Thread 936114739

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!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NO PEDO SHIT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Previous Thread : >>936108233

P.S. : These threads do not have any celebs.

>>936114739 (OP)
Not a celeb

>>936114830
wtf, how did you get my penis so accurate
delete this

In the hopes of bring peace to the Middle East, can one of you excellent genders please make princess Kate eat some pussy, or at least have a dripping creampie?

Humbly requesting an image of Margaret Qualley scissoring Jennifer Connelly, something tasteful yet displaying overtones of taboo passion and lust. Please and thank you

>>936114923
>>936114868
>>936114867
>>936114830
>>936114812
Not cellebd

>>936114943
I'd watch that. Could also be fun to see them crying and going ass to ass ("ass to ass! Ass to ass") while a bunch of sleazy businessmen throw money at them.

>>936114981
There are no celebs in this thread :)

>>936114981
>>936115019
not a sane person

>Gillian Anderson is not a celeb
spooky

I miss the good ol Bing days sometimes

>>936114815
>>936114981
triggered

>>936115052
Not a celeb

>>936115160
triggered

>>936114923
Moar elle

>>936114812
Need Alison Brie on the Late Night Coom

>>936115180
Pedophile also not a celeb

zero sugars
zero carbs

>>936115017
kek excellent reference sir

rip flowing hair anon

Someone please link the Ana and Hayley loras

>>936114867
very realistic
>>936115209
kino

>>936115093
Bing could generate some good bazongas and more than decent bimbo haristyles.

>>936114739 (OP)
MOAR BRYCE DALLAS HOWARD

>>936115209
I miss the days when this place had fun. before the death threats

>>936115339
sometimes I wonder how many fellow /aco/ fags are in here.

>>936115415
Probably more than you think

>>936115474
she's gorgeous

>>936115463
Not a celeb

>>936115507
how many old fags from the /tv/ days?

More of this type of Charlie

>>936115523
Pedophile

>>936115550
>>936115544
Not celebs

>>936115523
hero

>>936115474
huge ass

>>936115624
Not a celeb

>>936115216
27 and a mainstream hollywood actress, the fuck you talkin about?

>>936115656
Not a ceIeb

>>936115632
>hey big boy

>>936115656
oh damn

>>936115749
Premium target

realistic

>>936115765
Not a celeb

>>936115653
Moar brace face tay tay

>>936115673
>>936115647
>>936115572
>>936115530
>>936115216

>>936115816
Not a ceIeb

>>936115305
how about naomi scott

>>936115544
I've got you

>>936115862
sorry never work with celeebs, just put photorealism to disney princesses

>>936114739 (OP)
Wish you had it at x4 the resolution, Mr OP

>>936115980
>>936115544
>>936115918

These are fuckin great

Any more Natasha Lui Bordizzo aka Sabine Wren?

>>936116227
For a moment I feared she was going to pull out a gun. Thank you for treating my gen with respect.

>>936116142
Second, and Ivanna Sakhno

i really want to see some wet hairy pussy spread open. please any based genners. preferably abby or BDH

how about hunter schafer

>>936113228
Yes, more, please.
Azkaban Emma is best Emma.

>>936115749
>>936115946
Gothify Emily Kinney or Sadie Sink.

>>936116510
>>936116468
pedo bastard
>>936116281
not a celeb

>>936116566
< this is you

>>936116402
these charlis are goated

>Roll the prompt, Krunk!
>WRONG PROMPT!
>Why do we even have that prompt?

>>936116510
holy fuck gooning

>>936116510
>bravo

>>936116630
no

>>936116597
how about her fucking her co star

>>936116697
nice one

>>936116737
perfection

these threads are allergic to fat asses i swear

I'm out of ideas for loras to train. Any suggestions anons?

>>936116737
no idea who this is

>>936114739 (OP)
Always loved her, although she was much hotter around The Village before all the plastic surgery.
Think she bleached her anus? I'd love to lick it before or after I rub my whole face on her big swollen mama pussy. God she must smell heavenly down there after a long day or right before her period.

