I thought he was only going to deport criminals, not the guy who picks my crops or installs my hardware. I wouldn't have voted for him if I known he was going to do that. I also thought the tariffs would be carefully implemented and only for national security reasons, I would have never supported him if I knew he would put tariffs on our allies and they would be so crazy. I actually liked the USMCA he signed in his first term and expected more of the same, not extreme protectionism. I also thought that Mitch McConnell could easily convince him to support Ukraine once elected but was wrong about that as well.

Invaders are criminals. Even the ones that have jobs.

>>935664575 (OP)
median American voter in a nutshell lol

>>935664575 (OP)
>>support Ukraine
What gave you away completely as the lying fag you are

I'm literally so jealous of Europe. They get flooded with literal sex machines with giant penises and we're stuck with lazy good for nothing Mexicans

>>935664575 (OP)
Shit is about to go nuclear and the democrats can't implement policies that will prepare the US because they are corrupted by foreign powers, minorities who sabotage the nation.

>>935664575 (OP)
you were misled and manipulated.

>>935666528
Honestly out of all decline scenarios it'll probably just be an economic collapse.

The people following this guy around are so emotionally driven they were cool making the US dollar commit seppuku as long as they got some bread and circus trolling brown people so they could post it and "own the libs" on the internet.

I'd try to dissect that scenario, but what's the point. Nobody's putting this genie back in its bottle.

This isn't gonna end dramatically. It'll just demote America to the new Canada on the world stage, if it's lucky. Even if you remove all tariffs, you're still paying flat 10% increase on anything now cause your money itself lost that much value in one goddamn month. Could you have imagined the work it would take to knock the US economy and the global reserve currency down 10% in a month?

Everyone's cutting and running now. I'm afraid it's a wrap boys. Bicker among yourself as you'll be want to do, it doesn't make a difference.

Here you go boys. Here's your real nemesis.

I know most of Trump's base signed on for a show. You wanted the spectacle and fireworks. However as it turns out, financial administrations and regulatory frameworks shouldn't be sensational.

While you're out here bickering over a manufactured crisis in LA cause Miller wanted you to, institutional investors are divesting your pensions into EU assets because US investments are a lost cause.

As an aside I find it interesting we're hitting another nosedive with this current kerfuffle even though it has no direct financial implications. I suppose capital just doesn't like instability. Or maybe it's that it's again rubbing the nosesof investors in the realization that contract law enforcement is more an aspirational goal than a real thing in the US justice system, which already forced due diligence processes to start cutting out US-based providers.

Either way, this is you now.

Here you go boys. Here's your real nemesis.

I know most of Trump's base signed on for a show. You wanted the spectacle and fireworks. However as it turns out, financial administrations and regulatory frameworks shouldn't be sensational.

While you're out here bickering over a manufactured crisis in LA cause Miller wanted you to, institutional investors are divesting your pensions into EU assets because US investments are a lost cause.

As an aside I find it interesting we're hitting another nosedive with this current kerfuffle even though it has no direct financial implications. I suppose capital just doesn't like instability. Or maybe it's that it's again rubbing the nosesof investors in the realization that contract law enforcement is more an aspirational goal than a real thing in the US justice system, which already forced due diligence processes to start cutting out US-based providers.

Either way, this is you now.

>>935667984
Whoop, that's only the numbers for one day. Here you go.

>>935664575 (OP)
he is going after criminals. any one who is in the US illegally is a criminal; breaking immigration law, while a misdemeanor, is still a criminal offense.

>>935667631
Yep, unfortunately the average American voter has an IQ below 70

>>935664575 (OP)
>I thought he was only going to deport criminals
who even said that? he just said he would START with the worst criminals.

we voted for them all to be deported.

>>935669722
Honestly the most tangible solution would be to stabilize them and pull them out of the mental freefall that's radicalizing them, but they've really trimmed down the options for doing so. It's a pickle.

>>935667984
I checked the all time chart and it's actually going up.

What kind of fag posts an economy chart based on a few months? So dumb.

>>935669860
Correct, you're not back down to 1980 levels in economic value. So far you're back to 2008 levels. Good start to the year huh?

Now btw, this in itself might not even be an issue, but here it is, because wealth is relative and other economies *aren't* in decline like that.

