Thread 936586306

Atheists be like
I cant measure god so he's not real, but I can measure love so its not real

Atheists make me so frustrated. Why can’t they just believe in Sky Daddy?

>>936586306 (OP)
Why did this show fall off so hard? No one talks about season 8

>>936586306 (OP)
It’s incredible, isn’t it?

>cant measure
>measurable as a chemical reaction

I predict this thread will be deleted once the science denying Christ thumpers show up

>>936586308
My contrarian brain is telling me to watch it now since the original voice actor got cancelled by horrid women.

>>936586308
I think it was the dragon episode and the incest baby episodes.

>>936586313
That episode was funny since Rick is basically a wizard himself. It’s all fucking ingenious bullshit.

“It’s not magic it’s science”

>>936586313
You know with these at least you could say they tried something.
Current season has an episode that's just 20 minutes generic cartoon action scenes with that space-clone Beth, I ended up leaving it in the background while browsing tv.

>>936586309
>>936586315
If you don’t treat nature, existence itself, as something godlike or divine or magical, then you don’t actually love or appreciate nature, or science, do you?

Said this to my old physics professor once and he fucking LOST it on me.

>>936586306 (OP)
This doesn't really say love is not real, it just demystifies it and says it something that comes and goes instead of being some kind of eternal magic power

>>936586309
Atheistm and gnosism are both extremes and should be avoided.
A healthy mind neither rejects the spiritual nor the material.

>>936586317
You did nothing wrong. So many nerds and boomers today are terrified of seeing wonder and mystery and beauty within the world. They cannot see a force of beauty it gives them a sort of cognitive dissonance so their amygdala freaks out.

>>936586318
Why would you defend something the writer wrote as a joke? Rick is supposed to be a nihilistic jerk here and the episode is about him being horribly wrong.

>>936586317
I don't get why you can't love or appreciate something without treating it as something godlike, divine or magical. All of those terms just describe different concepts to me

>>936586321
I'm not defending it or saying I'm agreeing with it, OP's premise is just wrong

>>936586317
Nature is horrible.

>>936586322
>All of those terms just describe different concepts to me
Then you’re an idiot.

Magic is the chemical reaction in the brain leading up to “wow, it’s like magic!”, even if the same word (“magic”) isn’t used. That feeling a biologist feels when they they discover a new form of deep sea life? That’s magic.

It’s the birth of religion. The ancients who had looked to the stars in the night sky, seeing them as gods. Magic is an expression, sourced to perception, which ties into illusion, or just exposure logic. There is no grander stage than the deep black abyss that is space. No bigger veil. It’s indistinguishable from religion. The ancients who had looked to the night sky, seeing the stars as gods, is no different from the magician on a stage pulling a white rabbit out of a black hat.

Magic IS a black box — one that is white within.

Even Tolkien knew this. It’s why machines are seen as sorcery in middle-earth, or why the elves don’t consider themselves magical beings. Gandalf isn’t a wizard back home in Valinor, and he’s seen by the elves the same way the elves are seen by men, and hobbits.

Magic is a bar. “Magic”.

>>936586322
Do you really think an alien UFO wouldn’t be borderline magic to today’s physicists? Even gravity is borderline magic today. Its mysteries are still prevalent. Wonderful.

If things like mystery and wonder (and horror) make magic then ignorance is the greatest mystery of all. Humans thinking they know everything is hilarious. Go and ask a zoomer how their cellphone works. The competency crisis is transpiring, and black boxes are everywhere. We’re re-hiring retired old people because young people don’t know how to do basic shit anymore. Pic related.

>>936586327
ignorance is the greatest magic* of all

>>936586324
Biology is magic, fag. Magic is Alive.

>>936586306 (OP)
You don't believe in hundreds of gods, I just don't believe in one more.

>>936586308
Normies don't actually like things they just follow the crowd and watch what everyone else is watching so they can talk about it.
Episode 1 was great, 5 was pretty good the rest have been ok.

>>936586327
Huge shrug, let their failures become the triumph or death of their children. Pretending you'll be alive to bear the brunt of the issue isn't helping change anything, we are past that point and now it's out of our hands.

>>936586511
Ricky Gervais anon gets it

we can measure the cheimcals that cause attachment, which is love.

even more abstractly love is an experience other humans can corroborate exists.

you have neither of these with god.

>Rick and Morty thread is off topic on fucking /television & film/
Mods are fags

>>936587102
This isn't a thread about Rick and Marty, despite the op image being one of a screenshot of the show. Are you daft?

>>936587179
It’s a Rick and Morty image so by default it’s a Rick and Morty thread. The show is also responsible for this “love isn’t real!” atheist cancer. How is it not related?

>>936587257
>“love isn’t real!” atheist cancer
The funniest thing about the internet is every tiny subculture gets amplfied to the point the terminally online think fringe opinions are common.

Atheists are soulless intellectuals
Theists are soulful nincompoops

Not sure which is preferable

>>936587347
To be fair, you have to have a high IQ to understand Rick and Morty.

>>936587257
It may be related, but that is not the topic of the thread. Atheism is. Atheism isn't a TV show, op just used an image from Rick and Morty to justify a discussion about atheism on a TV board. Op didn't make this thread to discuss Rick and Morty and you know it.

>>936586306 (OP)
love is a feeling people experience, first-hand, it actually exists
god is an idea humans invented, and exists as an idea, but not as any kind of actual entity out in the universe or outside of it

>>936587347
This is the exact issue with zoomers, they honestly believe that everyone is saturated into the internet culture as they are and can't fathom why "boomers" keep telling them to go out and do shit with their time. It's had some pretty extensive effects on partisanship in the US also

>>936587355
>soulful
Lol what does this even mean to someone that doesn't believe in souls? I use the word to describe some musicians or artists. Never have i used to word to describe a gullible theist.

>>936587377
You are being trolled and taking the bait, moron.

>>936587400
According to the subjective human viewpoint, yes.

>>936587445
no, he's calmly explaining to the retarded anon how he is wrong and how they are fucking up the /tv/ board with their inane thread

>>936587400
>it actually exists
Your perception is not exactly reality. Your emotions are not exactly reality. They are your brains interpretations of reality. Love only exists in the mind, and so far as we know, a human construct.

>>936587445
So be it

>>936587433
>he thinks being soulful requires a literal soul
>he thinks the soul isn’t just consciousness, conscience, etc
Oh god please kill yourself

>>936587506
Well yeah, that's sort of what I'm getting at. How are religious people "soulful"? Because they believe in a soul? Its circular logic that doesn't make sense.

