What are the smartest birds besides corvids and parrots? - /an/ (#5027236)

Anonymous
8/6/2025, 5:27:28 AM No.5027236
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>French scientists presented research at the recent Society for Experimental Biology Annual Conference that suggested that not only do pigeons recognize people who’ve been hostile towards them in the past, but they also know enough to avoid them.

>In 1995, Japanese scientists tested the visual abilities of pigeons in an unusual way: They showed the birds paintings by Picasso and Monet.

>In a 2016 study (Scarf et al., 2016), a research team from New Zealand and Germany showed that humans are not the only species with orthographic abilities: Pigeons can be trained to discriminate words from meaningless combinations of letters.
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Anonymous
8/6/2025, 5:30:09 AM No.5027239
>>5027236 (OP)
>Fascinatingly, the birds were also able to discriminate between the works of other Cubist artists and other Impressionist artists. This shows that pigeons can categorize complex man-made artworks and even discriminate between two art movements—something even some humans without a background in art history might have problems with.

>Pigeons are on par with primates when it comes to counting.

>But in a German study from 1990 (von Fersen and Güntürkün, 1990), pigeons were trained to memorize 725 random black-and-white visual patterns. The patterns did not share any systematic characteristics, so the pigeons had to memorize them one by one. The animals needed to identify the 100 “positive” patterns from the 625 "negative" patterns to obtain food rewards. This is a memory task so complex that most humans would have trouble with it. Nevertheless, the pigeons had no problems with this complicated task.
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Anonymous
8/6/2025, 5:30:59 AM No.5027240
probably owls or falcons
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Anonymous
8/6/2025, 6:20:36 AM No.5027260
magpie
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>>5027236 (OP)
Australian magpies have to be up there but how smart they are exactly I don’t know
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Anonymous
8/6/2025, 6:34:00 AM No.5027264
>>5027260
Magpies are corvids you dunce
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Anonymous
8/6/2025, 6:37:27 AM No.5027267
>>5027260
smart but also dumb

bird brains are pretty alien. they might milk more intelligence out of their neurons than a mammal would by cutting out self-referential consciousness and emotional thinking (aka soul) just processing information correctly and logically like a machine.
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Anonymous
8/6/2025, 6:38:47 AM No.5027268
>>5027264
NTA but Australian magpies aren't real magpies and belong to a different family/superfamily of birds.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artamidae
Anonymous
8/6/2025, 7:39:13 AM No.5027279
>>5027236 (OP)
just from internet videos that show pigeons dying in stupid ways or getting eaten by almost everything, I have to assume they are among hte dumbest birds
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Anonymous
8/6/2025, 7:47:40 AM No.5027285
>>5027279
well you're wrong retard, pigeons are probably smarter than you and unlike you they're not redditors
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Anonymous
8/6/2025, 7:50:29 AM No.5027287
>>5027264
Australian magpies aren’t corvids you dumb fucking monkey
Anonymous
8/6/2025, 7:52:18 AM No.5027289
>>5027236 (OP)
Brush Turkey
Anonymous
8/6/2025, 7:59:43 AM No.5027296
>>5027279
That’s because they’re domesticated and we abandoned them to compete with wild animals, not because they’re dumb
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Anonymous
8/6/2025, 8:15:06 AM No.5027307
>>5027239
>The animals needed to identify the 100 “positive” patterns from the 625 "negative" patterns to obtain food rewards. This is a memory task so complex that most humans would have trouble with it.
Why? How is it any different than the Japanese memorizing 2,000 kanji and knowing their meanings?
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Anonymous
8/6/2025, 8:28:07 AM No.5027318
>>5027307
The Japanese memorize the kanji over many years of schooling and immersion in their daily lives when the brain's neuroplasticity is at its highest.
Anonymous
8/6/2025, 9:17:43 AM No.5027331
>>5027307
Some kanji are also pictographs or represent ideas well by combining radicals into one kanji to make it represent something easier. The pigeons would have destroyed that test fast because they'd have to memorize less and have more associated patterns to help.
Anonymous
8/6/2025, 9:18:43 AM No.5027333
>>5027264
You thought
Anonymous
8/6/2025, 9:23:17 AM No.5027335
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>>5027285
>t.
Anonymous
8/6/2025, 11:16:48 AM No.5027356
>>5027267
>t hasnt studied human psychology for shits
calling ego and emotionnal-territorial intelligence is pretty smoothbrain of you mate.
Anonymous
8/6/2025, 3:45:03 PM No.5027397
vultures, not really sure if new world or old worlds are smarter but most of the studies ive seen have been on turkey vultures
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25015133/
Anonymous
8/6/2025, 4:18:57 PM No.5027410
>>5027240
>owls
They're notoriously stupid. Surprisingly, most birds of prey are pretty dumb. Carrion birds are one exception but owls? Owls are dumb.
>>5027264
Not Aussie ones. Different things entirely. Can't remember what they are, exactly, but not corvids.
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Anonymous
8/6/2025, 4:21:31 PM No.5027413
>>5027410
Isn't the caracara pretty smart but they straddle bird of prey and scavenger pretty evenly
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Anonymous
8/6/2025, 5:00:10 PM No.5027426
>>5027413
Maybe? I'm not terribly familiar with caracaras. Basically, what makes a bird smart or dumb is its propensity towards socialisation. Birds of prey are generally solitary. You occasionally get a cast of hawks or a convocation of eagles but not commonly. Corvids, parrots and vultures are especially social animals and therefore have much larger brains relative their size than typical birds of prey. I don't know if caracaras are social birds or not.
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Anonymous
8/6/2025, 6:11:07 PM No.5027442
>>5027267
Birds do not have souls. They are literally reptilians.
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Anonymous
8/6/2025, 6:42:58 PM No.5027449
>>5027236 (OP)
i don't think pigeons are particularly intelligent but they've co-evolved with urban humans and as such their intelligence has been more geared towards understanding humans and human environments.
Anonymous
8/6/2025, 9:17:27 PM No.5027494
>>5027442
The soul doesn't exist, it's just coping.
Anonymous
8/7/2025, 1:01:07 AM No.5027586
>>5027413
I would say they are up there
>>5027426
They’re very social and curious. They act like keas which are one of the smartest
https://www.youtube.com/watch?si=9Oeo8Ven0STEvbgj&v=PsbAbIf4kcA&feature=youtu.be
Anonymous
8/7/2025, 1:06:27 AM No.5027587
>>5027410
>>5027426
There’s also that one video that really seems like a wedge tailed eagle is using a piece of meat as bait
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VX-uEFkO2HI
Anonymous
8/7/2025, 1:39:51 AM No.5027602
toucans probably
Anonymous
8/7/2025, 8:00:37 AM No.5027790
>>5027410
Hawks are more intelligent than any cat:

