Why is there something rather than nothing?

And no, you can't just say "God did it."

We live in a simulation.

>>937604128
Same problem. Who made the simulation, and why do they exist rather than nothing existing?

>>937604115 (OP)
Why not?
>and then, there was everything

>>937604115 (OP)
Because nothing doesn't exist

>>937604436
Sure it does. If you go past the edge of the material universe you'd probably find an infinite amount of nothing.

>>937604479
>edge
There is no edge

infinite amount of zero might be something
depends on the limits applied

>>937604505
>There is no edge
Then explain this.

>>937604545
badass, as long as it isn't the gay kind of purple

>>937604115 (OP)
>And no, you can't just say "God did it."
How could you expect me to deny the truth?

>>937604759
Nigga where tf did God come from? Even if he did create the universe, we're back at square one.

only stupid niggers believe in something like their fucking gods are you a faggot?

>>937604115 (OP)
Pretend that there are millions of universes that are created. Some of them are unstable, and matter cannot college. There is nothing but chaos and energy, violent explosions and galaxy sized fires. Others, maybe just a few, have beginnings that happen to lead to rules and levels that make matter possible in such a way that you not only create islands of stability - matter - but you even get life.

In which type of universe will someone sit and wonder "why is it something rather than nothing?"

>>937604785
Eternal beings don't have a beginning.

>>937605915
>pic rel
Are you euphoric in this moment? Perhaps without a deity, but instead with your own mind?

>>937606047
>college
Coalesce. Goddamn autocorrect took one perfectly fine english word and turned it into another that we happen to sometimes use in Norwegian x|

>>937604115 (OP)
because there just happened to be slightly more matter than antimatter

>>937606078
>Eternal beings don't have a beginning.
Total cop-out. You literally just gave up lmao.

HOW can he not have a beginning? You can't just say "It's true because it just is."

>>937606101
Where did the matter and antimatter come from?

>>937606227
The starting positions of this universe.

>>937606608
I don't know what that means.

>>937604115 (OP)
Yes I can say God did it because it is True and you know it, that is how you understand the ability to deny, because you do know, you are designed that way

>>937604115 (OP)
Look at it this way. If we can actually conceive something in an infinite universe, then the actuality of it ispossible

>>937606641
God is just such an incredibly boring explanation.
"Where did God from?"
>He just exists
"How did he create the universe?"
>He just did
It's just such a thought-terminating line of thinking so I'm really not interested.

>>937606756
Not so long ago, If You kept asking the question you would face torture and death. Now they're trying to force society back in the same direction.

>>937606635
Everything about our universe, down to the laws of physics and what dimensions are possible, are artifacts of the exact circumstance of the energy at t=0, colloqially known as "The Big Bang".
The balancing forces of matter and antimatter is one of the reasons that we exist. Without it the universe would have too much gravity and would have folded in on itself billions of years ago, starting a new universe in the process.
And nobody would sit in that universe and wonder "why" anything, because the universe wouldnt be stable enough to allow for life.

>>937606930
So are you talking about the anthropic principle? i.e. "The improbability of intelligent life emerging shouldn't surprise us, since if it hadn't happened we wouldn't be around to wonder about it."

Sorry if I'm misunderstanding you, but that seems like it's more of a rationale for how something so improbable could happen but no so much an explanation for how it could be possible in the first place.

I once heard someone say if fifty expert marksman all took aim at you and fired at point blank range, and every single one of them missed, you probably wouldn't think "I shouldn't wonder how they missed because if they hadn't, I wouldn't be around to think about it." It would at the very least present a mystery.

>>937607059
I get you, but you are butting up against one of our biggest problems in physics: what was before t=0.

From that point we can explain most things, but before the actual start of the universe not only dont we have any knformation, its a fair chance that any knowledge beyond that point is impossible.
So we cannot find any actual information about "why" for the universe itself, we only have speculation. And speculation without information is just baseless guessing.

>>937607168
Honestly, I don't expect to get the actual answer from a thread on /b/, I just want to see what people can come up with. I'm okay with baseless speculation as long as it's at least entertaining.

>>937606756
not as boring as you asking "why life?"

>>937604115 (OP)
Something exists because there is nothing.

>>937607310
I'm asking "What doth life?"

Get it right.

>>937607422
Same thing

>>937607248
I imagine there is a bigger universe - like magnitudes bigger. One where our little universe is a speck. The total energy of our universe is small flame, and our number of dimensions strangely stunted. And in this mega universe something violent happens. Some entity slaps another, and in that slap is enough force to create our universe in the folds of their higher dimensions, frome spare energy in the slap.

