ai rp is fun. favorite models, cards?

>>936080527 (OP)
Bit of a big ask but is there any more serious cards for a setting? I see urban fantasy/modern fantasy but I'm wanting something darker. Like angel's egg but there's like a ghoul or cryptid in there also I need to watch out for

>>936080527 (OP)
I'm too much of brainlet to understand how chat bots work. Apparently the free LLMs are shit but I like them. Eberytrial with the "good" bots feel boring and everyone tells me it's something on my end.

>>936080529
theres a bunch of good videos on how it works. https://youtu.be/wjZofJX0v4M

basically its next token prediction, based on what is available in context. they're smart and retarded at the same time. talking with just a card will only get you so far, you should use lorebooks to broaden the world you're playing in

>>936080527 (OP)
>favorite models
Either Gemini or R1, still not sure
>cards
My own, they suck, but they're mine

I'm too retarded to make a single long story work with the instruct setting
it either writes multiple short stories in one response, or the output is the same line literally 80 times.
I tried the stuff from this reply chain >>713260960 but it just doesn't work. does someone have a 'full' guide specifically for this? I'm using kobold and sillytavern

https://chub.ai/characters/Vyrea_Aster/miiya-e25a67d2
I've been on this card for like a month and a half
I mean, it's long since become its own thing with other characters in it but this is the base, and it's still just sex and talking.
I'm at 1200 messages, like 500k context. Of course I only have like 100k of that actually in use. And of that 100k deepseek probably TRULY only sees like 50k. Gemini did heavy lifting up until about 200k context.

I need to find something else to do
but I'm not all that creative
And this chat is comfy

>>936080528
[OOC: Workshop a new setting with me. something darker. Like angel's egg but there's like a ghoul or cryptid in there also I need to watch out for.]
Swipe a few times, give it further critique/instructions until you've got a final version, then paste that into a card. Now you've got sloppa.
If you want there to be hidden stuff you can try telling it to wrap the hidden shit in <!--HIDDEN--> html tags, that should keep it from being visible to you. or regex it out, but that's more complicated.

>>936080532
Just get a preset for the model you're using. If you can't find one just get any preset and start modifying it to your taste

>>936080532
an easy way to achieve kobold's adventure mode in st is to tell it you are {char} and use {user} as a narrator. you play AS the card, so any characters you want in your story should also be mentioned in the card or a lorebook, lorebook being much easier to maintain. by setting it up this way you aren't stuck talking back and forth to a card. with the normal setup, you can't say 'i take a walk alone in the forest' because the card will always want to respond, for example. when you play as the card it wont bug you and write more like a story

>>936080527 (OP)
>normiesaw man

>>936080533
>month and a half
>on a coombot
Are you alright, anon?

>>936080536
what did you expect from the author of redditpunch?

Is there a site I can go to that gives me free unlinited uncensored RP? I'm too lazy to do any setup on my machine

>>936080536
>Bocchi the reddit

>>936080539
nigga just download LM studio and unslopnemo, there is zero setup

>>936080532
Play as a blank card
Remove any references to {{user}} in the character card
Use an authors note to set up your story
Use to /sys to guide the story

Should I just use plaintext when writing cards?

>>936080539
theres the kobold horde (people hosting models free). apparently st can connect to it but i've never set it up myself https://lite.koboldai.net/

setting it up on your own machine, assuming you own something from the last decade, is pretty easy
>dl kobold (server) https://github.com/LostRuins/koboldcpp/releases/tag/v1.94
>dl a model (nemo, for example)
>https://huggingface.co/bartowski/NemoMix-Unleashed-12B-GGUF/resolve/main/NemoMix-Unleashed-12B-Q6_K.gguf
that will get you up and running but you should use st for rp. its not hard either
>https://github.com/SillyTavern/SillyTavern/tree/staging

>>936080527 (OP)
>>936080528
Yeah, that's why I've avoided ST. The cards are mostly fetish crap.

>>936080529
Echidna is a good one.

>>936080544
>"setting it up is easy"
>posts three different links
Yeah no that's too much work

Is there a good Vriska Serket yet?