>>936116882
it's like the complete opposite. every time someone posts a petite girl, it immediately gets spammed with "pedo" accusations

>>936116901
fitness youtubers/instagrammers. I'd sell my left nut for some Megsquats filth

>>936116737
I'm afraid glowies might knock if I save

>>936116901
does alexis krauss exist? i tried requesting gens a few times like two months ago but no one came through. so probably not worth it if no one will use it.

>>936116901
Michelle Trachenberg, in pigtails, in her bedroom fingering Buffy :3

>>936116901
I'll sell my testicales for a girl I know

>>936116979
tbh same. it is a bit sussy wussy

>>936116737
moar charli UUUOOOHHH

>>936116901
Alyssa Milano exclusively from Embrace of the Vampire, Double Dragon, and Poison Ivy II (all 1995-1996)

>>936116901
>I'm out of ideas for loras to train. Any suggestions anons?
do you need people or actions?
If people do Jessica Biel and Jessica Chastain and Francesca Capaldi (there is no sdxl lora for her)

>>936116964
I second that, some fitness hotties

>>936116495
Link me a sadie lora and I will. The only link I found is on gofile and cannot be downloaded without a premium account I think?

gofile io/d/PlFv7T

>>936116901
>>936117004
this but unironically

i dont like kstew and not requesting her but i love how depraved this gen is. if anyone has anything similar please post? like just completely mindbroken cockdrunk or same level of depraved.

>>936116901
Mackenzie Davis. Having no LoRA of her drives me up the wall.

>>936116901
sophie thatcher

>>936116901
prewall emma watson would be peak as fuck

>>936117193
Margaret Thatcher

>>936117127
I do love Kstew and I second this

>>936117028
Given how 4chan is a glowie site, they know what you downloaded and mods/jannies give info to the feds. Now a days if you save CP that is registered in the system, they'll raid your house. Biggest collectors of CP: US Gov & 4chan mods

>>936116901
Ericka Bozeman aka BigBossBoze

>>936116901
1. Megsquats
2. Alexis Krauss
3. Michelle Trachenberg
4. Alyssa Milano
5. Mackenzie Davis
6. sophie thatcher

Alrighty, let's have a vote. I'll create the loras in that order.

>>936117248
it technically isnt but it's so fringe it's not work the knock knock open up

do people not even save shit or something? i swear. when i make requests im not even hoping for a genner to respond i just want anything of X girl. any time someone asks for someone and i have some stuff ill share a few reposts even if i only have one or two of a certain girl. do you guys just hate reposting that much?

ill literally ask something simple like "please post some anya" or something and not a single fucking response.

even asking for something like "anything in the style/model of pic rel" not even requesting individual girls but just like dall-e shit. no responses. even if people second it. is it purely to tear at the moral fiber of us lowly anons who cant local gen?

>>936116767
I don't have that

>>936116901
Sadie Mckenna

>>936117311
cont.
i hate sounding so ungrateful but holy shit ive been asking benign requests for posts for like five hours and have barely gotten anyone posting jack shit. sorry for being a poorfag i guess. ive only been hanging out in these threads for three days but i think im ADHD because im already burnt the fuck out. was chill but now i just feel like all hope is lost and im screaming into the void.

>>936115216
Old hag roastie swipe right in grief
No man wants your rotten roast beef.
Now go chug some booze
While I lay down the news:
Men want debt free virgins without tattoos.

>>936117282
Trachenberg already has a lora i think

>>936117282
Trachtenberg and Milano already have LoRAs.

>>936117397
>>936117417
Alrighty then, I'll do Megsquats for now

>>936117216
>>936117269
no to Margaret Thatcher

>>936117282
>Michelle Trachenberg
All day <3

>>936117282
X megsquats

>>936117481
wdym

>>936116901
ig @cristinysam

>>936117452
I love you like a brother. My left nut is in the mail

>>936117385
give me a list of gens you want the most then

>>936117332
>>936117300
>>936116804
>>936116737
>>936116468

these are all finely genned but where's the flair? the special sauce? dont care for charli or whoever this is but like i said with that kstew post, i dont even like her but the gen was just so hot i had to save it. lol and to think the other day i was being so snooty saying that im easy to please. im my own worst enemy. but damn i miss these threads 2-3 months ago. they were wild. now its just genners hyper focused on not messing up a single prompt and getting a sixth finger or floating hand at risk of being SHAMED by their peers. its fucking wack and lost its flavor now. its like smug assholes sniffing each others farts in that south park episode. im sorry for being a bitch. im a poorfag and genning celebs is now a status thing unfortunately. you cannot gen celebs without having a $1000+ dollar PC or paying some online service (idk if that second one even exists really but why would a poorfag like me look)

Any Laufey gens?

