It's surprisingly easy to be a much more ethical omnivore

You can cause vastly less suffering to animals without going vegan

In my view, eating meat in the modern era is seriously morally wrong. Most animals live extremely terrible lives in factory farms—because of a century of hideous genetic engineering, they live in constant pain. Around 99% of animals live in dark, cramped, squalid conditions, with too little space to move or spread their wings, choking on filth and ammonia and feces. Horrific mutilation—tail-docking, debeaking, dehorning—is routine. Transport is stressful and often fatal.

Despite this, most people continue to eat meat, generally without thinking much about their meat consumption. This is a mistake; it’s easy to cause vastly less cruelty with your animal consumption even if you keep eating animal products. While I think meat eating is wrong, it’s not all equally wrong. There are three big ways you can cause much less suffering through your consumption of animal products.

1 Offset
The first way is: offset. Offsetting is the practice of donating to charities that reverse the negative impact one has on the world. For example, if you fly a lot, you might donate to offset your carbon emissions by giving money to a charity reversing carbon emissions. Overall, by offsetting you make your aggregate impact zero or positive.

Now, there are some thorny ethical questions about the permissibility of offsetting (for instance, it’s not typically thought that an assassin can get off scot-free by donating a few thousand bucks to the Against Malaria Foundation each time they perform an assassination). But clearly offsetting is vastly better than doing nothing. It is much better to have a neutral impact on animals than to have a strongly negative impact on them.

>>5016282 (OP)
I’ve written more about offsetting here. To offset your negative impacts on each of the animals you eat, it only takes about 23 dollars a month. It costs less than a dollar per day to make sure that every animal is made better off by your existence. I’d recommend offsetting by donating to one of the top Animal Charity Evaluators charities, which have been found, through rigorous study, to be the most effective organizations for helping animals. You can also donate to Farmkind’s general fund, which splits the money it receives across the highly effective animal charities—if you give 23 dollars a month to Farmkind, you won’t have a negative impact on any animal species, and you will have an extremely positive impact on some!

I think it’s better to be vegan and donate to effective animal charities than to just donate, but if you do eat meat, donating to effective animal charities is a super simple way of undoing the suffering that you cause. It strikes me as the bare minimum. If you are going to pay for animals to be subjected to cruelty, you should make sure that in the aggregate, animals aren’t made worse off because of you.

2 Buy pasture raised animals
The next big way to reduce animal suffering is to get animal products from a more ethical source. Not all animal products are equally bad. When purchasing chicken or eggs, try to get them pasture-raised. A pasture-raised animal was allowed to roam out in the fields and had adequate space. While a lot of the labels slapped on animal products are bullshit to varying degrees, pasture-raised is not—it actually means the animal got to roam around in a field with adequate space for its whole life.

Pasture-raised," "cage-free," and the problems of scale
Unfortunately, many terms that you’d think mean the animals are pasture-raised don’t really. As the good folks over at A Greener World write:

>>5016283
Labels that really mean animals are pasture-raised are: Certified Animal Welfare Approved by AGW, Certified Grassfed by AGW, Certified Non-GMO by AGW and Certified Regenerative by AGW. While Certified Humane doesn’t require all animals to be pasture-raised [to receive the] label, they have an optional pasture-raised standard that some of their certified farms use.

There’s some chance an animal product will falsely claim to be pasture raised, so make sure to look for an independent certification. Other labels mostly don’t mean much but are usually better than nothing.

Free range just means the animal has access to outdoors. But in practice, this typically means that tens of thousands of animals are crammed in crowded indoor conditions with a small outdoor gate that only a few can go through. It’s better than nothing but still very bad.

Cage free just means that rather than stuffing 4 chickens in a cage where they can’t move, they stuff 100,000 in a barn where they can’t move. Now admittedly it’s somewhat better, but still extremely bad.

Organic also means that they can be wildly overcrowded and mutilated so long as they’re fed the right kind of diet.

A nice-sounding label doesn’t mean the animal was treated well. Before buying an animal based on a label, make sure you know what the label means and that it means the animals actually lived a nice life in a field. Remember, the industry is trying desperately to lie to you. In practice, people who say they only eat high-welfare meat almost always end up eating meat from factory farms—so make sure, if you’re trying to eat high-welfare meat, to be careful and judicious. Dairy won’t usually say “pasture-raised,” but you can look for the aforementioned accreditation standards.

