So, are we just letting it slide now? how are those global warming promises from 5 years ago? We literally have dumbass companies KILLING the environment for a second of money and pleasure right in front of our eyes. This world is fucking insane. They're clearly ignoring protests and the actual public opinion, and yet they don't get any repercussion? They're sowing too much and they aren't reaping SHIT. Blow up oil rigs or something, come on . On all seriousness this is fucking insane. Start believing in conspiracy or something.

also yes i know that im typing on a mass produced piece of hardware, but do these people think they will breathe clean air forever

I mean the alarm bells have been rung, everybody is as aware as they could possibly be made, and very little is being done to stop it. Deer in the headlights moment for the human species.

Problem is, we have nothing that could 1:1 replace the convenience, easy handling, energy density, and portability of oil.

It's a tough ass decision but its how they keep us down, and its the sacrifice we make. i'm sorry if i sound insane but genuinely we need another, more powerful, less wimpy anarchist radical generation or something again. we need a generation of martyrs ready to leave anything , but convincing them will be a pain in the ass. either way, dont believe what they want you to believe. everything is possible. conspiracy could be the only way to truth. i'm not insane.

dude
have you like
tried posting this shit on xwitter or bluesky
bro thinks letting his word being swallowed by the darkness of fourchans is gonna make a difference lmaooo

>>5008818
Being swept away by the algorithm is worse.

If we were more honest we could win people over to care. The truth is this era of the Earth's environment is shifting into a new one because of pollution and the direction it is heading is not Human-Friendly.

We are the dinosaurs, our ideal world is changing (and it's our own fault).

We aren't "saving the planet", we're trying to reduce the rate, or reverse the changes in motion to prolong Our Era on this Earth. The truth is Earth will cycle into a new phase that will cause our downfall and the rise of other species.

It's okay to be selfish, but we're never going to create lasting change until we admit this is not an ultraistic project.

Gay hoax

Take the temperatures gauges outside of mega cities and be amazed how the average temp drops by 10 degrees

>>5008855
The Gay Hoax is claiming it's "for the planet".

Planet Earth will roll on without us and that's what no one wants to admit. Planets are dynamic and go through many eras with different gas mixtures in the air and different temps. We humans are afraid our era might eventually come to an end, or that it's starting to shift now, and instead of being honest we're trying to mask it in this hollow ultraism of saying it's for everything else.
But the truth is it's all about us; we're afraid we might not adapt to the changes but we're also to ashamed to admit we have the natural urge to survive. All life on Planet Earth wants to survive, but for some reason we humans are ashamed of admitting this and have to hurt our own chances by screaming it's for the damn Pandas or Wombats.

The next time anyone sees an Eco-nut, tell this to their face; "You're afraid of natural change, admit that you're a human-supremist and want to control the Earth so your era will be artificially extended".

Lots of whales turning up dead on the west coast of North America because global warming is killing off their prey in the north.

>>5008859
have you done the deed yourself though

>>5008785 (OP)
why do people always show images of fucking STEAM when they want to talk about pollution?
steam coming out of scary looking chimneys isn't the problem bucko.

>>5008859
>But the truth is it's all about us
It is, I don't have a problem with that. If something we do causes the environment to got to shit and it's somewhat avoidable than we shot do something about it, for the reason alone that we don't want to live in a shitty environment. I don't want animals to go extinct and everything turning into a shitty desert just because I think it would be a worse world to live in
>You're afraid of natural change
The thing is this isn't natural, that's the main point

>>5008859
Yes I am a human supremacist, why do you ask?

>>5008807
in the case of the grid we do, its called nuclear and we wouldn't be in this fucking mess if it wasn't for fucking hippies and their pathological hatred for it...

>>5008785 (OP)
Humanity is cooked, anon. The clock started ticking the second that we dropped the first atom bomb. It's only a matter of time, unfortunately. We just didn't evolve fast enough to deal with the centuries long implications of our own actions.