https://www.frontiersin.org/news/2025/05/23/street-smarts-hawk-use-traffic-signals-hunting?lid=4ulo7z9po54i

A few days later I saw the same thing happen again and decided to investigate. It turned out that the house targeted by the hawk’s attacks was inhabited by a nice big family that liked to eat dinner in the front yard. Next morning their breadcrumbs and other leftovers attracted a small flock of birds – sparrows, doves, and sometimes starlings. That’s what the hawk was after.

But what was really interesting, and took me much longer to figure out, was that the hawk always attacked when the car queue was long enough to provide cover all the way to the small tree, and that only happened after someone had pressed the pedestrian crossing button. As soon as the sound signal was activated, the raptor would fly from somewhere into the small tree, wait for the cars to line up, and then strike.

That meant that the hawk understood the connection between the sound and the eventual car queue length. The bird also had to have a good mental map of the place, because when the car queue reached its tree, the raptor could no longer see the place where its prey was and had to get there by memory.

It was an immature bird. Cooper’s hawks rarely nest in cities in our area but are common winter visitors. So the bird I was watching was almost certainly a migrant, having moved to the city just a few weeks earlier. And it had already figured out how to use traffic signals and patterns. To me it seemed very impressive.
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Anonymous
8/7/2025, 8:02:25 AM No.5027791
>>5027442
Mammal propaganda
Anonymous
8/7/2025, 8:08:56 AM No.5027796
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>>5027236 (OP)
>>5027239
>>5027285
>>5027296
Have you seen the fuckers make nests?
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Anonymous
8/7/2025, 8:32:01 AM No.5027808
starlings are up there https://files.catbox.moe/kq9ien.mp4
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Anonymous
8/7/2025, 8:54:14 AM No.5027832
>>5027236 (OP)

