Thread 936265768

why is social media just so...bad? it was neat, but now i see more political spam (far more from the right than the left), and less and less authenticity, even though that's apparently what we want.

there's more money to be made through hate than love and algorithmically driven machines optimized to generate maximum profit run everything on the internet

>>936265872
so do you believe there is a way to stop it? return to a pre-social media internet?

>>936265768 (OP)
both sides are evvil
the media hypes what they want you to focus on
it's all hype and little substance
why do you pay it mind?
why do you give it your attention?
do you know how to utilize ad blocks and filters?
learn if you don't.

Your fortune: Better not tell you now

>>936266272
is there a right side?

>>936266210
can we return to a pre-social media way of life? or is this it?

>>936266979
let me say it this way
both "sides" are wings on the same bird driven by the same "head" (motives)
the only "side" you should choose is common sense, family, God, understanding, working towards peace, working towards your own goals (even if they are only goals of playing games and relaxing)
you should be on your own side
-
the media and government are not in line with life, dignity or hope
make your own choices, but don't be the fool following the pied piper to "a bad end"

>>936267187
can you please define media? TV/radio channels and newspapers or something else?

>>936267224
a group of propagandists utilizing many avenues of information in order to distort and "hype" messages meant to obfuscate and distort the truth and your mind in order to make you think and act certain ways which favor 'their' agendas

>>936267059
it's joever

>>936267292
how do i avoid them?

>>936267292
and why do you feel that way about media?

Social media was always bad, but the answer to your question is bots.

>>936267292
where do you recommend i go for information?

>>936267332
Nuclear weapons

>>936267332
that was too hastily typed, but the message is more or less accurate
you avoid them by devveloping filters in your mind or by ignoring them
they try to distort the truth in favor of an overarching global narrative meant to steer you to foolishness, falsehoods and ruination
tl;dr
just stop watching and listening to "official broadcasts" and most news in general
or use your mind to disccern fact from fiction
but i doubt you or anyone can do that well enough
pretty much assume everything you hear and read is a lie until proven otherwise
>>936267350
>feel
fuck you too lmao
count the lies nigger.
>>936267396
real life
independant sources
but then again, anything can be faked these days
trust nothing, because nothing is worthy of trust.
it's all too easily manipulated via edits and misinformation from """trustworthy official sources"""
reality

reality is the only source you can trust
as in your own eyes and ears in person, no screen

>>936267521
why must you call people names? that seriously detracts from your argument, i'm afraid.

but i'll give you one more chance: what if you're the one who is wrong? lying?

>>936267614
>t-that seriously detracts from your argument
faggot
lurk moar
do you know where you are?
media bitchass nioogger suck some logs and do a flip :D
if you cannot parse truth from my post despite my hostility and aggression towards you, you're a lost cause anyhow
>but i'll give you one more chance
dumbass
as though it works that way
gtfo if you don't wan tto be here
no one asked you to come in the first place
>what if you're the one who is wrong? lying?
how would i be wrong or lying when the media provably lies and manipulates people?
go search
lurk the internet
are you new?
I mean, how can you be so ignorant of the world, yet you're here of all places?
it makes no sense
are you some fuckwad journo trying to make a name for herself?
fuck off.

>>936267740
i'm actually a sports commentator and photographer just trying to see another perspective on things.

i just want to keep things civil.

>>936267740
and it does seriously concern me that you cannot seem to make arguments without name-calling. that will not help your cause in any way, i'm afraid.

>>936267811 dubs
well, that's not how things work here
you're too fragile, or you give that vie off
what else can i say...
you need to examine the world without bias, and try to parse truth from scripted lies
try to see what you're being led to, and why
>>936267858
i can, and often do
but you act like a fragile, offended little faggot lmao
it's just the way here
hey
if you want me to be more proper and civil, fine
after this post i will be just that
what do you want to discuss, dear fellow?
seriously, this is /b/
you should expect this kind of behavior, especially when met with such a demanding attitude (your own)
try >>>/pol/ and >>>/sci/ and >>>/x/ too
and maybe even >>>/v/
they all have interesting conversation potential

>>936267971
why do you feel the need to use this name calling?

>>936267971
i'm thankful that you will be more civil now. i really do appreciate it.

>>936268014
you're acting like you deserve it, and that is the etiquette of /b/
>>936268045
why?
try to be more accommodating
you receive a more honest answer that way no matter the setting/place you find yourself in
try to be at custom with your surroundings, if that makes sense to you
I don't come into your home and demand you speak a certain way, do i?

Your fortune: Godly Luck

>>936267614
Welcome to /b/, honorable newfaggot. It appears you have concerns regarding the colorful language we casually employ. It’s a common misunderstanding that this reflects genuine belief. The consistent and widespread use of insults and slurs isn't (universally) intended to cause harm; rather, it functions as a deliberate attempt to neutralize their power through overexposure. The shock value is intentionally diminished by its ubiquity.

