Womens rights are human rights

>>938048491 (OP)
i'm sure this will get thoughtful responses nigga
gl wit it

>>938048491 (OP)
rape victems should be able to choose, also people make mistakes.

>>938048491 (OP)
If you're aborted by a past time traveler would this thread ever exist?

No. The answer is no.

>>938048628
If you're anti abortion this is an argument for abortions being legalized.
Checkmate.

>>938048491 (OP)
Sure, in return DNA based paternity tests are mandatory at birth and will automatically remove any parental responsibility for men who turn out not to be the biological fathers.
Also men should have the right to financially abort the responsibility for a child they have no interest in raising.
If women get the right to refuse taking responsibility for the life growing in them, men should have the same right.

>>938048628
To be fair, aborting yourself as a time traveler is one of the funniest things you could do

>>938048688
Life doesn't begin at conception though, or else fathers would pay child support from conception onward, which they do not.

>>938048786
>Life doesn't begin at conception though,
That's a cope, if life doesn't begin at conception, why is an early term miscarriage a personal tragedy for the women it happens to?
>or else fathers would pay child support from conception onward, which they do not.
That is a retarded argument anon, the kid doesn't need child support until it has left the womb, you know when it actually needs clothes, diapers, food and medical insurance.

>>938048892
this nigga retarded as fuck lmao

>>938048937

>>938048491 (OP)
Fuck you.

>>938048963
AHAHAHAHAH
a boomer nigga too?! LMAO

can you support your argument that life begins at conception?
can't wait to see what drivel you write lmao

>>938049106
>can you support your argument that life begins at conception?
Can you point to where I directly said that in my post though?
Even if the fetus is first considered a life after a certain amount of gestation, that doesn't mean that legal abortions aren't giving women the right to not take care of the child that would eventually result from their pregnancy.
>can't wait to see what drivel you write lmao
Do you mean like the drivel you've been posting to avoid engaging with my arguments for mandatory paternity tests at birth and men getting to financially abort their responsibility for a child they don't want, in order to have equal rights with women?

>>938049400
It's simple: Ban abortions, make paternity tests mandatory, baby's daddies pay or become slaves of the state until the child turns 18, and mandatory vasectomies for niggers.

>>938049400
>That's a cope, if life doesn't begin at conception, why is an early term miscarriage a personal tragedy for the women it happens to?
i suppose that this isn't an argument in support of life beginning at conception...
it is pretty flaccid argument anyway...
>Even if the fetus is first considered a life after a certain amount of gestation, that doesn't mean that legal abortions aren't giving women the right to not take care of the child that would eventually result from their pregnancy.
i'm having an aneurysm trying to understand wtf you are arguing here...
this is obvious asf nigga
drivel indeed

I do agree with paternity tests and financial abortion for men though...

>>938049761
>I do agree with paternity tests and financial abortion for men though...
Then I've got no beef with you, I don't really care about when you consider a forming fetus alive or not, nor does my definition of that change anything substantial about this topic.
My point of contention was that abortion and adoption gives women rights and protections that men don't have the equivalent of.
You brought up the idea of life not beginning at conception up in response to a post that hadn't used that idea as an argument in the first place.

>>938048491 (OP)
Jew thread.

>>938050271
my nigga
i like you

>>938050399
Thanks anon, you are not too bad either when you aren't trying to rile me up to see if you can buttfluster me.

>>938048491 (OP)
If a womans right is a humans right then be, being a male human , should be able to abort that kid myself then, right?

>>938050467
eheheheh
i have a little fun doin that...

>>938048491 (OP)
An abortion should be a womans right. But rights come with responsibilities, so the abortion should be accompanied by a mandatory hysterectomy (for 2 reasons)
1. You're not planning on doing the abortion yourself, right? When women say they want the right to abortion, they mean safe abortion. So they need a doctor (who most likely entered the medical profession to SAVE lives) to help murder their baby for them. This is psychological coercion of the worst kind.
2. You murdered your own child. For convenience. We're not putting you in charge of another person for the first 16 years of their life...you're a fucking psychopath!

>>938050640
>i have a little fun doin that...
I don't blame you, I do the same and I'm also being a dick when I do it, but when I don't I'm a downright kind person.

