why are you so scared of Communism?

>>936252162 (OP)
The CIA told me to be.

No one is. It's a lousy system though.

>>936252162 (OP)
Why must you post this again?

>>936252162 (OP)
100 million dead people would like a word with you

>>936252162 (OP)
It's not Communism I'm afraid of, it's human nature. Communism only works in a perfect world in which everyone wants to cooperate equally.

>>936252162 (OP)
Because it's authoritarian and genocidal. Here's a case study:

Under Stalin's Soviet system, the state had eliminated private property and made the population entirely dependent on government-controlled food distribution and employment. Peasants couldn't own land or sell their produce independently - everything flowed through state channels.

When Ukrainian peasants resisted collectivization policies, Stalin weaponized this total dependency. The government confiscated grain, blocked food supplies, and prevented people from leaving affected areas. Because the population had no independent assets or alternative means of survival, they were completely vulnerable to state coercion.

The tragedy illustrates shows what becomes possible when a population lacks independent economic resources. The peasants couldn't fall back on privately owned assets, couldn't access alternative markets, and couldn't escape the government's control over their survival. Their complete economic dependency gave Stalin the power to use starvation as a tool of political control.

>>936252512
Even more historical examples:

The Roman government provided free grain to hundreds of thousands of citizens in Rome. While this began as a practical solution to urban unrest, it created a population dependent on state largesse. When political rivals competed for power, they could threaten these distributions to maintain control. Citizens who relied entirely on government grain became politically vulnerable because opposing the ruling faction meant risking starvation. Those with independent farms or businesses outside the city maintained more autonomy.

Venezuela under Hugo Chávez and Nicolás Maduro provides another case study. Chávez systematically dismantled private industry and created massive government employment programs and social missions. Millions became dependent on government jobs, subsidized food, and social programs. When opposition movements emerged, the government could threaten these benefits. People feared losing their government jobs or access to subsidized goods if they opposed the regime. This dependency helped maintain political control even as the economy collapsed, because the alternative to compliance was immediate hardship.

The most extreme example is when the Khmer Rouge eliminated all private property, money, and markets. Every aspect of economic life flowed through the state. People couldn't even forage for food independently without permission. This total economic dependency allowed the regime to implement radical policies because survival itself required absolute compliance. No one could maintain independence through private assets or alternative economic relationships. The result was one of history's most complete forms of social control.

>>936252162 (OP)
You are. You're upset that young people discuss it in college.

You hate college too because that means a black person might get an education.

>>936252638
You depend on Trump giving tax cuts to fat billionaires though

>>936252294
But right wing chuds want to stop any attempts at collectivism.

>>936252794
You mean giving people back their own money that they earned independently?

The soviets funded the genocide of whites in Rhodesia.

Never forget that.

They will always be the enemy.

>>936252162 (OP)
>why are you so scared of Communism?

Because I live in a country of 350,000,000 people and not all of them care about each other... and I don't expect them to, as I should not have to be accountable to them either. I work as hard as I want, and get paid what I deserve and keep it.

Communism sounds decent in theory, but only in small quantities, where you're only dealing with 50 to 100 people on a farm in the middle of nowhere, who are all in agreement on how to run their commune... but to expect millions to tow the line? Impossible.

The only fear knowing by what form of righteous power would be used to herd 350,000,000 into Communism.

>>936252865
Then I'm sure you won't mind if we implement a tough progressive income tax policy so they pay their fair share
>they earned independently?

Nah, rich fucks benefit from govt subsidies all the time

>>936253052
Knowing that if we all did a bit of work, we could keep things running and live like billionaires

it is not my actions i worry about but your judgement.

>>936253096
Owning an asset and taking capital gains from it is making money independently.

>govt subsidies
simply means the government is a customer, all businesses have customers

"If the prince demands more than the public good requires, it will no longer be a tax but rather a robbery" - Thomas Aquinas (Summa Theologica, II-II, q. 104, a. 6, ad 3).

>>936252162 (OP)
i'm not.

i'm scared of Americans, who have no idea what communism, or socialism are, and equate the two constantly.

>>936253256
> the government is a customer,
No it doesn't. It means Mr. Moneybags took free gibs he could have used his own fortune to pay for.

>>936252856
Exactly. Their puppet masters have them trained pretty well to perpetuate that division narrative. Couldn't get away as much evil if people paid attention to you

>>936253256
>Thomas Aquinas
oh right, the homophobe who came up with "Crimes against Nature"

lololol

lolololol

>>936252162 (OP)
Modern "communists" are faggots who just want free shit

>>936253423
But you're gay and you don't have any money lol

>>936253385
When British communist Harry Whyte wrote to Stalin in 1934 questioning the criminalization of homosexuality, Stalin's response was brief and dismissive: "An idiot and a degenerate."