>>936587482
Correct, perceptions exist unlike god

>>936587482
>Your emotions are not exactly reality.
but they are, if you feel anger or sadness, those are actual experiences you feel in your brain, they exist in this reality
>They are your brains interpretations of reality.
and your brain exists in this reality, it's a physical object you can point to

>>936586319
>atheism = extreme
Not believing in something until there's sufficient evidence to do so sounds pretty reasonable to those not in cults

>>936587538
Atheists lack soul because they refuse to acknowledge the beauty within nature - they’ve deconstructed everything and it’s all a boring grey blob to them. Theists can actually see the beauty in nature. It’s a sort of why religion even exists.

See >>936586309

>>936587576
They exist in your mind. Which isn't that much different. We say it exists, because collectively we can share the feeling and express it. But abstract emotions don't actually *exist* we make them from the chemistry and impulses in our brain. It may be hard to conceive, because we are human and our perception is limited, but other alien species could have emotions we could never conceive, because their chemistry will be different.

>>936587681
>Atheists lack soul because they refuse to acknowledge the beauty within nature - they’ve deconstructed everything and it’s all a boring grey blob to them.
Wrong/strawman
>Theists can actually see the beauty in nature.
Naw, instead of seeing and appreciating nature for what it is they go 'oh gee look what God did!'
>It’s a sort of why religion even exists.
Also wrong, religion exists to control populations. You could argue that's why religion began

>>936587681
>acknowledge the beauty within nature
That's not true. I find nature beautiful and appreciate its existence. I just don't think sky daddy made it. Are you trying to say because atheists(scientists?) Are trying better understand nature, rather than simply enjoying it and not questioning it, they don't appreciate it the way theists do? Because that's just not true.

>>936587711
>But abstract emotions don't actually *exist* we make them from the chemistry and impulses in our brain.
Pick one, they can't not exist while we're simultaneously making them. You can say they don't physically exist, which is correct. I can't present a kilogram of love or anger, but I can point to a brain scan and say u mad (iirc)

>>936587799
> I just don't think sky daddy made it
Irrelevant. I don’t care what you believe in as long as you don’t pretend that nature isn’t magical and amazing and full of wonder.

>>936586308
the catharsis moment between the beths and rick in the latest ep was really nice, I only wish it was longer

>>936587828
are you trying to actually argue that emotions aren't real and don't exist?

>>936587858
No, reread my post and try again

>>936587789
>Also wrong, religion exists to control populations. You could argue that's why religion began
No. Religion started because of “idk” and then the imagination took over. See >>936586325 >>936586326 >>936586327

It’s all ignorance. That’s deeper than control. Ignorance as a tool to dominate minds came later, because it went along with it. Priests are another form of politician, and some of them see faith as a literal physical object to chain people to and leash them around.

You don’t need mind control powers to mind control people. Thulsa Doom knew that.

>>936587842
The more I study nature the more amazing it is, I dunno about 'magical' but that'll depend on how you're using that word

>>936587789
>religion exists to control populations
yes and no, people create religions for their own reasons, but when said religions become large enough they can then be used to control the people who adhere to them
you can't exactly control an entire population if some group of 100 people makes a religion

>>936587901
Seems we agree, I shoulda elaborated more.

>>936587921
>I dunno about 'magical' but that'll depend on how you're using that word
Jesus Christ. It’s magic LOGIC. The logic that leads up to such a state, or feeling, or sensation, etc.

See>>936586325

> Magic is the chemical reaction in the brain leading up to “wow, it’s like magic!”, even if the same word (“magic”) isn’t used. That feeling a biologist feels when they they discover a new form of deep sea life? That’s magic.
That’s magic.

Miracles are magic by any other name - so is science - people (like the Church) can and DO have MASSIVE monopolies on words, or word warfare. Semantics.

Why do you think trannies are so annoying? Because they weaponize words to try and de-educate your ass.

>>936587828
It's like sound. Sound doesn't exist without a brain and sensors to interpret vibrations in the air. Air vibrations exist, but sound doesn't without an observer. We are observing and interpreting the chemicals. Just happens to make you feel a certain way.

>>936587966
I was making a distinction between why its exists (today) vs why it was created/existed in the past.

>>936587842
It's not magical. Why must I agree with your narrow interpretation to be deemed soulful? It's amazing, but not magical.

>>936588023
You have an odd definition for magic, perhaps 'awe inspiring' would be better.

But yes by your definition, I (an athiest) find nature to be magical.

I saw a bunch of monarch butterflies in a tree once. I thought they were leaves, not butterflies. It’s like the tree came alive all at once.

I said something like “how magical”, and my friend to my right corrected me, that it “was not magic but nature”.

I then realized that my friend didn’t like nature, if he didn’t feel this same feeling. It was absolutely a magical moment.

>>936588100
The thing is. He’s not wrong. That awe is what led up to religion and accusations of hocus pocus, superstition (an oxymoron to be sure), and imaginative ignorance in general.

So yes. Magic is precisely a matter of awe and exposure. What is magic to one is not going to be magic to another. It’s a one sided, psychologically substantiated angle, or affair. A sleight of view. It is the mind’s eye.

What is a good is a matter of perspective, lol. You can worship a fucking rock, or a tree, if it’s divine enough to you. Or if It’s godlike enough then it’s a god. The cosmos is surely grand, godlike. It’s just an expression I swear to god (lol).

Listen.

Atheists don’t like to acknowledge that a sufficiently godlike alien being can totally be worshiped as a god or something.

Theists don’t like acknowledging that their god is just a big alien and believing in gods is a variant of believing in aliens.

It’s that simple. Mad scientists are indistinguishable from stereotypical wizards. God is a giant fucking alien.

>>936588349
Seems like you've watched too much 'history' channel

>>936588349
>Atheists don’t like to acknowledge that a sufficiently godlike alien being can totally be worshiped as a god or something.
the problem isn't the worshiping, people historically worshiped kings and pharaohs, but those actually existed
the problem is when the thing they're worshiping doesn't exist, and they try and tell others that it does, without any evidence

>>936588189
Didn't say he was, I will say he's being confusing either intentionally or not.

In the context of theism v atheism 'magic' carries a lot of baggage

>>936588803
>the problem is when the thing they're worshiping doesn't exist, and they try and tell others that it does, without any evidence
Or legislate based of it, or murder based on it, etc

>>936588809
Magic carrying baggage is precisely his point. It’s a “wandering word”.

