Thread 936065376

I think it is one of the best books ever. It applies so much today.

Here is a synthwave song with a monologue clip from the climax of the book. Spoiler alert.
https://youtu.be/nYLiBEgLOYE

>>936065376 (OP)
I've read all of the dystopian novels. The best is A Brave New World. Super accurate. Except he didn't quiet factor in how powerful AI would be.

>>936065561
I'd agree with this poster. I also enjoyed fahrenheit 451, but Brave New World was a standout. The last chapter stuck with me.

>>936065672
>>936065561
This YouTube video is a work of art like those novels. Perfectly captures the globohomo dystopian nightmare.

https://youtu.be/UrEUzKTt7j0

>>936065672
Yeah, Fahrenheit 451 hits hard too and is a call to arms against censorship and control.
But Brave New World warned us we’d stop caring altogether.
We’re not being silenced necessarily in the end, we’re amusing ourselves to death.

>>936065561
I'll just get both then

>>936065870
>globohomo

>>936065376 (OP)
It's good, if you're looking for a 'guy from the past predicts the future' look into that and Brave New World, and we're in a weird combination of both. 1984's newspeak which is well... just the news and I guess podcasts like JRE. Then Soma from BNW, which is seen in the device centered nature of everything (imo). Probably the more important bit from BNW now is the re-writing of history as we're actively living through that.

>>936065561
I agree with this poster as well. Brave New World ended up being closer to our present reality than 1984 and Fahrenheit 451.

>>936065995
NTA but he’s not wrong, it’s a big part of the modern society we live in.

>>936065995
What a strange thing to say...

>>936066033
Agree to disagree. To me, its clearly propaganda. Divide and conquer dressed up pretty, all while nudging us straight into 1984.

>>936065376 (OP)
yeah it's only 300 pages

>>936065376 (OP)
Infinite Jest is more of a mind fuck.

>>936066083
It stands for global homogeneity; pointing out that consumer capitalism makes different parts of the world all look and sound the same by breaking down differences and forcing everything to follow the profit motive. It’s a huge part of why the world is the way that it is today. You can’t just ignore it.

>>936066174
If only people saying globohomo meant that and not using it as a retarded phrase to mean 'theyre turning everyone gay' that /pol/ goes on about.

>>936066059
Aww.
The Israel shills are pretending to fight each other.

After reading Brave New World, 1984 feels like a waste of time. 451F was just fun for what it was even outside the social commentary.

Dont read 1984.

>>936066174
is this b8? lol

>>936066221
They kind of go hand in hand like how western countries lobby extremely hard for “lgbt rights” even in conservative third world countries.

>>936066254
>>936066263
Because ideally everywhere on earth should be a North American suburb with pride flags everywhere.

>>936066221
That is what I meant by saying globohomo. You were the retard using what you consider the /pol/ definition and sending the thread this direction. Fucking idiot.

>>936066301
Mogadishu? They just need more consumer capitalism and fag marriage. That’s progress. And it is or at least has been heading that way.

>>936066328
Kiev? They need democracy. And to join the Western economic sphere. And fag marriage.

Too hard to resist, wouldn't you say? emyriion

>>936066307
People who are scared of globalism are like children who don't want their peas to touch their mashed potatoes.

>>936066263
That’s exactly the kind of critical thinking they’re trying to destroy in us. By making us not trust each other.
Make no mistake: there is an Illuminati force at play.
They don’t want peace. They want control.
It’s their planet, we’re just renters.

>>936066365
Profound and convincing argument, galaxy brain.

>>936066382
>The Illuminati.

>>936066401
Yet it still escapes you.
Like the scent of your upper lip; you're blaming the globohomo that everything around you smells bad.

>>936066365
People who can't make an argument without making a straw man and totally distorting what their opponent says are losing the argument.

This is a shot of the book Genderqueer. The book that is at the center of "banning books" from schools. Leftists are fighting for this book to be in elementary school libraries.

>>936066350
Tokyo? Japan is racist they need to open their borders. And they need to legalize fag marriage. Everywhere on Earth needs to be same same and gay.

>>936066418
100%, Rothschild, Rockefeller, and whatnot.
It's not a conspiracy. It's more of a coalescence.

>>936066452
Metaphors aren't strawmen.
You call yourself a critical thinker?