The Soviet writer Maxim Gorky made one of the most notorious statements in an article titled "Proletarian Humanism" published in Pravda on May 23, 1934. Gorky wrote: "There is already a sarcastic saying: Destroy homosexuality and fascism will disappear."

In the same article, Gorky wrote: "In the land where the proletariat governs courageously [muzhestvenno; also translated as manfully] and successfully, homosexuality, with its corrupting effect on the young, is considered a social crime punishable under the law."

There can be little doubt that, as far as they thought of the matter at all, Marx and Engels were personally homophobic, as shown by an acerbic 1869 exchange of letter on Jean Baptista von Schweitzer, a German socialist rival. Schweitzer had been arrested in a park on a morals charge and not only did Marx and Engels refuse to join a committee defending him, they resorted to the cheapest form of bathroom humor in their private comments about the affair.

According to historical estimates, "800 to 1,000 men were imprisoned each year under Article 121" during the Soviet era, with thousands of LGBTQ+ people perishing in the gulag system

>>936253621
Stalinism was a military dictatorship anon.
Marx and Engels were personally homophobic
>Doesn't matter. Their ideology applied to everyone living in society.

>>936253762
You're OK with Trump turning us into a right wing 3rd world country though

>guaranteed replies

>>936253762
Doesn't matter if they hate gays if their goal is the genocide of white people.

>>936253841
I love how extremists assume everyone else is an extremist.

>>936252162 (OP)
i'm not afraid, it just seems so unreal and unlikely to me

>>936254378
Then denounce Trump and demand he be imprisoned for his crimes. Then we can talk about the dead Communists living rent free.

Oh wait you can't do that lol.

>>936252162 (OP)
The usual reasons; don’t want to be robbed or murdered or enslaved.

>>936254844
If we evolve towards communism as a society it isn't scary or unlikely.

Fascists trying to implement their feudalism is what's scary.

>>936254930
Trump's doing that now tho

>>936254958
Fascism is a lot less scary than communism.

>>936254981
Not really.

>>936254996
No it isn't. You keep thinking communism =Stalinist bullshit

>>936254930
Isn't that more likely in a capitalist country?
No-one's going to kill you for your stuff if they can just get similar stuff for free.

Any political ideology that is anti-white is an ideology of evil.

>>936255078
Every version of communism has been terrible from Russia to China to Cuba to Venezuela.

>>936255031
Yes he is
he's robbing the Treasury to give money to billionaires
he wants people to die who are on Medicare
and he's ok with a Project 2025 style of feudalism.

>>936255115
They were all military dictatorships anon.

Funny how you have no problem with Trump doing that.

>>936255090
No, all communist systems involved stealing people’s shit, at least initially.

>>936255188
Trump isn’t a dictator so it’s not an issue.

>>936255090
Elon Musk's family killed people for diamonds

>>936252162 (OP)
I wasn’t until the GOP let Gingrich drive it so far right it then kept going over the fucking cliff. Now we’re going to need the left to go all the way left to even out the damage. We already have an authoritarian gov, so the bad part of the old communist regimes is already here, we’re just not getting the economic safety net even though we’re paying for it, far more than paying for it.

F it, I’m running. Communismjism 2026.

>>936255254
It won't be. But that's what he wants.

>>936252162 (OP)
Lol how many more deaths will it take for you to realize communism is a failed ideology ? From Pol Pots killing fields, to Stalin's gulags, to Maos "Great Leap Forward". Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

>>936255454
Actually we need to start becoming more collective as a society because of climate change and shrinking resources, so you better start thinking about it as a goal more than just cigar chomping dictators wearing fatigues.

>>936252162 (OP)
Because there isn't a single instance in which it's worked.
>inb4 not REAL communism

>>936255533
A collective society is only successful small scale. It falls apart anything greater than the size of Estonia

>>936255533
All that is true but the solution is not communism, a failed system from the 20th century.

>>936255604
It wasn't. Why were there poor people in China, Russia, Cambodia, North Korea, etc?

That wasn't communism it was a cult of personality like Trump.