>>936588803
People worshiped those kings and pharaohs because they thought they were gods.
>the problem is when the thing they're worshiping doesn't exist, and they try and tell others that it does, without any evidence
Tell a Muslim Allah doesn’t exist and they will behead you for it. Tell a Christian that God is “nature itself” and they will find it to be poetic and beautiful (the whole pantheism debate). Ask a Jew if they think God is real and they’ll say they don’t care.

Being religious isn’t about belief it’s about following a narrative. It’s meant to be entertained, not believed. Faith doesn’t require truth, ever. It is counterproductive to it. It’s a story. A metaphor.

The problem is most humans are way too stupid for their own good and WANT to believe.

>>936588975
>because they thought they were gods.
and their life depended on it
but either way, they were actual people you could see and talk to, you don't have to convince someone that the person standing in front of you actually exists, it's obvious, you could actually touch them

>>936589074
Okay. But they seriously argued that their god-kings “never shitted ever”, and that is like believing in a god. Even in North Korea people believe the Kims don’t shit. Attributing something that isn’t there to something that is there is indistinguishable. Christians saw nature as proof of God’s existence. “It’s too amazing!”. The stars were seen, and then seen as gods.

>>936588975
You're far too comfortable speaking on behalf of entire swaths of people.

>>936589165
none of that is relevant though, the distinction is between things that obviously exist and those that don't
whether someone thinks a person is a god, or a wizard, a witch, a demon, etc, or not doesn't matter, the person still exists, you can see them, talk to them, touch them, and interact with them

>>936589165
Poor argument.

Claiming Ceasar never shit
Vs
There's a all powerful undetectable creator of the universe that cares who you have sex with

Are very different beliefs. The former you can at least establish it exists, and that shitting exists. The former you can't even establish the thing exists, much less what it has or has not done or how it feels about buttsex.

>>936589483
>The former you can't even establish the thing exists, much less what it has or has not done or how it feels about buttsex.
>the latter*

>>936589251
That’s a very old Jewish joke though. Two rabbis arguing about God’s existence over the course of a night came to the conclusion that God didn’t in fact exist — but the very next morning those two rabbis were seen going to the synagogue. “What does his existence have to do with it?”.

>>936586309
the irony proffered by that image would be entirely lost if the beautiful landscape photograph in the background were replaced by a collage of photos of babies born with harlequin ichthyosis

>>936589483
No. It’s a very good argument. It’s all a matter of scale. Bullshit is bullshit. There is only one set of truths out there. What is bullshit is enforced by what is out there. Ignorance outnumbers the truth and this is scary. The ancients could look to the sky and interpret the sun and the stars however they wished. But those stars are still stars.

>>936589868
there's a large number of jewish people who don't take scriptures or the existence of god literally, not sure it's really a "joke"

>>936586317
>How to ragebait the physics professor

>>936586320
I still have a big sense of wonder and that's what still interests me in the world and for the most part keeps me from doing nothing with my life. I don't think that revering it is necessary.
>>936588023
Also as this anon said, there are a bunch of words that have had their meanings replaced and given over to debating their existence.

>>936589942
Humor is allowed to contain elements of truth. The Jews are humble and know the true purpose of religion - it’s a community to mold your life by. They have strong family values and survived through the ages.

>>936590180
>I don't think that revering it is necessary.
You don’t revere nature? Do you think that revere is another word for worship?

>>936590305
Clearly

>>936589942
It’s significant because of how old it is. A lot of ancient people didn’t actually believe in their gods. The Greeks saw them more like concepts or ideals. They did not literally think the gods lived on Mt. Olympus. You even had people like Pliny (one of the Plinys) attributing witchcraft to aliens (“demons” at the time), since only a superior intelligence could enforce something so stupid. Hocus pocus was seen as stupid even then. You can extend this to the gods.

>>936590495
Not the hero we deserved, but the one we needed

Spider-man is hella gay

>>936590305
I worship science which is essentially worshiping nature. Only faith in the Truth matters. It is the True Faith. Any other faith is inherently deluded. The path to the Truth may be deluded, but the Truth itself is not deluded. It’s just Truth.

>>936590305
I think that actual worship requires works or action, while reverence is more akin to loving something until worship. Having a sense of wonder and being in awe of things makes me want to understand them but not take it as the only thing deserving of my interest.
>>936591078
for clarification, not me.

Good thread. God simultaneously exists and doesn’t.

>>936591257
>God simultaneously exists and doesn’t.
not really, the idea that people created exists, the thing it points do doesn't in actuality

>>936591257
however, fags who talk about an inbetween will be burned at the lethal injection chair

>>936591252
Worship isn’t really required for religion.

Who’s more Christian? Or who’s the better Christian? The one who does not fully believe in the Bible but has a strong presence within the Christian community and contributes to it immensely, making lives better and families happier — or the one who goes out of his way to zealously murder anyone who dares speak against his God?

>>936591299
So it simultaneously exists? God is a concept, which is created in the brain.

Thanks for agreeing with me.

The idea that some godlike alien intellect is behind life just means that life is a lot more artistic than not. You don’t have to worship this hypothetical intellect either.

Evolution could absolutely be a tool to a higher dimensional lifeform that perceives space(time) a lot differently.

Had a Christian told God that they took everything in the Bible at face value, He’d likely be disappointed.

>>936591357
>So it simultaneously exists?
no, you're trying to pretend like 2 different things are the same
the word apple and a physical apple are not the same thing

>>936591578
Except this isn’t a word. It’s just the idea that there’s a larger-than-life intellect out there. What it is, is irrelevant. It’s just this scientific possibility. Something might be out there that looks at humans the way humans look at ants. We don’t know. But this doesn’t require worship either.

>>936586315
You’re funny.

>>936591631
>It’s just this scientific possibility.
with zero evidence, it's an abstract idea, that very likely doesn't exist as there's no reason to suggest it does
so no, it doesn't both exist and not exist
the abstract concept humans invented exists, that's it, end of sentence

>>936591769
>with zero evidence
Honestly. The alternative is declaring war on the universe.