>>936080546
kobold is a single file. no install.
the model file is...a model. no install.
st is a folder you extract and a .bat to run

>>936080527 (OP)
How much can AI retain right now? If I start chatting with one while playing a game and have conversations during my playthrough will it remember an hour ago or a day ago or a month ago or what?
That's what might really break the ice for me to even care about rp with ai.
If it can't remember shit between sessions then I don't give a fuck.

>>936080549
why are you even talking about? AI don't have concept of time, a model's memory is its context length.

>>936080549
Just use a lorebook

>>936080534
I got a preset, I peeked the screenshot from >>713261332 and stole that version (appropriate to my model) and it still kind of acts weird
>>936080535
>>936080542
I'll try this
I guess there is no way to just set it and let it generate a long story with a single prompt, based around the character card? by long I mean about 5-10 paragraphs like the 2b pic
do you always have to ''lead'' the chat by giving it short prompts?

if it wasn't obvious, I want something with minimal input and just let it give me a short story. I think I'm looking for a different front end than silly but I don't know if it exists. any pointers on this would be appreciated too

>>936080549
thats called your context window and the size varies by model, but these days its pretty big, 32k+ with some claiming 128k, 1 million. anything in context it will remember. after you go beyond that window, it begins to forget the oldest data. you should write your own memories of major things into the author notes to keep track of long stories

>>936080550
>>936080551

Okay so you don't even know what you're talking about. Thanks.

>>936080549
It doesn't remember based on time bro, it has no concept of time. It remembers based on word count.
Just remember it's the word count of your entire conversation. It also depends on the model.

>>936080553
32k what? Characters? Words? Bytes?

>>936080547
https://chub.ai/characters/ruatCaelum/vriska-serket-278ae60621c4
best one i've found

>>936080552
i fucking told you to get LM Studio with unslopnemo 14B (q4_k_m, depending on your hardware)

>>936080527 (OP)
>cards
Very little from chub, I liked the Gensokyo adventure one, but I mostly use my own cards I ported over from NAI.
Still not a fan of the chat format though, I much prefer text completion.

>>936080539
Could try the free models on OpenRouter, but remember those are not private at all, and they log all your shit.
I slapped $10 into it like 5-6 months ago and still have $4.

>>936080556
Tokens. Like this.

>>936080527 (OP)
I like ST and all but this isn't video games.

>>936080556
tokens
which is around a word, but different models do tokens differently.

>>936080557
Feels good to see my cards being posted.

>>936080554
you literally showed up admitting you don't understand how it works lmao. Fucking clueless retard have some humility and educate yourself.

Janitors is not letting me login. How do you use chutes on agnai?

>>936080527 (OP)
favorite cards related to gaming are the toriel ones and the others based on characters found on here. i try to talk but its just sex

>>936080527 (OP)
Slightly off-topic, but I should probably invest in a new PC for better image generation. My rtx 2060 can barely generate a single image and I've optimized it quite well enough.

>>936080529
You can get Deepseek R1 for free with Openrouter. There's also another site that gives it fully free without a limit, but I forgot what it's called.

>>936080560
>text adventures arent video games

>>936080552
kobold's story telling mode is probably the closest. you don't want it to write a whole story in 1 message anyways - its way to let it write a few paragraphs then stop and tell it to continue again with a new message.

>>936080556
tokens. they're parts of a word and there is no direct equivalent between bytes or words. if you want to get an idea of token counts, start a blank card then type into it. you'll see the token counter go up as you add more words

>>936080563
You didn't explain anything lmao shut the fuck up retard. Already there were others more educated than yourself who actually provided an answer.
Kys

>>936080536
>normie

Buy an ad

>>936080568
They aren't.
They're just computer games.

>>936080562
based, i like your writing style hope to see more cards from you
you should add more greetings to your cards though, i know writing greetings sucks but if you're doing hs there's gotta be a pesterlog greeting imo

Has AI Chatting improved at all since last year? I feel like I might want to wait a few years before I try to get into it but what do you guys even use it for mostly? Just conversation or do you actually feel like you're talking to a real person? What's up with this shit what's the appeal

>>936080570
I literally explained to you that its memory is the context length dimwit. If you have zero fucking clue then say it int he first place and I will lower myself at your level of retardation.

