Thread 937952795

I'm into shota and I have no problem with loli but these arguments are retarded. Lolisho aren't intended as depictions of children? That's just obviously not true and anyone would be able to tell from reading a lolisho doujin. Do they actually expect this argument to convince anyone?

>>937953686
You must think Sonic is real too.

I jack off to drawings of burly men fucking other burly men in the ass, but I'm not gay because they're drawings.
You're retarded. The only argument you can realistically make is that they aren't automatically child molesters, but you're 100% a pedo if your lizard brain is activated by loli or shota.

>>937954120
>antis are actually faggots
checks out

>>937954260
>no argument, ur gay lol
I'm not even "an anti" I'm just calling you retarded. Go jack off to loli instead of posting twitter posts of nobodies.

>>937954304
>everyone i dont like is the same person
its common knowledge that lolibros hate pedoniggers
why dont YOU go back to jerking off to "burly men" faggot

>>937954483
I'm not a faggot, they're drawings

>>937954534
but by your own logic youre calling yourself gay
sorry faggot im not buying it

>>937954564
Wow it's almost like you're getting it, good job

>>937952795 (OP)
L take rope yourself pedo

>>937954624
but i agree with you, theyre just drawings
youre the one saying jerking off to them makes you gay
make up your mind

All of these posts are nothing more than 100% BULLSHIT!
Make up any excuse you want, but there are too many artists in the so called Lolicon community that that put out 3D AI/CGI art that almost make their characters look like human children.
Ask yourself why that is......

>>937954783
Its just polygons and shaders bro

>>937953888
Whatever dumb ass. This argument doesn't work because you're already ceding ground to the idea that there is something morally objectionable about consenting adults sexually fetishizing aesthetics of childhood. Keep repeating this argument and see how many people you actually convince.

>>937954885
i like how he just completely ignores the point of the post and doubles down on copium lmao

>>937952795 (OP)
>look up "loli" on esix
>oh hell no
>dick recoils, shrivels up
thank god, I guess??

The cope in these screencaps is hilarious

>>937952795 (OP)
>everybody's a pedo
no, DEATH TO TRUMPPEDOS

>>937955198
>The lolicon community has almost no pedo problem
oh thank god, i was worried for a second

>>937955332
If you're all pedos in a community about art depicting children getting fucked, I guess there is no problem.

"Actual pedophiles" getting outed by the "lolisho community" is just retaliation for breaking code of conduct. Everyone knows what it is, but having people openly say they're attracted to kids is a surefire way to bring the whole ship down.
Just jacking off to drawings officer, nothing to see here!

>>937955588
the way i see it is like is like a community of impossible whopper enthusiasts who vehemently hate carnivores
yet they constantly claim impossible whoppers look nothing like cheeseburgers at all instead of admitting they just want a "safe alternative" thats designed to mimic "the real thing" in virtually every way

>>937952795 (OP)
>generalization
>conflation
>this amount of cope
Damn, this is pathetic. I'll pronounce this thread a loli thread.
>lolis don't look like children
Then what do they look like? Buff men? lol

>>937954840
That as it may be, that was not the point I was/am trying to make.
All of these posts are basically saying the same thing, i.e.
>They're just drawings
>They're not based on real people
>Lolicon hate Pedos
>Ad Nauseam
But the fact of the matter is there truly is a fine ine between pedos and the Lolicon community..
I'm merely pointing out that there are quite a few so called lolicon "Artists" tat are using AI/CGI to create characters that DON'T look like cute anime characters, but come awfully close to looking like actual children.

Get pissed off at me all you want, but their popularity is growing.

>>937955900
This is a spam bot thread. They are going to dump a folder of numbered images in order until bump limit.
They have done this shit before. No point in responding. They are not even here. Just dump images so divisive spam thread #4662150 will 404 faster.

>>937955588
>>937955696
Pretty much my take as well. Some of the "lolis aren't children, you pedo" crowd sound just as deranged as the "anime is for pedos, ban it" idiots. I don't want to accuse them, but I wouldn't be surprised to read a headline about them, the same way transphobic conservatives are found with trans hookers, homophobic priests are caught with gay porn on their PC, and anti-lolicon politicians are convicted of child rape.
Btw, why do all the vegan/vegetarian burgers look and taste so much like meat-based burgers? Have some dignity and make it look and taste plant-based.

>>937956122
This isn't a spambot thread. I'm merely showcasing the ideology of the ACTUAL lolicon community. Pedophiles are the ones who are divisive. That's why you poison our community at every turn.

The science is settled. Unless basemen-dwelling predators on 4chan somehow know more than professional psychologists.

>>937956257
Then you're doing a shit job. Some of your screenshots are of the most defensive takes on the internet.

>>937956386
Because kodocons are constantly under attack, especially by pedophiles like (You).

>>937952795 (OP)
Lolicons are pedophiles 100%
You can't just say it obviously on social media, so they have to do some artistic coping.

>>937952795 (OP)
Lolicons are 100% pedophiles. They can't just say that on social media obviously, so they have to do some artistic coping.

>>937956350
>The science is settled
Lol. Keep telling yourself that, if it makes you sleep better.
>that screenshot
How are pedos not attracted to appearances? Stop being dumb, that's the defining thing about them. The other aspects of children (weak, easily convinced...) are what divide them from non-pedophilic child rapists.

I couldn't've said it better myself.

>>937956562
Until you can conduct a study that even remotely suggests lolicons are pedophiles, I suggest you shut the fuck up, predator.

>>937956664
>mr totally-not-a-pedo here to educate you about "toddlerhood aesthetic"
You cant make this shit up

>>937956257
You are mentally ill. No one wants to see your spam just because you got triggered. No one regardless of who or what they are wants you here. Take your meds and fuck off pedo.

>>937956753
The choice of wording was a bit yikesy but other than that he's spot on.

>>937956678
lolicons are people who like lolis

>>937956765
Project harder.

>>937956678
Here's a fun experiment you can do, print out some doujins and show them to your family/friends or other people not in your loli bubble. Not only will all of them hurl, ask if this is even legal, or outright sever all ties with you, they all will know what it is when they look at it. This is material for pedos.
You might not be harming children, and have no intention to do so, but one thing is for sure: I would not want you around my children, especially not unsupervised.

>>937956799
Which are fictional characters. Lolicons and pedophiles are like oil and water. A pedophile cannot be a lolicon and a lolicon cannot be a pedophile. Period.

>>937956805
>bandwagon fallacy

wow, spamming shitter posts from some mentally ill troon, you sure showed them anon

>>937956920
You can't argue with the truth.

>>937956678
>"you're a pedo"
>"you're a predator"
>"I'm not a pedo because it's a drawing"
Just wait until one of your loli artists is caught tracing. Have fun figuring out which pics are traced and which aren't.

>>937956678
Here is the study:
If you masturbate to cartoon children, you're a pedophile.

>>937956957
>Just wait until one of your loli artists is caught tracing.
We already went over this:
>>937954990

Stop well-poisoning, predator piece of shit. Stay mad that lolicons will never accept your kind.

>>937956962
We've already been over this. Only pedophiles claim lolis are "cartoon children". You will never be welcome.

>>937956953
Unironically telling us that our eyes are lying to us. I'm happy that some of you have enough morality to only jack it to cartoons but you are what you are and we all know it.