>>936252162 (OP)
I’m not, I am an American capitalist. I pretend that communism is a great evil while my own economy relies entirely on communism countries to produce it’s goods, which we noble capitalists can then skim off the top of, and pretend for a while that there’s no downside to the real value being neither created nor retained on the capitalist side of our system. Surely we can continue like this forever and we are totally not seeing any fucking volatility or degradation in our economic mobility or societal strata because of it. Everyone is fucking happy and content and doing great and we don’t have any fucking problems at all with our system. God save the capitalists. Once someone please think of the poor billionaires. Now where can we deport 2/3 of our population to who are already functionally poor because Ai is about to wipe out the livelihoods of the rest.

>>936255627
The solution is to implement aspects of both socialism and communism to our western capitalist system until that system becomes obsolete.

>>936255620
We have the Internet now which makes society a lot bigger.

>>936255676
I would say the solution is eco fascism but that’s just me.

>>936255604
>hay guise check out my no true Scotsman fallacy, bet you’ve never seen one this nice before

>>936255651

>>936255714
the problem is anything that undistilled breeds demagogues who subvert the movement.

We need strong laws with teeth to address climate change and labor issues.

>>936255374
For capitalism.
That's what I said.

>>936255763
Nice. Post the rest of your tranny folder now chud. Shit up the thread you're so upset

>>936252162 (OP)
The first thing the communists do when they seize power is take guns out of the peoples hands. That way, they can't revolt and must submit to the government.

>>936255768
Just chiming in. Capitalism has killed far more people throughout history than Stalin or Mao.

>>936255818
Lol that is the most retarded thing I've ever heard in my life

>>936255818
I don’t think that’s true.

>>936255797
>they can't revolt and must submit to the government.
Funny how you don't complain when Trump demands that

>>936255797
Because guns and capitalism are really working out for the Poor Whites in America.

>>936255848
Do the math:

Capitalism predates communism by hundreds of years. Owners killed workers who wouldn't bow to their system.

>>936255871
Lol Trump isn't forcing people to give up their arms, retard

>>936255926
Trump demands fealty to his government.
And he's gone on record saying he would take away guns and "justify" it later.
You really have to stop defending him anon lol

The more I argued with them, the better I came to know their dialectic. First they counted on the stupidity of their adversary, and then, when there was no other way out, they themselves simply played stupid. If all this didn't help, they pretended not to understand, or, if challenged, they changed the subject in a hurry, quoted platitudes which, if you accepted them, they immediately related to entirely different matters, and then, if again attacked, gave ground and pretended not to know exactly what you were talking about. Whenever you tried to attack one of these apostles, your hand closed on a jelly-like slime which divided up and poured through your fingers, but in the next moment collected again. But if you really struck one of these fellows so telling a blow that, observed by the audience, he couldn't help but agree, and if you believed that this had taken you at least one step forward, your amazement was great the next day. The capitalist had not the slightest recollection of the day before, he rattled off his same old nonsense as though nothing at all had happened, and, if indignantly challenged, affected amazement; he couldn't remember a thing, except that he had proved the correctness of his assertions the previous day. Sometimes I stood there thunderstruck. I didn't know what to be more amazed at: the agility of their tongues or their virtuosity at lying. Gradually I began to hate them.

>>936255830
"bankers" is an antisemitic dogwhistle though

>>936255818
Mass starvation in a communist country is a tragedy.
But in a capitalist one, it's business as usual.
They should've just pulled up their bootstraps if they didn't want to starve.

>>936255651
>>936255725
Cool story, bros. Maybe move to China or North Korea.

>>936252893
Talk about cherrypicked. Got any picks under 20 years old on the left? Mostly propaganda photos and not average life.

>>936256024
Just correcting your bad info Boomer
In a communist society there would be no poor people

>>936255676
That’s what we’ve done since the 1930s. We just have a lot of Ideological cunts easily herded by groupthink and political tribalism, who will waste your time trying to convince you of the superiority of their utopian fantasy. At best our system allows for messy negotiation between all interested parties to achieve the things that the filthy capitalist pigs want to take from the country, and the things the hippie pinko commies want to provide for the country that the capitalist oinkers fail to. That’s how countries have volatile dynamic economies but also cheap energy and militaries and food and access to fucking doctors*.

*obviously not the United States yet bc they’re stuck in the 1800s but they’ll get there once that culture finishes fully collapsing there like it did everywhere else.

>>936256053
Nice fairy tale, bro.

>>936256024
Well at least you tried, even if your little rocket didn’t make it off the launchpad before you hit the self destruct button.

>>936256087
Why were there poor people in those countries if they "really" practiced communism Boomer?

>>936252162 (OP)
fear?

>>936256156
>>936256327
Grow up, children.