And our universe is not just what we see now, but a near endless set of expansions and retractions until, by chance, our little explosion creates a stable area of diffused energy. In our one dimension of time this is a billion billion billion years, billions of big bangs. It might as well be forever. But for this other mega dimension, with their three time dimensions it is so fast that it is undetectable. Not only does it go by unnoticed. It can never be noticed.

>>937604785
Thats why God is God, God would die inside of us the moment people can explain it.

>>937607602
Okay let's start explaining so we can kill that mf.

>>937604115 (OP)
There is and always was "Something" - the shape just changes. The Universe is part of an infinitely stacked amount of realities accessible through Black Holes. Our Universe exists within a supermassive one. As matter cannot be created or destroyed, only transformed, we are just in an endless cycle of birth, death, birth, death. One day your matter will return to the Universe and time will cease to have meaning. What comes next is like getting off the train at the next station.

>>937608657
>There is and always was
How can you speak with such conviction about something that hasn't been proven? You should accept that we are either not yet at the stage of testable science or may never reach it.

Maybe when we say God doesn't exist, what we really mean is that God is nonexistence.

>>937608657
Maybe I’m being too forceful with the >>937608778 "you should" comments.
>What comes next is like stepping off the train at the next station.
"Next" might suggest continuity, but I don’t believe our consciousness has any. We simply emerge, exist in the moment, and disappear, all from nothing into nothing. This might be why we feel close to God>>937609745

Our entire "reality" began from beings from a higher reality. Some people refer to this as God. Our perception of time is much quicker than the higher beings, one fraction of a blink of their eye would be equivalent to our realities lifespan. The higher beings also have higher beings than them. This cycle continues downwards as new universes are created beneath us and die above us. The original reality however, is long dead. It all started with the

>>937610118
>exist in the moment
This is also an illusion, we don't exist at any specific moment.

>>937604115 (OP)
God did it.

>>937604115 (OP)
your error, is assuming there is a "why".

there is no reason, because reason requires intent or thought.
There simply is the presence of existence. The question then is not "why", it is "how". What is the cause of the earth. accretion of gas as dusty material around the early sun forming a planet. and so on, down through all the turtles to the "how does the universe expand out from a singularity".

And the simple, honest answer to that is, we don't know. Beware of people who tell you they have the answers to everything. They usually have something to sell you. We don't know the exact cause. We don't know the exact processes that sparked life. we don't know a lot of things. True enlightenment is accepting and understanding that there are things we as a species of primate on a single rocky world in one remote corner of the universe do not have the absolute answers to - and we might never fully find those answers - or they might come after you and I are long dead.

>>937604115 (OP)
The way I see it, if there was nothing there'd be nothing to talk about. There being something means we can wonder about it. There isn't a reason or even a first cause, it just "is".

>>937611176
Nothing isn't an extension of your emotional attachment, though.

>>937604115 (OP)
When you say there is something, you are implying it could be different. So you should ask yourself why there is something instead of this imaginary other possibility your conjuring up.

>>937604479
>past the edge
I believe the universe is finite, but unbounded.

Imagine a 2d universe that is curved through 3d space into the shape of a sphere. A 2d creature in that universe would see no "edge" and yet, their universe would be finite.

>>937604785
Here's the thing about god
he's only god to you and me
in his world he is a slave to the physics of his domain - his coffee cup falls and breaks, he has to get a new one

You know what else doesn't exist? Nothing.

>>937604115 (OP)
I think we cant understand. We're too limited by our nature like a monkey couldnt understand a steam engine.

>>937612888
In the next stage of evolution, we might achieve greater understanding. Will it be a hybrid with AI or something more organic, I wonder. (If Evolution is even real)

>>937604115 (OP)
>Why is there something rather than nothing?
I don't know.
>And no, you can't just say "God did it."
I mean I could, but it wouldn't be a satisfactory or correct to say that.

>>937604115 (OP)
>Why is there something rather than nothing?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSZ_fsG5uMg

>>937613497
"Smart" people often struggle to accept that they can't answer certain questions because they become too caught up in competition, even if its with God.

>>937613663
>"Smart" people often struggle to accept that they can't answer certain questions

Who are you talking about? Richard Dawkins or the people asking these questions.

>>937613852
Richard Dawkins.

>>937613663
Huh, that is an incredibly convenient explanation for you.
Then you can just dismiss anyone arguing against your faith, as someone trying to compete with god and terminate any further thinking that their words might induce in you.