>>936591335
I get that. However, the awe in what is claimed to be [from] God or magic does not necessitate integrating your reasoning behind how they exist into your belief. I think that religion, as opposed to an individual's beliefs, does require worship, as it creates a system for others to place their belief into, one way or another. Just to be clear, I believe in what I believe but aiming for what is most observable or provable gets me closer to the truest form of what is the reason behind what is and so forth. Could you agree that religion is to propagate what some people believe is the truth?
Sorry for the delay, multiplexing rn

>>936591809
what?

>>936591959
>>936592051

>>936591769
whatever. go my chiyo

>>936592398
I've seen you before, cordtroon

>>936592511
please stop harrasing me

>>936591951
You’re basically declaring that Earth is off limited to hypothetical extraterrestrial intelligences - who should be so far ahead of us cognitively that they could easily be mistaken for something akin to a god, if they weren’t already godlike.

Consider that we’re almost entirely identical to chimpanzees, and look at just how different we are. Now extend that to race and ethnicity and see all the hell we cause over it.

Disclosure is never happening, and it’s not because “there are no aliens around”.

>>936591935
>belief. I think that religion, as opposed to an individual's beliefs, does require worship, as it creates a system for others to place their belief into, one way or another.
Sure, but what one defines as worship might be heresy to another worshiper. It’s not all the same. The Jews didn’t believe in God nearly as hard as Muslims as well as Christian’s did/do.

>>936592639
what?
you're getting mad about some hypothetical alien species we have no evidence for
which is still very different from an all powerful creator god that exists outside of time and space
the fuck are you on about?

>>936591935
>>936592689 (me)
>Could you agree that religion is to propagate what some people believe is the truth?
Yes, but it’s the emphasis. The truth is either metaphorical or it isn’t. Religious folk don’t like chalking up their faith to “mere” metaphor, while others are fine doing just that. Muslims tend to be the ones who don’t see their religion as a metaphor for anything. Christians too. They absolutely believe a man was swallowed by a fish for a whole week. It’s not a metaphor for survival or anything.

>>936592755
What makes you think I’m getting mad? I’m just telling you how it is. Either they’re here or they’re not here. It’s one or the other. There is no third alternative. The former is a lot more likely than the latter, which comes across as the more absurd or absolutist. That’s all I’m saying. The contexts and circumstances don’t matter.

>>936592755
>which is still very different from an all powerful creator god that exists outside of time and space
Not really. That’s still an alien. It’s external to the terrestrial sphere. Technically speaking God is more alien than not. He predates his creation. The holy Trinity itself is kind of a perfect analogy of a higher dimensional being. God, the All, is too large to fit into three dimensions, and any instance of him intervening - the Holy Spirit - is akin to his fingertip grazing the surface. Jesus is his actual three dimensional incarnation, as he cannot wholly fit himself into three dimensions. He got intimate with his own creation. But it’s all attached the same being, the way fingers are attached to the hand.

>>936592846
>The former is a lot more likely than the latter
for a mortal, corporeal alien species existing somewhere in the entirety of the universe? sure
for a creator god that exists outside of spacetime that has supernatural abilities? no

>>936592689
But isn't this more to do with the culture that surrounds them? That's another thing, where religion & culture often get intertwined to the point where people claim to be, say, Christian, while believing something in private that might as well be called Pagan.
>>936592784
Thanks for saying.
I don't really see where those people come into play though. I see that they exist and believe those things but that's more on the point of what they have learned to say or respond with while growing up being taught a way of life, rather than how to expand on what they come to believe.

>>936592949
See, you’re basically claiming that all of existence was made for us. That’s the absurdity. It could be, but it’s a lot more absurd to assume. It’s possible that we’re all in some sort of Petri dish to a higher alien being.

>>936586311
Nobody denies science

>>936592958
My point is that worship, or belief, isn’t as hard for some as it is for others. You can be religious while not actually believing in your religion. We’ve seen it all throughout our histories.

The phrase “Did the Greeks believe in their gods?”. The paradox of belief.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vpHhPdYYo6U&pp=ygUqRG8gdGhlIGdyZWVrcyBiZWxpZXZlIGluIHRoZWlyIGdvZHMgc2xhdm9q

>>936593009
>See, you’re basically claiming that all of existence was made for us.
no I'm not, how am I making that claim?
and it wasn't made for anyone
> It’s possible that we’re all in some sort of Petri dish to a higher alien being.
you're being very liberal with the usage of "alien" here

>>936593116
>Didsh the Greeksh beleev in thsher gods

>>936593149
>no I'm not, how am I making that claim?
You automatically claim this by assuming that there are no alien intelligences out there. If you can’t see why, then…

>>936586306 (OP)

Rick is based.

>>936593116
But again, this is just a cultural thing. Yes, you can be religious but without belief that's just following a standard of how to behave and potentially think. Also, I'm interested in what you yourself have to say.

>>936593149
>you're being very liberal with the usage of "alien" here
Alien means alien. Alienation. Europeans were alien to North American natives. All of existence is more alien than not. All the things we don’t know are everything else out there. We’d be alien to aliens.

It’s an extremely liberal word. It’s not just little green men in flying saucers.!

>>936586306 (OP)
How would Rick respond if you told him his entire universe was created less than 20 years ago, and that his inventions had no basis in actual science?

>>936593230
You’re not disagreeing with me, and I’m not disagreeing with you. It IS cultural. It IS genetic. Belief is different for everyone but it’s clear that some take it way too far.

>>936593189
>You automatically claim this by assuming that there are no alien intelligences out there.
I never said that either, the fuck are you talking about? I acknowledge there are probably aliens species somewhere in the universe at one point in time or another

Tell a double digit iq Christian that God is an alien and they will rage to the heavens against you.

Tell a triple digit iq Christian that God is an alien and they won’t care. In fact they will agree with you.

You’ll notice that all the geniuses in history who doubled as Christian believed in God their own way. Heretical even.

Isaac Newton was a downright heretic.

>>936593441
Yes. It’s one or the other. The idea that we’re alone in this universe has a lot of very disturbing implications.

>>936593240
an alien implies another mortal being not that different from us, that just lives somewhere else
a creator god that exists outside of the universe is not an alien, it's a god, not at all the same thing
the discussion is about gods and religions, not aliens

>>936593322
Yeah, I thought that this is where we'd end up. Sure, some do take it too far and others miss the mark. That's just how people usually act. What were you getting at earlier, though? Around >>936590305

>>936593504
>an alien implies another mortal being not that different from us, that just lives somewhere else
No it doesn’t. Are you stupid? This has never been the case in science-fiction. It frequently incorporates godlike aliens.