(Also, if you go full Vasco and think the main impact of one’s meat consumption comes from its impact on insects, animals that roam about consume more food and decrease insect populations more).

You are over complicating it.

We just need to discourage urban dwelling and encourage suburban livestock keeping like eveyone use to do in the early modern era. Even tiny houses like terraced buildings used to have familys which would have a pig in the garden or some chickens which they would get the local butcher to slaughter for free for the cost of 50% of the meat or get your neighbor to do it in return for killing his so you are not attatched.

>>5016284
3 Eat bigger animals
By changing which animals you eat, you can vastly diminish the amount of animal suffering you cause. Different animals cause vastly different amounts of animal suffering. Chickens are much smaller than cows, so over a lifetime, the average person eats thousands of chickens and just a few cows. Avoiding chicken—especially factory-farmed chicken—and eggs are the most important.

Just how many animals do Americans eat? And how many would you save by going meatless one day a week? - EnvironMath!
It’s also important to avoid farmed fish and shrimp which are small, treated poorly, and live for long periods on the farm. Americans tend to eat hundreds of shrimp annually and thousands of fish over the course of their life. Fish and shrimp both live in extremely terrible conditions, with about half of shrimp dying before slaughter. Also avoid honey given the astronomical suffering it causes to bees.

A decent heuristic is: the bigger the animal, the better. Dairy is the least bad animal product. Cows produce so much dairy that over the course of your life, you’ll only consume around the milk production of around one cow. Beef is also vastly less bad than others. So is lamb. Pigs are worse than cows. Chickens, turkey, and eggs are worse than pig, and farmed seafood is probably even worse than chicken. Wild caught fish is also one of the less bad ones.

If you take any one of these items of advice, you can easily eliminate the vast majority of suffering caused by your consumption of animals products. If you only purchase high-welfare animals, offset, or restrict your animal-product consumption to large animals, you can easily eliminate 90% or more of the suffering you caused through your consumption of animal products. I don’t think you should eat animals, but if you are going to eat animals and you care about animal welfare, these things seem like no-brainers.

https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/21437054/chickens-factory-farming-animal-cruelty-welfare

https://ourworldindata.org/data-insights/almost-all-livestock-in-the-united-states-is-factory-farmed

https://benthams.substack.com/p/weve-created-hell-its-called-factory

https://benthams.substack.com/p/what-to-do-if-you-love-meat-but-hate?utm_source=publication-search

https://www.farmkind.giving/compassion-calculator-v2

https://www.farmkind.giving/donate

https://www.farmkind.giving/donate

https://agreenerworld.org/a-greener-world/what-is-pasture-raised/

https://www.newrootsinstitute.org/articles/free-range-chicken?utm_source=chatgpt.com

https://www.nbcsandiego.com/nbc-7-responds-2/cracking-the-code-on-egg-labels/3788183/

https://welfarefootprint.org/laying-hens/

https://forum.effectivealtruism.org/posts/Rjutj7Jd2v2KHvDyA/cost-effectiveness-accounting-for-soil-nematodes-mites-and

https://easternfish.com/why-shrimp-is-americas-favorite-seafood/

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2015/03/11/meat-eaters-animals-lifetime/70136010/

https://benthams.substack.com/p/underwater-torture-chambers

https://rethinkpriorities.org/research-area/welfare-considerations-for-farmed-shrimp/

https://benthams.substack.com/p/dont-eat-honey

>>5016285
This.

>>5016285
>>5016291
this, absolutely. It's the obvious and optimal answer.

>>5016282 (OP)
Become farmer.
Raise animals ethically and in a manner that produces high quality product.
Sell the meat, dairy, eggs or whatever.
Inform people about your ethical farming practices.

People try your product and will say WOW This is so good I'm never buying eggs from the store again. The higher price you charge is actually worth it because your product is so delicious!

This is a true story. Many many people tell me that they can't buy eggs from the grocery store because ours are so much better.

Become the change you want to see in the world.

>>5016282 (OP)
eat less
most people in the civilized world eat more than what their body needs even if theyre considered average weight. One complete meal a day is enough

>>5016282 (OP)
If you don't do it yourself. Your coping.
Free range.
Long life.
One swift motion to kill them done in the early am.
Their entire lives except for one bad day.

You need to to it yourself.