>>937957060
No, we haven't been over this. Just smokescreens to defend your tendencies.

>>937957067
>>937957092
>projecting this hard

>>937957060
They are cartoon children.

Lolicon = Pedophile

>>937957106
By that logic, AI generated CP is just fictional, so you are not a pedophile for masturbating to it neither. It's not a child, it's pixels.

>>937956853
>A person can't like two things at once.
>>937957127
No it does not but OP is equally as stupid so have fun going after each other in a spam thread made by a mentally ill person that is likely a pedo in extreme denial.

>>937957060
>Only pedophiles claim lolis are "cartoon children".
I see. So that's why most of the lolicon doujins I've read where they mentioned an age, they were 18+. Fascinating.

Lolicons are more of a pedophile than Epstein

>>937957174
>mentally ill person that is likely a pedo in extreme denial
he has pocd and hes been doing this shit for years. his brain literally cant tell if hes a pedophile or not so he spends hours and hours obsessively trying to reassure himself. i wouldnt be surprised if most of these didnt have a bad case of it. because it seems like if you truly didnt think you were a pedophile you simply wouldnt care and jerk off to your naked little girl cartoons in peace instead of compulsively debating 24/7

>>937957160
I think the point was the two don't look alike. At least not until you get someone trying to do hyper realism. The fictional characters are noticeably so.
About the only way you can say you are not a pedo when hyper realistic is your thing is if you specifically have a thing for dolls or something similar.

I used to think at least they're just wanking to drawings but this whole arguing that they're not pedos kind of makes me think it's a bit more nefarious. Being so defensive or ignorant about your own behaviors usually indicates either pathological lying or delusion, and that makes you dangerous.

The analogy to furry art is also fitting here. People who jack-off to anthropomorphic art of semi-humanoid characters are jacking off to abstracted animal characteristics. Normies will get off to women wearing cat ears and a tail, but they don't become hysterical and start accusing one another of wanting to fuck real cats. Likewise, normies will get off to school girl outfits and twin tails, but this also doesn't mean they literally want to fuck underage school girls. I still think trying to argue against the normie perspective is retarded though because you're just going to come across as a creep no matter what kek

>>937957273
I don't have POCD but the same people accusing lolicons of being pedophiles are the same people who accuse OCDers of being pedophiles, which is incredibly damaging to their mental health. Sometimes I can't decide who's more evil, antis or pedos. All-around vile people.

>>937953686
they're deeply self hating, cut them some slack for the retardation.

>>937957312
also the furry = zoo canard isnt applicable to loli, a better analogy is feral art where theyre drawn with actual animal proportions

>>937957283
>not until you get someone trying to do hyper realism
Not waterproof logic, I'm afraid. The defining feature of loli art in relation to "of age" anime characters are the aesthetic features, which show the same difference between the real counterparts.

>>937957283
Hyper realistic loli is not pedophilia. It's just fantasy pixels. Only pedoniggers say that and they are not welcomed in the lolicion community.

>>937957273
Kinda thinking the same thing. When lolicons hate being lumped in with pedos it is because they don't want to be mistreated or get their stuff taken away.
It is not normally because they have a hate for a random group that got the short end of the stick despite behaving themselves. They know exactly what that feels like. So aside from the ones doing everything they can show others how much they are not a pedo (Pro Tip: They normally are.) they don't pull this crap much less while being this obsessive about it.

>>937957415
If there was confusion I was not trying to make that point.

>>937957401
Pretty sure I know what you mean. Yeah I get it but its not as if there is a super clear divider between 3d loli and photo realism.

>>937957266
truth nuke

>>937957460
I was just making fun of the whole thread. Lolicons are obvious pedophiles. And I mean actual pedophiles attracted to prepubescents.

>>937952795 (OP)
Lolicons are pedophiles.
FTFY op, because they totally are.
I am really fond of anime and manga, yet I see that lolicons and shotacons are obviously pedophiles trying to hide behind only liking drawn pedophile content.

>>937957565
its only the retards on American Twitter hiding. japanese lolicons openly talk about seeing sexy children in their neighborhoods.

>>937957524
Props for making fun of the thread but that is not true. At least not for all of them. Just think of it as weeb shit. Someone liking an anime woman does not necessarily like real woman. Some people are huge nerds anon. Accept it and move on.

>>937957587
Whether they are American or Japanese, there is only one solution.

if fiction's real where the fuck's my veterans discount for Reach

>>937957606
you are brainwashed by jews

>>937957587
this

>>937957606
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start the clock boys

>>937957642
No, it is not a jewish idea to viscerally hate pedophiles, that is just a natural instinct.
Pedophiles want to hurt kids and normal people want to stop them from doing that and are willing to hurt the pedophiles if necessary.

>>937957626
Haven't seen anyone argue that fiction is real yet, but the attraction is definitely real. These retards would have me believe that when I get hard from pic related, that's not because I'm heterosexual. Absolute delusion at display.

People who pretend that drawings are real people can only do it for two reasons: they're morons unable to separate fantasy from reality, or they're child rapists trying to convince everyone including themselves that what they do is not different from looking at drawings, and at this point I'm not sure the former group even exists.

>>937957731
>Pedophiles want to hurt kids
Only hurtcore fags want to hurt kids.

>>937957626
You consuming drawn pedo materials doesn't have any victims true, but it does show that you're a pedophile.

>>937957741
I wanted to save earth from the Flood. gimme my 20% off muffin, faggot

>>937957757
Pedophilia inherently hurts kids, so pedophiles inherently wants to hurt kids.

>>937957772
yeah I'm a hero in my heart. put the fries in the bag and make that out to vanilla frosty

>>937957731
the greatest white societies in history of greece and rome were very pedophilic and it wasn't until jews took control that things changed. pedophiles do not want to hurt kids, the majority of child rapists are factually not pedophiles. you have been inundated by anti pedophile propaganda from jewish media which has ramped up in intensity in the last 50 years also because it created a great political scapegoat. every scientific study done on the topic has proven inherent harm is a myth.

>>937957800
What are you on about anon?
Are you trying to shame me by implying that I have a job making fast food?
You are aware that you can't shame other people if you are a pedophile, right?

>>937957789
Except if you are a 13yo boy having sex with a 20yo attractive woman. Then it's okay.

>>937957789
>Pedophilia inherently hurts kids
Only if you don't use lube.

>>937957833
lrn2read

>>937957826
>the greatest white societies in history of greece and rome were very pedophilic and it wasn't until jews took control that things changed.
Nice cope pedo anon.
> pedophiles do not want to hurt kids, the majority of child rapists are factually not pedophiles.
Adults engaging sexually with prepubescent children is inherently harmful to said kids and since doing so is statutory rape, any pedophile who has engaged sexually with a kid is automatically a rapist.
>you have been inundated by anti pedophile propaganda from jewish media which has ramped up in intensity in the last 50 years also because it created a great political scapegoat.
No, you are just a tinfoil pedophile retard trying to call me wrong for seeing red at the idea of someone sexually molesting a child.
>every scientific study done on the topic has proven inherent harm is a myth.
I've never seen that claim proven true, all it does is expose who the pedophiles are.

>>937957835
No, that is also wrong and the woman is taking advantage of the kid.

>>937957900
literally no argument lmfao. have fun being niggercattle.