>>936066479
Conspiracy theories are for people too dumb to understand reality.

>>936066490
>Still not addressing any point made by someone in this thread.
You have no argument.

>>936066512
Nigger, it's not a conspiracy. You're just dumb.

>>936066537
You're right you never formed any sort of premise.

>>936066538
I'm dumb because I don't believe the illuminati controls the world?

Just yes, very stupid question

>>936066307
Oh so I should of assumed you were with the minority with that take on 4chan of all places. Righto. The 'youll own nothing and be happy' is too intertwined with the antisemitic / antigay smooth brain memes for me to take seriously.
>>936066263
Destabilization for the sake of installing 'democracy' - Lmao when the doge faggots were like 'lgbt education for middle east youth?? why would you want to install western ideologies in the youth of my enemy???????' god damn retards.
>>936066301
The difference between Ls and Rs vision for the future is if the little picket fences across the globe have pride flags or dont tread on me flags, the rest if a venn diagram

>>936066587
Yes. Now you get it. Not total control, but they pull their strings.
>"Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws"
-Mayer Amschel Rothschild

>>936065376 (OP)
It's basically a textbook on authoritarian tactics, particularly those from the Stalinist era and the regimes that can trace a line of descent from them. You can get the same information from history as well, but 1984 is only like a couple hundred pages so you can read it in one sitting.

>>936066649
Power is dynamic and changes all the time in social systems.
Who cares, there's been lots of egotistical men through history that thought they controlled everything.

>>936066704
It’s an element of society we should all stay aware of.
There are always those working to control, exploit, or even erase you, and sometimes, they get the means to do it. Just something to remember is all.

>>936066810
But you actually weaken that point by relying on conspiracy theories.
Instead of actually questioning authority you supplant the act of rebellion by replacing constructive narratives with erratic ones.
Criticize Donald Trump instead of worrying about what the Rothschild's are up to.
Oh that's right, you can't. Because his authority is apriori intellectualism and you better dance around that so people's identity politics are bruised.
Get the fuck out of here with your bullshit.

>>936066995
Sweet meltdown, professor.
I didn’t say trust Q, I said stay aware. Jfc

>>936067079
>Professor
Don't flatter me.

>I didn’t say trust Q, I said stay aware. Jfc
I'm more aware than you are I don't need your "bona fide" bullshit or help lol.

>>936067153
Wild how hard you're caping for people who see you as livestock though, init?
I said stay aware of forces at play, you heard “insult my masters.”
That’s not awareness friend, it’s obedience.
You don’t sound awake, you sound 'well trained'.

>>936067285
You're suspicious of real intellectualism because mainstream intellectuals support the status quo instead of deconstructing it.
Talking heads are supported by publishing houses, podcasts, think tanks, etc.
You don't see people like me on television having these kinds of dialectics because it would undermine your mainstream values.
You can observe power dynamics without partaking in them. But you're subject to suppression as well. We all are. If you believe you have some "secret" information you're just using a narcissistic defense to believe you're special and above the invisible hand that drives you to consume and produce.
There is no opting out bitch. Even the big bad wolves in office are controlled by the systems they thought they would revolutionize but power changed them instead.

>>936065376 (OP)
No. Everyone is so desensitized by Trump and the media it won't mean anything. It will just seem to you a puzzling story and you will be pressured to believe that it's more about the Democrats.

>>936067464
Cool essay, but all I hear is someone who saw the cage and decided it was home. The difference is, I'll bang on it till my hands bleed.
Calling awareness a narcissistic defense just tells me you gave in long ago.
You don’t sound free in the slightest. You sound housebroken.

>>936067612
You have poor reading comprehension.
You cling to your delusion that you're more aware or special than others because it's too painful that you are indeed an "NPC" and no red pill is going to save you.
Rebellion for it's own sake is still participating in the system.
Believe it.

>>936067659
Imagine thinking awareness = delusion and obedience = enlightenment. Your thoughts and intentions have power, and you're giving it away. You’re not breaking the system, you’re narrating its rules like a bedtime story. NPCs don’t glitch the matrix, they just guard it like good boys.
Believe that.

>>936065376 (OP)
It's pretty good. I wouldn't say it lives up to the amount of circlejerk around it but it's also short.