>>5008932
Humans aren't natural? Didn't know EnviroMentalists were religious now. How is anything humans do unnatural? A city for us is like a termite mound, beavers build dams. If you're worried about CO2 plant a carbon capture device (tree)... don't restrict movement or people's ability to use bio-fuels like gasoline or diesel. Oxygen is what parasites that feed on plants breath anyway, it's a noxious gas.It's all about money and control, as always.

Because they're probably too busy discoursing over wich company produces better buttplugs, And also because i wanted to create an army of insane people to protest eco-friendly stuff for me lol, and for free. >>5008819

>>5008859
>you're a human-supremist and want to control the Earth so your era will be artificially extended
Correct. You say that like it’s a bad thing you nihilistic wet wipe

>>5008922
Lol this

Save some of that global warmth for me

>>5009016
Wanna swap? We're cooking here

>>5008807
We do, it's called nuclear power and public transportation. Unfortunately both can't really be privatised so no one is interested. We have had the solutions for literal decades but no one is willing to up end the societal norm of private transportation and having to overhaul an entire county's power infrastructure to do it.

>>5009010 What? you want me to show you images of epic games instead? Whatever, anon

>>5008977
>eeeeeeeerm aren't humans also natural? enriched plutonium is natural if you really think about it.
Do we really need to have this gay argument? If you have a nice lake in your area and a company pours toxic sludge into it and everything in the lake and every plant around it dies and it turns into an ugly piece of crap you know what unnatural in this context means

>>5009016
Man I can't wait for winter so I can be cozy again.

FACT: It's mandatory for oil billionaires to pray in front of their shrine to Chernobyl every day, thanking the incident for fucking up the view of nuclear forever.

>>5009032
What if we just went back to horses for private transportation?

>>5008977
Our pollution is as natural as the heat emmited from termite mounds and beaver dams. We are natural lifeforms, our pollution is the natural byproduct of us being successful enough to become a problem to ourselves.

>>5009001
It's not nihilsium, it's just being sick of years of gaslighting with people saying; "I'm doing this for the pandas! I'M DOING THIS FOR THE PANDAS AND THE WHALES!"

If people were just more honest in their communication, a lot of people who push back on green policies would actually find more common ground with those trying to stop the problem we face.

>>5008934
The most mentally-ill thing you can do to yourself is lie to yourself about what your true motives are for performing any action.

It is 100% healthy for an individual to want to survive, to want their family to survive into the future passed them and to want humanity to continue on from there.
All these "save the earth" protestors are lying to themselves about what motivates them and why they are afraid about climate change as we roll ahead into the future. Their brains are shorting out from the controdictions; they are "saving the planet" by controling the planet... If they were more honest and said; "We have to lower pollution and reverse trends to control the planet for Humanity's low-term survival" then they'd all be much more stable and sane.

>>5008785 (OP)
My take on why nobody cares to take action on global warming despite the overwhelming evidence is 2 fold

1.) It is a disaster in slowotion although we are beginning to feel the effects the changes are happening so slowly that by the time there is a noticeable difference in climate, the change progressed so slowly that everyone's baseline of normal has shifted so noticeable disaster has taken place. It is a disaster that simultaneously occurs continuously in slow motion and it effects or influences almost every physical earth process which it makes it essentially an omnipresent disaster making it all encompassing so people can see a in alternative option.

2.) Elites tried to use climate change as a way to profit and control the public but they have found this not to be very effective so they have largely given up pushing climate change in favor for more useful tools like war amd civil unrest.

>>5009239
>I'M DOING IT FOR THE PARTS OF NATURE I LIKE
This IS being honest. We can survive entirely without nature.

The hard part is going to be setting up the political framework for denying arabs, africans and hispanics entry into sanctuary areas so we can maintain our unique cultures and natural adaptations to them.

