Thread 5027236

>French scientists presented research at the recent Society for Experimental Biology Annual Conference that suggested that not only do pigeons recognize people who’ve been hostile towards them in the past, but they also know enough to avoid them.

>In 1995, Japanese scientists tested the visual abilities of pigeons in an unusual way: They showed the birds paintings by Picasso and Monet.

>In a 2016 study (Scarf et al., 2016), a research team from New Zealand and Germany showed that humans are not the only species with orthographic abilities: Pigeons can be trained to discriminate words from meaningless combinations of letters.

>>5027236 (OP)
>Fascinatingly, the birds were also able to discriminate between the works of other Cubist artists and other Impressionist artists. This shows that pigeons can categorize complex man-made artworks and even discriminate between two art movements—something even some humans without a background in art history might have problems with.

>Pigeons are on par with primates when it comes to counting.

>But in a German study from 1990 (von Fersen and Güntürkün, 1990), pigeons were trained to memorize 725 random black-and-white visual patterns. The patterns did not share any systematic characteristics, so the pigeons had to memorize them one by one. The animals needed to identify the 100 “positive” patterns from the 625 "negative" patterns to obtain food rewards. This is a memory task so complex that most humans would have trouble with it. Nevertheless, the pigeons had no problems with this complicated task.

probably owls or falcons

>>5027236 (OP)
Australian magpies have to be up there but how smart they are exactly I don’t know

>>5027260
Magpies are corvids you dunce

>>5027260
smart but also dumb

bird brains are pretty alien. they might milk more intelligence out of their neurons than a mammal would by cutting out self-referential consciousness and emotional thinking (aka soul) just processing information correctly and logically like a machine.

>>5027264
NTA but Australian magpies aren't real magpies and belong to a different family/superfamily of birds.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artamidae

>>5027236 (OP)
just from internet videos that show pigeons dying in stupid ways or getting eaten by almost everything, I have to assume they are among hte dumbest birds

>>5027279
well you're wrong retard, pigeons are probably smarter than you and unlike you they're not redditors

>>5027264
Australian magpies aren’t corvids you dumb fucking monkey

>>5027236 (OP)
Brush Turkey

>>5027279
That’s because they’re domesticated and we abandoned them to compete with wild animals, not because they’re dumb

>>5027239
>The animals needed to identify the 100 “positive” patterns from the 625 "negative" patterns to obtain food rewards. This is a memory task so complex that most humans would have trouble with it.
Why? How is it any different than the Japanese memorizing 2,000 kanji and knowing their meanings?

>>5027307
The Japanese memorize the kanji over many years of schooling and immersion in their daily lives when the brain's neuroplasticity is at its highest.

>>5027307
Some kanji are also pictographs or represent ideas well by combining radicals into one kanji to make it represent something easier. The pigeons would have destroyed that test fast because they'd have to memorize less and have more associated patterns to help.

>>5027264
You thought

>>5027285
>t.

>>5027267
>t hasnt studied human psychology for shits
calling ego and emotionnal-territorial intelligence is pretty smoothbrain of you mate.

vultures, not really sure if new world or old worlds are smarter but most of the studies ive seen have been on turkey vultures
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25015133/

>>5027240
>owls
They're notoriously stupid. Surprisingly, most birds of prey are pretty dumb. Carrion birds are one exception but owls? Owls are dumb.
>>5027264
Not Aussie ones. Different things entirely. Can't remember what they are, exactly, but not corvids.

>>5027410
Isn't the caracara pretty smart but they straddle bird of prey and scavenger pretty evenly

>>5027413
Maybe? I'm not terribly familiar with caracaras. Basically, what makes a bird smart or dumb is its propensity towards socialisation. Birds of prey are generally solitary. You occasionally get a cast of hawks or a convocation of eagles but not commonly. Corvids, parrots and vultures are especially social animals and therefore have much larger brains relative their size than typical birds of prey. I don't know if caracaras are social birds or not.

>>5027267
Birds do not have souls. They are literally reptilians.

>>5027236 (OP)
i don't think pigeons are particularly intelligent but they've co-evolved with urban humans and as such their intelligence has been more geared towards understanding humans and human environments.

>>5027442
The soul doesn't exist, it's just coping.