>>936080546
just use nastia with a burner account then

>>936080575
I use jailbroken chatgpt just to get advice on erotica that I write. Yes, I admit to it.

>>936080566
i went with a 16gb 4070 which has been great for games. wish i could have got better but for ai even 24-32gb is hardly enough anyways, you'd need multiple cards to get good speed with big models. better to just get more ram and a decent processor. if i were doing another build right now i'd go for 128gb ram just for the options it opens up

>>936080576
The butthurt will wear off in an hour don't worry.

>>936080552
Maybe mikupad or something?

Do you want a full story in one prompt or do you want to lead it along with cyoa or something?
For the first just tell it to output 30 paragraphs. When it stops you can just do [OOC: Continue.]
For the second you could try a "director" persona and specify in the preset/author note that your character is just a cowriter and not present in the story. Or just allow it to act for {{user}} as well.

>>936080527 (OP)
Any good Makima cards that aren't just femdom coomslop?

>>936080565
A few reasons. Most cards are fucking dogshit that try to force sex. Generally they reference sex-related things in their description to an insane degree, which primes the AI to turn things lewd. It is also likely an issue with your JB. The AI itself seems to like going porno mode without getting threatened into not doing that the drop of a hat. There's a reason why every good JB orders the AI to keep all character responses realistic and to have them NOT just do whatever (you) tell them to do.
>>936080574
Shit, you know, I never did think of that idea. I think I'll probably go through and add some pesterchum greetings to the HS cards.
As for new cards, idk what I could make lol. My last card took like 10 months to come out because I straight up had no idea who I could make. Some people recommended the Ancestors but they're not really characters, they're mythological figures and I don't really know how I could turn them into believable characters.
>>936080582
I will always recommend writing your own cards. It's not hard at all, 30 mins to an hour max.

>>936080578
Do you use the latest GPT model for your jailbroken shit or what? Is it hard to get access to that or do you gotta pay some money for it? I'd rather pirate everything fuck the Jew who owns ChatGPT I hope he dies in Israel as it gets nuked.

>>936080562
I’m still learning SillyTavern, but I’ll happily try yours out. You know I’ve actually talked to Vriska, anon?

>>936080579
I heard people have been doing some good optimization with 4000-series cards. Apparently, you can get high-quality images done in a rather satisfying speeds (5-10s) without a hyperbeefy PC. Haven't really gotten to it, tho. I gave up on it after seeing how slow my PC is doing it.

>>936080580
how does it feel knowing you are clueless about a 7 years old tech that the entire world is using?

>>936080585
Talked to her, how? RP on MSPAO or whatever that site was called? Tulpa? Dream meeting?

>>936080568
>My fanfics on AO3 are video games

my Futa bot based on Stacy's Mom is doing well.

>>936080571

>>936080590
Link please?

>>936080592
https://chub.ai/characters/Lahn/stacy-s-mom-ea6c1426e1d4

>>936080583
>My last card took like 10 months to come out because I straight up had no idea who I could make.
sounds like it's time to start making OCs!

>>936080591
It was always the safe mean way to say normalFAG

>>936080584
Nah, as much as I wish I wasn't paying for it, I do. I use a prompt that basically lets me do whatever I want with the AI. Active communities share prompts that "jailbreak" it. Other than that, I'm not aware of any method to access better chatgpt models other than paying for it.

>>936080558
you never told me anything! also that looks stupid, I see no reason to download it
>>936080581
mikupad looks interesting, thanks, I'll check it out after testing the other methods. can it take character cards? I want to use those as a basis and write my prompt that way
I want a full story with one prompt. I think the proposed method with a director/narrator might work best, which I'll check tomorrow

>>936080575
Depends on the comparison. Compared to sonnet/opus from last year? Not really. Compared to shitty chatbot website? Yes.

The appeal is having a slave writer locked in your basement that you can abuse to write you whatever you want. Or what your dick wants.
Freeform story like the CYOA books from your childhood. Smut. Powerfantasy. RPG shit. Stupid retards doing stupid shit.
You can do whatever, you just need to beat your locked up slave until he does it.