So let me get this straight. You are OK with businesses exploiting people and making them work for under minimum wage. Because you need your slave class to pick avocados and pistachios and almonds for your vegan non-dairy milk? Because you know d*** well.That's exactly what is going to happen to all 20 million of these people, because they don't have any workers rights because they can't work in this country.Legally so they're going to be exploited and you're just okay with that?

>>935669885
this fag is repeating the same ol cucked chicken little garbage.

as if the USA still wont be the dominant economy in the coming decades. you're so fucking retarded you must be a eurocuck

>>935664644
ICE "agents" who wear masks, don't have warrants, refuse to show ID, and kidnap and detain lawful citizens are criminals. And they're a much bigger threat than the "invaders"

https://kyma.com/news/california-news/2025/06/11/pregnant-u-s-citizen-in-california-detained-by-ice/

>>935669948
Honestly this has nothing to do with immigrants, that's just an emotional issue. The economic decline is mostly due to:
- Mercurial and constantly changing regulatory frameworks
- Now also demanding sovereign wealth funds pay double digit taxes for capital stores accruing fractional percentages
- The executive branch ripping up the contracts of private companies willy nilly.

Honestly the only way this theater affects it at all is by once again demonstrating Trump might throw the wheel anytime, due process is openly despised and thrown out, and the idea of investments being secured by contracts with court backing is a joke.

I'm not going to bat for the wealthy here either. If I were I'd be complaining about the stock market. This is the money in your pocket, it affects anything and anyone American.

>>935664575 (OP)
bullshit on all accounts

>I thought he was only going to deport criminals,
no you didn't, you, like everybody else, knew that he was going to use "buh illegals" as justification to violate constitutional rights of lawful citizens.

>I would have never supported him if...
yes you would have.

this whole false buyers remorse is the new MAGA flex (along with bare-faced lying).

Eat shit, MAGA trash.

>>935669802
Maybe we should set up soup kitchens and bread handouts in the more impoverished US sectors. At least it'll tip them a little toward being less desperate, which ought to cool their jets and cut down the impulsivity and tribalism.

>>935670161
>Now also demanding sovereign wealth funds pay double digit taxes for capital stores accruing fractional percentages
I should specify I'm not talking about them putting their money in Verizon. But the big beautiful bill has plans to apply taxes to federal loans? Which is a ballsy move when the US is desperately trying to secure loans right now.

That bond auction the Treasury held a few weeks ago was a shitshow. Tried to raise 750bil pronto, cause I guess they need it. Still only managed to raise 30% of the target amount after hiking up interest.

This could become a liquidity problem bro

>>935664575 (OP)
Go back to pol.

>>935664644
FPBP and checked; illegal immigrants are criminals by definition.

Yes Dawkins is a scientist so of course he's going to discuss religion with respect to its material claims. He wouldn't have such fertile territory to explore were it not for the fact that religions often do make material claims about the universe or, at the very least, they have a large number of believers who interpret their faiths in such a way.
You simultaneously criticize him having insufficient knowledge outside his field yet demand his arguments attain an unbounded breadth so as to encompass more diverse interpretations of religion. Now satisfying one surely means betraying the other, no? You admit no plausible criteria in which Dawkins' argument can satisfy you or even be evaluated by you as substantive because you have a puerile hostility towards his existence. In short, you're arguing in bad faith.
It's also worth nothing that defining a narrow bounds for a conversation is scholarly practice. If you don't agree with the material claims put forward by most religions then Dawkins' criticism should mean nothing to you. If anything, you should appreciate it, as it may drive away the more clownish adherents who tend to detract from everyone else.

>>935670161
>due process is openly despised and thrown out
No, it isn't, you fucking liar.

>>935671081
I would say it started when the white house started ordering private companies to rip up contracts in order to pressure the foreign clients depending on them.

Say whatever you like, it doesn't change the fact that basic due diligence now means directives are going out to replace American services, and that capital is fleeing the country.

Your government couldn't even get routine institutional investors to buy its short term high interest loans man.

Now I don't wish it on you, I wish I could draw different conclusions, but I'm afraid we'll both just have to live with this outcome, whether you plug your fingers in your ears or not.

But if that makes you feel better, fuck it why not, it's not like this affects anything. I'm not gonna berate you for trying to make peace with your situation.

>>935664575 (OP)
>the tariffs would be carefully implemented