>>937957923
>literally no argument lmfao.
Sure because going "Tha JOOOOOOOOOOOOSS" to everything is such a solid argument.

>>937957835
Probably not nomiefied enough to get the point across. 13 and 17 though...
Society has a severe case of doublethink and pointlessly causes most of its own problems on this topic.
>>937957900
>inherently harmful to said kids and since doing so is statutory rape
>Its illegal so its harmful.
Anon I don't ask much. Just please try not to be such a lemming. Think for yourself for fucks sake. The brain exists to be used.

>>937957960
>Anon I don't ask much. Just please try not to be such a lemming. Think for yourself for fucks sake. The brain exists to be used.
You call me names all you want, if you are supporting pedophilia your opinion of me is void.

>>937957952
all you have to do is look at history with a critical eye. but you're incapable. they literally wrote this all down in plain text.

>>937957993
>all you have to do is look at history with a critical eye. but you're incapable. they literally wrote this all down in plain text.
I know history and you are misrepresenting it.
Go make the world a better place, remove a pedophile from it, either yourself or one of your accomplices or both of you.

>>937957751
>the people who hate child porn cartoons are the REAL pedophiles
theyre both pedophiles pointing the finger ar each other

>>937952795 (OP)
Imagine 4chan, but on your phone, and the jannies are too lazy to do anything.
That's basically this Telegram IMAGEBOARD bot.

>>937957983
Take your plebbit tier memes back where they belong, safe edgy faggot

>>937957751
You're right, drawings aren't real people. Which is why masturbating to them is a perfectly ethical outlet for pedophiles. It's a win win.

>>937958055
I've never used reddit, you go back if my meme seems like that to you.

>>937957983
Its not about support or someones opinion on you.
Your opinion is bot tier. It is obvious you are not thinking for yourself. I don't care what conclusion you come to so long as you actually think.
Stop being such a brain dead dumbass with spoon fed opinions is all I am saying. Even your chipper image is something you picked up from others. Is there even anything that is you within that hollow husk masquerading as an independent person or are you just another NPC programed for belligerence?

Lolicons can't refute this

>>937958108
>Which is why masturbating to them is a perfectly ethical outlet for pedophiles.
It is not ethical to feed into a paraphilia.

>>937957914
No, it's okay, as long as it's consensual.

>>937958115
You must be underage then, "le pedo woodchipper xDDD" reeks of "im 14 and i just discovered dark humor"

>>937958134
But they're just drawings, anon. Small, cute, sweet, sexy drawings of little girls made by and for pedophiles.

>>937958134
the concept of a paraphilia is some wrongthink tier nonsense.

>>937958129
Fuck off asshat, just because my opinion and reaction to pedophiles is angry and visceral, doesn't mean it isn't thought through.
I've got kids in my near family and the idea of an adult infringing on them sexually, makes me contemplate how to most efficiently take said person out permanently.
I know people who have been molested like that and I've seen what it does to them.
These are my reasons for hating pedophiles, not because some jew told me "Pedophilia is bad M'kay".

>>937958204
And there's no logical reason why pedophilia and zoophilia are "paraphilias" but homosexuality and transgenderism aren't. It's feels-based classification.

>>937958217
>imagines an evil rapist
>projects onto normal people
>yes i am very smart

>>937958217
OK, so leave drawings alone and pedos can have an ethical outlet. Problem solved.

/b/ has spoken:
-Lolicons are pedophiles
-Pedophilia is okay

>>937958169
You are supporting my point wood chipper bait.
>>937958204
Wrong.
>>937958228
It's based on consent, kids and animals can't consent so trying to fuck them is bad, it's as simple as that.

>>937958217
the majority of child molesters arent even pedophiles
you dont know shit faggot

what the fuck are you people talking about?
the Jews want to legalize pedophilia

>>937958228
exactly correct. most people have moved on from thinking of lgbt as paraphilia but not yet other things. this is because most people are npcs who think what they are told to.

>>937958142
children can't consent.

>>937958262
why can't they? 95% of brain development has occured at age 5. you're just a tyrant who hates individual liberty.

>>937958243
No, that is still not true.
>>937958266
Pedophiles inherently hurt kids if they engage with the kids as they wish to. So yeah active pedophiles are child molesters.

>>937958262
>It's based on consent
That still makes no sense. Pedophilia and zoophilia are no different than sexual orientations like homosexuality or bisexuality, from a psychological standpoint. Paraphilias are essentially fetishes. Pedophilia and zoophilia work more like "age orientation" or "species orientation". Again, it's based on feelings, not logic.

>>937958304
>why can't they? 95% of brain development has occured at age 5. you're just a tyrant who hates individual liberty.
Your brain doesn't do consequence thinking well until you're about 25, so you are wrong on that. Protecting children is not hate of individual liberty.

>>937958310
did you read what i said retard? only a minority of child molesters are pedophiles. most child molesters are closer to (you) than maps. this has been documented for decades now, look it up if you dont believe me.

>>937958259
>Pedophilia is okay
Kill yourself

>>937958310
Someone in Australia served 8 years for having cartoon porn of Lisa Simpson. You're advocating for a world where people go to prison over Simpsons fanart. Think about how absolutely silly that sounds.

>>937958337
you're only protecting them from valuable learning experiences and fufilling relationships. if you wanted to protect them from rapists you would keep them away from rapists. not pedophiles who love and value and would never do anything to hurt kids. i guarantee you most schoolteachers are pedophiles. the only ones that aren't are the ones who hate kids. but tell me how thats evil

>>937958279
They can. It's just not accepted as valid. A child consenting to sexual activity and a child being raped are different things even if the law is retarded and claims it's the same.

>>937958408
this is the obvious logical conclusion from the varying accounts and outcomes of sexual experiences in childhood based on mutual willingness of participants. backed up by actual science saying inherent harm is nonsense.

>>937958389
>you're only protecting them from valuable learning experiences and fufilling relationships.
I'll repeat myself, I know several people who were subjected to monsters like you when they were kids and they all had emotional scars from it and issues that made their adult life harder, just because some idiots in their childhoods were unable to understand that their attractions are inappropriate and harmful.
> not pedophiles who love and value and would never do anything to hurt kids.
Your loving and valuing of kids will traumatize said kids anon, just because you are incapable of understanding how different ages affects cognition, doesn't mean that you should be allowed to fuck up kids.
>i guarantee you most schoolteachers are pedophiles. the only ones that aren't are the ones who hate kids. but tell me how thats evil
You're delusional and coping hard anon.

>>937958484
i can go to anecdote city too. go on newgon. near hundreds of accounts of people who turned out perfectly fine after having consensual sex. rape is the enemy. nothing more.

>>937958448
Sex isn't inherently harmful to children, power imbalances are. It's not harmful if it's between two similarly-aged children, but when you add a fat sweaty middle aged man to the mix it's a recipe for disaster. Plus, while it IS true that societal attitudes play a role in harm, you'd basically have to rearrange society to be ancient Polynesia or something, which is impossible. If a pedophile genuinely had a child's best interest at heart and out their needs first, then MAYBE it wouldn't be nearly as harmful. But we all know you just want to use them as fleshlights.

>>937958520
Just because you can find exceptions to the rule, doesn't mean that the rule is invalid, even if some kids aren't hurt by pedophilia, the risk that some kids would get hurt should be enough to outlaw it under all circumstances.