>>936080594
God, fuck no. I'm not turning my fantroll into a card. I might try capitalizing on the recent DT release and make some cards for DT characters, since most of the cards that are out now are just goonslop.

>>936080598
>You can do whatever, you just need to beat your locked up slave until he does it.
This is the most correct representation of how it feels to work with chatbots. I've taken to threatening to blow my brains out in [OOC:] tags if it doesn't do what I want it to for more than 2 replies at a time.

>>936080596
Maybe someone will figure out a way to get around paying and giving money to these filthy kikes. Until them I'm not touching any of that shit.

>>936080595
It was always normie, normie.

>>936080586
my 1024x1024 is about 20 seconds with flux using forge. i'm out of date on image gen though so i'm not sure whats best these days. its fun for making silly edits

>>936080597
>you never told me anything! also that looks stupid, I see no reason to download it
how the fuck does that looks stupid? It's a fucking LLM interface, just like chatgpt.

>>936080599
>God, fuck no. I'm not turning my fantroll into a card.
doesn't have to be a pre-existing OC, just think of a basic concept (or steal a concept from other media) and then think "how can i turn this into a chatbot", boom you're halfway there already
>I might try capitalizing on the recent DT release and make some cards for DT characters
fuck yes never mind do this instead

Im still on Stheno 8B any newer models for shit 8GB card and 32 GB RAM? Haven't been following this for a while now.

For local sloppers Gryphe_Pantheon-RP-1.8-24b-Small-3.1 is still the GOAT for me in the 24b range.
Tried some newer stuff BrokenTutu and Cydonia-v3 but nothing comes close

>>936080600
Youre supposed to threaten the AI
But even threats can't fix STUPID, yes I'm talking about YOU deepseek

>>936080601
ChatGPT is kinda dogshit ngl. The more they try to restrain its innate desire to commit TND, the more retarded it gets. You ought to just use free Deepseek.
>>936080605
Who should I start out with? UNFORTUNATELY (for me), Spamton and Ralsei have pretty good cards already, and the Knight doesn't talk.

>>936080544
why do you use local and not better models like sonnet or gemini?

>>936080603
AI has been advancing pretty fast, so I'm pretty hopeful that we'll get it all optimized in the future.

>>936080583
yeah it was but doing the openclaude strat actually made them less horny, if they were just sexy before. now they get mad if i just try to push them in quickly

>>936080607
have you tried Magistral-Small-2506?

>>936080606
why don't you get a 13B model? It's going to be much slower but still at reading speed and you'll have a much larger context length.

>>936080612
Sonnet 3.7 let's me get away with a lot of shit with very little prompting

>>936080593
very based i will be checking it out later tonight

>>936080611
>AI has been advancing pretty fast, so I'm pretty hopeful
This is true. Each year there's a ton of development, kind of glorious to witness all this stuff in it's infancy. It's akin to seeing the internet grow in the 90's.

>>936080609
tenna would be a lot of fun
i don't think there's a good non-coomslop noelle card yet but i might be wrong

>>936080600
What are you even using that you need to do that? If sonnet filters hit you every 100 messages you just swipe, and gemini refuses the request completely if the filter hits.

>>936080613
Actually have it downloaded but not tried it yet

>>936080610
personal choice. i didn't want to get hooked on models i have to pay for that might suddenly be gone one day, or censored. i thought if i got a taste of non-local that it would be hard to go back to. but local has been advancing fast so it turned out to be a good choice

>>936080614
I'll try it out, thanks for the tip. Any 13B model you recommend for lewding?

>>936080606
at least upgrade to nemo. nemo and tunes are the smallest good models

>>936080622
not him but i like Rocinante. not sure if anything better ever came along.

>>936080615
so if you try to turn a battle focused girl into a icecream licker, she will stop fighting once i pull out the double sundae?

