the first place. Then you choose one that's actually worth doing all those things for. Unlike the whores you beat your dick off to, who don't even respect you for that exact reason.
>You work to get them then you work to keep them.
I mean, you can't get something for nothing, anon. That's like complaining that things cost money. If you aren't willing to work for it, you don't deserve it. Simple as and full stop.
>For what? Some pussy?
That's all you can think of because you jack off too much.
>I can’t help be see this as a pointless venture.
It is with the way you're running your life. Absolutely it is.
>I don’t understand why any man would genuinely want to get married and risk losing half your shit in a divorce the moment the wedding is over.
Most men project the fantasy of the women they want onto the woman and don't truly see her for what she is. Most men don't take the time to vet and accurately assess the bitch that's before them. They just see the curves, the idea of pussy and let that run wild. And women, having their own motives, play into that. They're much more socially adept and know how to give you the girlfriend experience you keep projecting onto them. And once marriage happens, they no longer have to act anymore so the mask falls. But it was always there. It's not her fault you projected and couldn't see it. It's not her fault you chose fantasy over reality.

>>33401830 (OP)
>>33403013
CONT'D
>Is it even a good idea to stop thinking like this?
Yes, it is. You're thinking like a weakling, which is unattractive in the first instance and precludes you from a genuine woman because they can smell the lack of confidence just from the way you walk, look at her, and fail to keep eye contact as you stammer over your words.
>How do you stop thinking like this?
You realize that we as men are better than they are in every way. We're smarter, faster, stronger, bigger, etc. You focus on building yourself into the best version of the genuine "you" you can possibly be. You build your life around YOU. You center your world around YOURSELF. You exercise, you keep healthy, you strive towards those things you want (outside a woman) and achieve them. You find a purpose greater than getting some mediocre pussy. You find a purpose that transcends the woman herself because it's all about you. These are the foundational things that genuinely good woman are attracted to. Imagine finding a woman who sees what you're about and chooses to join you on the ride? A woman like that precludes all the bullshit you just described because she's there *for* you. She's there *because* she likes the shit you're already doing. She's there because you didn't need her there to be the way you are, but you choose to have her there because she's helpful. To get her, you focus on YOU. Women tend to put themselves in your way when they like what they see. So fuck focusing on that shit. That'll come when it comes. YOU are more important than she is. So act like it and build yourself.

>>33401830 (OP)
Uhh Ohh I am gonna cooooom

>>33403013
NTA btw, Valid points all around but I get the feeling you adhere to the improoov meme way too much and give women too much credit than they're worth.
>They. make YOU jump through hoops because YOU choose to put them on a pedestal above you and they rightly treat you like shit. There are lots of men who don't experience that.
Sometimes a man does all that because he is after a woman that truly surpasses him in objective value. He compensates by effort and persistence. Sure, it is a shitty deal but it sometimes works.
>That's all you can think of because you jack off too much. (for some pussy arugment)
If women did not have the pussy dimension, men wouldn't have a real reason to prefer interacting with a women instead of a man. Men generally do everything better than a women. Except for providing feminine traits in bulk. A MtF might be a more feminine...person but they are not that common. Yet with the masculinization of women, feminine traits are becoming more scarce hence the lower rates of children in the developed world.
>It is with the way you're running your life. Absolutely it is. (pointless venture argument)
Men are known to seek out celibacy more than women such as being a monk, woodsman, artist or whatever. For some IT IS a pointless venture and forgoing women in their case provides value to our society.
>Most men project the fantasy of the women they want onto the woman and don't truly see her for what she is
If you ask me women are way more guilty of this than men.

Again I agree with your other arguments.

>>33401830 (OP)
Women are unironic chakra vampires that need human semen (soul energy) to survive, diagram of uterus is the image of apostelic baphomet, look it up, complete with horns and all.