The raptors.
Easy out.
Anonymous
8/7/2025, 9:06:57 AM No.5027844
>>5027808
>starling enthusiast
>hairy pit woman
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Anonymous
8/7/2025, 9:13:40 AM No.5027849
>>5027236 (OP)
dodos before they were wiped out.
Anonymous
8/7/2025, 11:37:53 AM No.5027920
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>>5027808
training my bird to fly under women's skirts and do the shutter sound
Anonymous
8/7/2025, 3:54:55 PM No.5027999
>>5027236 (OP)
Kek no wonder hawks kill cats all the time
Anonymous
8/7/2025, 4:27:25 PM No.5028007
>>5027796
Grok is this real?
Anonymous
8/8/2025, 12:16:05 AM No.5028170
Birds mog all in spatial reasoning
Don't think you're a so cool mr. einstein just because you can symbolize
Anonymous
8/8/2025, 2:03:24 AM No.5028192
>>5027790
Some raptors are definitely clever. I think a lot of birds get unnoticed or misattributed at times. For example, that popular clip of a bird luring fish with bread as bait, at least one of those clips is not a corvid, but a heron. Obviously, owls are not that smart despite mythology. Anecdotally, I've heard Caracaras and Vultures are surprisingly smart.
Anonymous
8/8/2025, 3:01:09 AM No.5028224
>>5027410
Why is that surprisin? Most birds of prey are solitary and their whole strategy is just to fly around and fall on top of smaller animals that aren't aware of their presence. Doesn't take a genius to work that out.
Anonymous
8/8/2025, 3:05:03 AM No.5028225
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>>5027236 (OP)
When I was in Alberta I saw Clark's nutcrackers, but they were making a really weird call that sounded EXACTLY like a baby crying. This was at lake Louise aka niggerhell so there were a lot of crying kids, I think they're learning to rob jeets which is gigabased IMO
Anonymous
8/8/2025, 6:57:34 AM No.5028344
>>5027236 (OP)
Birds are unstoppable
Anonymous
8/8/2025, 6:26:33 PM No.5028500
>>5027410
Catfag cope. Birds are smarter than your pet.
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Anonymous
8/9/2025, 12:27:21 AM No.5028631
>>5028500
You're really, really dumb. It's astonishing.
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Anonymous
8/9/2025, 4:17:45 AM No.5028705
>>5028631
Owls are smarter than cats.
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Anonymous
8/9/2025, 5:31:55 AM No.5028730
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Owls are smarter than cats.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_animals_by_number_of_neurons#Forebrain_(cerebrum_or_pallium)_only
>House cat 249,830,000 Isotropic fractionator Pallium (cortex)
>Eurasian pygmy owl 364,000,000 Isotropic fractionator Pallium (DVR)
>Golden retriever 627,000,000 Isotropic fractionator Pallium (cortex)
>Long-eared owl 673,000,000 Isotropic fractionator Pallium (DVR)
>German Shepherd 885,460,000 Isotropic fractionator Pallium (cortex)
DogGODs hereby recognize birdchads as equally based, and catsissies as eternally btfo. It is so over for toxobros.
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Anonymous
8/9/2025, 7:10:22 AM No.5028756
>>5027426
>cast
>convocation
bruh stfu, if they're birds it's a flock. don't overthink it
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Anonymous
8/9/2025, 12:36:38 PM No.5028843
>>5028730
Snowy owls are the smartest owls of all
Anonymous
8/11/2025, 1:28:22 AM No.5029426
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>>5027796
Wild pigeons nest in rock crevices. All they need is a few sticks to keep the egg from rolling. So not only is this effective, pigeons also aren't pampered little faggots that need 20 layers of down for their weak ass to sit on.
Anonymous
8/11/2025, 1:54:21 PM No.5029641
>>5028705
Still missing the point and still very, very, very dumb. You might want to work on your reading comprehension skills.
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Anonymous
8/11/2025, 1:58:47 PM No.5029644
>>5028756
I even had to look up the terms lmao
I don't think any other language does shit like a pride of lions, a gaggle of geese or a hootie of blowfish.
I woulda gone with flock but I figured one of you faggots woulda happily umm-akshully'd me. And then one of you faggots did, but in the opposite direction. You cock-mongling chicken-diddlers are never happy.
Anonymous
8/11/2025, 2:05:21 PM No.5029648
can console war fags swiftly kill themselves so our suffering is ended, thanks x
Anonymous
8/11/2025, 3:31:03 PM No.5029679
>>5029641
No cat is as smart as a snowy owl
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Anonymous
8/12/2025, 8:15:03 AM No.5029991
>>5027236 (OP)
Pelicans
Anonymous
8/12/2025, 1:55:32 PM No.5030081
>>5029679
Work on your reading comprehension skills, retard.
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Anonymous
8/12/2025, 2:23:24 PM No.5030087
>>5030081
Snowy owls are smarter than you as well