>>5008922
Same reason when they show nuclear plants with like radioactive green
Idiots

>>5009239
There are plenty of people who do it for the pandas or whales or whatever though. There was an international ban on commercial whaling because people liked whales, not because everyone was terrified that not having whales was going to kill them. I know this is hard for someone like you to understand but not everyone is purely selfish and only wants green policies to save their own skin

>>5009032
>public transportation
So the choice is global warming or ride the bus with violent niggers and illegals? Global warming it is.

>>5009257
This is such a braindead take "nature" is literally the life support system of our planet we cannot survive without it. People really are clueless about how the world works.

>>5009431
But you are assuming that our (humanity's) perferred thermostat settings on the planet for the "correct" setting - Nature is dynamic; it shifts between phases that are friendly and unfriendly to lifeforms like us humans and there's nothing bad about that in terms of the health of the planet. We are the dinosaurs upset that the world is getting colder because that's not our ideal environment. We need to wake up and understand that our comfort is not the same as nature operating correctly.

>>5009284
I'm not complaining about people honestly expressing themselves. What I am saying is that a lot of the crazies (stop oil, so on) keep sighting conservation as their motive but when you ask them to explain themselves it's really about a fear of human-habitability coming to an end. They don't want to say that initally, so gaslight themselves and go crazy instead of being honest and transparent.

All the people I know who are genuinely focused on animal conservation (meaning they don't protest or shame people; they actively do things like recycle and fund ocean-cleaning projects directly) aren't nutjobs because they have properly identified what they want to do for what reason.

>>5008785 (OP)
If reality was a chess game humanity has checkmated itself. The masses are entitled, the rich are wasteful, nukes make depopulation through war impossible, the economy relies on cheap garbage & people are addicted to cheap garbage, a french revolution is impossible due to increased surveillance & security. Whatever movement you create can be much more easily co-opted in this (dis)information age.
Humanity has failed.

>>5009212
>horses
No bring back dog carts. That way it will encourage people to breed strong healthy breeds and not abominations

>>5009418
>anon does not want to ride the pan-european Breitspurbahn

>>5009504
Basically conflict and religion was a fantastic way for humans to keep themselves in check. Now that those two checks have been removed humanity has grasped complete freedom, which it clearly cannot handle. Technological & social progress unironically has doomed an immature humanity.

>>5009504
You ever tried posting that on (insert mainstream sms here) bruv

>>5008807
Plastics too are a problem.
>>5008785 (OP)
Best case scenario, we run out of cheap oil before we kill ourselves. It's in the hands of god.

>>5009155
Is this ai

>>5008859
>Planet Earth will roll on without us and that's what no one wants to admit.
So Death Stranding is real?

3rdie shitholes pollute way more than 1st world countries, go kill them. Global warming is fake and gay. Microplastics however, will kill us all.

>>5009888
>muh global warming not real
>but muh heckin microplastics is killing us!

OP
The truth is that its too late. Its already over.

In fact it was over before you even knew there was a problem. Before all the enviro stuff, it was already done.
Anyone who studied the issue knows it. Now we are just playing for time and for fun.

>>5010017
To add
If we wanted to fix this, it would have required radical action decades ago. Nuking china kind of radical action, not wearing a hemp shirt to a protest.

>>5008804
>>5008851
>>5008949
>>5008785 (OP)
>>5010017
>>5010018
The truth is natural states do not and never did exist. The world's ecosystem has always changed and we have been changing it for thousands of years. What is "natural" regarding our enviroment is a fallacy born out of familarity. The idea that there is a moral imperative in minimizing human influence under the justification of it being "unnatural" is stupid and the idea we won't be able to adapt or we will go extinct with up to 90% of life on earth is even more ridiculous. Inside every one of us of is two gay wolves: one denies global warming exists, the other accepts it and does not care. Most people give into the former by the time they are 50 when they realize so much has changed in their lifetime that making a fuss over something relatively far slower and unavoidable is moronic.