>>936067738
He's right though. You're a narcissistic twat who unironically throws around cringewords like "NPC"

>>936067738
You can't transcend narratives and explore post-structuralism if you're still attached to your conspiracy theories and use those as a substitute for actual humanity.
Post modernism is a no no and you better stay in your lane or the big bad Red Pill Shill is going to straighten you out.

>>936067800
If you believe a warning about totalitarianism is some sort of "circle jerk," Fox News has really done a number on

>>936067804
I was referencing their usage of it smart guy. Reading comprehension? You're both wrong and gay.

It's super short, and easy to read. Four hour maybe. Just do it, and stop pretending to be intelligent.

>>936066009
it's a false dichotomy
>bnw, readily available drugs and hedonism, utter apathy
both share total social immobility and we're getting there
>1984 increasing surveillance and control, inculcation of blind hatred (people never seem to remember the films of refugee boats being machine-gunned screened in the cinemas to cheers and laughter, it's always just Room 101)

>>936066452
>Leftists are fighting for this book to be in elementary school libraries.
lie
show me ONE source
> A post on X from April 2023 explicitly states that there are no known cases of the book being in elementary school libraries,

>>936067835
No, I mean I think it's overblown in pop culture. It's good and all but fairly ham fisted and simple. There's a reason it's a popular middle school book.

>>936068085
>it's a false dichotomy
Finally, someone else understands this. Both books cover critical topics: 1984 covers the use of constant conflict, propaganda, and language manipulation to control people and Brave New World covers the use of pleasure to distract people. Authoritarians use both sets of tactics, which makes sense given the historic and current overlap between the political, economic, and cultural elite.

>>936065376 (OP)
Yes
It's a bit slow in the beginning - just push through, it pics up.

Just read it, you'll be better off having read it.
I'm glad I read it.
Helped me see through the NewSpeak in the News & with politicians!
It was pretty prophetic!

>>936065376 (OP)
As an actual novel, it's so-so. Not terrible, not amazing. You need to read it just to be culturally conversant.
Read Brave New World if you want to one-up people. Read Zamyatin's We and Jack London's The Iron Heel if you want to look like a tryhard.

>>936065919
1984
F451
>amusing ourselves to death

Absolutely

Only watch TV - a few programs, then turn it off.
Go outside
Read a book!

>>936066587
>I'm dumb because I don't believe
Well, yes
No saying you MUST be convinced, but a closed mind is IGNORANT!

>>936069807
The concept of NewSpeak has definitely taken on new context with postmodernism and neoprogressivism. People trying to shut down entire ideas by shaming people for using the wrong language and everything. And then there's the conservatives, but they've always been full of shit.

>>936065919
>a call to arms against censorship
>According to an interview in Listen to the Echoes: The Ray Bradbury Interviews by Sam Weller, Bradbury recounted that he told the students they were wrong about interpreting the novel as solely about censorship. He emphasized that the book was more about the "moronic influence of popular culture through local TV news" and the proliferation of mindless entertainment, which leads to apathy toward art and intellectual pursuits. When the students persisted in their interpretation, Bradbury became so exasperated that he used strong language ("Fuck you") and walked out of the lecture, vowing not to give another talk on the subject.
it's still the same old story kek
cucked out of the interpretation of all he'll be remembered for

>>936070406
Sounds like he was just an elitist prick like Ebert. "Media before me intellectual, media after me ignorant."

>>936070590
Well there's no denying most TV is utter brainrot shite, I just think it's really funny that this mythical interpretation has completely displaced his actual intent. So it's like he failed, when you think about it.

>>936070653
Most modern literature is as well. Unless someone can give me scientific evidence that books, television, and video games are somehow more or less inherently intellectual than the others I stand by my initial assessment.

Homer would have probably considered Bradbury's works to be mindless entertainment because you don't even have to memorize them.

>>936065995
>mentally ill leftist cope

>>936070894
Like 80+% of the world is anti-gay; "globohomo" is an oxymoron. It's more like "northamericawesterneuropeoceaniahomo

Orwell was borderline schizo to write it when he did. Equally unhinged as it is enlightened. It's one of the books virtually any and all future dystopian works take from like Fahrenheit 451. Like The Hunger Games or shit like Divergent. It's still influencing today.