When you have sex, part of your soul is being lost on ejaculation, think about it, you cum inside and the cum never comes out, soon enough it is absorbed by the vagina (baphomet devouring soul fragments), but how? It has no mouths, yet it happens. Semen is the vagina's (apostolic baphomet) preffered goyslop, without semen women (demonkind) dies of starvation, which is why women seek sex and always want you to cum inside for an 'unexplainable reason', part of the reason this happens is based on the fact there is no superior entity for them to rely on once their interior energy is depleted, think of it like a really big tank with only one mouth on it that slowly leaks out. They replenish their inner energy by absorbing it from men, because ultimately they have no souls which they can rely on to produce this energy themselves. If they do not get enough energy, they bleed. just look it up, pregnant women (women that have been cummed in and had their energy needs temporarily sated) do not have periods at all, nothing, blood simply does not come out. Yet a woman that does not have this 'suddenly' bleeds and feels ill for several days in a row with pain and weakness and bleeding. Normal?

>>33404359
That's just basic biology wrapped in an occult coat, but I believe you. Women are demons.

>>33401830 (OP)
>you're providing for them. Protecting them.
Take the house-husband pill. High income women are submissive, desperate for someone who can hold a conversation, and fuck like tigers. Men hate them in the workplace so they act like retards too, so there's no worry there.
>but what if she leaves me
Then you can take half of the money and bail. Men pulling women into court for this shit is so rare you almost always win.
That being said, women leave men because their men are stupid and don't pay attention, same reason men stray in relationships.
>how do you stop thinking like this?
By realizing the women you'd want to be with don't want your bank account, they want you.
>but how do I find a woman like that anon?
You find a woman that doesn't need you financially, and then you build a relationship with them.

>>33402137
This anon has it right.
>>33402172
It's not all luck, relationships are built. I bet anon was doing his best to be a good partner even in the tough times.

>>33403968
>Sometimes a man does all that because he is after a woman that truly surpasses him in objective value
I disagree. Women aren't required to provide any value whatsoever. They are objects of beauty. Men, on the other hand, are objects of success. Women don't have to provide substantive value to you aside from being helpful. Men...provide the vast majority of the "value" as it were. So your perspective is completely reversed.

But to expand: women don't like men who are lesser in value. They want equal or greater. If you have to jump through hoops, you're dealing with a bitch that doesn't really like you. That's where the "6 ft tall, 6 figures, 6 inch dick, emotionally available, flowers everyday" bullshit comes in. That's the price you pay for her time because she's not attracted to you, so she better get something out of the deal. Meanwhile her boyfriend or fuck buddies have none of those things. Why? She's actually attracted to them. Women do not make it extremely difficult for dudes they truly like. She doesn't make you pay for 3 dates if she wants to fuck. That wastes time when she could've fucked after simple drinks and a walk. She doesn't nag (as much) when she likes what she has. She doesn't shit test (as hard) a man who has clearly established boundaries, lest he execute on those.

Said more succinctly: If you're jumping through hoops, you aren't leading (fail) and she doesn't like you that much (fail) because men she likes don't have those barriers.

>If women did not have the pussy dimension, men wouldn't have a real reason to prefer interacting with a women instead of a man.
Yeah, but you're not supposed to worship the pussy either.
> Yet with the masculinization of women, feminine traits are becoming more scarce hence the lower rates of children in the developed world.
There are still plenty of feminine women. But that's gonna require one to truly be masculine in the first place, to even attract those.

>>33403968
>>33404419
>If you ask me women are way more guilty of this than men.
I think it's less projection and more about being what she actually wants. I have a colleague who *knows* that telling her boyfriend it was okay to go out with another girl "as friends" was bad. She *knows* that he doesn't treat her as well as he should. And she *knows* that he only broke up with her her to fuck around without cheating, only to come back months later and she still accepted him back. And as of few weeks ago, she got engaged to him. My argument is women fully assess reality and, because of emotions, make the "wrong" choice from a logical perspective. Whereas men have no idea what the fuck they're getting themselves into, unknowingly project their emotions onto the woman, and then "consciously" applies logic to their choice. Then they're surprised when the mask falls off after marriage and shit doesn't work out. "Why has she changed?" No faggot, she was never that way in the first place. Women love to hate the situations they create. Men hate that they don't even know what the fuck happened.

