Guys, have you ever heard God "talk" to you?

I have to say, I've been listening, and I haven't heard shit.

The voice says ur a gay

>>935921496 (OP)
Yeah it's a big hiding in plain sight secret they do.
It gets covered up as alcohol psychosis, but you get a phone call from God in dreams. Then go fucking nuts and have visions and wild dreams, like people outside of the matrix are talking to you via telepathy. The music on the radio and comments online fuel this observation.
The "God" title gets thrown around in dreams and it's filled with end of the world stuff and aliens, the navy, AI doom, and Jesus, and some chick and spider.

Trying to figure out which voice is what, and the meaning of it is a trap that keeps you chasing trials.
So I just post data and bitch about how we haven't been compensated for this treatment yet

>>935923163
>trials
Trails

You misconceptualize the idea. There are some people who cannot "see" objects depicted in their mind.
Some people cannot feel a connection with divinity.
Also, looking past religion to the origins of the idea of God (a source), you will see people observing the complexity in nature, and their own ability to think and reason beyond physical limitations. What therefore we if not extensions of the same source/energy?
Drop your focus on religion and look towards the substrate of phenomenon for a reasonable conclusion.
You may not agree with said conclusion, but you will see the logic in it nonetheless.

The logic is that our own governments are using technology to use human as spiritual batteries, against their will and without compensation. You can say this or that about the goal or whatever, but even sacrificial soldiers receive respect and pay. The victims of this not only do not receive either, they actually go negative in their reputation and ability to gain money.
There's a reason all these governments keep their tinnitus inducing bullshit under wraps. It's absolutely abhorrent

>>935921496 (OP)
I think generally these religions started off as some philosophical metaphors exploring metaphysical ideas, but then it gets picked up and used as the rulebook by people who weren't there and aren't in on it, who either just don't really operate at non-literal levels, or at least never stopped to think about it.

I think the literalism largely comes from demanding blind obedience when this now organized religion then got used for loyalty tests and to legitimize political hierarchies, which is where I think it completely abandons its nature as anything spiritual.

Ironically organized religion is the least spiritual of all because it imposes dogma, rather than allowing interpretation. It demands deference of personal judgment and a "relationship to god," to a human organization that will handle this relationship for you, and you just have to sit there. It's a corruption of the core concept that inverts its original intent.

I think Jesus complained about this in the official christian canon too, with the tipping over moneychangers and saying his temple is everywhere. Then of course when churches came around they corrected him saying you had to do pilgrimages to their venue, and megachurches put ATM's back in along with Wendy's franchises.

>>935921496 (OP)

>>935924042
>demands deference of personal judgment
Like, run through this basic concept here - you have a doctrine telling you that you will personally be judged on whether you have internalized a set of values. This is supposed to be the basis for god's judgment right?
But then in a religious organization, you submit your autonomy to a church, or whatever other temple that religion uses. Now the important part isn't whether you can perform judgment calls that test a set of principles - it's whether you can abstain from personal judgment altogether and follow that of an authority figure.

I think when you really break it down, following the conditions that a church itself would set, it is questionable whether you could ever pass the test if you were a member of a church - just like we can't rightly test a student on a quiz, where they're just copying their exam from someone else purporting to have a cheatsheet.
They didn't make their own judgment call, they passed on that responsibility, and the party they passed it on to claims to *be* the holy word.

To use Egyptian mythology for their death and judgment - There is nothing to put in the scales here.

>>935924042
>I think generally these religions started off as some philosophical metaphors exploring metaphysical ideas, but then it gets picked up and used as the rulebook by people who weren't there and aren't in on it, who either just don't really operate at non-literal levels, or at least never stopped to think about it.
you might think that if you had no idea how religions develop and basically don't know anything about religion

>>935924581
Could you be more specificy? Because I've had enough defensive responses from people angry at me, for not validating their choice to believe that they were god's ultimate creation, yet right now they have to sit around twiddling their thumbs until their death.
I'm open to ideas but if it's just a vague dismissal it always feels like someone upset that I put down MLM schemes and it made them question investing 20 grand in one.

