Would you invest in a company you don’t believe in?

By definition, if you invest in SPY you are already doing it hundreds of times

>>937422535 (OP)
EVs are a clown world fad. Unless they can figure out how to recharge them as fast as we can fill a gas tank. Which they can't.

Free Palestine!

I want to end it all in a way that will scar other people for life. I need to do it in front of my family and make them feel guilty. They should see my head explode and hear the bang and feel the spatter. I want the authorities and the public to come in and see the hoarder house and have to clean up my body. It will be the cherry on top of the mess.

>>937422535 (OP)
Why are the wheels octagonal? Does octopus drive this?

>>937422535 (OP)
Yes. Yes I would

>>937424459
>how to recharge them as fast as we can fill a gas tank
Even if you could, they are still dirtier, heavier, more expensive, shorter lived, have horrible resale, and perform worse (except straight line). You sacrifice everything by going with batteries, just like power tools.

>>937426406
Skill issue. Sucks to suck.

>>937426503
What's a skill issue, buying a shitty EV thinking it's an upgrade?

>>937424459
>Unless they can figure out how to recharge them as fast as we can fill a gas tank.

BYD has been showing off 1MW chargers. For all but the heaviest, most inefficient EVs, that's at least 200 miles in 1 minute. Tesla isn't far behind.

Moreover, your take is retarded to begin with. All else being equal, most people would rather wait an extra 5-10 minutes at the pump/charging station than pay the current rates on gasoline. Even those who wouldn't would just pay the (likely) higher rate to charge at home and not wait at a station at all. The reality is, even with first-gen electric cars, the wait time to charge has never really been a huge factor.

What ACTUALLY is a pain in the dick is the sheer cost of batteries. Just the bare cells are going to run anywhere from $10,000 - $30,000 for a typical EV-sized pack. The early-gen packs shitting themselves less than 80k miles due to poor management (I'm looking at you, Nissan Leaf) made things even worse.

I love Tesla, I just have no money

>>937426614
>BYD
Fucking kek. They're still struggling with airbags and seatbelts.
>most people would rather wait an extra 5-10 minutes
Have they exceeded the 1C charge limit yet? Any charging that fast surely assrapes the battery.
>the current rates on gasoline
Electricity is much higher if they're not playing the rate games and subsidies. Electricity easily surpasses 80 cents/kWh where I live in Cali in the summer.

>>937424459
How often do you drive 300+ miles a day without stopping for a break?

How do I want to feel? How will I feel in 5 minutes?

>>937427127
Not him but several times a year. We're going to do 800 miles each way next week.

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>>937427982
Then congrats you’ll stop every 300 miles to charge, piss, eat, and continue your trip uninterrupted if you are in an ev.

>>937428364
kek, no

>>937428396
Okay

>>937426964
>Have they exceeded the 1C charge limit yet?

Where have you been? Even "budget" EVs have been able to fast charge to 80% in under an hour for quite a while now. 30 minutes or less is typical. I've got the cells from an Ioniq 5 sitting on my porch going through some capacity tests, and that pack will do 0-80% in 18 minutes. Manufacturers have been toying with <10-minute charge times for a while, though I'm not aware of any current models that can actually do that yet.

>>937426964
>Electricity is much higher if they're not playing the rate games and subsidies

So is gasoline.

The difference is, I can't make gas in my backyard (ignoring biodiesel). I CAN install a few solar panels and effectively eliminate the fuel cost of my commute.

Moreover, if you're going to point out government involvement, you're conflating the issues with EV technology itself and the political issues surrounding it. No shit there are political issues directly impacting EVs. There are political issues impacting every facet of the energy sector. Petroleum-powered vehicles are far from exempt from this. Thinking that the supply chain/ethical issues regarding lithium or rare-earth mining is somehow inextricable from EVs is as smoothbrain as thinking ICE-powered cars necessitate various human rights violations (UAE/Saudi Arabia), pollution, or general corporate corruption (the entire oil industry). That's not how it has to be, that's just how it is.

There's also the important distinction that EVs don't necessarily require batteries in the first place. Some future breakthrough in fuel cell technology or some unseen leap in series hybrids could just come out of nowhere and completely eliminate all the downsides to battery electric vehicles overnight. While highly unlikely, that's not even a realistic possibility for ICEs.