>>936252162 (OP)
because it's a system specifically designed to maximise the security, anonymity and influence of the jews who invented it

>>936256632
>It's the jooz

>>936256515
Answer the question fatty.

Communism=no poor people

why were there poor people in communist countries if they "really" practiced communism?

You don't know, do you?

>>936252294
Not like capitalism right? We always have a mother excuse ready to go for why capitalism deserves another chance after it plunges the population into poverty and death and bankrupts countries. We just have to accept that capitalism just has, you know volatility inherent in the system.

Communism though, only looks good on paper, see, in the real world people are greedy and would um corrupt the system with their capitalist tendencies , and you know, you could never imagine a country setting up a system to counter that behavior, so you have to just have a system where poverty is built in for a large enough percentage of the population that some percentage are always starving to death and the rest see them and are terrified into showing up at their workstations and performing the labor that generates the Real Value that makes capital flow uphill to the owner class, who then use their wealth to buy influence in political decision making process. It’s only corruption if communists do , see, bc they try to avoid it, whereas, it’s not corruption when we do it, bc we’ve passed laws making it perfectly legal since it’s built right into our ideology.

Culture of fucking morons wondering why their 18th century agrarian governmental system seems to not be working in 2025 while the Commies in China used your own economic tools against you to Hoover up all your low and high tech industry, education & scientific progress. lol USA wanted to return to when it thinks it was Great in the 1700s, so now it will. Good job dumbasses.

>>936256632
You're thinking of capitalism.

>>936252162 (OP)
Because I'm selfish and I don't want to share my resources with poor people.
No everyone is equal. A lot of poor people are dumb, lazy, and dirty. I don't want them anywhere near my life or be near theirs.
Is it fair?
Of course not.
Is it just?
I think so. Poverty has never been a simple issue and I'm all for alleviating it.
But not at the expense of my own comfort and privilege. It's not evil it's just reality. If you want a better life then help yourself first.

>>936256632
Christians invented it in the Levellers movement, literally leveling the hierarchy to a flat one, as a counter to the grotesque abuses and unnatural poverty enforced by tyrannical kings and the evils of the power & wealth obsessed. Successive kings repeatedly massacred them in their farms, but were unable to prevent the idea from spreading.

You chose to side with evil and tyranny because the unbroken line of British authority telling you to.

You are a sucker and a pawn, and n the communication age, you are doomed to be defeated in time.

>>936256718
Because communism is a fairy tale that only works if everyone is dumb enough to believe it. It has failed, miserably, in every instance that it was used. Why? Human nature. So you can cry into your cum sock about how much better things would be if we were all communist, but the fact is the matter is The Red Famine happened. Pol Pot happened. Mao Ze Dong happened. Stalin happened. Your made up utopian system can not exist.

>>936256918
> I'm selfish and I don't want to share
This creates the poor people that you wish didn’t exist & don’t want to share with.

>>936257032
I disagree because poverty is a very complex socioeconomic, psychological, financial, systemic, and political issue.
Glazing over all that nuance with Marx is intellectually lazy. If you gave homes to certain homeless people they would just wind right back onto the street.
A lot of these issues are multigenerational and unconscious. I don't find other people determining how rewards are divulged a tenable solution.
I do believe that regulation is a thing and that capitalism can be checked when its power overshadows civic liability and institutional integrity.
But to say that the deterioration of the systems are solely caused by privatized economies is an ideological argument.

>>936257016
>here’s everything I was told about communism
Good for you, now whatever you do, never read history or economics, and just go on imagining that authoritarianism and economic collapse are unique to Communism, and not nor have ever been a problem with capitalism or republics.

Ignorance is bliss, consume product and worship right wing Jesus anon.

>>936252162 (OP)
I feel like labor being socialized is sort of inevitable.
Especially as cost of living continues to outpace wages.
I don't know if what we'll see is communism but it's obviously unsustainable from a growth standpoint.

>>936257213
>THAT NEVER HAPPENED! IT WASNT REAL COMMUNISM!!!! WHAT ABOUT...
Western "communists" have become parodies of themselves

>>936257150
Nigga your entire economy is about to lay off 4/5 of its workers in the next few years. You had better start putting more thought into economics than the old Cold War ideologies we were still being fed in school.

>>936257411
Literally not my problem.

>>936257386
>wurdz iz hard
Nigur either you replied to the wrong post or try reading that again.

>>936257451
It is, bc if your economic model only works for 1/5 of hundreds of millions of people, it’s a failed model, and even i those who think they’re going to be safe in the 1/5, the other 4/5 are absolutely going to come for you and make it your problem.