>>937958484
>monsters like you
wrong, monsters like YOU
most child molesters are attracted to adults
this is a well documented phenomenon
get your facts right faggot

>>937958566
You know, just because you keep repeating that lie, it doesn't make it true.

>>937958520
You're right, many people do turn out fine. But many don't, and the reasons are irrelevant. You're taking a gamble on a child's life just so you can fulfill your desires. You can't realistically tell me you look at little Amy over there who's pooping her pants and can't even count to 10 and think diddling her is "teaching her valuable life experience" or whatever. Be real

>>937958547
>If a pedophile genuinely had a child's best interest at heart and out their needs first, then MAYBE it wouldn't be nearly as harmful.
would you be interested to find out putting their needs first and everything else said is literally in the pedophile's creed? you should lay off the propaganda tying them to child rapists. which as mentioned by the other anon are mostly not pedos btw.

>>937958547
Sex is only harmful because we are told to be ashamed of our bodies when we are little kids. That's the reason a leaked sexual picture can ruin someone's life, specially minors. I think we would live in a better society if we ditched the concept of sexual shame.

>>937958561
>because some batteries explode, we should outlaw them all.
no. we implement safety features and create an environment conducive to the benefits and counter to the risks. AKA: you stop treating evil child rapists and honest good hearted pedophiles as if they're the same thing.

>>937958591
>The term pedophile is commonly used by the public to describe all child sexual abuse offenders.[7][11] This usage is considered problematic by researchers, because many child molesters do not have a strong sexual interest in prepubescent children, and are consequently not pedophiles.[10][11][22] >There are motives for child sexual abuse that are unrelated to pedophilia,[78] such as stress, marital problems, the unavailability of an adult partner,[95] general anti-social tendencies, high sex drive or alcohol use.[2]:4 As child sexual abuse is not automatically an indicator that its perpetrator is a pedophile, offenders can be separated into two types: pedophilic and non-pedophilic[96] (or preferential and situational).[8] >Estimates for the rate of pedophilia in detected child molesters generally range between 25% and 50%.[97] A 2006 study found that 35% of its sample of child molesters were pedophilic.[98] >Pedophilia appears to be less common in incest offenders,[2]:123 especially fathers and step-fathers.[99] According to a U.S. study on 2429 adult male sex offenders who were categorized as "pedophiles", only 7% identified themselves as exclusive; indicating that many or most child sexual abusers may fall into the non-exclusive category.[9]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedophilia#Epidemiology
you can go and read through all the sources if you want. maybe you have some valid criticisms but it doesnt change the fact that this has been shown time and time again for decades

>>937958597
>is literally in the pedophile's creed?
Pedophilia isn't an ideology anon, it's a mental illness.
Also if pedophiles really wanted the best for children, they wouldn't be trying to date and fuck them.

>>937958639
>evil child rapists and honest good hearted pedophiles

>>937958597
>>937958616
It doesn't really matter at the end of the day. No amount of "debate" will reduce your prison sentence. You can get people on board with all kinds of things, no matter how extreme. But people universally draw the line at adult-child sex, and that likely won't ever change.

>>937958651
bisexuality is also not an ideology but there is a bisexual manifesto. this is because when being suppressed we come together to a better and cohesive way of thought. and to your latter point. they 99% don't! to the point where the people who get in trouble for those things ARE NOT PEDOPHILES. but this doesn't mean the current state of things is right. because the disproval of inherent harm means things can obviously work

>>937958705
prison sentence for typing words? and if that couldn't ever change then why have we had lots of societies okay with it? not broken societies, but great ones?

>>937958705
You can say that about anything that's illegal.

>>937958659
no argument. just spitting out jewish nonsense.

>>937958744
Such as?

>>937958712
>bisexuality is also not an ideology but there is a bisexual manifesto.
Bisexuality is not the same as wanting to fuck kids, don't insult bisexuals like that.

>>937958733
>why have we had lots of societies okay with it? not broken societies, but great ones?
Such as?

>>937958772
They're both sexual orientations. If you want to defend fags this isn't the place.

>>937958773
greece and rome as stated above. only got toned down when things became under "catholic" control. before then great emperors participated in and celebrated boy love for example.

>>937958772
it really is the same

>>937958812
First of all, those are ancient societies. Second of all, pederasty was almost always between adult men and adolescent boys, not toddlers or preschoolers. Also you're a faggot.

>>937958904
incredible no argument again

>>937958946
OK faggot

The real mental illness is society stigmatizing our sexual nature. Kids should be having sex as soon as they hit puberty instead of being forced to go to school to learn pointless trivia by repeating it a million times.

So, I've gone through the first 15 doujins with the loli tag. Out of those, 9 explicitly mentioned "child", "子供" (quite often), a specific school grade (e.g., 小1) or school in general (grade school), or a specific age (for example, "9" or "12" added in parenthesis after the name or as a separate entry, like "age: 11"). That means almost two-thirds of "loli" manga is explicitly about minors.
I didn't count this one, as *0 years old refers to 20, right?

>>937958983
>"I'm just gonna go full retard"

>>937959004
I HATE THE WEBM FILE FORMAT
I HATE THE WEBM FILE FORMAT
I HATE THE WEBM FILE FORMAT
Here's the pic I mentioned.

>>937959034
probably 10

>>937959019
You're mad because it's true. Don't you remember being a kid and hitting puberty?

>>937952795 (OP)
sure yeah
there's a lot of overlap and plenty of pedophiles will gaslight themselves and lolicons by telling lolicons theyre just like themselves to attempt validating their sickness
i.e. in the ai /degen/ threads, everyone gets along very fine, then occasionally there's a shitheel that starts posting very realistic ai """lolis""" to the point of an uncanny quality to real children, very often being obviously trained and generated from images of real children
no one likes them in these threads and their posts very often get purged by mods. theyre shit heads that try to belong there because theyre unable to admit to themselves there's a difference and fuck off to some cp laden telegram/session or somewhere on the dark web.

>>937959070
most people i know say they were masturbating well before puberty, at age 5-8. I am personally the only person I know who wasn't sexual before puberty.

>>937959111
It happens, but it's not the norm. Girls start sooner than boys, but they are not going to talk about it.

>>937959140
all said friends are male.

>>937959174
Maybe your group of friends is specially horny.

>>937959221
at the end of the day none of this will stop me from enjoying loli hentai

OP got arrested by the FBI, lol.

>>937952795 (OP)
Still pedos, being an uncle tom pedo doesn't make you any less of one.

this is an adult

>>937953686
Every conversation I've had on the topic has ended in a stalemate. They think I'm a pedo etc. they say loli is kids, I say they are lines on paper not originating from a real person. Bring up real csa in gov and media etc. They drop the convo and then call me antisemitic. I literally just want normals to fuck off and let me read Comic Lo by myself. Back in 2010 I knew having them join would ruin it. Once mobile internet was possible the net died.rip

>>937964423
Yeah but lolis are cartoon images of little girls.

>>937959262
If you are a real one tell me your favorite loli mangaka. Mine is Tsubaki Jushirou

>>937964452
>images
confirmed psyop

>>937957396
>removing "nigger" from the last part
gay, it used to say "oh shit nigger what are you doing"

>>937964739
It's a cartoon brainlet.