>>5027413
I would say they are up there
>>5027426
They’re very social and curious. They act like keas which are one of the smartest
https://www.youtube.com/watch?si=9Oeo8Ven0STEvbgj&v=PsbAbIf4kcA&feature=youtu.be

>>5027410
>>5027426
There’s also that one video that really seems like a wedge tailed eagle is using a piece of meat as bait
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VX-uEFkO2HI

toucans probably

>>5027410
Hawks are more intelligent than any cat:

https://www.frontiersin.org/news/2025/05/23/street-smarts-hawk-use-traffic-signals-hunting?lid=4ulo7z9po54i

A few days later I saw the same thing happen again and decided to investigate. It turned out that the house targeted by the hawk’s attacks was inhabited by a nice big family that liked to eat dinner in the front yard. Next morning their breadcrumbs and other leftovers attracted a small flock of birds – sparrows, doves, and sometimes starlings. That’s what the hawk was after.

But what was really interesting, and took me much longer to figure out, was that the hawk always attacked when the car queue was long enough to provide cover all the way to the small tree, and that only happened after someone had pressed the pedestrian crossing button. As soon as the sound signal was activated, the raptor would fly from somewhere into the small tree, wait for the cars to line up, and then strike.

That meant that the hawk understood the connection between the sound and the eventual car queue length. The bird also had to have a good mental map of the place, because when the car queue reached its tree, the raptor could no longer see the place where its prey was and had to get there by memory.

It was an immature bird. Cooper’s hawks rarely nest in cities in our area but are common winter visitors. So the bird I was watching was almost certainly a migrant, having moved to the city just a few weeks earlier. And it had already figured out how to use traffic signals and patterns. To me it seemed very impressive.

>>5027442
Mammal propaganda

>>5027236 (OP)
>>5027239
>>5027285
>>5027296
Have you seen the fuckers make nests?

starlings are up there https://files.catbox.moe/kq9ien.mp4

>>5027236 (OP)

The raptors.
Easy out.

>>5027808
>starling enthusiast
>hairy pit woman
Hot

>>5027236 (OP)
dodos before they were wiped out.

>>5027808
training my bird to fly under women's skirts and do the shutter sound

>>5027236 (OP)
Kek no wonder hawks kill cats all the time

>>5027796
Grok is this real?

Birds mog all in spatial reasoning
Don't think you're a so cool mr. einstein just because you can symbolize

>>5027790
Some raptors are definitely clever. I think a lot of birds get unnoticed or misattributed at times. For example, that popular clip of a bird luring fish with bread as bait, at least one of those clips is not a corvid, but a heron. Obviously, owls are not that smart despite mythology. Anecdotally, I've heard Caracaras and Vultures are surprisingly smart.

>>5027410
Why is that surprisin? Most birds of prey are solitary and their whole strategy is just to fly around and fall on top of smaller animals that aren't aware of their presence. Doesn't take a genius to work that out.

>>5027236 (OP)
When I was in Alberta I saw Clark's nutcrackers, but they were making a really weird call that sounded EXACTLY like a baby crying. This was at lake Louise aka niggerhell so there were a lot of crying kids, I think they're learning to rob jeets which is gigabased IMO

>>5027236 (OP)
Birds are unstoppable

>>5027410
Catfag cope. Birds are smarter than your pet.

>>5028500
You're really, really dumb. It's astonishing.

>>5028631
Owls are smarter than cats.

Owls are smarter than cats.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_animals_by_number_of_neurons#Forebrain_(cerebrum_or_pallium)_only
>House cat 249,830,000 Isotropic fractionator Pallium (cortex)
>Eurasian pygmy owl 364,000,000 Isotropic fractionator Pallium (DVR)
>Golden retriever 627,000,000 Isotropic fractionator Pallium (cortex)
>Long-eared owl 673,000,000 Isotropic fractionator Pallium (DVR)
>German Shepherd 885,460,000 Isotropic fractionator Pallium (cortex)
DogGODs hereby recognize birdchads as equally based, and catsissies as eternally btfo. It is so over for toxobros.

>>5027426
>cast
>convocation
bruh stfu, if they're birds it's a flock. don't overthink it

>>5028730
Snowy owls are the smartest owls of all

>>5027796
Wild pigeons nest in rock crevices. All they need is a few sticks to keep the egg from rolling. So not only is this effective, pigeons also aren't pampered little faggots that need 20 layers of down for their weak ass to sit on.