>>936257451
You have a war with Iran to deal with.

>>936252162 (OP)
>Communism has killed up to a hundred million people
>why are you so scared of Communism?
Gee it's a big mystery isn't it?

>>936257605
It won't happen because the 4/5 is too busy arguing about culture wars and are working so much they no energy or solidarity.
Look at how much the average quality of life has declined for Americans over the last 5 years, and they still continue to vote against their interests.
I'm not worried at all.

>>936257644
I have no issue with imperialism because someone has to do it. I prefer Iran's regime crumble because it funds terrorist states that threaten national security.
Isreal is more of a proxy than an ally, Netanyahu just doesn't know it yet.

>>936257715
That wasn't real communism

>>936257715
how many people die from treatable diseases they can't afford to treat in a given year?

>>936257841
That data is only divulged to the shareholders citizen

>>936257764
>Le real communism has never been tried
Hahahaha are you trolling? Is real communism the hilarious joke that chop was in Seattle? A bunch of hippies, trannies and a nigger warlord rapping and murdering each other?

>>936257922
China is communist and they're doing pretty well.

>>936257841
>Comparing dying of a disease to soldiers bashing a three year olds head against a tree because their parents received an education
You know nothing about communism zoomer dilate

>>936257922
That wasn't communism either
You fucking boomers don't even know the meaning of the fucking word

>>936257764

>>936258041
China has been turning more and more capitalist ever since Deng Xiaoping replaced Mao

>>936258041
China is not communist, it's a capitalist state with some socialist learnings just because the government calls itself communist doesn't mean it is it's state sanctioned gaslighting.

>>936257016
It failed miserably because it wasn't communism.

It was a military dictatorship
Something you want Trump to impose here

>>936258102
>Communism: an ideology so utopian and unrealistic that its impossible to achieve it in the real world

>>936258064
violence is violence nigga

>>936258102
You don't either. Marx was not non-violent he advocated a violent revolution to achieve a classless society. The brutality of the russian revolution and the great leap forward were exactly what marx had in mind.

>>936258194
Human avarice always wins in the end.

>>936258141
Yet it's still doing well

>>936258239
because it embraced capitalism

>>936258239
Probably because it embraced free market economics, china was a failed state before reforming it's economy.

>>936258267
But the socialism also compliments it.
Meanwhile America is declining

>>936258194
Communism failed in Russia because Europe attacked Russia after Lenin took over and destabilized it enough that a dictator like Stalin emerged

China also failed because the rest of the world turned against it and allowed for Mao to consolidate power

It failed in Cambodia because Pol Pot never intended to implement it

It failed in Vietnam because of the US invasion and sanctions

Communism and socialism failed in South America because of fruit companies

The fact is communism fails because it hurts Western economic interests

>>936257764
Pol Pot's Cambodia was as authentically communist as you can get. He went so far as to try and eradicate any form of elitism murdering people just because they went to school instead of being a dumb as fuck farmer.

>>936258227
no he didn't
Kerensky's government was taken without a shot
and land owners were very likely evil people who abused their workers
that's why they got executed

>>936258471
Donald Trump did say he loves the uneducated.

>>936258471
no it wasn't

why were there still peasants? Why weren't the

>>936258422
So communist countries are too weak to stand up to capitalist countries?

>>936258422
>Pol Pot never intended to implement it
Hahahaha dilate zoomer communism goes against basic human nature it's the fantasies of teenagers and those with the minds of children

>>936258524
you know he's going to get mad and say that was fake news

totally ignoring the point of the comment

>>936258556
They were then. The West spent all its resources trying to subjugate communist countries instead of working with the ideology.
Russia could have thrived after WWI if Europe had been on board with their plans.

>>936258543
>peasants
Because they were the proletariat dumbass they were the people pol pot fetishized

>>936258557
no it doesn't
collectivism is natural throughout history, particiular in indigenous societies anon

>>936258632
>Russia could have thrived after WWI if Europe had been on board with their plans.
The USSR sucked.
Russia just wanted Europe to be its satellite state that supported Leninism.
I'm glad if failed.

>>936258638
no they were poor because Pol Pot was a fraud who didn't implement the ideology he promised to

>>936258678
no they didn't
Russia overthrew their tyrant czar and Europe responded by attacking instead of coming to their aid and ensuring a stable government

>>936258685
They were poor because communism makes everyone poor

>>936258735
Trump wants to make 99% of this country poor

>>936252162 (OP)
I'm not it's literally the only way forward

>>936258727
Lol why would Europe help the Soviet Union when they already has superior governments?
Russians are delusional because they keep wanting to conquer their neighbors and expect allies from it.
It's never going to happen and Ukraine is another massive failure for another failed state.
This time a pseudo-fascist oligarchic one.