>>936593314
He'd ask for proof

>>936593483
ok? what does that have to do with anything? life could be rare, or prevalent, we don't really know either way unless we somehow detect signs of life outside our solar system, which we might one day

>>936593506
Reverence is just reverence. You can revere a higher intelligence without worshiping it, the way physicists revered Einstein. Did they worship Einstein? No.

>>936593504
>a creator god that exists outside of the universe is not an alien
God is external to and predates the terrestrial sphere. He is an extraterrestrial. If that’s not an alien to you, then you have a fundamental issue with the word. Semantics.

>>936593538
>No it doesn’t.
it absolutely does
and who gives a shit what science-fiction says about anything? it's fiction, it's made up
and science-fiction is always grounded in some notion of reality, which is why it's science-fiction, and not fantasy

>>936593611
>it absolutely does
It absolutely doesn’t. See >>936593608

This is basic logic. You’re not using logic.

>>936593611
Science-fiction is a form of fantasy lol. You think a fireball a wizard conjures isn’t fire? You think a magic missile has no particle makeup to it?

>>936593608
>He is an extraterrestrial.
something that exists outside the universe is not extraterrestrial, I don't think you know what that term means
it means from a different planet, still within the universe, not outside the universe
>then you have a fundamental issue with the word. Semantics.
correct, I have an issue with you misusing words to mean things they don't mean, glad you agree

>>936593764
>something that exists outside the universe is not extraterrestrial, I don't think you know what that term means
Lol. It’s not sourced to the terrestrial sphere. It’s extraterrestrial. You’re not winning this. I don’t know why you’re even arguing with me.

>>936593639
>see my bullshit definition of words
lmao, no

>>936593762
>Science-fiction is a form of fantasy lol.
it is, but doesn't involve magic and wizards, it uses more grounded real world science that may exist in the future, and often is possible in some way, to a point
creating entire universes is beyond reasonable though

>>936593569
But I'm saying that the higher intelligence here is always going to be abstract until it is proven or observed as it is without being mistaken for some other reasonable occurrence. Research into causes behind phenomena interests me, as I think that it would anyone with the right mindset, regardless of belief. That being said, what is an abstract belief should not be viewed nearly as close to what is "true" as that which is studied and looked into, rather than following what somebody else has said.
Aside from reverence, there are many different feelings that one might have for an intelligence or force much beyond comprehension and a man who at most can be regarded as a prodigal genius. It could also be argued that, if one decides to devote a paper or time of study to him, then that still is worship. Just as you said, those (few) who take it to an extreme. The type of reverence that it is founded on, though, is going to be very different.

>>936593764
>a different planet that isn’t earth is an exoplanet
>but a different universe that isn’t our universe is totally not an exo-universe
You’re funny. Exo/extra/external just means… outside…

Is God outside our universe? Existence as we know it? He’s an alien.

>>936593861
What is frequently showcases in science fiction is about as stupid as what you see in typical fantasy. Science fiction is more absurd than stereotypical fantasy in a lot of cases. Too many cases.

Star Trek is plain fucking fantasy to the sufficiently educated physicist.

>>936593813
you're just refusing to agree on what the definitions of words mean
creator gods are not extraterrestrials, they're gods, it's not the same thing
>You’re not winning this.
you're right, because you're unreasonable, stubborn, and arguing in bad faith
>I don’t know why you’re even arguing with me.
I don't know either at this point because clearly you can't be reasoned with

>>936593867
>But I'm saying that the higher intelligence here is always going to be abstract until it is proven or observed
Perhaps. But I’m likened to consider it an aspect of human hubris to assume that there isn’t something out there. I’m just not worshiping it. Believing in gods is just a variant of believing in aliens to me.

>>936593943
>you’re arguing in bad faith!
I think we’re done here.

>>936593877
like I said, a very liberal use of the term alien

>>936586324
Death is a natural part of life anon.

>>936594075
Sup spiderman poster? How is everything?

>>936593964
I can see why you would make that observation, though believing that there is "something out there" in some conceivable sense feels like either too much hope or another kind of hubris. While I am certain that there are things that I do not understand and even more certainly am not aware of, I don't think that assuming based off of our intuition built for thoughts long past is a better way to go about it than looking at what's in the present and, with our better methods of observation, what causes the future unrelated to us.

>>936594125
Eh. Another 45 minutes till I get to leave work. Watching yall trannies argue about religion is like watching chuds debate gender.

What's up with you?

>>936594591
Chuds and trannies just living rent free in your mind huh?

>>936594145
>though believing that there is "something out there" in some conceivable sense feels like either too much hope or another kind of hubris
Maybe to some, but to me it’s quite the opposite. Believing there’s nothing else out there is akin to claiming the universe is yours and yours alone. I’m not doing that. I’m also not attempting to pin down whatever’s out there. There’s not enough information for that. All religion is a guess.

I highly doubt God looks at himself the same way his believers look at him. He’s probably not a God to himself. If he saw himself as a God then that’s more or less projecting human levels of hubris onto him. Do humans walk up to ants and declare themselves gods? Only those who are truly pathetic.

>>936594821
It’s the same with wizards. The capital-w wizard won’t see themselves as capital-w wizards. They’re too transcendent for that. They’d sooner see why something is seen as divine, or magical, to begin with.

>>936593190
Does he believe in a creator? Because his universe has two of them

>>936594651
Completely missed the point. And this is why I post spiderman rather than engage.

>>936594684
>is akin to claiming the universe is yours and yours alone
not sure how that matters either way, that feels more like you putting a personal value judgement on it
and I have a feeling we will eventually figure out that life isn't unique to only this planet, even if we don't find anything that's actually intelligent

>>936594684
Would you say that religion is a way of studying the universe? I'm tempted to say that if all religion is a guess then it would be better to forgo it and just follow our own methods and continually compare & contrast findings, whatever they might be.
I'm not claiming that the universe is ours alone either, by the way. The fact that we exist somewhere does not mean that we inherit the entire plane on which we are, even if some people say that whatever locality they reside in is their property or in some way their belonging.

Do you think there was such a thing as India anyway EINS SMEI

>>936595020
Rick Sanchez lives in a world where young earth creationists are correct.

>>936595345
And like a real world atheist, he wouldn't accept any of the evidence

>>936595390
that's a flat out lie
atheists are atheists BECAUSE there is no evidence
if you had irrefutable proof of the existence of gods they wouldn't be atheists anymore

>>936595007
>I have a feeling we will eventually figure out that life isn't unique to only this planet
Such a prospect to me suggests that we would be intentionally here. We wouldn’t just form randomly to the exclusion of all elsewhere out there. The conditions are far too convenient.