>>5010028
Trees fall over in nature all the time, so there's nothing wrong with turning the Amazon into a parking lot.

>there's nothing anyone can do! it's inevitable! give up!
You think this way because billions of dollars were spent over decades hammering this sense of helplessness into the public to prevent regulation and cleaner competing energy industries from slowing down the gravy train. Even now as Texas is being kept alive by solar, the government is sending gibs to coal and gas plants instead of letting the market adapt to to ever more efficient alternatives, because the public has been conditioned to think it's pointless to change anything since the 60's.

>>5010033
>Trees fall over in nature all the time, so there's nothing wrong with turning the Amazon into a parking lot.
That's has nothing to do with anything that I said. My point was not that "natural" processes exist that change ecosystems which justify human processes, my point is that the planet has already been irreparably changed by human related processes which for some reason people deem to be arbitrarily seperate from "natural" processes when in reality there is no basis. If you said:
>humans cut down trees all the time so lets turn the amazon into a parking lot
That would be closer to my argument.
>there's nothing anyone can do! it's inevitable! give up!
Give up what? Again you missed the point I was trying to make. There isn't anything to give up about, but people who are societally raised to believe that there is a duty to uphold with the enviroment give up eventually within the cultural zeitgeist they are raised in. But not everyone "gives up", some people already know it's a false premise to begin with.

Cutting down the amazon would not be inherently immoral, but cutting it down arbitrarily or for the sake of it would be. That's the real ethics to question, the reasoning behind it. If the reasoning is sound it can be justified. But appealing to it being unjust just because it is "nature" isn't.

Sorry but the climate change fear mongers have started to say that 90F is unprecedented wet bulb temperature for my area... I'm 34 and lived here all my life, there were years where it went over 100F. And it rained for all of June humidity hadn't gone under 60% for weeks. So I can no longer take it seriously. Besides even if I am mistaken it is a quite high elevation where I live, if the ocean swells it won't attect me much if at all. More than the climate what is concerning is massive extinction of insects and inevitability that China, India, and Brazil will have depleted fishery stock beyond recovery in only a few decades. But those are problems caused by thirdie rapaciousness not climate.

.

How do people still believe global warming shills? They've been wrong literally every time for 50 years.

>>5010076
I'm sure those climate change fear mongers would love to know what year exactly your area became the hottest place ever recorded, shattering the UAE's record by WT1.4C, you fucking retard.
No amount of data or evidence can change the mind of someone with a vague feeling of everyone else being wrong.

>>5008785 (OP)
you are correct. its all just so some dudes can have a ton of money

Even assuming our emissions mean anything for the bigger picture, my country is largely irrelevant and I can do nothing about China's, USA's, India's, Russia's (etc.) politics. Not that I can really blame them, one should NEVER make decisions regarding climate without taking country's energetic safety into account. Or you can, but then your people will die and those polluting ones will build a power plant over your house's ruins.

>>5010076
>I don't know what wet bulb temperature means
Anyways, climate change is a fact
It is caused by human activity

Anyone who says otherwise is furiously defending the jewish-owned fossil fuel industry, jewish-owned auto industry, jewish-owned international trade industry, jewish interest in oil producing middle eastern lands, jewish investments in the third world, etc, yknow actual sources of pollution

It is curious that the only country that is serious allies with israel is the source of all climate change denial isn't it?

>>5010157
Jewish owned investment companies, as well as two major backers of israel (russia and the US) have an immense interest in global warming opening up arctic shipping lanes as well

Gee i wonder why the people who deny climate change are concentrated among israel's allies

>>5010157
>>5010158
>And the solution? Give more money and power to Jewish owned governments

>>5010151
Do you know that F stands for fahrenheit

>>5010171
No, make it 110 and invest in nuclear power and hydrogen cars.

Environmentalism is not possible with a homogenous self interested and self sufficient nation.