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The only thing more disturbing to me than open pedophiles, are people who construct elaborate rationalizations to justify or deny their attraction to children. Guess which one this thread is illustrating. I don't expect to penetrate your pathology, that's the work of a lifetime. I will call people who are aroused by lolicon pedophiles, because that's what you are. You're aroused by drawn images of undeveloped female bodies. Unbelievable self deception and denial.

>>937956957
>Just wait until one of your loli artists is caught tracing. Have fun figuring out which pics are traced and which aren't.
funny how you post this with an artist who has proven to never trace, let alone reference real pics. anyway, if an artist is caught tracing their works get banned in their entirety. ATFbooru, Gelbooru, etc. specifically maintain their own banlists.

Speaking of which, >>937956562 this image is traced.

Anybody who thinks this is pedo is mentally ill.

>>937957224
would it be any different if it were a petite JAV model playing a character that was that age?

cartoons/anime are inherently different from actual photos of real people. One is simplistic and stylized, the other is a real-world example. anyone who tries to say that liking loli is the same as being interested in real children will purposefully overlook this distinction to argue in bad-faith and get replies.

>>937969777
trips of godly truth

>>937952795 (OP)
"pedophilia" is a feminist concept and should never be used by anyone. Instead use real words such as molester, rapist, groomer.

>>937970445
>'lolicon = pedophilia'
this meme actually proves the opposite, actually.

in actual, spoken Japanese, 'ロリコン' explicitly means anime/manga depictions and characters, not actual children or an interest in them.

But Google Translate (which Twitter uses) doesn't operate on this translation, among others, and just goes a predisposed literal replacement 'pedophile', despite being in reference to something completely different.

It's all fucking weird and cringey terminally online shit. Even if you're looking at non-sexual drawings of young characters, it's all just fucking weird what do these people not understand?

>>937970758
literally untrue baka gaijin

>>937969777
cringe low iq nigger

>>937970073
artist?

>>937972511
If you look at it from a purely rational standpoint, yes.

>>937956350
Post a study with the conclusion: "Lolicons aren't pedophiles".

So this whole thread is basically pedophiles coping over the fact that lolicons rejected them from their community?

>>937975462
>>937970073

>>937975526
?

No. Serious answer: There's a difference between being attracted to explicitly sexualized drawings and actual children. Real children don't act anything at all like how they're depicted in hentai. Not just the poses, even the facial expressions, posture, everything. Real kids are gross, they smell, they're sticky, they're whiny, they're annoying. Anyone who is aroused by a prepubesent kid is legitimately mentally ill. Anyone who would take advantage of someone who's sexually mature but still underage is a cunt. I think I like loli because I first got laid in middle school and I have a thing for that kinda skinny flat chest body type. Since hentai of all kinds doesn't look real and nobody is actually taken advantage of, I don't feel bad about it since it's just my fantasy for that body type. I don't get off on them specially being drawn to look "like kids." The toddler shit, realistic stuff, and some 3d weirds me out, but I just scroll past since no actual people are being hurt so live and let live. It's a fetish like any other and I'd rather people who like toddlers jack off to that than bottle it up until they can't control themselves. But the fucktards that talk about fondling little kids, even if it's not true or pure bait, are the ones who will get 4chan to ban loli, which is bad for various reasons, and in the worst case get actual law enforcement to look here and start thinking about loli as incentivizing child molesters. That, and it's just fucking gross. Maybe I'm moral fagging, but some shit really is just fucked up, and talking about being horny putting sunscreen on your nieces, enjoying their cameltoe, and wishing you could share pictures of it on 4chan is one of those things.

>>937976177
Buddy, I know that lolicons and shotacons aren't attracted to minors. And I know it's difficult to prove such a thing to people who attack you. However, you guys need to figure out better arguments than all of this. Those artworks have a theme of sex acts that involve minors, and people read them this way. Denying that reading is not effective, so argue on better grounds, like that themes in fiction don't inform people's psychology. The same way enjoying brutal games isn't indicative or related to sadism and psychopathy, or how people who find adults attractive don't end up dating anime characters instead of actual adults, like, ever in their whole lives.

>>937973408
it's actually very true, you absolute stupid retard.
ask any Japanese person on Pixiv, Twitter, LINE, or whatever and they'll tell you out flat.

>>937976783
NTA, but one thing you might consider as an additional argument is that no psychological textbook in Japan uses lolicon as a term when talking about attraction to any demographic of minors. 小児性愛者 is used instead.

>>937976451
good point

>>937977699
Thanks. Also, never let pedophiles gaslight you into their delusions. The level of smugness they display is always directly proportional to the level of their retardation. They lie with extreme confidence and use mockery of others as a coping mechanism.
I'm happy to see that lolicons and shotacons fight against these pieces of shit. They are a literal human cancer, which spreads into every space it can find, just to push good people away and use their community to spread illegal materials and organize for as long as law enforcement doesn't take notice.
Never buy into this whole "we need space to express ourselves for therapeutic purposes" bullshit. Average people aren't qualified to deal with this topic, and if pedophiles truly sought therapy, that is what therapists are for. Nothing stops them from expressing themselves in a psychologist's room.

Even if you view loli as pedo the undeniable fact is that one is a picture and the other involves a real human being. And even mentally retarded brains know the difference between fantasy and reality as early as 3.

>>937953888
>Attempts gaslighting
Face the wall

>>937976451
> Buddy, I know that lolicons and shotacons aren't attracted to minors.

Except there are actually some who indeed are. Like, let’s be real for a second, it be regarded to say ALL Lolishos hate irl children. That’s like saying ALL furries hate bestiality, when there’s a portion of them that absolutely love THE SHIT out of bestiality. There’s definitely better arguments these motherfuckers can come up with but they pull the same shit out their ass. I’m into kemoshotas, I’m fully aware about their age shit and them being boys here and there, but I don’t let it warp me or try to be in denial. I just accept it and leave it as is. I like it cause it’s cute as fuck, but also find the young aspect fascinating as someone who likes to see “childhood” or “younghood” explored in an exciting or erotic fashion. Others have their reasons, and that’s fine. It’s only when these motherfuckers lose themselves and get into the irl shit is when we have a problem.

>>937980630
*retarded to say

But to further add to it, I realize the antis and pro shippers are quite literally the cumdumpster goner equivalent of liberals vs conservatives, both retarded when they go extreme

>>937980630
>"some"
There, you responded to yourself.
A pedophile can also be a lolicon. Just like a sadist can also be a gamer.
So what is your argument? That all gamers should be tightly associated and recognized as sadists?

>>937981036
What the fuck are you even on about???

>>937981259
I use a metaphor to explain the mistake in your reasoning...

>>937981284
What mistake???

If lolicons didnt like kids they wouldnt jerk off to lolis,They would jerk off to adults

>>937981358
A mistake in your reasoning. Are you clinically retarded or something?

>>937954990

Where is the evidence that all these artists traced real cp? That's a pretty serious accusation from @PoliticPat1 (whose account seems to have been deleted so I can't see the full post), and if the tracing is proven true, I would stop supporting their works, but I also believe in innocent until proven guilty.

I checked the pawoo link and all I saw was pretty standard 2D loli doujin covers. It's true that sometimes artists draw with a more realistic style than others, but that still doesn't prove tracing. Plenty of artists are able to draw realistic renditions of things they have never seen in real life, simply by using their years of training in art school.