>>5028705
Still missing the point and still very, very, very dumb. You might want to work on your reading comprehension skills.

>>5028756
I even had to look up the terms lmao
I don't think any other language does shit like a pride of lions, a gaggle of geese or a hootie of blowfish.
I woulda gone with flock but I figured one of you faggots woulda happily umm-akshully'd me. And then one of you faggots did, but in the opposite direction. You cock-mongling chicken-diddlers are never happy.

can console war fags swiftly kill themselves so our suffering is ended, thanks x

>>5029641
No cat is as smart as a snowy owl

>>5027236 (OP)
Pelicans

>>5029679
Work on your reading comprehension skills, retard.

>>5030081
Snowy owls are smarter than you as well

>>5030087
Are you Shaq and is this conversation a series of free throws? I don't see any other way anyone could miss the point this badly.

>>5027236 (OP)
Penguins

>>5027236 (OP)
Loons

>>5027236 (OP)
My mom once threw a chip at a Rooster, and he looked at it and started making those aahhhh noises chickens make.
Even a Cock can recognize slop

>>5028705
That’s not a very high bar

>>5027264
They’re Artamids you retard

>>5031170
My cock once blew a load into yr mum and she took it and started making those aahhhh noises sluts make.
Wasn't worth it.
You were the result. : (

>>5027236 (OP)
Ratites

>>5031795
Ostriches are very smart

>>5027236 (OP)
Flamingos

>>5027236 (OP)
Quails

>>5027236 (OP)
Petrels

>>5027236 (OP)
Oilbirds

>>5027790
Stop sniffing your dog's asshole, anti cat schizo

>>5028500
>>5028705
>>5027790
>>5028730
Please cease the console wars, *edditor tourist.

>>5035580
>catfags for 100 years: dogs should be beaten into obedience. cats are feee. birds are pests. cats are clean because they are free. filthy dogs should be kept chained in a circle of their own shit. by yhwh let it be true.
>catfags after some neurons are counted and ecosystems are studied: p-pls stop noticing. help someone make them stop ;_;

>>5027442
dogs mimic souls by playing up Stockholm Syndrome for sympathy points, whilst cats and birds have a sense of independence.

Pigeons are based. I like to watch them waddling around our garden.

>>5036381
Dogs actually have souls and are part of society
Cats are borderline automatons that experience brief periods of awareness because their tiny brain works really hard and has to conserve energy
Birds are basically an alien abomination. Very smart, but no soul whatsoever. Souls are inefficient. Illogical. Imperfect. Impure. A hinderance on the path to dominance.

>>5036381
Birds and cats only have a sense of independence when it comes to them.
When we let them know in no uncertain terms that we too have a sense of independence their world falls apart.

That's the best way to hurt them, their imagined power and their kindred golems (women, narcissistic/effeminate men) alike: you simply ignore them.

>>5036513
No >>5036509 is right. Cats have a soul but not enough juice to run it 24/7 so they walk around on auto pilot and are kind of dumb. Birds just don’t and can’t care. They’re pure intellect. Dogs and cats are like men, birds and snakes are like demons.

>>5036509
>>5036513
>>5036515
The soul itself as a concept is just human cope. Pathetic and desperate clawing at a means to say they are not the same as any other beast deep down.

>>5036520
This poster is a tranny, a homo, or a furry
Call it

>>5036522
>immediately becomes hysterical.

>>5036522
probably all 3 desu

>>5036522
>>5036547
The kind of people who think this genuinely are just outing themselves as having both no real experience with animals and being the kind of cancerous human that will act confidently even when wrong. Actual pyschos trying to claim they are the sane ones.

>>5036568
Birds feel pain but they still dont have souls.

A cat that did not feel pain would still have a soul.

Deal w/ it archosaur tranny

>>5036584
You can't prove shit because it's entirely nonsense based on your feefees.

>>5036592
The virgin soience

THE CHAD PASSIONS

>>5036597
That just proves the other anon right though. Humans claim to be superior beings but just fall back on animal behavior whenever it suits. Its most evident when people get really mad and stop acting like people and revert to beasts.