>>936252186
good boy

>>936258783
Because Russia was a fledgling government who overthrew an oppressive system anon. Europe saw that as a threat, and everyone paid for that decision.

>>936258735
You have no idea what you're talking about. It's lifted millions upon millions of people out of poverty, it's capitalism that makes the masses poor

>>936258783
Ukraine is a democracy though anon.
Russia is the fascist state that is threatened by it.

>>936258663
>indigenous societies
And we are a space aged industrial society I don't think the primitive lifestyle of stone age cultures will work anon.

>>936252162 (OP)
I'm not.

>>936258823
not him but both China and Russia retained systems of currency and poverty was not eradicated. Oligarchs controlled both countries.

It wasn't communism.

>>936258821
The French saw revolution as well but it turned out much better for them than contemporary Russia.
I don't feel sorry for Soviets at all.

>>936258848
Yeah it's almost like Russia's interests aren't allied with the West.

>>936258821
Just like the European monarchs responded with Napoleon and France, nothing ever changes

>>936258864
yeah well that's a goalpost move anon
you said collectivism isn't natural

>>936258898
Yeah more precisely social democracy in China and Venezuela lifted millions out of poverty. Capitalism with just a little bit of social idealism achieved a lot. Imagine what could be accomplished under communism

>>936258905
Buddy the French revolution ended with the European monarchs committing millions to die to stop the spread of republicanism

>>936258905
Not really. The nuts took over guillotining everyone and like over a hundred years later with Russia, Europe attacked France until they eventually had to put the King back on the throne. The revolution was quashed. France didn't get their shit together until the late 1960s.

>>936259006
I'm talking about contemporary France.
Wherase Russia still hasn't got its shit together.
And yes you're being compared to France that's how low the bar is.

>>936259007
See above.

>>936258953
not really
Russia and China were basically kleptocracies

Even in present day China they pay workers about half our minimum wage when there shouldn't even be a currency system.

>>936259053
France had 3 emperors after they toppled Louis XVI

>>936259053
The French revolution, which you referenced, is not contemporary France. You abandoned your position quick, I'm forced to accept your concession

>>936259064
Both are facts, such is the messy nature of developing the productive forces

>>936259108
Yes Anon I'm familiar with the restoration of the Bourbon monarchy.

>>936259114
Actually no because the premise stated,
>>936258905
>contemporary Russia.
Which has an implicit deduction of referring to governments in the 21st century.
If your lack of reading comprehension must be rationalized by imposed concession then whatever helps your ego is your business.
Btw Putin sucks and so does your government.

>>936259170
I dispute either country "lifted people out of poverty" anon. Both China and Russia remained 3rd world countries.

>>936259219
Oh man, sorry bud you're just plain wrong on those facts.

>>936259212
>No no no I meant Russia!!!

Anon this is embarrassing, it's time to call it a night

>>936252162 (OP)
I don't want to let my life be dictated by a lazy, bourgeois son of a lawyer and government councilor whose friend was a snobbish manufacturer’s son. From the rich throne, it's easy to shout down and command the common people on how they should behave and when they should feel comfortable.

>>936259283
Yes I am referring to your current government.
It's of poor quality, a result of unchecked oligarchy, and is spreading like a geopolitical cancer.
Same can be said of your Society experiment, and all the failed Tsars before that.
Russians suck at government and you know it. Time doesn't fix it because you're basically the niggers of Europe.
Cope.

>>936259285
That's why I also hate capitalism

>>936259350
Soviet experiment*

>>936259270
not really

why were there peasants in both China and Russia? Why wasn't every citizen living an equal productive standard of living?
Both were power trips where the leaders lost their shit completely. Mao should have been forced from power after 1959. Stalin was a sadistic nutcase. He did not lift anyone from poverty either, he killed them.

>>936259350
You are not serious about politics

>>936259398
Google is right there, anon
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poverty_in_China

>>936259418
Go back to the sharty slavboy.
You haven't earned your chops yet to be a proper /b/tard.
Btw Putin is your lord nigger and he sucks tranny cock.

>>936259457
Having a lower minimum wage than the US isn't "lifting people out of poverty" anon.

Why does China even have money? Where is that chapter in The Communist Manifesto?