Granted I wouldn't be able to spot a reference to something "pretty famous on the darknet" since I don't go there. In any case I'm a strong proponent of yes lolita no touch.

>>937980630
What the fuck did i just stumble on.ALL lolicons are shotacons are into kids.

>>937981445
What exactly is the mistake is what I’m asking…

> are you clinically retarded

“Mistake in your reasoning” isn’t enough. You got explain to me what exactly is THE MISTAKE. Obviously not everyone who plays violent games is a killer. Obviously not everyone who’s an Onlyfans model wants to be raped 24/7. There’s obviously nuances and factors that come into play as to why people do things and their mindset. I’m just saying that’s it’s not unreasonable to assume some pedophiles do indeed like lolisho or rely on it to avoid legal repercussion. Obviously that doesn’t mean ALL nor does it mean that’s the SOLE reason for it.

>>937981539
You should be asking the other anon that. The one who was fucking brain dead to say “I Know lolicons and shotacons aren’t attracted to minors”.

>>937981518
You are a pedo,You like kids.You like children.Your acting like your better saying its fine because its not traced,Yet it still based off the real thing and it meant to been seen as so.You should kill yourself

>>937981603
90 percent of this thread is retared

>>937981644
Honestly you right. Why people always fighting about it day and center.

Why actually give a fuck either way. It's just drawings. It's not illegal and no one is harmed.

>>937952795 (OP)
bro what is with the amount of cope screenshots of twitter you saved, are you okay bro?

>>937981561
Okay, so it seems that you have been agreeing with what I said since the beginning. So why are you arguing? What was the point of you insisting that some lolicons are pedophiles, if you recognize that it's an irrelevant mention, since pedophiles can belong to many groups, being a minority there, and thus being an exception and not the rule that should be taken to define the group?

>>937981832
Okay you’re definitely the retarded one. It wouldn’t be an irrelevant mention if it wasn’t for the fact that lolisho by its nature involves characters drawn in a young/youthful physique who sometimes are explicitly said to be underage by artists who hammer done the “childhood essence”. Yes lolisho can indeed be fantastical, they can indeed be 1000 years old and have “adult personalities”, but that doesn’t change the fact that there’s exists a large portion who 1000% hammer down on them being underage. Yes viciously they’re drawings in the end, but that’s not gonna stop the typical normal individual from looking at it and going “why the fuck would anyone be into this shit??” That’s why lolisho is labeled as pedophilia, because of the core nature that it involves the attraction of kids, the attraction of something that is youthful, young, and not adult.

>>937976177
you like loli because you're a pedo lol, not reading the rest of that crap

>>937982051
But you do realize that the very moment you apply the same line of reasoning to any other medium, it falls apart, right?
You are doing an equivalent of champtioning the agenda that some gamers are sadists, insisting that this is a very relevant mention, and implying we need to go around and insist on perceiving gamers through the lens of sadistic disorders, because the nature of violent video games involves characters generated in human/human-line physique, often with realism being an aim, who often are explicitly shot, cut, or otherwise brutalized and murdered by the player controlled character, with game developers designing their game to encourage such treatment of the "people" in their game.
What kind of person would expose themselves to recordings of murder? Especially ones they choose to make by their actions? What kind of person wouldn't respond with empathy, wouldn't respond with repulsion, and what is more, would enjoy themselves for hours engaging in such a process, instead of turning off the horrendous display of gore, blood, and death of what looks, acts, and sounds like human beings?
This is why diagnosing people with mental predispositions based on choice of entertainment is fucking retarded. Your brain doesn't identify fictional characters as real strangers, so it doesn't respond to them with feelings you would have for real people. You can claim that video games are sadistic, but you cannot claim that this makes gamers sadists.

>>937982382
Oh my god bro you are deflecting so fucking badly and it’s sad…

This is possibly THE WORST defense I’ve read in ages that I rather believe in a pedophile who loves lolicon than you.

>>937982479
I provided an analogy. There is not even a single sentence that can be read as deflection. Unlike your entire response. I get it, you cannot respond with anything valid, so you are coping now. I don't know what you want from me. Are you this desperate to be validated as a zoophilic pedophile by anons online or something?

>>937982479
>>937981259
How Would You Have Felt If You Hadn't Eaten Breakfast?

>>937982147
brmposisoafshwadfcbsl

>>937982524
Sounds like you’re the one in denial going on a rant about “AnAlOgIeS aNd GAmERs ArEnT SaDiSTIc!!!”

> This is why diagnosing people with mental predispositions based on choice of entertainment is fucking retarded.
> Your brain doesn't identify fictional characters as real strangers, so it doesn't respond to them with feelings you would have for real people.

You say the first part, which I agree is dumb, except the second part you’re completely missed the mark. Maybe it’s true you know that the character isn’t real, obviously, but people are gonna be attached to the character whether they are real or not. Why else did people go ballistic when they killed of Joel in The Last Of Us 2, cause they were so attached to him and hated how his death went. Or how about when people were sending death threats to the actress who played Abby because they were too emotional attached to realize she’s just an actress and had no involvement with the script. Yes, some situations of attachment is too much, but in the end it’s case by case. Idk why you seem to think I’m applying it to all situations like one bad apple ruins the bunch.

>>937982591
How’s that relevant?

>>937982671
just answer the question if you can,

>>937982720
I mean, I usually skip breakfast at times and wait to eat a big meal, but I im positive for some you’ll feel hungry very quickly or won’t get the necessary energy to help you in the day. While I do indeed feel hunger myself on some occasions, it’s mainly due to my high metabolism and I prefer to not overeat when I can. But also I miss out on breakfast items like McDonald’s or whatever. Love their McBiscuits and shit.

>>937982657
Buddy, I don't care if you view me as a pedophile. With people like you being at the forefront of their opposition, pedophiles have been sleeping soundly for decades. It's why these pieces of shit feel so confident in proudly spreading their MAP movement bullshit.
You were the one who kickstarted this conversation. I only respond. And you keep seething and throwing accusations instead of counterargumentation.
>Maybe it’s true you know that the character isn’t real, obviously
No, my statement was that it's clear our unconscious mind doesn't confuse characters for real people. Research on the cognitive psychology of media is clear on that aspect too.
> people are gonna be attached to the character whether they are real or not.
And? You can get attached to objects and feel pain upon losing them. We care about what brings us joy. How is that proof that you can replace a real partner with an anime body pillow and be satisfied in your natural drives with such a life?
>Why else did people go ballistic when they killed of Joel in The Last Of Us 2, cause they were so attached to him and hated how his death went
Are you seriously trying to make a case that people went through stages of grief in the same manner when they lost their real loved one, because a movie character died?

A claim that your brain doesn't respond to fictional characters like it would respond to real individuals, because your brain distinguishes between the two in no way, is contradicted by the recognition that we experience unique emotional responses from entertainment.

>>937982720
Hmm, it kind of seems he partially failed it and partially passed it. What do you think?

>>937983082
Same should use something different then breakfast for this test tho.

>>937982971
If you lost $1000 right now how would you feel?

>>937983210
That is a good one. Though I think these questions should be a bit about the past instead of the present time.

>>937983252
Ah the wording is off but I think it would severs the goal just as well.