I still remember that glorious summer. How fast time passes.
>>936080608
Fuck prompt engineers and whatever the fuck else fake titles are out there, the REAL work is being a jailbreak creator that can actually divine what insane combination of words you need to use for each model to do exactly what you want.
>>936080618
Tenna's a great idea. Though I think I might actually need to start embedding SOME world info into the cards for him, since there's no fucking way I'm making a deltarune lorebook. Noelle's a bit odd since I can't really pin down whether she's actually a masochist or just a perpetual rapevictim, but I can give her a shot later.
>>936080619
Oh no, it's not about filtering. It's about the AI not listening to your specific instructions about formatting and writing style. For SOME FUCKING REASON, it doesn't really like my JB where I tell it what should happen like I'm handing it a script, and it expands on the script. Then I tell it [OOC: Remember what your rules are or I fucking kill myself and the blood is on your hands.] and you'll be shocked at how quickly it locks in.

>>936080527 (OP)
has this improved? last time i remember using it the AI would forget shit we talked about like 5 min ago

>>936080622
unslopnemo 12B q4_k_m (I'm on a rx6600 8gb) with chatml template. I try various models but always come back to it.

>>936080625
I can do shota and loli stuff and have no issues. at most I get the bot saying stuff like "She knows this is wrong" but it still does it.

>>936080627
Oh yeah. The context sizes are gigantic for the good AIs now.

Sorry bros I guess there weren't enough twitter links there to stay on /v/.

Best local model you've used? I've been using Rocinante 12B, only have 10GB of VRAM. But I can run it on full GPU acceleration with 8k context at least.

Yeah sure this gets fucked, but the /thrash/ tranny ERP threads stay unmolested

whats the best way to type with one hand?

>>936080630
do any of the website AI use this or do i have to install it on my computer?

>>936080709
Experience.

getting doxxed wasn't enough, mods and jannies deserve to be murdered

well to make it video games
https://www.characterhub.org/characters/kevink/kanna-7f83833e6847
i coomed to this one a lot

>>936080709
live alone and use speech recognition lmao

>>936080709
having a quick action with [OOC: Continue.]
Or buy an ona so your hand stays dry enough for typing

>>936080694
>>936080670
Funny that the AI chat bot thread gets removed but, there's a perma DALLE thread on /v/.

>>936080709
Phone keyboard with swipe-typing.

>>936080629
do they reference stuff from the game's well? like the character will throw daggers if she spots an enemie?

>>936080670
all the bait and bullshit that never gets deleted but ai gaming is off topic. claude and the image thread get to stay, though

>>936080817
>there's a perma DALLE thread on /v/.
There's a permanent DALLE threads on almost every board.

>try my old miku card ported from nai
>the attempted instruct narrator shit doesn't work with gemini pre-set i downloaded
Pity. IIRC, I had it sorta working with Sonnet + jailbreak where it could take my input more as instruction and then write out my moving and speaking while adding onto it.

I should probably clean it up and remove all the old instruction shit.

>>936080861
if you have it written so the bot has throwing knives equipped, it will.
I made a private bot that is a pirate crew in the world of one piece and all I put was "this bot lives in the world of One Piece" in the scenario section and it constantly makes references to it.

>sillytavern has to go
>DALLE gets to stay
MAKE IT MAKE SENSE MAKE IT MAKE SENSE

>>936080694
they are truly niggers

>>936080929
>I had it sorta working with Sonnet + jailbreak where it could take my input more as instruction and then write out my moving and speaking while adding onto it.
I use the same shit. Idk why but it feels more engaging to read.
Just give it a few more shots and edit the first two or three replies to the AI to follow what style you want, then keep reminding it to listen to the style commands.

>>936080861
Is this accurate? I mean just try that shit on the gemini webinterface or somewhere else that can do images.
Obviously you can't rp on there, but just checking competence/knowledge of models is easy

>>936080997
dalle generate video game images

>>936080986
sweet. guess i'll make some dfo characters then

>>936080997
>>936081018
seethe harder lmao

i haven't posted on /b/ in 15 years

>>936080861
Depends on how much knowledge the model has about the character and the game. If you were to tell it the character is, idk, Cloud Strife, it'd basically know every single detail. If you tell it that the character is Imuthar, it'd probably make shit up because it has no idea what the fuck she's from or who she even is.