>>936117332
damm. i would like to see sydney sweeney get fuck by her

>>936117522
Okay, I'll do her after Megsquats
>>936117531
<3

>>936117282
none of the these please lol

>>936115946
>>936115749
>>936115586
Is this a lora or a prompt? Please advise.

>>936117601
I don't have that, best I can offer is more of her

More Abby Shapiro

>>936117588
like i said im not even desperate for gens im purely just asking people to repost other shit idk like literally "anything hairy" or just "nylon feet" sure those arent on the surface kinks but holy shit i feel like im just sitting here talkign to myself which i probably am. like shit i dont even know what kind of gens i want anymore cause i never expect any to ever get filled mostly because im weird and im not like obsessed with elle fanning or this >>936117300
7/10 zoomer. like i literally just said. anything with that aesthetic as pic rel. dall-e3? i think is the model? like that model was popping off last year. that's why im asking does simply nobody save shit because those were going crazy yet when i ask i get nothing. ive asked about those for a couple days now. i literally have found two in archives from the last month. thats why im asking for more. im doing due diligence and sifting for gold but its not as easy as simply ask and receive ofc. sorry for venting. but holy shit these threads are not like what they were last year.

>>936117282
Michelle T, just has to be

>>936117590
lmao, I started genning today for the first time. (Charli). On my 10 year old shitty computer...

>>936116901
alissaofficial_

requesting some new sexy Luality gens

if possible, long socks, small corset on her stomach, but still showing boobs

spreading on her back, showing pussy
another one where a dick is in her, so someone can animate it like shes getting fucked
same with sucking dick

Also would love more of Karen and Ashoka Asian girl from last thread.
If possible some of Luality in a pajama like Karen in this photo. Spreading and showing pussy also.
>>936116697


what a great fucking sunday, woke up to some amazing gens in last thread

>>936117843
im on a 2008 dell homie... we are not the same...

>>936115901

face missed. Looks like Bill Hader from SNL

>>936117509
more charli please

>>936117888
super hot asian girl

>>936117686
nice and thanks. i get the sense that she wants to fuck sydney sweeney but hates her at same time

>>936116735
kek

>>936117933
"He"
stop the fucking delusion

>>936117843
cont.
and im sure that "shitty" pc was worth a pretty penny when you got it. dont try to act like we'll see eye to eye. your "shitty" would change my life. ive been stuck using 15+ year old tech my entire life. never had a console more powerful than a PS3/360. never had a PC that could run even Fallout 4 above 20fps. sorry im not trying to guilt trip you just think about shit.

>>936116901
Lights Poxleitner! So underrated

>>936116901
nikocado avocado laura, please
this thread needs the avocado laura

Emiru pls

>>936118023
Oh shit, didnt have that one. Thanks fren

>sir, do you have any idea what you're doing with these prompts?
>nope, no fucking clue.
>carry on then

>>936117790
civai removed all celeb stuff, which caused all the important stuff people use to gen to go deep underground. then 4chan got hacked and everyone left. and then recently, celeb gens have been made effectively illegal in the U.S., hence the thread title changing from "celeb ai" to "ai parody". what's left is a handful of shills spamming bbc and celebs no one gives a fuck about, and they post here just to fuck with the thread. literally anyone who posts a good gen in this thread will immediately be accused of being a pedo and spammed with stupid shit, which drove away the last remaining good genners. i do remember those hypersaturated night club style nudes, and the good threads from before, but things are fucked now.

>>936118084
here anon since i actually saved some shit from the last thread and im not too haughty to share. unless you were here last thread then im just wasting time. oh the thread's still up you can find a decent handful there.
>>936108233

>>936117843
>my 10 year old

only this part of your post caught my eye

>>936118247
same. i'm on a 1070 and can't seem to load any models over SD 1.5, dogshit compared to these gens

>>936118084
>didnt have that one

twas my OC. Glad it was relevant to your interests.