>>937613929
If you are going make claims about him like that, you really need some evidence that supports your claims to be convincing in any way.

>>937613929

I don't see Richard Dawkins agonizing about "Why this? Why that?" It's always people who want to hear "God did it", who ask them.

>>937614013
I thought the video was convincing enough compared to what has been said on this thread.

>>937604115 (OP)
Because if there wasnt, you couldn't ask that question.

>>937614119
You think that video is convincingly showing that he is competing with god?

>>937614192
Yeah, based on what’s been discussed in this thread, it seems like he’s avoiding the question to some extent.

>>937614192
If the only person he's competing with is your imaginary friend, then he wins by default.
No matter how shit his answer was.

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>>937614250
He was handed a question that no one has the means to answer or even provide solid evidence for. He then explained why it was unreasonable to expect him to be able to answer it.
He didn't avoid the question at all or compete with god for that matter either.
>>937614322
I think you might have linked the wrong post anon, I'm not the theist anon.

>>937604115 (OP)
The reasons are unknown, and there likely won't be a physical explanation in our lifetime.

Nevertheless, our ability to trace the history of the universe so far back is a significant accomplishment in itself.

>>937604115 (OP)
>Why?
Why not?

>>937614550
Alright, that’s your interpretation, but I still stand by my perspective. As I mentioned, people addressed the question in this thread, but he was responsible for providing the evidence. While he acknowledges this responsibility, he fails to deliver and instead deflects with humor and passive aggressiveness.

>>937614719
>Alright, that’s your interpretation, but I still stand by my perspective.
Huh neat, a bad faith theist.
>As I mentioned, people addressed the question in this thread, but he was responsible for providing the evidence.
Links to those posts please?
>but he was responsible for providing the evidence.
Of what?
>While he acknowledges this responsibility, he fails to deliver and instead deflects with humor and passive aggressiveness.
Richard Dawkins has never claimed to know why the Universe exists and what purpose it has. Asking him to answer that question is unreasonable, because no human has ever been able to correctly answer it or provide the evidence needed to show that their answer is correct.

>>937614948
Ok, these
>>937607602
>>937608778
>>937609745
>>937610118
>>937611025
>>937611329

>>937615047
Those are either people arguing back and forth or anons waxing philosophical on the concept of god.
None of them make strong claims about knowing why there is something rather than nothing and none of them credit Richard Dawkins as their source for a claim like that.
I fail to see how you've gotten to your interpretation of that short clip based on them.

>>937615047
You don't think they are capable of addressing the question of what God's role is in our current psyche? I wasn't referring to giving credit to Richard Dawkins but rather pointing out that he was avoiding the question of God because he was flabbergasted by the inability to quantify God scientifically. One is calm and composed about the issue, while the other is, figuratively speaking, in a state of loud distress.

>>937615450
Oh meant it for, >>937615260

>>937615450
>You don't think they are capable of addressing the question of what God's role is in our current psyche?
They might well be both willing and perfectly able to argue back and forth and pontificate on that subject.
But that is a conversation about psychology in relation to faith and what benefits and detriments a person might derive from believing in god or not.
>I wasn't referring to giving credit to Richard Dawkins but rather pointing out that he was avoiding the question of God because he was flabbergasted by the inability to quantify God scientifically.
Well he's remarkably normal in being unable to quantify god in any way, scientifically, theologically or otherwise. Every single person on this planet is in that position.
>One is calm and composed about the issue, while the other is, figuratively speaking, in a state of loud distress.
You see what you are invested in seeing.

>>937604115 (OP)
I get up, I do stuff, I go to sleep. One day I won’t get up.

Don't care, life is pointless so the only thing that keeps me going is the pursuit of happiness for me and everyone I care about.
Which explains why my wife and 3 daughters want for nothing and I'm a fat fuck who regularly jack off with his daughter's vibrator, I suppose.

>>937616284
>who regularly jack off with his daughter's vibrator
I hope you clean it before and after you use it anon.

>>937616330
I suck it before I use it and wipe most of the cum off afterwards if that counts

>>937616373
It doesn't and you are allowing yourself to act like a bad father.

>>937615840
There's no reason to act that way when you could just address the issue psychologically rather than not trying at all. (He kind of used low effort humor.)

>>937616871
It was a low effort question, because the only thing any honest person can answer to it is "I don't know".
Joking it off because it is a silly question that can't be answered as of yet is reasonable.

>>937604115 (OP)
>you cant just say god did it
Why? Because YOU said so? What makes you think you define the rules here? Where does arrogance like this originate?