>>935924581
>you might think that if you had no idea how religions develop and basically don't know anything about religion
what makes you think this? i thought the other anon's explanation was pretty solid

>>935924777
trips checked
religion began millennia before philosophy existed, for starters
they may have begun before humans even used metaphors
so religion didn't begin as "philosophical metaphors," whatever those are supposed to be
religion likely began as fear and reverence of forces which were, at the time, beyond human comprehension: fertility, death, the sun, weather, the availability of game animals for the hunt, etc.
after the agricultural revolution and the invention of writing, priestly classes developed in centers of civilization; these were the people tasked with tracking the stars, the sun, and the moon and the procession of the seasons and serving as intermediaries between mankind and the "divine" forces that brought the rain and controlled the fertility of the earth and women
civilization necessitates laws, and much better than a human king (at the time, not much more than a tribal chieftain) giving the people laws is laws coming from the gods: this is what the gods demand of you
naturally, humans wondered where we came from--indeed, where everything came from--and the priestly class, at the time the only ones who could write, began recording stories that sought to explain things
it's not surprising that every civilization created gods that were a reflection of the circumstances in which they lived: the gods had a king (the head of the pantheon), they ate and fucked and made crafts and brewed beer, and sometimes even died, and there were often gods devoted to these various activities
that's likely how religion began

Extraterrestrials, deceased loved ones, and the Sasquatch -- but not God, though the extraterrestrials told me our existence doesn't have anything to do with a higher power due to life being a universal expression of consciousness on a nonphysical and physical plane of existence

>>935925341
Philosophy generally just covers thinking about thinking, a sapient being is going to do it, it's why they're classed as sapient. A metaphor is a simple feature of language, we'd have to go back very far to reach precursors to humans who wouldn't be able to process an object in a sentence that isn't literally in the room with them right now.
The earliest known religions date back about 5k years.

Moreover I don't see how you could picture these humans writing out a doctrine using language they're not supposed to be able to understand yet. This is like suggesting the pythagorean theorem came ahead of basic arithmetic.
Now, some spiritual practices can be found here and there like a tribe having a process to bury their dead, but without being able to produce a scripture it's not going to be an organized religion, it's a local oral tradition at best.

The tension between a personal interpretation (which an oral tradition would require) and passing this interpretation on to an organization (which requires a rulebook to do so by) is what has me questioning organized religion in the firstr place.

>>935925800
>Philosophy generally just covers thinking about thinking,
you're describing metacognition, not philosophy
>a sapient being is going to do it, it's why they're classed as sapient.
sapience is a separate issue from philosophy (which you defined incorrectly) and metacognition (which you did define, but seemingly without knowing the difference between it and philosophy)
>A metaphor is a simple feature of language, we'd have to go back very far to reach precursors to humans who wouldn't be able to process an object in a sentence that isn't literally in the room with them right now.
engaging in metaphor is not
>process[ing] an object in a sentence that isn't literally in the room with them right now
you're describing--poorly--something along the lines of abstract thought or object permanence, not metaphor
>The earliest known religions date back about 5k years.
simply wrong
archaeological discoveries millennia older than 3000 B.C.E. show that human beings had religious beliefs and practices

i'm not going to respond to the rest of your post, as it wouldn't be a good use of my time

you don't know what philosophy is, you don't know what metaphors are, and your knowledge of human (pre)history seems to stop at the Old Kingdom of Egypt (~5000 years ago) when our species is several hundred thousand years old; none of that is bad in itself; the problem is that you seem to be determined to be ineducable, and i'm not going to engage with someone who insists on their own bizarre and idiosyncratic definitions for words and historical timelines

>>935926167
>god
if you are really talking about the christian god, no

>>935927986
i don't know what you're quoting, as the word god appeared nowhere in the post you referenced

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