>>936259513
either you are a leftcom retard, or a rightoid retard, not that it makes effectively a difference in the essence of you being a retarded person, but if the term birthmark rings a bell you could start to read and explore from there.
if it doesn't then why the fuck are you even talking shit if you don't know shit - you fucking retard

>>936259513
>chapters
>In the communist manifesto

Did you mean Kapital? Doesn't matter, i'm once again forced to accept your concession. You are, as Lenin would say, a clumsy polemicist

>>936259457
>With an GNI per capita of $10,610 in 2020,[15] China is an upper middle-income country

oh god that's so much money
I'M RICH

>>936259576
I read Bordiga (critically), this guy clearly isn't a communist

>>936259418
Slavboy slavboy
Nigger in the fields

>>936259582
real communism was not practiced in Russia or China anon
you're going to have to stop boomering out if you're going to last in here lol

>>936259582
And you are a useful idiot

>>936259576
Why can't you answer the question?
Why is China's minimum wage shit?
Why the fuck do they have one?
Why aren't jobs, houses, food, all provided?
They're a communist country, right?

>>936259656
That wasn't what we were debating. You disputed the easily verifiable fact that the Chinese government instituted policies that lifted millions out of poverty.

>>936259513
>communist manifesto
you are an actual child, how precious
https://www.marxists.org/subject/economy/authors/pe/pe-ch32.htm

>>936259645
This
But now they have nukes

>>936259723
they didn't though anon
Chinese people get paid shit to live like wagies or they languish in the rural areas

>>936259748
why do you have to throw up a wall of links instead of answering simple questions anon?

Why didn't communist countries abandon money completely?
A: Because the oligarchs were still in control

>>936259773

>>936259720
>can't
wont. because you are retarded and deeply unserious.
>shit
it's good - and actually improving through development, contrary to "your" economy.
>all provided
they are.
>communist country
you are so retarded. you can't see it, because you are retarded, but if you had a hint of it, i hope you would be able to feel just a fraction of the shame you should feel saying all this retarded shit.
also >>936259748

>>936259820
>wall of links

>1 link
>one text
>actual answer to the retarded persons question

it's really shameful that you screech being faced with a text responding to a question you asked.
as said, deeply unserious.
and very retarded.

>>936259827
that's pretty funny using pictures of commies to describe me when I'm arguing the opposite lol

lolololol

>>936259833
I'm completely serious. China doesn't practice communism anon. They never did.
>ree
>ree
>ree
cry harder lol

>>936259894

>>936259884
you haven't answered the question anon.

If China did indeed "lift people out of poverty" then why is it still a 3rd world country with a shit tier GDP?
Why is their minimum wage half the US's?

Why the fuck does a communist country even have a minimum wage?

>>936259954
another picture chuds like you use to mock commies

yet I'm harshly criticizing it. You're getting unhinged anon.

Why are reactionaries so fervently and shamelessly stupid

>>936259931
>practice communism
communism is a movement, not a state of being
china is moving
your thoughts clearly aren't, indoctrinated little retarded boy
>>936259990
it has been answered, you just refuse to read - as you are incapable, retarded little boy

>>936260015

>>936260044

you aren't a communist boomer

there has never been a single successful communist country. name a single country that is not capitalist or socialist that is better than the country you are currently in
>no china since they have a capitalist economy and engage in imperialism

>local retard thinks "The Manifesto" is theory

jesus christ rightoids are fucking dumb

>>936260099
> >>936260160

>>936260184
not a rightoid lol

trannies will never be women

Stalin killed more than Hitler and was the most unsuccessful leader in the world. Back then, people attempted to leave the USSR through Germany after seeing the westernized German side

Capitalism has survived longer than communism. Why is that, OP?

Provide evidence of Communism working and flourishing

>>936260269
rent free

>>936260292
because you either bow down to capitalism or you die anon
that's why it "worked"

>>936260306
Stalin would've had you lined up and shot btw

>>936260356
I know
he's your buddy

>>936260373

>>936252162 (OP)
Its the destruction of Christianity and the rise of satan. Who the fuck wants that.

>>936260411
Christianity was never really tried either. Humans are such fucking pussies.

Communist systems go against fundamental truths about how humans naturally organize themselves politically. The basic human need to have a say in decisions that affect your life gets completely crushed when one party controls everything. People naturally want some protection from those in power - that's why we developed things like courts, elections, and free speech over centuries of hard experience.

Communist systems eliminate all these protections. They put all economic and political power in the hands of the same small group of people. This creates exactly the kind of unchecked authority that humans have learned, through bitter experience, leads to abuse and oppression.