>>5010177
*WITHOUT
Worst autocorrect typo ever

>>5010177
near impossible to store hydrogen over long periods. imagine not driving for a week and your full tank goes to empty because hydrogen seeps through everything. lol

>>5010157
I am not furiously defending anything, only saying that in the place where I have lived all my life the weather has not been unusual. Only thing which seems to change over time is shade of red used for 95F on the map gets noticeably darker each year.

Just trying to get through the hottest week of the year over here

>>5010076
>>5010206
Where do you live anyway

>>5010173
Yeah because I converted it to compare to the record list.

>>5010206
You accidentally admitted in your post that you don't what the numbers mean, no one cares about what you half remember the temperature being in the past.

>>5010418
i care

>>5008785 (OP)
Climate alarmist cult destroyed all real environmental issues to promote watermelon communism.

Why do you think it's so astroturfed? Instead of talking about globalism and corporate pollution and big industry or big agriculture's over-use of GMO/pesticides, they talk about individuals driving cars or having gas lawn mowers and raising taxes and giving you a "carbon allowance"; and the eugenicist psychos like Bill Gates have already made it clear their goal of "reducing carbon" is really just about "reducing people" or mass murder and genocide and enslavement. Then once they've blocked public access to areas they're "rewilding", you can imagine how much big industry will rape the land and all the eco-retards will celebrate the fact that people aren't allowed in huge swaths of land.

>>5010456
try posting that on xter or bsky if you want change

>>5008818
>>5008911
>>5009548
>>5010457
nypa

>>5010456
I wonder how much of this shit you actually believe

>>5010468
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQ0jvnESBD4

>>5010468
Name one environmental issue climatetards actually talk about which they don't manage to circle back around to promoting watermelon communism. And none of the climate alarmist discussions even mention the obvious geoengineering programs which have been patented, documented, and proven for years (even with water/soil samples) since they're all just useful idiots for big government programmed by all the propaganda in the schools and media.

>but the world's gonna end in 5 years if we don't give the government and the private central bank more power, take away more individual rights, and raise taxes with a new "carbon tax"!
Eat shit, pinko. You commies have been singing that same tune for decades.

>>5010473
they believe geoengineering might ruin the ecosystem or something

>>5009244
Except this is what climate scientists and a lot of these protesters HAVE been saying for over two decades now, and the political elites and main stream media don't care or have spent their time belittling despite continually being proved right; and even now most conservatives still spread bullshit about climate change.

>>5009508
NAH BOY IF YOU TRY TO STOP ME FROM SLAMMING N SMASHING MY SKEEMZ YOU GON DIE AVE STAY PUFFT

The reality is that despite the warnings most people seem to not care about the environment, the planet and humanities future. The reality is most people are NPCs and fall hook, line and sinker for the elites right-wing narrative on the environment and climate change even when the contradictions become clear.

Successive governments and organisations have spent the last two decades ignoring these issues and they obviously haven't gone away but have got worse. Here in the south of Britain each summer now is basically a heatwave and has drought warnings and the temperatures are reaching into the high 20s and 30s degrees celsius. The summers are much hotter and drier than they were even in the 2000s and early 2010s. This is the pattern across the rest of Europe and the world, yet despite this the elites, the tory politicians and their media machine still rankle about doing anything, and anyone who suggests doing something is an "eco-zealot" and a "control-freak" communist, yet is due to their likes and their inaction that the action that needs to take place becomes even greater and seemingly radical. You would think with more extreme weather that most would realise and even politicians realise the need to act but apparently not, its just "oh the weather is very hot and it seems to be a pattern, oh well".

Even in non-climate change areas of environmental concern there is a distinctive lack of it from politicians, civil servants, private companies and the general public. Water utilities were privatised several decades ago now as part of the general Thatcherite privatising "leave it to the market" mania and the scandal of the environmental records of these companies has been going on for years. Yet nothing is done and of course the media and the tories are quick to attack if you suggest something should be done. The argument is always the same on all topics "it will cost more, taxes will rise. etc etc" even whilst the country goes to shit.