>>936070998
>Orwell was borderline schizo to write it when he did
Like Animal Farm it was a reaction to the totalitarianism of Stalin and other contemporary Marxist-Leninist regimes. Nothing schizo about writing about what was then extremely relevant.

>>936071134
Well I mean writing it expecting it to do well. Both Animal Farm and 1984 barely got published and the initial reaction wasn't great. Iirc both books were slandered as being commie in America yet got banned from the USSR at the same time lol. The general population had trouble wrapping their mind around it. He sadly didn't live to see people really start to understand.

>>936071428
He also didn't live to see his home country become one of the most anti-free-speech nations in the developed world. Even today people are failing to learn from him.

Who's volunteering to be my little secret tonight? emaquiie

>>936070808
>personal incredulity
yes m8 days of our lives really is as good as vanity fair, don't let the snobs tell you otherwise

>>936065376 (OP)
there is far better books than this fiction piece of shit by a trotskyite
https://www.marxists.org/subject/economy/authors/pe/index.htm

>>936072222
>quads

>>936072065
Cherry picking fallacy. Just go to your local bookstore: coomer novels for wine aunts, mystery novels recycling hundred year old Agatha Christie works, rewrites of classic literature with race or genderswapped protagonists, AIslop science fiction, a thousand different get rich schemes, and political science sections filled with theses that either all white people are racist or that Democrats are the REAL racists. And of course the "Holy" Bible; the best selling document in history and also one of the most irrational, hateful, and dangerous.

No one will argue that there isn't good literature or bad television; the argument is that quality is not mutually exclusive to medium. You and Bradbury can hold onto your elitism all you want, but until you can meet some burden of proof regarding your claims I don't have to take them any more seriously than a belief that the Earth is flat.

>>936065376 (OP)
it's just an idea of a dystopian future.
Brave New World is another idea of a dystopian future.
In reality it'll never get that bad/
It'll never get so bad that people actually start revolting, but just on the threshold.

>>936072378
yes
they are all shite
none of this is contradicting the point, with which you're clearly arguing just to argue

>>936070808
>scientific evidence
>regarding an aesthetic proposition
You have never known Beauty, have never known Joy. You never will.

>>936072716
My point has always been that Bradbury's claim that modern forms of entertainment inherently lack the quality of the old is unsupported and elitist. Television, for example, is essentially a form a recorded theater and thus there is no reason to assume it cannot at least potentially have the same quality and respect as theater without actual scientific evidence.

>>936072813
Viewing it from the perspective of subjectivity also proves Bradbury's claims to be incorrect. Either art is subjective and cannot be held to be "highbrow versus lowbrow" or it has some measurable quality in which case burden of proof is on those claiming to measure it.

Great book honestly. Its hard for me to recommend it since its so fucking bleak but genuinely a good read, really makes you feel things which imo is the entire point of a book.
Entirely unrelated but No Longer Human is also a great book, one of my favorites.

>>936065376 (OP)
>>936065561
The world we live in today is a mix of 1984 and Brave New World.

If I remember correctly, 1984 comes with an epilogue which many find boring and skip over, but you should not do so. It provides additional knowledge about the world and language used in the novel, and the discussion of Newspeak is highly relevant to the self-censorship we being used today by those who fear demonetization.

I know Reddit is hated here, but I have one nice thing to say about them. A few days ago I saw someone self censor repeatedly and he got yelled at by multiple people to stop it. I liked that.

I read both these books in either middle school or early high school, as well as Fahrenheit 451. The third is also important because we are now living in a time of book burning and book bans. Books are being removed from libraries for things as innocuous as a depiction of a nude statue from ancient Rome.

>>936075826
>A few days ago I saw someone self censor repeatedly and he got yelled at by multiple people to stop it. I liked that.
elaborate

>>936070982
Yea right. You probably think America is the gayest country too. It's actually germany. Gay is accepted damn near everywhere. In Iran they even make you trans if you're gay.

Yeah 1984 was a good read. Relatively simple and easy to digest. His other books, Road to Wigan Pier, and Down and out in Paris and London are also excellent. His other works I found a bit dry and boring.

You you could also try Mark Twain's short stories, they're quite fun, and brief to read.

>>936065376 (OP)
Nah.
Nothing to see here.
Don’t worry about it