>>937983015
>Buddy, I don't care if you view me as a pedophile.
I never tried to claim you were one?
>With people like you being at the forefront of their opposition, pedophiles have been sleeping soundly for decades. It's why these pieces of shit feel so confident in proudly spreading their MAP movement bullshit.
What do you mean people like me? I don’t even like the whole MAP thing either. I agree the people who try to be MAPs are just as stupid and worst as the people who try to moral police to an excessive degree.
> You were the one who kickstarted this conversation. I only respond.
Exactly, you chose to respond, and I chose to respond back hoping we can see eye to eye.

>>937983015
> How is that proof that you can replace a real partner with an anime body pillow and be satisfied in your natural drives with such a life?
Man you really love throwing analogies even when it’s irrelevant.
And yes you’re right. We do care about what brings us joy, indeed. We want to feel that happiness regardless if it harms us or not. That’s exactly why certain joy doesn’t always result in positive results. Addiction may bring joy but it surely isn’t making your body any healthier.
> A claim that your brain doesn't respond to fictional characters like it would respond to real individuals, because your brain distinguishes between the two in no way, is contradicted by the recognition that we experience unique emotional responses from entertainment.
And how do we know for certain it’s unique for everyone? How can we be certain for sure it’s not consistent or whatever. What’s to say killing a dog isn’t the same as killing a human to someone, or raping a woman isn’t the same as raping a child to another? Yes we do indeed have unique reactions to certain circumstances of fiction and reality, but what exactly causes us to react that one. We are influenced by one or the other, that’s how we emotionally respond to something we see, and is, as you said, unique. That’s the sole reason people either hate or love lolisho for various reasons.

>>937952795 (OP)
Yeah idrc about all of these gay twitter posts, I don't think any sane person would leave their child alone with a self-described lolicon/shotacon

>>937983210
I’ve lost more than that before and honestly it fucking sucked. Got scammed badly, and I’m sure the other anon would probably be clowning on me about it (deservingly). If I lose another again that definitely be detrimental.

>>937983082
I feel like they failed the 2nd one you?

>>937983427
>"I never tried to claim you were one?"
Then what was I supposed to be in denial of?
>>937982657
>"Sounds like you’re the one in denial"
>"Exactly, you chose to respond, and I chose to respond back hoping we can see eye to eye."
Why are you saying this as if what you respond to was completely isolated from any context?

Lolicon is pedophilia and no amount of coping from delusional ironics will change that. To deny this would be like saying that bara hentai isn't gay.

>>937983449
>"Man you really love throwing analogies even when it’s irrelevant."
What you quote wasn't an analogy. Also, the analogies I used were relevant; they were meant to help you understand complex matters. But it seems you have some difficulty processing hypotheticals, metaphors, and also analogies.
>"And yes you’re right. We do care about what brings us joy, indeed. We want to feel that happiness regardless if it harms us or not. That’s exactly why certain joy doesn’t always result in positive results. Addiction may bring joy but it surely isn’t making your body any healthier."
Uhm, okay, I guess?
>"And how do we know for certain it’s unique for everyone? "
Why would I assert otherwise? We are all humans sharing the same genetic makeup, which determines our neurology, and operating in the same manner, provided the same context, is also indicative of us sharing similar psychology. Differences exist, but not that drastic ones. And if you want something more concrete, the simple fact is, people don't marry cartoon characters, but they do marry real people. If cartoon characters and real people were the same to any percentage of our population's brains, we would see a few dozen thousand cases of people married to or attempting to marry cartoon characters. And I'm pretty sure we would notice people hanging out with body pillows in romantic places.
I'm sorry, but at this point you are grasping straws. Like, I get the sense that you have a few loosely floating ideas in your head, and you feel like they connect to your position, but you cannot say how exactly they would prove anything. People don't get attracted to cartoon characters. Jerking off to anime is weird, very unusual, and not common for the larger population. Most people attracted to adults don't find appeal in hentai, and they would never date a cartoon instead of a person simply because it wouldn't work for them. That is just the hard reality at play.

>>937983900
Conveniently, you use "bara" instead of "yaoi", because yaoi is mostly viewed by straight women and not gay men, completely debunking your claim you fucking pedoretard.

>>937970073
>>937980177
>>937980214
>>937983900

>>937983973
If a man is aroused by yaoi, is he gay?

>>937984030
As in "If a man is straight can he masturbate to yaoi?"

>>937984030
The primary viewer base of yaoi is straight women who are aroused by it, you fucking idiot. Gay men historically complained about yaoi for the very reason of not find it appealing.

>>937983900
Liking bara exclusively does not equate to being gay. People that cant understand this lack the ability to separate reality and fiction and probably lack the intelligence to have an opinion of value.

>>937984030
>>937984054
If that was your strongest line of argumentation, then oh boy, you pedophiles are REALLY desperate to be accepted by anyone at this point...

>>937983929
Then how am I suppose to know an analogy when I see one? How am I suppose to know it’s relevant when it appears to deviate greatly from the topic at hand.
> Uhm, okay, I guess?
Are we even trying to agree here? What exactly wrong with what I said?

> I'm sorry, but at this point you are grasping straws. Like, I get the sense that you have a few loosely floating ideas in your head, and you feel like they connect to your position, but you cannot say how exactly they would prove anything.

I just don’t understand why you seem to think I’m disagreeing with you or that I’m too stupid to understand your point? Like to me you’re just repeating obvious and proving that indeed situations are, obviously, situational. At this point I give up trying to understand your point here cause to me you seem a bit too defensive.

>>937983900
Can we at least agree that we both despise this shit?

>>937984087
>primary viewer base
No, shit. You dumb-fuck, retard. I was asking if a man jerking-off to yaoi is straight, do you not understand that?

>>937983673
How exactly I failed the second one? Wouldn’t a majority realistically feel upset losing that much money? I sure as hell would. I be in a panic. Depends on how you lose the money too, either you’re robbed you go to the police. You get scammed and no way to trace it you’re done for.

>>937984144
Nobody wants to be "accepted" by you. XD I'm calling-out your retardation.
You're attracted to short arms and legs, flat chests, large eye/head ratio, large cranium/total skull volume ratio... etc.
See: >>937970073

>loli thread died
guess I'll post here

>>937984155
>Then how am I suppose to know an analogy when I see one? How am I suppose to know it’s relevant when it appears to deviate greatly from the topic at hand.
Huh. I know this might sound like an insult, but I really don't mean it as one. You might consider getting in touch with a professional and checking whether you might have autism.
But to answer your question, an analogy typically is contrasting two things that are not identical. One should be more familiar to you when the other isn't. You should then try to think about the less familiar thing in a similar manner to how you already think about the more familiar thing. This is how you get to understand what the other person tried to communicate.
>Are we even trying to agree here? What exactly wrong with what I said?
You didn't say anything wrong, it's simply that suddenly you started to talk about addictions, and I couldn't figure out what purpose there was to it in the context of the larger conversation we had.
>st don’t understand why you seem to think I’m disagreeing with you or that I’m too stupid to understand your point? Like to me you’re just repeating obvious and proving that indeed situations are, obviously, situational. At this point, I give up trying to understand your point here cause to me you seem a bit too defensive.
And what would I be defensive of? I read your statements, and they aren't really conveying a proper understanding of the topic. So I try different explanations, and answer your questions as best as I can.
Maybe we have a miscommunication problem. Either way, I have to go soon, so I will be finishing this conversation. Nice talking to you.