I road tripped in a Tesla and we didn’t have to stop once :( course it was just Colorado to Wyoming

>>937428496
I have this thing called a gas tank. No testing or balancing needed. I'll drive almost 500 miles and stop 5 minutes in Oregon where I'll take a leak inside while the guy fills up my car.
>I CAN install a few solar panels and effectively eliminate the fuel cost of my commute
Holy shit dude, you'd need a small farm to charge a 72 kw/h pack over a few days. I have a 6 kw/h system on my roof. What would that take, like a week and a half?
>No shit there are political issues directly impacting EVs
They wouldn't exist without government involvement. The only thing that gets more special treatment is a single black mom.
>Petroleum-powered vehicles are far from exempt from this.
Gas gets no direct subsidies. Gas actually gets shit on with all kinds of regulation and taxes and made up CO2 nonsense.
>Some future breakthrough in fuel cell technology
Something magnificent would have to happen. We're stuck with lithium-based cells and there's nowhere to go as far as lighter elements with free electrons. Hydrogen is a non-starter. Nuclear-anything is too heavy. You'll end up returning back to gasoline, like "wait, the Earth gave us this liquid that produces many times more energy than needed to acquire it? Why haven't we been using that?".
>that's not even a realistic possibility for ICEs
Gas engines are now around 35-40% efficient. That means at lest 60% could be improved. They get more efficient every year. EV was maxed out a long time ago. You're stuck with all that weight and size. And why? You get a crappier, more expensive car that doesn't excel at anything but going fast straight. It's old tech that failed over 100 years ago and they're trying to breathe new life into them for some unknown reason.

>>937422535 (OP)
this is a moronic question designed to waste the time of other morons

>>937422535 (OP)
Kinda. Only if the shares aren't more than $5 each.

A Black man has been thr victim of white police brutality

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>>937428994
Would you invest your hard earned money into a company like Tesla knowing they’re successful to build your own money

>>937422535 (OP)
Of course, that's how you make money, poorfag retard

>>937428991
>you'd need a small farm to charge a 72 kw/h pack over a few days.

Why would you need to charge a pack that big every few days? At 300Wh/mi, you'd have to be driving ~70 miles/day to be using that much energy. Ironically, anyone doing that is arguably the prime candidate for a solar/EV combo (assuming they're in an area where solar is practical). A 70-mile commute is going to be burning anywhere from $200 - $500/month in gas.

More realistically, a 20-mile round-trip commute would only require 6kWh/day for a typical grocery-getter. Or, if you've got a short commute like mine (call it 8 miles) and drive conservatively in a light EV like my old Leaf (which did 200Wh/mi city driving), you would only need 1.6kWh/day. Obviously I'm on the low end of the bell curve, but a single 400W panel would just about cover that commute cost. You absolutely don't need "a small farm".

>They wouldn't exist without government involvement.

You cannot make that claim with certainty. Not as a blanket statement, anyway. There's no doubt that development wouldn't have been as rapid, but there's absolutely no reason to assume that EVs would never become commercially viable without government intervention. For fuck's sake, some of the FIRST EVER cars were electric. In a vacuum, a BEV outperforms an equivalent gas vehicle in every way except range. EVs powered by fuel cells don't even have that (specific) problem.

Even you seem to be implicitly admitting that the entirety of the modern EV's faults hinge entirely on the battery, NOT the fact that it's electric. To re-iterate: There ARE plenty of valid concerns surrounding the state of BEV technology. But those concerns are not nherent to the technology itself.

>>937430160
So money means more than your principles?

>>937430160
This guy gets it.

>>937430240
Yes, absolutely

>>937430292
But why?

>>937430240
Making money is one of my principles, so I would be going against my principles by not making money.

>>937430370
Because poop

>>937430370
Because money lets me buy copious amounts of pokemon trading cards

>>937430408
I can’t argue that

>>937428991
>Something magnificent would have to happen.
No, batteries just have to get cheaper, and there are any number of avenues down which that could happen. You cannot look at something like an Ioniq, Tesla, or Leaf, and tell me there's anything that makes them fundamentally worse than anything else on the lot. They're "good enough", and have more straightforward paths for improvement.

Don't get me wrong: As is, there's certainly a LOT wrong with them (Tesla especially), but not things that aren't endemic to pretty much modern automobiles.