>>936118212
Shut up ryangreta

join the group or die

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348c130b1ca0e6d56e8b4aa2c
4961aa9ec19c868

>>936118214
I only saved that pic, I went away for a bit

>>936118156
hot and creepy at the same time.She kind of looks like Lindsey Pelas

>>936118333
would you please stop calling me greta, and no, that was not my post, troll.

this kind of pussy could bring world peace

>>936118212
im aware of the situations and how they suck. ive been lurking in these threads for weeks, months even. i only started posting recently mostly just to promote more abbyposting after my HDD died but now ive gotten enough to satisfy my appetite for the time being and am interested in other gens which there hardly are any very interesting. the same flat standard realism with nothing insanely interesting happening. like its fucking AI you can make ANYTHING reality like sabrina carpenter on a fucking cloud in some futuristic bikini shit.

i really dont think the US is enforcing that shit like widespread or at all. the only gots ive heard about are from one guy (machinesomethng? idr) getting nabbed for specifically selling celeb AI. that's illegal even if they arent nude. that's using someone's likeness for commercial gain. fraud would be the charge. not for genning. also if it was truly verboten 4chan should be slamming these threads shut left and right.
the bbc psyop trolling spam is only like once or twice a day and it usually ceases quickly if people simply ignore it and carry on at a nonchalant pace. but you're right about celebs that are incredibly meh like maisie. so much maisie. basically every fucking thread maisie. i mostly only see the pedo accusations for the jenna posters which i dont care one way or the other as she's very meh regardless.

but yeah the best genners pop in for like 20-30 minutes then bounce.

>>936117954
yeah, don't censor people.

>>936115360
with a therizinosaurus if you will, otherwise what is even the point of ai

>These threads will never die
they said.....

>>936118426
Lol, is that good or bad?

>>936118530
more Selena

Well it's not exactly that DALL-E esthetic everyone was so nuts about but I tried.

>>936118677
It's a good thing. now i want Lindsey Pelas as else in porn parody

>>936116901
Isabella Merced

>>936118669
ive seen two get axed before img limit in the past 24 hours and not get replaced for at least a good 30~. the first was because of someone schneider posting but the second was one before last and no reason why.

>>936118711
nice af

>>936116495

>>936117605
Nice! Tysm! Will you be posting it here?

One more for good measure, it's fun torturing SD with having to produce all these colors.

>>936118723
>>936118371
wow basically the same exact fucking image twice way to go anon. great contribution.

>>936118480
who is this please

>>936118746
if ai ever becomes sentient, the collective mass of human retardation flooding its synapses 24/7 will kill it

>>936118746
super coooool
can you make her glow with neon teal/blue instead of green?

>>936118762
>repost
no gen no opinion?

>>936118711
youd think AI being the way it is someone could just train a new model off of the dall-e gens that exist...? maybe im out of my element but idk why it couldnt be replaced.

>>936116901
Please do Ming Na

>>936116597
>>936117332
>>936117686
>>936118480

Real talk

How is there not a single Blaire White gen?

>>936118810
better to repost than no post
these reposts are better than half the fresh shit in this thread.

>>936118867
>>936118852
>>936118789
>>936118762
>>936118746
Not celebs

>>936115523
Damn that's quality

>>936118867
cont.
not saying theyre BAD gens. they're perfectly respectable gens. if you like drinking room temperature water and three slices of untoasted bread for a meal.

>>936118432
Need Moar Milly, so much more

>>936115980
god damn, what checkpoint are you using?

>>936118817
Yeah nah, that's not how that works. The problem is replicating both the architecture and the training set. You can't train on generated images (or rather you shouldn't) because of the quality loss. Basically it's only going to get worse -- as models get bigger, they'll be monopolized by the big tech companies that can run them, censored to fuck, and offered at a premium. This is a brief and happy period in time where we can still crap out this stuff locally.

>>936117389
Pedo

>>936117557
Fucking hell, by all that is good and holy, please, more. And also, thank you. Fantastic.

>>936118818
second.

>>936118867
wow, i'm impressed with your facedetailer, but it's not yours

>>936118963
i want a story that leads up to this lol

>>936118928
>heckin zomg a naked female woman??? how did this happen??