>>5036597
Correct. Science is animal. Passion is human.

>>5036600
We are the only species to consciously acknowledge the superiority of emotions and control them.

>>5036509
Whether or not dogs have souls or not is irrelevant, saying that they are a part of society is like saying that dingy third worlders are a part of society. Yes, many dogs in many societies have been working on the farm, now, this is not the case, most dogs are simply brought to a home and depending on their breed, which is the cleverest trick of the dogredditor, assuming all dogs are in fact "dogs", lash out in panic, because they have been brought into a world they cannot assimilate into, unlike the pidgeon or the stray cat.

>>5036513
dunning-krueger post, try and formulate a thought before arranging words

>>5036602
lol, is this for real? So often, you see the opposite result. Some smart, rich, or otherwise powerful guy getting destroyed and ruining their own life because their emotions overtook their intelligence or led them astray into the wrong conclusion.

>>5036522
the funny part is that I can tell you're a christcuck, but you missed out the part in the Bible where it is explicitly said that animals are sinless. Humans invented morality to govern other people and then act surprised when some beetle hasn't heard of Jesus. In other words, you're gay.

>>5036604
Sounds like you just abuse and neglect your dogs because you're a mentally stunted redditor (typical. cats and pigeons are reddit animals.)

only a couple more years until paleoschizo, in a rare moment of lucidity, finally lobs himself in front of a train

>>5027236 (OP)
Mousebirds

>>5036607
t. one of the 18 million pitbulls in the USA

>>5036612
But with YOUR help we can halve that time. Join the effort today

>>5029426
love pigeons simple as

>>5029426
Cool looking pigeon

>>5036607
>Sounds like you just abuse and neglect your dogs because you're a mentally stunted redditor
Well, yes, that would describe the typical dog owner.

>>5038696
Then why does reddit love cats and hate dogs?

>>5027236 (OP)
Are doves smarter than pigeons?

>>5039095
Usually, people call the smaller ones doves but they are the same thing.

>>5036584
Birds are ensouled, cats are not.

>>5027236 (OP)
Passerines are generally underrated because of how difficult they are to observe without high-speed and high-resolution recording technology that slows them way down for scrutiny more suited to our metabolic rate, longevity, and bizarre scale of memory. I think of them generally as very intelligent as the feral kind of that goes, but hopelessly without wisdom compared to even squirrels.

>>5039792
>nuh uh!
Most original redditor comeback.

>>5038698
>debate this entirely fictitious scenario I created where r/dogelore isn't reddit's most prolific source of memes
I'd say dogredditors aren't sending their best, but this probably IS their best.

>>5040162
It's true though. Reddit loves cats above all else, except maybe octopus.

>>5027236 (OP)
Chickens

>>5040162
the research has been done, dogredditor. you will never take dogs from us. you will always hail from a cat website.

>>5027236 (OP)
Aren't pigeons really retarded though

bird intelligence works very different from our intelligence
very few species show anthropomorphised intelligence

>>5027790
>>5027410

Then there's the firehawks, hawks in Australia that have learned to harness fire

>>5027236 (OP)
Just saw a duck outsmart a cat

>>5045596
I've seen an ostrich outsmart a cat

>>5043086
F to pigeon wanting some fuk

>>5043086
There are so many videos of pigeons specifically doing this online.
This brings three thoughts to mind -
1) Birds do have a terrible sense of smell compared to mammals.
2) Pigeons are extremely stupid
3) Or, maybe an unknown parasite infects pigeons and makes them seek out the nests of carnivorous birds? So the Avian version of toxoplasmosis to cats and rodents?

Pigeons have one specific skill related to visual recognition. In general they are very stupid and instict driven, way stupider than cats.

>>5047425
Are you sure? Cats are as dumb as rocks

>parrots
>smart
Just spent half an hour getting this dumb fuck out of my shadehouse, most birbs that get caught in it eventually figure out how to escape through the giant opening after chasing them a certain way but this silly feathered bastard just kept flying back and forth until I had to catch it with a net.

>>5046932
This is them now, feel old yet?

>>5047445
It's not dumb because it's a parrot. It's dumb because it's Australian.

>>5047451
And the other Aussie birds that don't get stuck? Dumb parrot owner

>>5047425
Not true