The best way to eliminate animal suffering is to eliminate all animals.
Fish, for example, produce millions of offspring each season but the vast majority of which - something like 80% - starves to death. Not eaten, starved to death. Fish shouldn't be allowed to live, they suffer too much.

>>5016531
Cute that you thought this was an own, but no, animals dying naturally is not unethical shitforbrains.

>>5016531
Not a single person mentioned eliminating all animal suffering though?

Eating meat is natural and denying your own nature is a greater moral crime than animal suffering will ever be

>>5016285
This. Nobody should have guilt they are eating meat which is nutritionally required for humans. (brains are made of saturated fat, nervous system is made of saturated fat, hormones are made of cholsterol.)

>small local farming, having a chicken or pig
OY VEY THIS IS ANTISEMETIC!

>>5016561
This. It's a mental illness. Veganism is orthorexia. The only acceptable vegetarian is one who supplements with large amounts of eggs, fish, and cheese.
>>5016531
Ah the classic PETA/eco-terrorist mindset.

>>5016282 (OP)
I don't care what happens to livestock

They are inferior species that belong under the boot of superior carnivores. The bloodmouth will conquer the stars. Grass munchers, stay in your pens.

Also fuck your AI generated thread

>>5016282 (OP)
Fuck off
Where is the AI slop report option?

>>5016282 (OP)
The theoretical suffering of cows has no moral weight and there’s no actual argument for it in absence of a god that supports your position. Even name that trait makes too many assumptions. For what reason must value be rejected? It’s not there in the first place.

>>5016531
What about the plant suffering? Plants are just as alive as animals are.

>>5016282 (OP)
Why do you need to eat animals?

>>5016637
Humans need meat to live

All vegans are deficient in micronutrients needed for brain function. Children who grow up vegan end up shorter and dumber than their peers. Vegans have been clinging to their oversocialized upper class averages for a while but when they reproduce (rarely.) the malnutrition issues are obvious.

>>5016568
Animals do not need to be put through hellish levels of torment, pain, and fear to be raised for meat.

>>5016637
Saturated fat
>brain, nervous system
cholesterol
>hormones

>>5016639
This. All vegans look like crack addicts after 5-10 years. Self imposed malnutrition.

>>5016652
You make it sound like they are being tortured on purpose. Is killing bugs for monocrop farming evil? Or just a certain level of cuteness threshold?

>>5016671
Did you see the statistics about the pain battery farmed chickens go through? It's brutal. Factory farming in general is about as far from a natural lifestyle as you can possibly get and the animals do experience a lot of suffering, pain, and fear. Ethical farming is really about giving animals as close to a natural lifestyle as possible and the great part is, is that the product tastes way better because of it.

Bugs are tricky because they may not have the same capacity for feeling as mammals and birds. Do you feel bad for jamming a knife into a living oyster scraping it off the shell and then swallowing it whole and probably still alive?

>>5016695
If European countries removed demand for food by deporting tens of millions of illegals, and stopped subsidizing farms with repurposed tax dollars (buying food to be sent overseas for free), the financial room to run clean farms would probably exist.

>>5016708
I think that making meat more expensive and creating incentive for ethical farming would be better than mass deportation lol.

>>5016711
Nta but why would you want to make meat more expensive and not crackdown on excess populations which are illegally living in a given area and increasing food demand? Surely the focus should be the inverse. Remove international exportation or importation of meat and making farmers fill in the gap would do better infrastructurely in the long term and decrease the demand in meat overall by removing an international buyer base fron the equation It would also force farmers to be more considerate of land management to maximise meat cultivation while remaining free range (which they should be more considerate of anyway) and encourage the local crop market to keep up with livestock feed which in turn would make healthy crop goods cheaper across the board for the consumer, leading to an averagely healthier population. Even if you're anti-meat that is a good trade off to have as it will encourage poorer populations (which are increasing by the day as the middle class falls off) to go to vegetable or grain crop goods if they are cheaper than processed ones. Thus leading to a slowly increasing healthy population with less strain on the healthcare network and the economy as a whole.

>>5016728
>equation.* It would

>>5016573
>>5016572
It's not AI lol

>>5016671
Why would you want saturated fat? That's literally not what your body is programmed to use. Stop listening to stupid avocado salesmen. There are only TWO (2) essential fatty acids (Alpha-linolenic Acid and Linoleic Acid - EPA & DHA *might* be essential-ish) and they're both unsaturated.