>>936118744
And also this, holy shit. Just crazy great. Desperate for more.

>>936118807
I tried. I think I'm running into the limits of what I can do without a dedicated lora.

Bell Dolphin big blk coke

>>936118958
Nipples a little bigger and I'll nut to it over and over

>>936119064
this looks really dope. thank you.

>>936119064
Not a celeb pedo

>>936119108
not a pedo, celeb

>>936118893
Amazing gen

>>936118987
this is what i mean by these threads have become pissing contests. nobody cares about the content of the gens, purely the quality and if you fit in with this rarefied air. huffing each other's farts. the same energy of financially stable 40 year old men comparing ways theyre going through their midlife crisis.

>>936119064
dont tire yourself out. simply post elle fanning lying on a bed naked 3x in very slightly different poses and get all the updoots.
this is about to do numbers

>>936117667
This is great! Keep'em coming please!

>>936119172
Not a celeb

>>936119172
Elle feet

>>936119197
Kys pedo

>>936119172
a good elle gen is a good elle gen

>>936119024
Just read the news

>>936119197
Repost or did u gen

>>936118893
Jesus, those are heavenly!

>>936119172
Yeah, I know what the audience is here for, but there are already lots of suppliers for that demand, so I can do other stuff.

This is all people using second-hand stolen stuff to produce third-hand stolen stuff anyway, I see no reason to get worked up about it. I'm not delusional enough to think I'm some kind of artist. I can't draw for shit in fact, that's why it's great this technology exists. :P

>>936119064
what kind of prompts deliver those results with the neon / body paint / nightclub look? I've tried and haven't gotten close to it

>>936119172
More!! Or Ariana will suffer

>>936119277
repost, ami/bro/

Whatever happened to xochitl anon

>>936119300
The prompt I used was, uh, "score_9, score_8_up, score_7_up, 1girl, solo, night club, purple neon aesthetic, super saturated, rave, yellow star swirls, sharp lighting, nude, smooth pussy, blue and teal swirls body paint, focus on face, smoky atmosphere, UV darklight", using BigLustyDonutMix as a base. No science behind this, just throwing shit against the wall to see what sticks.

>>936118893
Can you remove the dress and have her full nude??

>>936119231
B-B-B-B-BUT IT S A REPOST
i know its a good gen that's why i saved it despite the pick of a like uninteresting piss hair colored C-list celeb. i thought that was the point?
turning a celeb into porn for the masses. like that lewd kstew gen i reposted. dont care for her but the gen was too hot to not save.

not counting the tranny dicks or that nikacado dick this post is like the 3rd dick posted in the thread and the thread is almost at limit.

>>936119484
Pedo

>>936116901

When you have time, I'd like to see prime:

Shannon Elizabeth
Catherine Zeta-Jones
Natalia Poklonskaya
Angelina Jolie
Elizabeth Hurley
Paris Hilton
Roselyn Sanchez
Kate Beckinsale
Elisha Cuthbert
Famke Janssen
Jodie Foster
Lena Headey

More Stephanie Joosten and Alanah Pearce would always be nice

>>936119484
Allah heard my prayers

>>936119460
you are right. like the blur of the fast handjob in this one

>>936119354
overdosed on Tchipotl

>>936119336
OMG

>>936119401
Another thing to add is that I'm not using DMD2 for these base images, as more often than not I have intricate prompts that DMD2 will happily mostly ignore. I just tried it with DMD and yeah, you get nothing close to this compared to 30-step Euler.

>>936119424
>>936119558
megafaggot

any new Luality? :(

>>936119580
very nicely done gen but fucking yawn taste

there's been like zero cum this entire thread.

***THIS IS A REPOST***

>>936119580
more of this please

>>936119401
>>936119563
Thank you!

That might explain it, I use the DMD2 lora out of habit for the added realism, but might have to branch for fun concepts like yours. Thank you for the prompt example!

>>936119627
that's really getting you going?
do you also watch paint dry for fun?

im not even going to bake if this is the shit youre posting. playboy would be more interesting.

>>936119678
I use 30-step for the base and then an 8-step DMD for the upscale, which is nearly the best of both worlds. I say nearly because DMD can still erase a lot of detail from the original image if you're unlucky, but it works surprisingly well most of the time and saves on a bunch of detailing when it does.