You know the common trope about girls always choosing the "bad boy" instead of the "nice guy." This is exactly why. The rush of emotions. Feeling alive. They may *say* they hate it, but deep down they know what they're getting into. Men, largely have *no* idea what's even happening.

>>33402137
>Every woman I've ever been with has made the first move.
Must be nice being born perfect. Fuck you.

>>33402137
>Every woman I've ever been with has made the first move.
We're talking about 90% of men here, not chads like you who were born perfect and good looking

>>33404475
Nta but I'm the same, all girls I met confessed first or made the move first. I'm not even a chad. Chad does not exist. You don't need to be a chad for this to happen. You just need to not care about rejection so much. You just talk for the sake of talking, without really caring whether or not you will date the girl, and eventually the girl just straight up makes an offer.

>>33401830 (OP)
source please i need it

>>33402276
>try to put more good than bad into the world and try to appreciate things as they come you'll definitely increase your odds.
NTA, but outside of work I pretty much get horrible responses from doing anything nice from women in my age group. I have seen IRL the gender war type of stuff bleed into IRL with men and women that are in their early 20s.
>>33404384
Chances are luck though.

>>33404487
Yeah I'm sure not caring will make women ignore my recessed and non-existent chin

>>33404544
The girls won't be turned off by your recessed chin they will be turned off by the fact that a man is being insecure over his looks like a schoolgirl. That's what repels them. So what you got a recessed chin? Who cares. If anyone asks about it just say you got your jaw dislodged from eating their mom's pussy too hard. Brush that insecurity shit off your shoulders, because the smell of it makes women run away. Not your chin, your attitude towards your own chin.

Where do people like this >>33404575 come from? Like genuinely is /adv/ just reddit 2.0?

i have pictured of that whore saved on my computer. now i am thinking about her and i am horny again. i JUST came out the shower. why did you have to post that anon?
C A P C H A: rapyy

>>33404582
eh it balances out with the blackpill incel retards.
the guy you posted is hot asf btw. i hope you didn't post that as some example of an unfuckable ugloid incel due to his chin or whatever. that's a relatively small flaw compared to the general structure of his face and beauty of his features.

>>33404593
NTA but he is genuinely not attractive at all. He looks pretty unfuckable to me with that sad chin

>>33404487
Sure, women will totally not care about me being 5'5 and balding AND autistic

>>33404606
Just get a 2D waifu

>>33404609
Wooooooow bro that just fixes everything (sarcasm)

>>33404609
Objectively correct opinion we live in the era of Ai and Onaholes women are obsolete!!!

>>33404625
Hey man there's nothing bad about trying it out

>>33404652
Having a 2d waifu accomplishes nothing. You're just being a simp for girl who doesn't exist

>>33401830 (OP)
>they make us jump through god knows how many hoops just FOR THE CHANCE to be with them.
I've never experienced this.
Ever.
Have you dated at all? Women are eager to please and often worried they will ose their man!
>>33401840
Again - WTF?
Women are often so desperate for a BF and REALLY desperate to marry they'll do damn near anything for you.

>>33401884
>>33401889
>I have a trash family that does trash stuff and this is the only way anyone in the world lives
lol
lmao, even

>>33404673
>Having a 2d waifu accomplishes nothing.
Then make her a tulpa

>>33404716
You mean develop schizophrenia? No.

>>33404600
hard disagree lol

>>33404726
He isn't attractive at all. I don't see what you're seeing, you must be seeing a different picture

>>33404761
>Anon finds out attractiveness is subjective for the first time

>>33404778
No it isn't. That guy is ugly.