>>5016728
You can make meat more expensive and reduce the human population

>>5016282 (OP)
>feel bad? Pay me money so you can be a good person

Fuck off
Ill have some extra meat today for you, you shyster fuck

>>5016755
>why would you want to eat saturated fat, which all of your cell walls are made of
You really should do more biology research before forming opinions.

>>5016755
>there are only two essential fatty acids
Note: This mean essential to survive. The amount of fats you need to THRIVE and actually get your entire genetically predetermined height/iq score/testosterone level is much larger.

A lot of vegans obviously only survive. Humans were not meant to eat a predominantly plant based diet. It has always been 50%+ meat.

>>5017147
uhm, the early agricultural peasants who were notoriously shorter and smaller brained ate almsot no meat!

>>5016824
"""Why""" make meat more expensive?

>>5017147
It is worth noting humans are actually highly varied in diet adaptation depending on region of the world. Some populations are hyper adapted to grain while others arn't and suffer healthwise as a result. The natives of australia is a good example of this if you ever look up what they used look like prior to the colony and what their diet was like compared to the present where obestity is rife. But you are right for the most part, humans evolved as adapted omnivores from herbivores and out intestinal tract shows this.

>>5016755
Those are "essential" in that there's absolutely no way to synthesise or convert other fatty acids or get them from a more complex initial "reactant" biochemically. Same thing with certain amino acids (I can never remember) but you still need a certain total amount of the "other ones" anyway (but some can be "converted"). You still need a certain amount of "bulk" input of saturated fats - but they can be processed into whatever's needed on the fly

>>5017235
The likes of, for example EEFs, were much smaller and less resistant to disease than WHG or WSH, so eating meats and dairy would still likely improve their health. It's more so that some groups can "get away" with being a grainslop peasant better but they would still be better off with a good diet

>>5016416
Aren't free range eggs bad for you? Because the chicken can eat whatever toxic crap and poison the egg. That's why the chickens kept in tiny cages have the healthiest (for humans) and cheapest eggs

>>5018011
Organinc free range.

Check mate.

>>5018011
No lol.

>>5018020
Elaborate? That's just what I read when I was researching this stuff. It's not some conspiracy theory, you can google it. Could be lies from egg manufacturers, but idk sounds logical to me, and if it's true people should know about it. Who wants to pay premium for the privilege of getting poisoned? Especially if you are poor.

>>5018023
what does "toxic crap" mean to you? are they going to find uranium in the barn they're roaming around in?

>>5017235
Populations that are hyper adapted to grain still NEED meat to reach their full potential. Evolution does not optimize for greatness, it optimizes for shitting out babies before dying. Biology does not care when those with the most amylase survive, it's a thoughtless and purposeless statistical thing. They may survive but they need meat to score 3 digits on an IQ test and grow to their full size.

>>5017235
>"""Why""" make meat more expensive?
because veganism is ultimately anti-human. they just use the mudslime strategy of waiting until they can get away with it before they take the mask off.

>>5018030
heavy metals in topsoil from people burning leaded gas is a real issue. they inevitably consume lead which ends up in their eggs.

>>5018033
free range doesn't mean they are out in an open field with the sun shining. it just means they aren't confined to a cage.

>>5018043
This is bad for the chickens too, because there's too many of them with too little room, so they end up fighting and hurting each other? Is what I read.

>>5018043
That's the legal industry definition not the actual definition used by people

A normal person would call these birds penned which is neither free range nor factory farming, but can edge closer to factory farming with absurd densities like this. I have just 15 chickens in a building 1/3 that size and it's kind of cramped.

>>5018060
Usda minimum sq.ft per bird
Cage free = 1.2sq.ft
Free range = 2sq.ft
Pasture = 108 sq.ft

>>5018030
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11010967/

>>5018093
>Overall, the supermarket egg albumens were significantly more contaminated than the rural ones.

>>5018096
The rural eggs had more arsenic though. Sounds like ethical farming is only good for the birds cause the cheapest eggs you can buy in supermarket are not that much healthier than the rural ones.

>>5018093
>raising your own chicken and eggs BAD! buy factory farm eggs!
nah

>>5018111
*much less healthier

>>5018096
Also that's just one study with a single farm. The problem with this stuff is that you don't really know what you get. The study itself acknowledges this:

>Finally, the analysis of toxic elements in feed can be difficult in this type of farming because hens eat what they find in the environment and this is subject to many factors, mainly related to seasonality.