>>936119813
>>936119727
slow day ah?
not getting enough attention on the other threads ?

congrats niggers this was probably the first thread in a while where i saved literally nothing.

does seeing penises scare you guys or something?

>>936119803
oh fuck yeah i love pam

>>936119737
were not all here to goon
some of us just appreciate the female form
don't need to constanly see jizz soaked faces

>>936119920
>translation: i have reddit gold

>>936119889
Seeing that fat old lady scares me

>>936119942
no
If your genning hardcore all the time it becomes stale very quick, you can only have so many faps in a day

>>936119737
Nice wan gen too bad it's done with shit settings.

i regret baking this thread. you milquetoast moralfags can bake your own consarnit bread.

>>936120002
ive been at it for over 24 hours. skill issue.

>>936120004
not mine but i will say it will only get better.

>>936118944
This. We are currently in the good old times,we will soon fondly remember.

>>936118744
>>936115946
What's the lora?

>>936120044
based af

Anyone ever put in your negative prompts as the primary just to see the bizarre shit it creates?

>>936120177
I don't use negative prompts at all because they almost never work.

bless mods for removal

fart?

>>936120220
>lamp
>(lamp:1.2)
>(lamp:1.5)
>I DON'T WANT NO GODDAMN LAMP!

>>936120131
>>936120187

damn that's creamy

we have to endure this 1/5 star thread for 20 more images...

>>936119354
all those troll posters was the same guy, he died in the air india crash

>>936119255
what i post to read? lol

>>936120413
jlaw is always a delight

how many more shitty gens of this ugly fat whale is he going to post?

>>936120428
she's aight. just a decent gen to repost.

>>936120187
i love how she looks down at the puddle lmao
can you make one of luality like this?

>>936120447
better then any bbc post

>>936114868
Oh fuck yeah !
So good

>>936119580
how about J-law with amandla stenberg

NON-GENNERS PLEASE DON'T REPLY TO ME!!!!!!

>>936120455
Sorry buddy, no more vid gens today.

>>936120344
Prompt for that please? Also moar

>>936120517
okay i wont

>>936119797
yeah? and?

>>936119797
Remember hate leads to the darkside

>>936120517
Hot

>>936120551
im just a worthless reposting nigger but i got two more.

>>936120187
>>936120343
Mmmm, creamiru...

Anymore Selena Gomez

new thread

>>936120699
>>936120699
>>936120699

>>936120636
>>936120605
>>936120605
who's that?

>>936120731
>thread hasn't finished
>you fucked up the link to the previous.

OK, last one for now, don't want to do it do death.

>>936120781

feel free to stay here :)

>>936120749
idk. just a fictional character. not any real persons posted in this thread. only works of fiction.

>>936120781
its what the bland moralfag genners get for posting basically softcore making these threads feel like stuck in traffic. ive made like 80% of threads of the last three days. including this one.
(ive made the same mistake too though)

>>936120543
:(

>>936120517
i feel like genners would talk to you far less, since they can already gen

>>936120950
yeah it reeks of haughty condescending redditor

genners ignoring all requests in the thread are what's going to kill these threads. like i said its just smug assholes huffing each others fumes. too superior to with the common rabble.

>>936120490
>amandla stenberg
i dont have a lora for her

>>936121026
Well i can see genners wanting to share what they learned, but beyond that.

Being people that we are. I can see genners wanting to be praised or acknoledged for their fine ass titty gens

cuz if makes you feel good.
cuz if i could gen, i would feel good about making shit people liked also. its natural feeling

we are SYMBIOTIC WITH EACH OTHER lmao

>>936121083
i saved literally zero images this thread. i dont think i saw a single request that wasnt borderline softcore fulfilled except me posting old shit i have saved. AI is so powerful and people are using it to make nudes they can show their grandma without offending her.

>>936119436
Bad, bad girl

>>936121182
well some days are better than others

>>936120891
OK, won't gen her then.

>>936121498
i don't understand why people don't understand that art is art

>>936121783
well do you understand, not everyone likes the same art lmao

>>936116901
Lindsey shaw

>>936120336
wow. other actresses like this pleas. jlaw perhaps?