Merely /an/ adjacent I guess, but I can't stop thinking of all the dinos we could domesticate if we lived with them.

Take for instance velociraptors:
- Soft
- Small
- Pack mentality
There is no way we wouldn't domesticate these things.

What dinos do you think we could domesticate?

>>5003879 (OP)
>There is no way we wouldn't domesticate these things
Bro you arent going to believe this but…

>>5003880
Dude, these things have the intelligence of a can of sardines, don't be cute.

>>5003885
They’re probably smarter than t rex was.

>>5003896
Something that eats grain all day and has to do nothing but lay eggs and get fat to reproduce is never going to be smarter than something that hunts.

>>5003899
T red only had to be close to its preys intelligence
Which wasnt much

Also, chickens hunt. Chickens hunt really effectively. Their instincts are excellent. If they’re kept hungry, they make better rodent catchers than cats.

>>5003905
>Which wasnt much
How would you know?
>:(

>>5003885
Velociraptor wasn't any smarter, you actually believe that Jurassic Park door opening shit?

>>5003912
>Velociraptor wasn't any smarter
How would you know
):<
>Jurassic Park
Jurassic Park doesn't even have velociraptors.

>>5003908
>HOW WULD U NO?
What are the chances dinosaurs somehow had MORE neural complexity than birds? Based on skull studies... zero. They were mostly olfactory bulb and had the bits and bobs for coordinating muscles and running instinctive urges (you call them "feelings") with no matter associated with higher thought in any extant archosaur or reptiles period.

I'm sure tyrannosaurs had rather large primitive brains, but much like an elephant has a huge brain and is barely smarter than a 3 year old (a non-developed human, missing huge swaths of ability and still mogging an adult animal) they were probably about as smart as a tegu or something.

>>5003879 (OP)
>pack mentality
I know its beating a dead horse, but its about as equally as possible that dromaeosaurs were not pack hunters, and also "pack hunting" is a very loose term. Hunting in the same territory, hunting simply around each other (crocodiles), family units, hierarchal social groups (hyenas), solitary but mated pair of animals hunting, opportunistic packs (komodo dragons), etc. Pack hunting doesn't always mean "they hunt like wolves/lions."

Also don't forget that this is fossilization, so groups of predators around a kill very well may just be from a predator trap.
There's evidence that juvenile dromaeosaurs were hunting, which points to that the young are hunting for themselves.

>>5003929
I'm still of the opinion that dinosaur intelligence will probably forever be an unknown since it really requires behavior to understand it.
For example, its believed that Huayangosaurus exhibited some form of post-hatching parental care, which is intriguing as the one group you could get away with calling "extremely stupid" would absolutely be stegosaurs, yet there is a member who seems to exhibit a sophisticated behavior.

>>5003986
some turtles, some snakes, and some gators exhibit "some form of" parental care as well. some arthropods even.
frogs exhibit "some form of" empathy.

many things you believe indicate sophisticated intelligence do not
rather they indicate how much of the human mind is just an ancient program

>>5003929
I believe people severely overestimate the evolution of the brain, especially due to extinction events. We've had animals just as physically complex as mammals are today many times over, so why would mental development be an exception?

Besides, we know brain size is not the most reliable metric of intelligence. (look at crows, for instance).

>>5003986
>Pack hunting doesn't always mean "they hunt like wolves/lions."
>Also don't forget that this is fossilization, so groups of predators around a kill very well may just be from a predator trap.
Obviously. But like, this was supposed to be a fun "what if" thread, not an actual deep discussion on dinosaurs. But that's alright too, I like either one.

>>5004007
Ah yes, crows, descended from a small group of arboreal theropods
Sound familiar?

>>5004007
For something more intriguing, there does exist a Utahraptor megablock.

It's not known how many, but there are multiple utahraptor skeletons and bones of varying ages. It's not fully excavated and thus not described, but the authors for it said it'll likely become the best understood eudromaeosaur after its fully unearthed. It's in a 9 ton block of sandstone and is still probably years away from an official paper, but still very interesting nonetheless.

>>5003913
They scanned the nigga's braincase, it wasn't that intelligent
It's just a bigger roadrunner with teeth

>>5003879 (OP)
>we could domesticate
>velociraptors
at best you get crows, at worst you get pitbulls

>>5003896
>>5003905
T Rex wasn't really stupid. They were somewhere between crocodiles and primates terms of intelligence

>>5003879 (OP)
velociraptors weren't pack hunters
in fact they were pretty much just the equivalent of like a fox mixed with a hawk or something. In fact they weren't even the top of the food chain in their environment, there's a famous fossil of a ceratopsian predating one of these, lol.

>>5004025
Were they basing this off of size or neural density?

>>5004074
>a famous fossil of a ceratopsian predating one of these, lol.
It was biting it in self defense cause it has a massive beak capable of snapping bones
This is like thinking that when zebras bite lions they're trying to eat them

>>5003885
Chickens have intelligence, but it is specialized intelligence. They're actually fairly smart, but are missing parts to make them appear like well rounded and intelligent individuals. They're also lizard brained assholes.

>>5004062
>primates
Popsci bullshit with no basis, Tyrannosaurs weren't complete drooling retarded speds like they thought in the 60s but they came nowhere even close to chimpanzee level intellect
It's not like they even needed to be especially intelligent when they're the biggest and strongest predators in their environment

>>5004167
no, the ceratopsian was clearly hunting the raptor. It was using its highly effective jaws to hunt prey.

>>5004185
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/cne.25453

>>5004185
The study the anon talked about was also already withdrawn by the author
He misinterpreted some data and not adjusting it to reptile standards which made t rex more intelligent than it should be
But it can be said that t rex was smarter than the average reptile to the same degree a chimp is smarter than the average mammal

>>5004185
Byeah, that study never seemed legit and was suspect from the moment it came out.