Thread 936337178

Powerful.

Bordiga better

>>936337257
Yeah but he's not without his own faults

>>936337323
What would your criticisms of him be?

>>936337390
Dialogue with Stalin was his magnum opus imo, and his critique of antifascism had it's merits. However, his totally uncompromising attitude towards orthodox marxism resulted in tactical errors that deviated from leninist thought quite a bit. These errors are most observable with the current ICP's positions, such as declaring the Gaza genocide an interimperialist war and fracturing their own party in two between the genders. Some blame Bordiga for Mussolini's victory in Italy, I don't, even at most siding with the antifascists in Italy would have resulted in a devastating civil war and a fascist victory regardless

>>936337581
>his totally uncompromising attitude towards orthodox marxism resulted in tactical error
I agree to an extent however I also feel that a lack of adherence towards marxist orthodoxy has played a large role in the current fractured and ideologically confused communist movement

>>936337775
Revisionism is of great concern. However you'd be surprised by how compromising Lenin was in his tactics. Was blown away when I was reading one of his works last month and he wrote that even social democracy would be better than what they had then and he was fine if all his efforts resulted in only that. I think a lot of well-read leftcoms inevitably notice the contradictions between Lenin and Bordiga and end up developing antilenisist attitudes as a result

>>936337885
I would not call myself anti leninist but I would say that Lenins tactics should not be viewed as a blueprint for how revolutions should be carried out. Lenin was working within extraordinary circumstances, so any deviations he undertook could be excused as tactical necessities, and he was always sure to clarify that these measures were not socialist or communist but merely strategically necessary. My issue is when people look to Lenins more pragmatic and lenient approach and use it to justify opportunism or throw their support at any vaguely socialistic or anti imperialist movement

>>936338059
Indeed and I agree with you. The focus of my concerns as far as my own development as a communist has been to define that line between anti-revisionism and ultra-leftism; that is what compromises are strategically important and which will bring disastrous bourgeois influence into the movement. I certainly fall within the more cautious, patient method rather than bold approach. But there are critical moments when a bold approach is necessary, and such caution can cause us to miss those rare historic opportunities.

>>936338209
I see, it reminds me of a point Bordiga brought up in his Lyons theses where he talks about how the party should plan for any potential future events in order to have an idea of how the party should respond to shifting conditions while still maintaining programmatic clarity.

>>936338440
I'm unsure if Bordiga himself had that figured out either. My approach has been to endorse flexible tactics while maintaining ruthless critique, but after some painful years bouncing around to different parties, I can confidentially say they are all in some capacity corrupted by capital. Marxism consistently delivers answers I don't like, so I've resigned to the reality that the process of building communism will be messy, riddled with contradictions and opportunism.

>>936338611
>so I've resigned to the reality that the process of building communism will be messy, riddled with contradictions and opportunism.
This is something I have also come to terms with, and it is a part of why the 'Leftcom' approach has appealed to me, it is very explicit in the amoral nature of communism, and it recognizes that any revolution that comes about will not be some perfect idealized revolution, it will be a very very very messy affair.

>>936338948
Rather than adhere to a single line, I try to assess the strengths and weaknesses of each tendency. I'm sure some are more correct than others. To be honest, my mind is far from made-up. I hope with the more I educate myself, the clearer these answers will become

>>936337178 (OP)
incel commie

>>936339146
100%, I find myself constantly building on my own understanding and ideas pretty much daily. It is a constant process of learning and considering new things. I mean even Marx himself was constantly building on his own ideas and considering new possibilities up to his death.