The "ethical" eggs could be better than the eggs from the store, could be worse which I guess depends on the purity of soil. Like in the above study the chickens lived on some rural farm in Spain with access to a park, and apparently the eggs were less polluted than the organic ones from the store because the soil wasn't trash. But in this study from Australia the backyard eggs are full of lead and are worse than eggs from the store:

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S004896971630821X

The study is about urban farming, so yeah, the quality of the soil is shit. But would those results be impossible on a rural farm?

I don't really trust farmers. They are greedy, just like the big companies and they use metric fucktons of chemicals. They keep the good stuff for themselves, and the stuff they sell to city people is sometimes so shit it's downright lethal. So yeah, I don't care for their fancy free range overpriced eggs.

>>5018190
Pasture raised eggs are generally better tasting, have a better consistency to the yolks/whites, and if fed the correct diet their fatty acid profile and nutrient density will be much better than the cheap eggs.

If you want the best eggs go to a farmstand or farmers market and get eggs that are less than 3 days old, organic fed, and pasture raised.

>>5016282 (OP)
>donate to charity
>imagine you've changed the world

>>5018299
>farmers market
lol no.

>>5016282 (OP)
Every single issue on this planet comes down to over population.
Every.
Single.
Issue.

>>5018307
They have the best eggs aside from farm stands. More eggs for the real egg appreciators lol

>>5018299
Most farmer markets will just buy grocery eggs and resell them and lie to you.
Get a supplier or refuse to buy eggs unless they are unwashed.

If your chickens are fed a well rounded diet and treated well, they will have a deep almond orange colored yolk. If it isn't deep it doesn't mean the bird wa mistreated, but it's diet was boring and lacked foragables.

This is literally all I do.

>>5018307
It's not a farmers market if they are charging premium prices. It's a yuppie outdoor grocery store.

My free range, unwashed, collected in the last 2-3 day eggs are 3$ a dozen. Or 2 if you bring a carton.

If I get overetocked it's 3$ for a 18 pack.

>>5018305
I donate or of excess food. It doesn't change the world but someone at least ate that night.
It's more than you do for your community.

>>5016286
Ostrich bros we are so back!

>>5016286
>half of shrimp dying before slaughter.
This is a bit dramatic no?

>>5018314
>t.

>>5018562
Most grocery store eggs are a month old and utter shit. You have to go to a certified grower producer farmers market if you want eggs grown by the farm.

Not strictly true either. Depending on the season yolk color can change even if they are on good pasture.

>>5018563
I'm from Europe so all eggs are unwashed, and I kinda doubt they tell you any of that other stuff. I'm not even sure if they sell eggs. I never cared about farmers markets to begin with, but now I avoid them on principle after some dipshits in my country killed a guy with poisonous jellied meat. I also had some hillbillies brag to my face how they only sell garbage food in the city. Fuck them with a rusty rake.

My dad buys eggs from "a guy" and he says they are pricey. They have freaky double yolks and are big and white, but aside from that they are not much different from the cheap ones I buy in a local supermarket. The taste is not much better, and there's no proof there are any healthier. Does not seem worth it at all.

>>5016282 (OP)
Why do you care about animals when humans (children) are getting murdered right now? Fix one thing first. Boycot Pissarael first then think about muh animals.

>>5018674
Yea. I know. That's why I said a deep yolk is a sign of a well rounded diet.. You can feed them shit and then just some dandelions and get a deep orangish yellow. There is so much too it. But your right it's not a definite. It's just a "sign" to look for.
Dull yolk, full food MOST of the time.
Depending on location and income you can do farm stands and sell eggs and not incorporate.
If you donate your protected by a charity clause for food production and illness. You can't be sued unless you intended to get people sick.

It's true most eggs are around 2-3 months old in the store.
>>5018675
Double yolks are pretty common. You can candle them and also once you get use to it just the size alone and feel your like "probably double yolk"

They sometimes lay what are called fart eggs with no yolk which is equally as neat.

I admire Europe for the way or does eggs.

>>5018677
It's cool to see another eggchad on here. Whats your flock size?

>>5018676
You're in that "all life is life" cult.