Furthermore, by interrupting the discussion to address stylistic concerns, you are mirroring the behavior you criticize. Focusing on the way something is said rather than what is being said detracts from any potential argument and prioritizes irrelevant factors--especially in a space where anonymity renders individual sensitivities largely inconsequential.

>>936268095
in my experience, the world is much more accommodating if you try to be nice.

i'll give a personal example. i had a long-term substitute teacher when i was 9 years old, as my then teacher's husband suddenly died of a heart attack. about 12 years later, i suddenly lose kidney function and i need a transplant or dialysis. this substitute teacher just so happened to work out at the same gym as my mom, and said she would donate a kidney to me. a few months later, she did. i've been healthy for the past decade thanks to her gift of life.

>>936268186
well said /b/rother
amen.

>>936268186
if one just throws insults and name calling, all that means is they have no argument. but i really want to show that there is a place for kindness, even here. but we have to work together. this other user has decided they would, and i commend them for it.

>>936268282
it can be, but "nice" varries, and sometimes puunching your best friend in the arm or kicking him in the balls and laughing is nice too
just saying
you lack real world experience and true manners and it shows
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that story is something
and there was another image in another thread describing sudden heart attacks just a moment ago
feels like threats lol
anyways
glad you're "healthy" (?), hope you are
but this is not that
charity and polite behavior can go hand-in-hand, but this is not really that
you should match your immediate environment with respect, and honor it and what it demands of you
unless it asks too much
but man, if you can't take someone calling you names that says a lot about you

>>936268351
>all that means is they have no argument
not him
but not always
ad hominem is namecalling in order to detract from argumentation presented
but this is just a lil' extra spice girlfriend!
don't fear it :^)

>>936268351
*in fact, you ignored the points and arguments presented in order to argue about namecalling on /b/ of all places
so in reality you're the one who failed this time

>>936265768 (OP)
once things got all interconnected and dependent on ads and views, there was just nothing stopping someone from astroturfing everything using ages-old propaganda techniques in brand new contexts and with brand new exponential amplifiers

>>936268434
no threats will come from me. going through that, and all the complications, made me never want to spread pain.

it's not that i can't take name calling. i was called names due to some other health issues that i had. i'm just trying to make you aware that if you use name calling, that does not look at the argument in any way, and is the worst mistake you can make, according to Graham's hierarchy of disagreement: https://www.logical-fallacy.com/articles/name-calling/

>>936268515
name calling overrules any argument one can make in my mind. i can't take someone seriously if they do. but i am trying to overcome this bias of mine, as perhaps someone who does this never learned to debate or discuss without name-calling. we all deserve another chance in this life.

i appreciate you pointing out my mistake. thank you.

>>936268473
Name calling isn't necessarily ad hominum. It would be if we asserted that you were a fucking retard, and therefor your arguments are invalid. However, if a sound counter-argument is made or a fallacious point is highlighted, then one would be able to conclude that you were a fucking retard without ad hominum. The observation of retardation being a contributing factor to the poor argument is ancillary to the primary debate.

>>936268616
>no threats will come from me. going through that, and all the complications, made me never want to spread pain
you spread pain here by not giving it ironically enough
so you make trouble here
not joking
you're like a guy walking up to a table and defecating on it
>i was called names due to some other health issues that i had
hey sorry to hear that. I think I understand now, but this isn't that anon
it's ribbing. it's good matured fun and proper etiquette here
>i'm just trying to make you aware that if you use name calling, that does not look at the argument in any way, and is the worst mistake you can make, according to Graham's hierarchy of disagreement
the problem with your assertion is I was not and am not utilizing namecalling to dismiss any argument or idea you presented
in fact, you're the one using it to dismiss my own arguments, which makes you the one acting fallaciously
it's like saying:
>y-you said a bad word!~
>t-therefore your argument is WORTHLESS!
it's a fallacy
you're dismissing me for speaking or typing in an offensive way in order to duck my argument
fake and foolish. it's hypocrisy. anon.
>>936268711 dubs
>name calling overrules any argument one can make in my mind
>in my mind
it's a bad habit
>but i am trying to overcome this bias of mine
glad to hear it
>as perhaps someone who does this never learned to debate or discuss without name-calling
not even the point or true
you use fallacies in reverse in order to dismiss others, or to have an excuse to at least...
again, namecalling is proper etiquette here
>>936268802
well you're right, but i was using that as an example because it's usually dismissive like that
it was only something relational to the moment here
if there's a point i made you want to call out, have at it fren !

This is a place where people come to laugh while drunk etc
Why do you think you're so special? Everyone's on equal ground here.

>>936268986
>y-you said a bad word!~
>t-therefore your argument is WORTHLESS!
unfortunately for you, in many people's minds, this genuinely happens. i want to be kind about it here, in a place where (i assume) you seem to feel safe, because if you do this in real life, it might come back to hurt you. it might have already.

i apologize, i wish i could continue this discussion further, but i need to go to bed otherwise i will not be able to function on my next broadcast. i also apologize that i was not able to discuss every point. i doubt that we will speak again, but i truly wish that you have a wonderful life.