>>5010524
You retards said the ice caps would've been melted by now. Literally kill yourself.

Unfortunately there does not seem a solution that will result in significant progress while at the same time not fundamentally threatening national security and industrial prospects, plummeting living standards and violating various perceived freedoms or being egregiously bellicose in nature.

Which means that unless the west sacrifices itself so that shitskin jeets can inherit and rape the earth for the whole thing to be in vain, become a series of eco-fascist (the bad kind of fascist) regimes or unilaterally declare TND (the good kind of fascist) and nukes everyone over a three on the fitzpatrick scale into dust, nothing will happen. Which it invariably wont.

>>5010524
>"lol", said the elected official
>"lmao"

>>5009212
Okay but you clean their shit.

>>5010530
>does not seem a solution that will result in significant progress while at the same time not fundamentally threatening national security and industrial prospects, plummeting living standards and violating various perceived freedoms or being egregiously bellicose in nature.
Of course there are solutions, its just that they are antithetical to the dominant neo-liberal ideology of the elites in the Anglosphere and hence why they refuse to countenance them. Perhaps the national security (aka buying from china) risks wouldn't exist if successive governments had actually invested in domestic industry for "green" energy, and Britain has barely any real industry anyway so any investment would increase "industrial prospects".

I'm not going to reply to the poltard who calls everyone a watermelon, but idiots like that don't seem to understand that the reason why lots of environmentalists are socialists - or at the least believe that some, at least more than now, state intervention in the economy is necessary - is because of the failure of the last 45 year political zeitgeist, the elites dogmatic ideological stance, to deal with the problem. Perhaps if they had, less would be drawn to "radical" politics both left and right.

>>5010547
>environmentalists are socialists - or at the least believe that some, at least more than now, state intervention in the economy is necessary - is because of the failure of the last 45 year political zeitgeist, the elites dogmatic ideological stance, to deal with the problem.
the irony of this is so wild because socialism has destroyed the environment where they were, due to the inherent devolution into authoritarianism; if had they said that socialism was the choice because it was going to kill everyone who doesnt the rules for environmentalism, then okay, thats par for course and would solve a lot of problems, but thinking that government intervention is not going to devolve instantly to corruption and self enrichment for party members is delusional of the reality of human nature, history, and common sense, so why should i believe a delusional person

>>5010556
You seem to be arguing from a perspective that every single environmentalist and any with even slightly "left-wing" views are "socialist" and that any Socialist is a Stalinist, and that's what I'm calling for, but that is not the case.
>but thinking that government intervention is not going to devolve instantly to corruption and self enrichment for party members is delusional of the reality of human nature
Only if what they where proposing is a one-party dictatorship. "government intervention" is such a broad term that it disingenuous to immediately assume that means a one-party soviet style state, a the very least you can be a socialist and not be in favour of a soviet style system and I could argue there's plenty of systematic corruption is developed liberal countries like America or France. There's plenty current governments could so without overturning the whole economic system to deal with the current environmental crises. My point was the inaction of successive "moderate" governments for decades now that is the result of people becoming "eco-fascists", which is seen in other areas of policy as well like immigration.

>>5010578
>arguing from a perspective that every single environmentalist and any with even slightly "left-wing" views are "socialist" and that any Socialist is a Stalinist
no, im merely stating the irony and the reality of their beliefs, this is not the argument, its a statement and observation
>Only if what they where proposing is a one-party dictatorship.
yes, thats how socialism is only possible, because it assumes that 100% of people are good people, its not, its like 30%, socialism fails if one person is a bad person, so your only option is to constantly and rigorously purge bad actors, which solves the problem of global warming
>disingenuous to immediately assume that means a one-party soviet style state
because i was referring to socialist states specifically, beyond that, when has it not devolved into those things, assuming that government can or will do the right thing is delusional, especially in a democracy