>>936595430
>evidence
>irrefutable proof
Those are not the same thing. Proof demonstrates a fact, while evidence suggests a possibility. There is no proof for the age of the universe, but you believe it when professed to you by someone you have faith in

>>936595430
The absence of evidence is not evidence of absence

>>936594998
>Completely missed the point. And this is why I post spiderman rather than engage.
I am sure you go out of your way to look for tranny and chud threads.

>>936595523
>Such a prospect to me suggests that we would be intentionally here
how does that follow? all it would mean is the conditions for life are common and can occur anywhere that the building blocks are found
saying there's some intentionality is injecting some external consciousness into the equation, that feels like wishful thinking rather than logical
>We wouldn’t just form randomly to the exclusion of all elsewhere out there
again, that would have more to do with how rare or common the conditions are, it's just probabilities at that point

>>936594998
You post spiderman because you want the conversation to end but have nothing to say that will make you feel superior to the side you disagree with, and are unable to simply ignore the thread

>>936595572
>Those are not the same thing.
one is a subset of the other, one is stronger than the other
we have neither right now
>There is no proof for the age of the universe
but there there is pretty strong evidence that points to an answer
>but you believe it when professed to you by someone you have faith in
I have faith in the evidence and what can be extrapolated and interpreted from it
if better evidence comes along that gives a better answer, I'll accept that, I'm a reasonable person

>>936595572
but you don't have to take anyone's word for it, you can take all of the evidence that's been collected and decide for yourself what it all means

>>936595624
I never said otherwise
if you can prove to me that a god exists, I would believe you
until that happens I have no reason to believe such a thing

oh my god please let this spiderman thread run

>>936595716
>all it would mean is the conditions for life are common and can occur anywhere that the building blocks are found
Sure, except the universe is disgustingly vast. To say we’re the only life out there is a surreal take. It very much implies we are special. Life would be more special than special.

>>936595647
>>936595917
Doing my best

>>936596134
but in all likelihood we aren't the only life to exist in all of the universe, especially across all of time, past and future
but even if we somehow were, it could also just mean the necessary conditions are exceedingly rare and the probability is very low
it makes it special in that sense, but doesn't automatically mean there's any conscious intent to it

>>936596282
Okay, but the argument is that we’re the only form of life, ever, period.

>>936596317
ok? even if you believe that, it still doesn't automatically mean there's any conscious intent to it, that's making a judgement call and attributing something to a low probability outcome because you're incredulous that it couldn't have happened otherwises

>>936596561
No. It clearly does. It’s overly convenient.

It’s kind of like arguing nature could randomly produce a perfectly carved statue of Jesus fucking Buddha in the ass. It wouldn’t.

Again, this is assuming life exists nowhere else.

>>936594684
>>936595180 (me)
I don't think that you'll reply to either of these but I had some fun with this. See you in another thread.

>>936596926
that is literally just the argument from ignorance
"I don't understand, therefore god"

>>936589912
See also, tu quo que fallacy.

>>936591631
>What it is, is irrelevant.
Except it is

>>936591809
Are you trolling or actually this mind broken by religion?

>>936593115
Have you met a Christian?

>>936593557
>ok? what does that have to do with anything?
That fear is what motivates his god/alien belief, because he doesn't care if his beliefs are true.
(Not that anon)

>>936597311
that's usually the impression I get, people don't like the implication of life being rare and resort to "well then god must exist and created all of this, because I can' accept the alternative"

>>936595804
>I have faith in the evidence
So you don't need proof after all. You rely on faith

>>936595841
But I doubt you even understand the evidence

>>936595624
Except when it is.

If you claim to have a red ball in your hand, and when examined an absence of evidence (for a red ball) is found, its evidence of absence of a red ball

>>936597367
...the evidence is the proof, at least to a degree that it provides a a reasonable explanation
and again, if better evidence is found that provides a better explanation then so be it
people use to worship the sun and moon as gods until we figured out what they actually are

>>936586307
Yeah I’m ready to embrace science

>>936596953
The atheist argument isn't any better

>>936586306 (OP)
We can't measure your penis, So it that real ?

>>936597364
Pretty much:
present a false dichotomy-> one option feels icky -> therefore the option i like more is true

>>936586317
>Christians: you don't appreciate how MaGiCaL nature is, so you don't appreciate science
>Also christians: any science I'm too dumb to understand, which is most of it, is fake, and I refuse to appreciate it, including dinosaurs, evolution, the shape of the fucking earth, the age of the fucking earth. Science says the earth is billions of years old, which would make god even more impressive, but I'm a pathetic moron with the brain of a toddler who can't comprehend numbers bigger than five, so I choose to believe nature is much simpler, much less impressive, and yes, much less mAgIcAl

Where are you and I’m so banned the black sweaters teethe with their insides

>>936597470
You got a problem with not believing something until there's a (good/valid) reason to do so?

>>936597271
Christians believe that scientific laws were put in place by God. Also, why only mention Christians?

>>936597525
Some do as a backpedal god of the gaps thing
>why Christian
Theist would be too broad and Christian is more relevant/likely than another religion

>>936597436
What evidence do you have that the universe exists without a cause?

>>936597436
>people use to worship the sun and moon as gods
And you might be just as wrong as they were

>>936597595
Oh boy another kalam crusader, the universe having a cause or not doesn't help your case for god, just a heads up.

>>936597514
Did something cause the universe to exist? If not, why is it the one thing to defy cause and effect?

>>936597731
Dunno x2

Now you gonna answer the question or dodge/deflect some more?

>>936597595
I don't have evidence either way, do you? and that sounds like a loaded question, what do you mean by "cause"?

>>936597665
>i don't see the point in believing in something you can't see, touch or prove exists
the problem is that you're looking for wrong ways to measure the existence of something.

>>936597665
>kalam crusader
Haven't the foggiest what you're talking about about mate. I just want you to answer the question

>>936597652
the difference is I'm open to evidence and proof
if you can prove a god exists, fine
if you can prove how the universe came to be and how it works, that doesn't involve any gods? fine
but I'm not going to accept something that has zero evidence just because someone feels like it should be true, that doesn't work for me

>>936597768
So why do you have such a problem with some people saying that they believe in a creator?

>>936597923
How certain are you that there wasn't a creator?