Animals are morally separate from people. Animal morality is about raising the moral standard of the people. Humanism is about replacing your own ethnicity with the first one that wants to replace it, because kindness always falls to cruelty.

A nation must be inwardly kind and outwardly callous or it will be replaced by one that is.

>>5018679
50-100 chickens depending on season (I over winter less)
Around 10 assorted Batam (mimo Mc flurry(millie mcfloure) or whatever. The really pretty spotted ones) (Pic attached)
5 Batam. Silkies
15 call ducks
4 rouen ducks.
3 African geese
I just started to experiment with geese and plan on phasing ducks out in favor of geese in hopes of less turmoil, less killing for more meat, and predation prevention due to size along with the fact geese are 20lbs off grass. (ducks are fucking obnoxious too)

I use to do 20 guinea fowl. I adore them, my wife hates them so I stopped.
I would have to be careful coming home cause they would try to headbutt my f150.

They would scream at leaves. I once saw them surround a snapping turtle and take turns just kicking it. They tasted so good and watching them headbutt my bumper cause they could see their reflection and hearing that *ding*.

They were so fucking stupid. I love them so much.

>>5018688
Your over thinking "don't be a asshole and torture animals, if your going to kill it, just do it".

Why are you trying to morally justify suffering?
>>5018679
I also exclusively free range.

>>5018676
I have enough hate in my heart for the terrorist state of pissrael and dick heads who are unkind to life (including animals). It's kinda the same thing when you really think about it.

>>5016282 (OP)
Thank you for being a light in the world

>>5018743
I'm saying that the suffering of some muslims that want you dead due to their religion saying that anyone who does not want you dead is going to hell is not important but raising the moral standard inside your civilization is

I mean you're bitching about israel removing the enemies of civilization when jews are the ones that pushed animal rights in the first place

You would hate jews a lot less if you joined them, btw
>white supremacists: goddamn ashkenazi jews thinking they're better than everyone else for being smart and european! oh wait... *stops thinking* phew almost had a revelation there

>>5016596
The clear difference is the fact that I think most normal people can clearly agree that, bringing excess harm to any animal for no greater reason, is wrong since most people do live with household pets they wouldn't want harmed.

Many would oppose what's done to pigs if it were done to dogs, and even if you wanna say its "about intelligence", its not like people wouldn't see harm towards cats as 'fine'.

For a more quantitative argument like what >>5016574 wants, I can't imagine that CAFOs are anything close to sanitary safe meat no matter what they tell you.

>>5016545
Humans are part of nature. There's no distinction between a zebra suffering to feed a lion or a cow suffering to feed a human. The latter is actually MORE ethical, as humans and their livestock have formed a de facto symbiotic relationship where humans provide livestock food and shelter in return for the livestock providing humans meat and eggs.

>>5018778
It's ultimately because morality runs off instinct and there is no actual rational reason to be moral. If there is no god, and you can get away with it, why not rape any woman and kill any enemy and even torture them? What if everyone admired you for being evil? What if being evil made all the people you cared about happy and well off?

Because that pesky instinct, something so deep in your brain even frogs have it, called empathy, is not a voluntary experience.

>>5018769
Your on /an/ man. Go to Pol with your race shit

>>5018688
>Humanism is about replacing your own ethnicity with the first one that wants to replace it, because kindness always falls to cruelty.
reddit logic

>>5018809
Imagine cheering for islamic terrorists like hamas

Just hunt. Fun and animal had good life

>>5018769
>jews are the ones that pushed animal rights in the first place

>>5019023
I literally do. I think Israel is the real destabilizing force in the middle east. I think Iran should have a nuke and I think the houthis are based as fuck since they been nothing but honest. They stopped attacks when Israel stopped genociding kids and started when Israel started genociding kids #iran

I think Trump is a pedophile. He did that shit for real but idk a single republican who isn't a pedophile. All democrats are just republicanism from 20 years ago and all republicans today are Israeli first pedophile rapists and con men..... Ie Israeli.

I'm not joking in the slightest.

We can both can banned for going into politics if you wants because I got some pretty strong and blatant views about what should happen to pedophile apologists.

>>5019023
Would you like to get into terrorism and why this idf terrorist is hiding inside a elementary school as Iranian bombs rained down on his civilian population?
Should we discuss where the kids were put? Whether they were kept as idf pleasure boys or thrown into the Iranian missisle fire?