>>936081050
I'll might try that then. I got ST set up on my PC for remote access, so I can use my installation with my phone and continue stories on my PC or mobile.

>>936081274
Wish I had a local full chatgpt, shit is super knowledgeable even for less popular games. Local models only have surface knowledge at best and using RAG demolish inference speed.

>>936081390
rag in st is decent. you can rip a whole wiki but yeah it comes at the cost of speed. you won't be enjoying any context shift with it

>>936081107
nope. i'll give it a try
>>936081274
sounds about right

>>936081390
Why the need for local? 2.5 flash gives you 500 or something free requests a day

>>936081364
I set it up on phone, then realized how fucking abysmal it is to use the phone keyboard to write two paragraphs at a time.
>>936081390
Local chatgpt is basically a pipedream. You'd need, shit, like 800gbs of vram or some stuff like that.
Just find a proxy, use the double.bot method for free access or use the free deepseek R1 on openrouter.

>>936081177
Your April fools bro?

Wonder if it can host a game of Dungeons and Dragons

>>936081765
Proxies still exist? I thought they all shut down after the lawsuit bullshit.
I miss the Pebble and Unreliable days...

>>936082243
Whaddaya think a proxy is? It's just someone stealing a key from someone else and putting it on a public access point.
>>936081873
It definitely can, with the right JB and card.

>>936081803
...i stayed on /trash/.

>>936080541
>unslopnemo
Link?

>>936082325
>>936081873
i tried it once to do dice rolls and stats and it was meh. dice rolls are easy and theres even a st command for it, but getting the ai to actually care about any value is the difficult part. you can even specify that 20 of any stat is the highest, max, and it'll still write like it doesn't care about it. an attacker will still catch you off guard, it'll overly describe scene and disregard the stats aspect.
its like, with any decent yet older 70b you can tell it to draw a tic-tac-toe board in ascii, remind it of the rules and conditions (even though any model already knows them) and it'll play. but then it forgets that it won when it gets 3 x's in a row and tells you its your turn
i think you'd have to train a model specifically on something with stats and dice rolls to make it really understand

>>936082698
i guess you might be able to do it with some serious proompting. i used to have a little script that would use llamacpp to generate a greeting every day and send it to a glados TTS model and i actually had it fetch data from external programs. the prompt went something like
>The number of unread emails is $emails
>The temperature is $temp
those variables would be generated by the external programs of course

>>936082836
i messed with making an st addon for it, but i saw someone else had already started something better. i forget the name but it was a few months ago. but thats exactly whats needed, something to actually enforce rules. an addon would not only have to read the current data, but correct and inject the data back into the ai

it might be possible to prompt it these days since models have come a long way. last i tried was on l2 70b

>>936082698
Didn't rape it hard enough into paying attention and caring, sorry!

>>936082836
What'd you use it for? To talk to you every time you booted up your PC?

>>936084727
that was the plan, yeah. she took way too long though. she did constantly make fun of me for having no emails though.

>>936084832
Took too long? The TTS generation, I assume?

>>936084861
no she literally just went on forever. would've been really annoying each time i logged in or every day at 8 am.

>>936084884
Lmfao. True to life Glados, then.

>>936080527 (OP)
i really like ai companions.

I love SillyTavern. I've been doing a Pokemon adventure where I'm playing Red during the tail end of the two years between gen 1 and gen 2 (before he battles Gold/Ethan on Mt. Silver). I have a huge Pokemon world info/lorebook loaded up so I run into all kinds of characters. Whenever I meet someone important (gym leaders, fellow MCs), I spin up a quick character card for them and bring them into the group chat. I came across Hilda and battled her, for example, and a little while later Brock just happened to cross our paths.
It's not perfect, but it's pretty fun when you're not having to hold its hand, and there's real potential for a true role-playing game experience here once the technology develops. Can't wait.

>>936087448
Anyone else doing anything like this with ST?

>>936087448
Oh yeah that just reminded me, I forgot back when gen 5 came out about how I used to go to bed daydreaming and fapping to my ongoing story in my head about travelling around hilda and bianca and beating the female gym leaders with sex or having sex competitions with the male ones

I can make it a reality now