>>936597862
I've no idea if the universe has a cause or not or if it needs one or not.
Kindly do not lie to me again.

>>936597861
No the problem is you using logic backwards

>>936597929
Concession accepted

>>936597978
>Kindly do not lie to me again
Lol what?

>>936598018
>>936597929
?

>>936598040
Please just answer

>>936598040
I'll reword my question. Do you actively disbelieve in a creator?

>>936598061
>>936597514
?

>>936598130
Nope, I do actively disbelieve in most theistic gods I've heard of

>>936598139
I'm an agnostic. I don't know if there is a god, but am fascinated by those who refuse to accept that there possibly is

>>936598191
Agnostic atheist or agnostic theist?
>those who refuse to accept that there possibly is
Not what anyone's doing if I'm understanding people correctly

>>936598230
I'd say I'm leaning theist ATM, but I bounce between the two.
Well I've jumped into the conversation late. But I noticed that when people say they believe in God, there are always others demanding irrefutable proof on the spot. And without that, they reject all possibility. I just wanted to see if you are one of those.

>>936596928
Shit. I’m sorry.
>>936595180
>Would you say that religion is a way of studying the universe?
I would. It’s just more artistic and metaphorical. It’s a stand-in. A lot of cutting edge science done in the past was conducted by heavily religious people. The learned men were often of the priesthood. Even Isaac Newton was a heavily religious figure. He was practically a natural mystic.

>>936586306 (OP)
Isn't the point of ricks character that hes overly bleak and nihilistic?
Someone who doesn't believe in God can know love is just chemical based and still enjoy it and embrace it. I dont know what you're trying to plug, here.

>>936598460 (me)
>Even Isaac Newton was a heavily religious figure. He was practically a natural mystic.
And by this I mean he sincerely thought that understanding nature was getting closer to God. Understanding His Art was understanding God. The whole Pantheism debate was more or less one of God’s intimacy with Creation. It was a very pure argument. I’d rather argue about nature’s beauty and design rather than politics.

>>936598371
>I noticed people want evidence to believe things and if you cant give it to them they dont believe you.
So weird.

>>936598543
Why do you think another person believing in something means that they owe you something that you wouldn't accept anyway? Or would you? What would you consider irrefutable proof that God is real?

Threads like this are why I wish /b/ had a proper archive.

>>936598597
You're confusing irrefutable proof with evidence, because you have neither

>>936598597
>owe you something that you wouldn't accept anyway?
This is called poisoning the well, it tells people you're aware your arguments suck but dont care. Which is wierd

>>936597124
You’re too stupid to grasp his argument. Attributing the world to some unseen being who wants all non-believers to burn in hell is no different from assuming the funky mushroom you hate gave you your funky visions because the gods made it so.

>>936598766
Alright, describe the amount of evidence that would be adequate for you to believe in God.

>>936586306 (OP)
Faggot shut up. Shut the fuck up with your stupid ignorant fucking superstitious bullshit

Shut the fuck up

> Saying you believe in God is no different than saying you believe in aliens.
He’s right you know.

>>936598718
>You're confusing irrefutable proof with evidence
No you are

>>936598766
Why do you think believers owe you an explanation at all, let alone one that meets your impossible standards?

Religious people have some really weird ideas about atheists.

I wish you'd just shut up for once.

>>936599009
Be brave and click on the post that you're crying about

>>936599027
Who's crying abour people using their brains and not believing in some sky daddy like you do?
Would you like to clarify that for us

>>936599083
I don't believe in "sky daddy". You have some really weird ideas about non-atheists

>>936598845
Dunno, that's your problem

>>936599000
My standards aren't impossible, I simply have standards at all, unlike you

>>936599009
Atheists have some really weird ideas about theists and nature and, well, a lot of things really.

GOD IS NOT AN ALIEN SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UPPPP

>>936599241
Does he predate the thing he created - the Earth? Is he larger than life? He’s an alien.

>>936599166
Yes you do. You believe in a made up deity that doesn't exist and you insist everybody else fucking be stupid like you are

>>936599202
If a priest told you God had given him the power to heal the lame, and he restored a man's atrophied legs to full strength before your eyes, you would not accept it as proof of God. Am I right?

>>936599386
I haven't expressed a belief in God, nor have I tried to convince you of anything. I've only asked you for your own thoughts.

>>936599594
Assuming we confirmed there was no deception, like every other faith healer, that would be demonstrate he can heal people. You still have to show how God was responsible.

>>936599756
Your standards for proof are impossible then

>>936599842
Nope, you just don't have any evidence or know how it works

>>936600017
God could literally come down from the sky, give you a guided tour of the cosmos, and you would say "you still have to prove you're God. You don't know how evidence works..."

>>936600077
But conveniently for you, that's the one thing he hasn't done, so I guess we'll never know, and the only "evidence" you have is "b-but bro, isn't a sunset so beautiful"

>>936600077
Thats probly be sufficient, but you haven't defined your god so I don't know what would be sufficient evidence.
Btw, Unfalsifiable claims are a double edged sword.

>>936600197
What's your current definition of God, in your understanding?

>>936600135
Why would I find that convenient? I'm not trying to prove anything to you, nor am I even saying that God exists in the first place

>>936598130
I don't actively believe things there is no evidence for
if you can prove to me your god exists then I'll believe, but not before

>>936600237
I don't have one because I don't believe in one. Why I'm asking you, the person who believes the thing exists.
I'm guessing you mean the god of the bible, but if you wanna get nitty gritty you'll have to elaborate

>>936600426
What would it take to prove it to you?

>>936600431
I don't believe in dragons, but I can define what one is

>>936600431
In my opinion, if there is a being that created our universe, then that being is God

>>936600524
It’s ‘giant’ logic. What is a giant? A specific being? An elephant is certainly a giant. So is a blue whale. They’re all giant but they’re not the same thing.

Things like gods and religion and magic are just descriptors, not definers.

>>936600611
An elephant is giant (adj)
An elephant that is 8× the size of a regular elephant is *a* giant (noun)

>>936600524
Okay, I'll define god as an imaginary friend for adults.
Imaginary friends aren't real
Therfore god isn't real

>>936600566
Big 'if' good luck supporting that premise

>>936600809
You don't have to believe in something to define what it would be

>>936600903
You're very confused,

If a being created the universe
If a being
If

That's the big if

>>936600792
That’s still just a description.

Last for God.