>>937617054
I believe the people I mentioned who answered those questions were honest as well. I don't think the questioner in the video considered his effort to be low level. Giving your best to answer a question you're supposedly prepared for is just common courtesy.

>you can't just say "God did it."

GOD DID IITTTTTTTTTTTT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>937611040
its true doe

>>937617293
We're way out in the weeds anon, while Richard could have shown more courtesy, he didn't evade by explaining that the question couldn't be answered and that it was unreasonable to ask him a question you know he can't answer.

galaxies are playthings of god, which are like saying fleshlights are playthings of man

>>937618051
Deity sperm made the milky way.

>>937604115 (OP)
"Nothing" cannot exist.
If it did exist, it would be something and not "nothing".

>>937617232
anons fruitlessly debating over things they scarcely understand in this thread but cannot even answer where arrogance comes from

Belief is the key to creating reality. And the human soul responds to vibration and emotion to make this happen.

Words make belief work. If I give you a compliment, you feel good about yourself if the compliment is sincere, and that subtle manipulation ripples into every reaction you have with people from that point on. You believed something I said about you and made it part of your DNA.

Alternately, if I tore you down, and you believed the things I said about you that aren't true, but FEEL true—belief becomes doubt, and your emotions rule your responses until you quell that doubt. Anger, jealousy, disillusionment. You fight back against insults because it defies your beliefs.

So with this example of how belief can affect us, imagine what it can do when we collectively believe in something as a species. We create Gods, system, structure to keep ourselves entertained and given a sense of purpose. We innovate when we believe in ourselves and we collapse when we lose sight of what we believe in.

Continue or am I just schizo?

>>937618759
No, no, you make perfect sense, pleae continue.

>>937604115 (OP)
The universe did and has been expanding for a long time now. But I do not know what caused the expansion (explosion?) to happen.

>>937619154
We did.
You see time is a loop and humans are destined to conquer the universe, and at the end of time create it anew.

>>937606214
Something outside of time doesn’t start or end

>>937619266
Local time or extrauniversal time?

>>937618865
So to explain *gestures around wildly* THIS, we have to go microscopic. I want you to image what life, or rather, existence, looks like for a tardigrade.

Tardigrades can grow up to .5 millimeters in length, live through intense heat and intense cold. They adapt, but they can only perform the two functions they developed. Hunt and Rest. Their universe is a vast body of water that they will never explore the full enormity of. They will never know about the moon or Gods, and I doubt very much that they care at all about any of it.

The reason I bring up tardigrades is because despite their alien apperance, despite having no eyes and ears in which to see and hunt, they react to vibration.

If belief is the key to understanding reality, knowing that everything is made up of vibration is the door that key unlocks.

Let's say, for sake of arguement, that the Big Bang, the cosmic explosion that is theorized to have created the known universe, let's say that actually happened.

What IS a big bang? And why do we assume that the resonance from it ever stopped?

>>937619474
>What was Big Bang
Personally, I feel that the big bang is a distraction to prevent us from understanding that nothingness was the true reality.

>>937619474

So the Big Bang happens. That Shockwave sends out unfathomable amounts of energy into the great yonder, and at first there is nothing, because nothing has vibrated together yet.

Molecules and atoms do their thing, vibrating close together as the proverbial dust settles over infinite time. And after infinite time, matter begins to form from the vibration of atoms and molecules settling near one another. Over more infinite time, that matter picks up more matter, and becomes a rock, let's say. And so on and so on.

Vibration begets magnetism.
Magnetism begets attraction.
Attraction begets form.
Form begets meaning.
Meaning begets awareness.
Awareness begets will.
And will begins the cycle anew—
as vibration.

>>937619577
Nothingness COULD be the true reality. I like to think of it like a filtration system.

>>937619976
Personally, I believe that our true reality is where we go when we dream.

Has to be.

Belief carries over from our waking reality to the reality of our dreams and vise versa.

We draw inspiration from our dreams in the form of thoughts. We take our ideas from those thoughts and create the modern world. Every road exists because someone thought there should be an easier way of getting around. Every highway exists because someone innovated that original road concept.

And this is important, because its what we as a species do. We build off of ideas, innovate, create, inspire. No one idea is original. Someone more clever simply took it and refreshed it, owning it. Someday, if the idea is good enough, someone will improve on that as well.

Thread's dead so Ill just end with this.

The universe is a song. The secret of life is simply legacy and experience.

>>937618494

that's ... actually a pretty good answer