>>937984328
I'm not even a lolicon, further adding to my point about your desperation. And how are you taking a medium, viewed by 99% straight women, which has themes of homoerotic men, and trying to turn exceptions into a rule, to ignore the fact that the rule debunks your whole case.
And please, stop pretending you didn't come in here to cope over being a fucking excluded pedophile loser. I know your type. You dedicate your entire fucking life to convincing yourself that everyone is secretly like you, but simply in denial, to cope with being ostracized. The more smug you become, the more visible the desperation is to everyone.

>>937984194
>"No, shit. You dumb-fuck. I was asking about homosexual men who historically hypothetically hated yaoi hypothetically liking it, to pretend I didn't lose an argument before it even started".

>>937984358
But how exactly is it an autism thing?
> You might consider getting in touch with a professional and checking whether you might have autism.

I mean, I know it’s certainly a factor, but who’s to say it’s not simply someone who isn’t native born American, or someone who didn’t get properly learning in literature or linguistics? Japan is known for not relying on sarcastic humor (they can but they usually don’t go that route). That don’t mean every Japanese is autistic. (Tho japs and autists do love trains and collecting stuff they fixate on haha)

> You didn't say anything wrong, it's simply that suddenly you started to talk about addictions, and I couldn't figure out what purpose there was to it in the context of the larger conversation we had.

Because you mention the point of we find stuff to bring joy when you try to counterargue my point that people get attached to anything and get upset over it. Because my point is we find attachment to anything for any reasons, is it always good or bad? Hence the addiction parallel, some go to addiction like drinking or drugs to make themselves feel better. It’s a severe example, but in relation to porn, some go to it to feel sexually satisfied or let lose their fantasies. Is it always good thing to everyone tho?

>>937984519
Pedophilia has nothing to do with sexual attraction to preteens

>>937984221
You don't seem to be able to think hypothetically. more so drawing from past experiences than thinking about what could be.

>>937984730
Nobody fucking cares.

>>937984735
Well, could you try a different example? Maybe one that’s a bit more detail and complicated? I feel the simplistic question is bound to result in me relying on past experience

True

>>937984834
lets try this if your current best friend or SO died yesterday via accident how would you feel?

>>937985031
I feel devastated. It probably torn me apart. I be depressed and such.

>>937983900
>anon conveniently selects bara, when yaoi is more known and would be chosen instead by most
>yaoi, erotica where a gay male character has sex with another gay male character
>yaoi, almost exclusively appealing to women, gay men hate it
>most people don't jerk off to hentai, they prefer porn, because they need for a person to be real human and not a stickman
>people attracted to adults don't date anime hags
>"Yes, I'm a pedophile. And I'm definitely not engaging in this thread to try and groom people into my shitty MAP movement. I just wanted to call out lolicons on the bullshit I imagined they said in my head. That is just how I spend my evenings!"
the pedophile and antilolicon alliance became stronger I see

>>937984519
>No men have ever jerked-off to yaoi therefore I don't have to answer you question
Is a man that masturbates to yaoi straight, gay or bisexual?
>>937984730
>Pedophilia has nothing to do with sexual attraction to preteens
Pedophilia is the primary or exclusive attraction, from someone over eighteen, to prepubescents.
>>937985216
>almost exclusively
Why do you need to write "almost"? I'll reiterate: If a male masturbates to yaoi is he straight?

>>937953206
>stylized, unrealistic cartoons
of what?

>>937953380
>cute
define "cute"

>>937985443
If the themes of erotica inform people's sexual orientation, then why the hell are heterosexual women so preoccupied with erotica depicting a gay man having sex with a gay man instead of straight women?
Gay men, as stated many times, do not like yaoi. Even though they should be into it according to your retarded logic.

>>937985550
of stickman figures

>>937953684
>Lisa Simpson
Literally a cartoon depiction of a child character

>>937985601
And the main demographic for lesbian porn is straight men.. Stop obfuscating anon.

>>937985748
You are the only person who has been obfuscating, ever since deliberately choosing bara to obfuscate the existence of an example that debunks your entire position. And ever since you drive a hypothetical that is contradicted by reality itself.

>>937985601
>heterosexual women
Yes, a woman attracted to men is heterosexual; A man attracted to men is homosexual (or bisexual)...
If a man is deriving sexual arousal from depictions of men, then they're gay or bi.
If a woman is deriving sexual arousal from depictions of men, then they're straight or bi.
>as stated many times, do not like yaoi.
Even if only one man liked yaoi, a man would still like yaoi. If a man likes yaoi (some undoubtedly do) is he straight?

>>937985619
Which are visual metaphors for what? What does a cartoon character image mean?

>>937985811
First of all I'm not the one you were arguing with. Secondly, the fact that you're unable to answer the question is kind of telling that you're being dishonest. Erotica does inform about the viewers orientation. If you're straight and into adults you are most likely watching porn involving adults of the opposite gender. If loli is triggering your lizard brain into arrousal... Well, I got news for you and you're not going to like it.

>>937985601
>Gay men, as stated many times, do not like yaoi.
I'm sure at least one does. XD
This is Jordan Peterson tier: "I wouldn't be in that situation!" "I hate hypotheticals!"

>>937985811
So what you're telling me is that women like yaoi because it involves men... But you don't enjoy loli/shota because it involves kids... Hmmm.... Something ain't adding up here.

>>937985216
Do lolicons actively avoid grooming young minds into liking underage-looking characters?

>>937985882
Answer me this question: if men who are attracted to women are attracted to anime characters, then why aren't there marriages between real people and cartoons? Why is hentai viewed by a small niche, if it's apparently an identical experience to viewing a porn recording with real adults? Why don't most people treat cartoon characters as friends, on par with actual real people as friends? Why are people not stopping from killing NPCs in games due to empathy, shame, and grief?
Your entire approach is attempting a retarded gatcha, where you insist on unrealistic hypotheticals just to derive a word, so that you can continue pretending that simply because we describe stickman figures with terms we also use on real humans, this means our brains sufficiently confuse them as potential partners in the natural selection process.
Any person jerking off to yaoi or bara or anything else is neither straight nor gay. They aren't bisexual either. They are just fucking weird. The totality of gay people, straight people, and bisexuals don't consider cartoons as a substitute for real humans at any point in their lives, regardless of how they are drawn. But you keep omitting every inconvenient fact just to reduce the conversation to the caveman "The X is gay, this person is a man, they touch themselves to X, so the man must be gay" reasoning.
And what for? To groom lolicons into joining MAPs like this one >>937984030
And every time anyone explains these simple things to you, you resort to performative ignorance, respond with ridicule, and pretend like you won.

>lolicon discussion
>lolicons are, as always:
>denying what's drawn on the images
>deflecting
>projecting
>attempting to de-associate

The same shit for over a decade now

Just admit that you like sexualizing kids and just want to avoid the negatives of it.

Like anal jelly coomers. They like scat minus the dirty and smelly aspects.

>>937986154
yes, your incompetence in comprehending how language works
a single term can mean completely different things in two contexts
using the same label on cartoon characters as you use on real people doesn't lead you to confuse both as the same, no?"
why is sexual attraction the only feeling that somehow doesn't make that distinction?