>>33402904
she's starting to Wall pretty bad, though. 4 years ago she had the perfect amount of fat but she's gotten heavier and is developing that nasty cottage cheese look.

>>33402137
I haven't read the replies, but it is nice to read an average, normal guy responding to the fringe weirdos of /r9k/ that come here.

>>33402172
NTA
You thinking that is all luck is why you fail

>>33403968
>he is after a woman that truly surpasses him in objective value.
Stopped reading.
Total retard outlook on life

POST SCAT ON VARIOUS BOARDS and make jannies lives a living hell.

>>33404536
>Chances are luck though
I did put a lot of effort into my relationship during the bad times, no matter how bad things got I always tried to let her know how special and appreciated she is, I'm not the denying I got lucky finding her but it was a lot of hard work keeping her interested.
>>33404462
>Must be nice being born perfect. Fuck you.
I'm far from perfect, I just try to make people around me feel happy and comfortable and that lended itself well to girls opening up about romantic feelings. I've got crooked teeth and big ears if it makes you feel better.
>>33404812
Thanks brother, never thought "average" would feel like such a compliment before finding 4chan lol

>>33401830 (OP)
Maybe have some real interactions with women? Like in the flesh.
Online bitches are not a real representation of real bitches.

>>33404685
>touch grass
>actually your anecdotes don't matter anyway
>>33404812
>but I heckin love this anecdote
kekaroo

>>33402922

CEO of rape be like

“Business is boomin”

>>33405371
The guy that thinks is personal experience is universal is a dumbass, the guy that doesn't isn't.
Proving you're the dumbass.

>>33402329
>you have to LOVE them
And love in practice doesn't mean a lot

>>33405523
It doesn't have to be universal to be a problem worth avoiding. If an avoidable area had as low as a 30 percent chance of getting you shot you wouldn't say "w-well it has to be 100 percent before it matters". You cling to anecdotes that support what's happening a minority of the time or usually for only a very short time. He does mention fiance so they aren't even married yet.

>>33401830 (OP)
Everything is similarly pointless. Everything we chase is just illusion. You don't really want the girl; you want to 'have' her in some way that doesn't make sense. Everything is that way. You don't want the thing, you want the ideal that exists in your head.

It's all pointless and we're all going to die, so pick your pursuits and knock yourself out.

>>33401830 (OP)
It's true in a sense. You can do a lot of big things if you don't have to carry someone on your back. Unfortunately for a lot of people life isn't worth living without a gf

>>33401830 (OP)
Yeah that's what women are

>>33401830 (OP)
mommy-anna on onlyfans
goes by aniku_ on reddit

>>33406457
Move those goalposts harder, incel, and maybe you can sleep at night

>Move those goalposts harder, incel, and maybe you can sleep at night

>>33404785
>She's starting to wall
Pic or it didn't happen. Or post source

Nevermind, anon delivered: >>33406820

>>33402137
>Every woman I've ever been with has made the first move.
All three women huh? Wow
>My fiance
Yeah you need to shut the fuck up if you haven't been dating lately. OP is right it is a FUCKING WASTELAND out there

>>33408704
>so stupid you can't even reply to a post
lol
>thinks a libtard is pro marriage
lmao, even

>>33408957
Three more than you

>>33408957
>All three women huh? Wow
Yea actually great guess lol
>Yeah you need to shut the fuck up if you haven't been dating lately. OP is right it is a FUCKING WASTELAND out there
OPs post wasn't framed to be about dating, it was framing the nature of women so I provided my experience to show that there are some great girls out there. If you can't handle seeing someone else get a different interpretation of a post without sperging out then I really suggest taking some time off the internet.
Dating today seems brutal and I'm very sympathetic for people trying to find love right now, but it's not impossible.

>>33401830 (OP)
Just write "I know nothing about women" next time, it is faster

>>33409040
so you're a tradcuck got it

>>33409816
>REEEEEEEEE!
FTFY
How many tabs of troon porn do you have open right now?
Be honest