>>938048584
This. Abortion is a good thing. There needs to be less of us, not more. I can't wrap my head around the Chinese, Muslims, and Republicans and their obsession with reproducing like fucking rats.
I wish we could all join together as a species, and go extinct. We could just all throw a big party from here on out til the last one of us is gone

>>938050955
People who want their nations to function and continue, wants the birthrates of their nations to be able to replace them and continue their culture.
Once birthrates go low enough, civilizations die.

>>938051236
>Once birthrates go low enough, civilizations die
How is that a bad thing? We're a parasitic entity so prolific, we're killing an entire planet.

>>938051623
Hey go ahead and leave life if you hate it so much, just don't delude yourself into thinking that going extinct and wishing that all humans should do so is a morally good outcome or opinion to hold.

"Children have rights, why should the right of one woman outweigh the rights of one child?"

>>938052069
Once we invent functional artificial wombs, the bodily autonomy of both women and children can be upheld without forcing an unwanted pregnancy on women.

>>938051734
I don't hate life. Life kicks ass. I just have no interest in reproducing. I have a good excuse for when I run into people like you too. My mother is a bat shit insane, paranoid schizophrenic. Schizophrenia tends to skip a generation.

>>938052159
>My mother is a bat shit insane, paranoid schizophrenic. Schizophrenia tends to skip a generation.
Alright, so if you abstain from procreating to avoid passing that on you're doing a sensible thing.
That doesn't mean that people who do procreate are inherently insensible though.
I have no issues with you making the choice of not procreating, but I don't consider you making that choice something that makes you morally better or superior to anyone.
You mentioned the impact of humans on the planet and if you ask me we can't fix that impact unless humans continue existing and have a vested interest in solving shit to make the lives of future generations better.
If humanity just dies out, all that will do is leave behind a huge toxic and radioactive mess that won't resolve itself for thousands or even millions of years.

>>938052407
I try not to act holier-than-thou. I don't think I'm better than anyone. Sorry if I came across that way. I don't preach, or lecture anyone about it. If it wasn't for people like you, we wouldn't push through, and overcome obstacles, so more power to you. I think it'd be cool if we ushered in some kind of tech-utopia. It just doesn't seem to me like we're gonna achieve that

>>938052824
>It just doesn't seem to me like we're gonna achieve that
Alter your perspective then, contemplate on how technology has progressed throughout the last 500 years, instead of being hyper focused on the state it is in at this very moment.
It is easy to look at the world as it is, exclaim "It's fucked" and then throw your hands up in the air in a defeatist manner. Anyone can do that and it doesn't change or fix anything.
The hard thing to do, is actually giving yourself enough credit to realize that you were born with agency, which affords you the inborn power to change the world just a tiny little bit, figuring out what to apply that power on, how to do it and then constructively doing something about the world being fucked.
Well I say that it is hard and but that is only in the beginning. Once you've made it a habit to take action in a constructive manner when faced with a problem, it is oddly freeing to do so and you'll wonder why you ever allowed yourself to pretend that you couldn't do anything about a problem when you face it.

>>938048491 (OP)
Fetus rights are human rights.

>>938048491 (OP)
Abortion is murder and I'm totally cool with that because I don't want a kid. Cry about it.

>>938053525
Very articulate, and well said, anon. I do my Goddamnedest to be the best dude I can be. I always go out of my way to help someone, and try to be selfless. I'm not one of the insufferable doomer faggots. I'm a pretty positive guy, I just look at the people running the world, and the gradual match towards "1984", and it makes me wanna just check out, and indulge in escapism. It's people like you that keep the human race going. If everyone had my mentality, everyone would OD

Your fortune: Bad Luck

>>938054740
>It's people like you that keep the human race going.
You can be people like me, you just have to start doing shit.

but if we don't force the poor folk to keep having the children, how can we keep them poor and controllable?

>>938055030
I know. Like I said, I go out of my way to be altruistic. I'm not a doomer faggot. I'm just sure as shit not gonna pass on my fucked up genes

>>938048491 (OP)
Not only legal, but every woman should have at least one abortion in her life, so even indoctrinated right-wing "tradwifes" will understand why it's necessary.

>>938056233
So, how do you propose to force women who are against abortion to have one?

>>938048491 (OP)
You are not men