>Gas gets no direct subsidies.
No, but the industry itself still gets nearly as much as the military.

>>937428991
>Gas engines are now around 35-40% efficient. That means at lest 60% could be improved.
That's not a good thing, nor helpful to your argument. "Hey, I have this technology you can use that's okay for what you want to use it for, but you can improve it a bit with a few million man-hours of R&D", versus "Hey, I have this technology that is effectively right on the limits of thermodynamic perfection, ready to go, and is significantly more reliable than what I just showed you". Why the fuck would you choose the former?

Even if you can somehow close the efficiency gap between an engine and an electric motor, what are the odds it doesn't add a horrendous level of cost and complexity to it? Have you LOOKED at a modern engine and compared it to a carbureted I4 from the 1980s? The cost in terms of R&D and mechanical/electrical complexity to eek out even relatively small efficiency numbers is huge, and we're well into diminishing returns on that front.

A girl like me

Should I plant my garden in square frames, honeycomb frames, or circular frames?

>>937422535 (OP)
I went to college, didn't I?

>>937431869
Honeycomb

>>937431958
Are you saying that you invested in yourself and that you're a company you don't believe in?

4chan is kill

>>937431869
circular

>>937432127
No honeycomb. More aesthetic. I’ll crush you with my thighs

>>937432161
I would like snu snu

>>937422535 (OP)
I prefer one car. The Camaro. It is the perfect car. In the classic LT1 scheme it looks like a European car rather than truly American. It has style and class if it had a spoiler added to the backend.

I own a white LT1 in manual and it is the coolest car, and I hardly want an SS. The LT1 is just a cool arbiter: it has the front end of a beautiful V6 but the engine of an SS.

Chevy should offer the best in every category and also not offer so many options because the LT1 made from 2020 to 2024 has the best looking front end of a Camaro for quite a while. It just looks European, which I like.

brutal canoo

>>937432250
What's a good book to learn about cars? I'm thinking of buying this

soft canoo

>>937432345
Don't. Learn it by natural exposure. You learn to hear the differences in engine. I would never suggest you work much on your car for deep problems anymore.

I like the LT1 because it looks like a V6 in the front end and I think the 2020+ years look European. Ignore all the old cars like Skyline, etc. The LT1 goes from 0-60 in 4 seconds in auto and 4.3 seconds in manual.

Buy a Camaro. They didn't sell enough, but I was a huge fan. I love the 2020-2024 LT1 front end. It looks European - hardly American. That's probably why it didn't sell

>>937432250
Perfect car? How can you road trip with a family of 5

what in the chat bot is going on here

>>937432345
not sure about books, but the perlinger archive are pretty good lots of crap has had their views boosted due to dumb ai so it is a bit of slog getting to the good stuff. their are a quite a few millitary mechanics training videos that should get you a jumpstart on multiple facets of vehicles from air boundary layers to synthetic rubber. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prelinger_Archives

U.S. army training vids are great, U.S. PSA are good too

>>937432568
>their
did you mean there?

>>937432593
i don't think that's a real anon and i think it's chat bots talking to eachother

5minute no reply to a simple question means it's a chat bot

josh raped me when I was 7

>>937422535 (OP)
No if I didn't believe the company existed why would I invest in it?

>>937432537
Dead internet theory

bot thread

>>937432788
Are you okay?

>>937432802
it's not a theory it was proven there's so many bots on 4chan

>>937432750
Poop chat bot

>>937432814
obviously not. it's all his fault I cut my benis off.

I got evicted

>>937432981
i bet thats joshs fault too

>>937432628
the kettle is black

>>937432909
I feel for you
>>937433078
100% it’s Josh’s fault

>>937433078
in regards to the actual question, i think i would invest.

>>937432161
circular because it wastes more space in between circles and I think it'll be funny to waste someone else's space.

>>937433208
i know it's obvious now but sometimes you feel the need to say something

How did Nuri develop Munchausen syndrome?

>>937432127
this, fill wasted space with water for a wicking garden bed.

>>937422535 (OP)
Everyone does this. National corporations invest the money they get from sales into things that half of the country would find repulsive. And yet they continue to do so, mostly cuz people are ignorant, and want the product more than worrying about the ethics of the situation.
Ahh, the lazy west.