Humanity has gradually figured out better ways to organize society over time. By the 1700s and 1800s, we'd learned crucial lessons about separating powers, protecting individual rights, and allowing peaceful changes in leadership. These weren't just Western ideas - they were discoveries about what actually works for human beings everywhere.

Communist movements threw away all this accumulated wisdom. Instead of building on what we'd learned about preventing tyranny and protecting people's dignity, they started over from scratch with untested theories. This wasn't adapting universal principles to local conditions - it was rejecting proven insights about human political behavior.

The explanation for why communist countries consistently become authoritarian is simple: these systems can't survive honest competition with alternatives. If communist governance really worked better for people, communist leaders wouldn't need to ban opposition parties, control all information, build walls to keep people from leaving, and punish anyone who criticizes the system.

>>936260530
we got a r*ddut philosopher over here that thinks he's way more important than he actually is

>>936260411
schizo hours in here

>>936260530
>when one party
let me guess
like the Democrats?
Hillary?

>>936252162 (OP)
i don't believe communism is real

>>936260741
*birds

>>936260530
The elaborate surveillance states, propaganda machines, and punishment systems that every communist country develops reveal that these systems work against natural human instincts rather than with them. When people are free to choose, they consistently prefer systems that give them more say in their government and more control over their economic lives.

The economic disasters in communist countries - the empty store shelves, technological backwardness, and massive waste - happened because these systems suppressed natural human tendencies to innovate, trade freely, and work toward their own goals.

Communist revolutions systematically destroyed existing institutions instead of improving them. They wiped out legal systems, social organizations, and economic arrangements that had evolved over generations to help people cooperate and coordinate their activities.

This wasn't reform - it was starting over from zero while ignoring everything previous generations had learned about making society work. The rapid collapse of communist systems once people had a choice shows how shallow their roots really were. Unlike institutions that develop gradually and earn genuine popular support, communist institutions existed mainly through force.

Communists claimed to represent all working people everywhere, but their universalism was based on abstract theories rather than actual human experience. Instead of looking at what political arrangements actually helped people flourish throughout history, communist ideology deduced what people's interests "should be" from theories about economics.

This led communist governments to suppress religious practice, independent cultural life, and voluntary associations because these didn't fit their theoretical framework. Real universalism, based on natural law, recognizes that human flourishing takes many different forms and protects people's freedom to pursue their own vision of a good life.

>>936260885
>the empty store shelves
you'd just eat junk food anyway

>>936260885
Communists correctly identify real problems with existing systems. Economic inequality, worker exploitation, and concentrations of private power are genuine obstacles to human flourishing that democratic societies still struggle with.

But the communist solution - eliminating private property and competitive politics - makes things worse rather than better. Instead of throwing away the institutional protections that make peaceful progress possible, we should work on improving democratic institutions to address these legitimate concerns more effectively.

Rather than choosing between communist authoritarianism and accepting current problems with democratic systems, we should continue to evolve our institutions to better serve human needs. This means finding better ways to ensure economic opportunity, limit dangerous concentrations of power, and give people more real influence over their lives - while keeping the basic protections like independent courts, free speech, and competitive elections that prevent tyranny.

This evolutionary approach offers hope for addressing legitimate concerns about inequality and participation without abandoning the essential safeguards that protect human dignity and make genuine political progress possible.

Communist systems represent a wrong turn in humanity's political development - not an alternative path, but a deviation from the gradual discovery of what actually works for human beings. Their consistent pattern of authoritarianism, economic failure, and popular rejection when people have a choice shows they violate basic truths about human nature rather than expressing them in a different cultural form.

The answer to the real problems that motivate some people toward communist ideas isn't revolutionary destruction of proven institutions, but their continued improvement based on what we've learned about helping people live together successfully.

>>936261000

Curvy, confident, and craving some attention... sound fun? emyzeth

>>936252162 (OP)
Question is, why aren't you?
The idea is over 150 years old, but there are no successful models to show of it. Yet retreads like you keep trying to push for it.

>>936261000
>Communists correctly identify real problems with existing systems.
Relax, all they did was unionize on a national scale.

>>936263297
Communists love falling for their own oppressive regime's propaganda. They never recognize it, they just parrot it to outsiders word for word without asking themselves "who benefits from me thinking these things?"

>>936259350
No that would be the Romanians

>>936252207
This. Tried and failed. Only a few countries are left.

>>936259350
Stumbled across this one and figured was about America at first.