>>936600495
can we start with any amount of evidence whatsoever?

>>936601572
Nope, best they got is hearsay and appeals to incredulity

>>936601572
No amount of evidence would be enough for you, that's why it's dishonest of you to even ask for any

>>936601676
Aka no, you have none.
Least you dont pretend otherwise like a lot of theists

>>936601208
>big if
That is meaningless. I'm describing what I would call "God"

>>936601742
Were you ever tested for autism? You really struggle with conversations

>>936601715
I never offered any evidence. I'm agnostic

>>936601777
You're just a dick who thinks he's smart

>>936601777
Obnoxious people are always atheists for some reason

>>936601676
>>936601676
>that's why it's dishonest of you to even ask for any
what kind of logic is that?
it's dishonest to ask for evidence in order for someone to believe what you're claiming?
in what other domain is that a reasonable stance to have?

>>936598460
>>936598542
Dw, it's all good, although I'm off for today after this. While I agree that a lot of research was done by religious people, I think that it's closer to the truth to say that those who were found thinking to themselves and living alone or with others like them would often be involved in scholastic pursuits.
While Newton was religious in his own way, he and others like him could only really study in religious places. Universities were extensions of the church. Priesthood was a career followed by bright individuals wanting to link up with others like them, and while you could phrase your studies in an ecclesiastic way, they'd probably come about either way, just like Newton when he was off in quarantine thinking and not working much.
>I mean he sincerely thought that understanding nature was getting closer to God
For a man like him, I think that it's safe to call "God" a cause or the universe itself in a sort of holy spirit kind of way. From that, we could just say that dedication in some way to finding the truth of the world (etc.) would be similar.

>>936601818
>dick
Opinion
>smart
I know I am ;)

>>936601919
Could argue its dishonest to ask for evidence when you're already know there isn't any. But thats assuming its known that you know they don't have any, which is also silly to assume.

But its all cope/misdirection so theists can pretend they have evidence

>>936601919
It's dishonest to ask for evidence when your standard for evidence is impossible high. A 50 ft tall man from the sky could take you on a tour of the multiverse, and you'd be like "now you have to prove that only God has these powers"

>>936601787
Like I said, you at least know better than to pretend you can defend your beliefs

>>936601974
Give me irrefutable proof that you're smart

>>936602452
Mkay, gimme 10ish minutes

>>936602450
The belief in God is defensible, that's why I believe he's quite likely to exist

>>936601938
>Universities were extensions of the church
This is something often ignored. The Church reinforced scientific progress, it didn’t hold it back (outliers be damned). It institutionalized learning in a way that stuck.

>>936602429
>It's dishonest to ask for evidence when your standard for evidence is impossible high.
my standard right now is any amount at all
so what have you got, that isn't just "I can't think of anything else, that means god is real"
>A 50 ft tall man from the sky could take you on a tour of the multiverse, and you'd be like "now you have to prove that only God has these powers"
you're projecting a position on to me that I don't have though, and are getting mad about it
if you don't have anything at all just admit that, instead of inventing something new to get mad about

>>936602473
The thread is about to die, faggot

>>936601938
This. So many European intellectuals like Roger Bacon or Albertus Magnus were Catholic monks. They were described as wizards.

>>936602527
The fact that the universe even exists is evidence of a creator. There's some evidence. Now you'll say it's not evidence
>get mad
I only seem mad because you're reading my replies in an angry voice

>>936601938
>I think that it's closer to the truth to say that those who were found thinking to themselves and living alone or with others like them would often be involved in scholastic pursuits.
They’re still insane people trying and believing new things.

>>936602505
>The belief in God is defensible
Aight let's hear it

>>936602723
Do you just wipe your memory every 10 minutes?

>>936602723
It’s indistinguishable from believing in godlike aliens living in higher dimensional spaces. Of course atheist turds like Neil deGrasse deny all talk of UFOs while still believing in shit like simulation theory.

>>936602669
>The fact that the universe even exists is evidence of a creator.
that's defining god into existence
>Now you'll say it's not evidence
because it quite literally isn't, it's inventing a solution and retroactively saying it fits because you can't think of anyone else,, it's literally a plead to ignorance

>>936602797
They're open to simulation theory because it sounds superficially scientific, and they fucking love science

>>936602888
Yeah well they’re retarded. God I hate them.

>>936602669
>The fact that the universe even exists is evidence of a creator.
no, the only thing that proves is the universe exists, it is not evidence for it's origins in any form

>>936586306 (OP)
Funny that they are both atheists

>>936602876
Because you define God in a deliberately stupid way
>>936602921
>proves
I never said proof. I said E-VI-DENCE

>>936602921
I’d only assume existence was made if we somehow knew for a fact that life exists nowhere else.

>>936602967
>I never said proof. I said E-VI-DENCE
and it's neither

>>936603045
Everything was caused by a set of circumstances. Except the universe. That just made itself from nothing

>>936602967
>Because you define God in a deliberately stupid way
if the universe existence means god also exists then you're using such a broad definition of god that it becomes meaningless, and a black hole could be god at that point

>>936603168
Nah. Everything everywhere every when exists all at once. It’s all a wrap around.

>>936603187
That's not what was said though. One effect can be evidence of multiple possible causes

>>936603187
That's retarded. God is a being that created the universe.

God = The Godhead
The Holy Spirit = The Tip of His Penis
Jesus = The Holy Seed

>>936603306
like I said, defining god into existence

>>936603377
That's not defining God into existence. I'm saying an intelligent creator is one of the possible reasons for the universe's existence

>>936603273
possible, and one possibility is the universe came to be through means that had nothing to do with any gods
and unless someone has any evidence to suggest any gods were involved, or even exist, there's no reason to think that is the case

>>936602452
Looking forward to your copium overdose

There is no original turtle. The prime turtle is the gestalt turtle. It’s all a chain of turtles looping around. Turtles all the way up and down.

>>936603436
If it's possible, then it's perfectly reasonable to think it's true

>>936603486
I have an IQ of 138 and a 21 cm penis

>>936603497
>then it's perfectly reasonable to think it's true
I don't tend to believe things that there's no evidence for, but you do you

>>936602783
I've yet to hear a defense of god that isn't fallacious

>>936603557
I didn't say I believe, lol
>>936603559
I'm sure you have, but you probably expunged it from your memory

>>936603513
Concession accepted

>>936603613
>more bizzare assumptions about others to cope with your irrational beliefs
I'm glad I left the cult when I did