Thread 938118003

‘Save democracy’ by rigging who’s allowed to run, very democratic of you Republicans.

>>938118003 (OP)
LOL. demorcrats can still run. But befor you start talking shit. you might look into jerrymandering. Il, CA, NY are the primary states the dems have been doing it for years. Go look at those maps LOL

>>938118003 (OP)
>‘Save democracy’ by rigging who’s allowed to run, very democratic of you Republicans.
Its almost as if (as their name implies) Republicans are proponents of a Republic, as opposed to a Democracy...

>>938118262
>Doesn't understand democratic republic

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>>938118003 (OP)
Ever heard of Massachusetts?

>>938118219
>Alaska, Arizona, California, Colorado, Idaho, Michigan, Montana, New York, and Washington — all draw both state and federal districts using an independent commission, with regulations limiting direct participation by elected officials. (Alaska currently has only one congressional representative and thus does not need to draw congressional lines.)

>Members of these commissions are neither legislators nor public officials. Each state other than Colorado and New York also bans commissioners from running for office in the districts they draw, at least for a few years after the commission finishes its work.

>Some of the states further limit commission members’ link to the legislature: Arizona, California, Colorado, Michigan, and New York, for example, also bar legislative staff from serving on the commission; California, Colorado, Idaho, Michigan, New York, and Washington bar lobbyists from serving on the commission as well.

>New York and Washington allow the legislature to override their independent commissions with a supermajority, though statutes limit the extent of the modifications.

https://redistricting.lls.edu/redistricting-101/who-draws-the-lines/

Fuck off with your shitty Whataboutisms you retard, stop trying to defend fascism with bullshit talking points that don’t hold up with even the slightest research!

>>938118003 (OP)
How do you rig a system that is already rigged?

>>938121976
Both parties gerrymander. Both parties want power. You clearly have a side and will excuse fascism when exhibited by your party. You are no better than "the other side".

>>938121976
Every state does it you drooling fucking retard. You're ONLY mad when republicans do shit that democrats do regularly.

>>938121976
almost half of the state you listed are red, dumbass. Whataboutisms are completely fine. Bitch when Democrats do it as well or fuck off.

>>938123038
And you only get mad when Democrats do it, dipshit

>>938123267
I'm not the one bitching about it like a retarded faggot. I simply acknowledge everyone does it.

>>938122874
How are they, specifically NY and California, gerrymandering when an independent bipartisan group are the ones doing the redistricting?

>>938123038
Can you actually point to evidence that other states are gerrymandering, as I posted NY and Cal are two states of a handful that have independent bipartisan groups that redraw the lines, they’ve actually set it up in ways to make it incredibly hard to gerrymander. But if you have proof to the otherwise aside from “your feelings” please provide it.

>>938123132
While whataboutisms can be good, the right has weaponized to a point so you could use it to justify any kind of shitty behavior, so no in this context in this argument whataboutisms are shit and do not justify the gerrymandering down in texas

>>938123741
I'm not trying to justify shitty behavior. I'm calling out the fact that a lot of Democrats don't give a shit when their party does it and even more likely don't even know Democrats do it too.

>>938118003 (OP)
>‘Save democracy’ by rigging who’s allowed to run, very democratic of you Republicans.

IS that why the DNC chose hillary, and biden, and kamala, how many decades has it been since they actually had a democratic convention without super delegates and billionaires pulling the strings if they even bother to have one? The RNC at least has a democratic primary. Although every time the RNC shows up where I live it's been rioted by commies and DNC supporters going on decades now.
Really how many times have the democrats had supermajorities to just push through things? They never do. Mean while they suck up money from Harvey Weinstein and Sam Bankman-fried. Let's pretend DOGE was wrong 90% of the time about funding, you're still talking about billions and even trillions of dollars of corruption dems are fucking around with. Why would you support a party that's overwhelmingly not democratic?

>>938123350
> I'm not the one bitching about it like a retarded faggot. I simply acknowledge everyone does it.

Says the anon bitching about it like a retarded faggot. Also no you are only complaining about it because “the left does it” and are using that as a shitty excuse to justify the Right gerrymandering states like Texas. Like just be honest with yourself mate there’s no reason to pretend, on this Mongolian basket weaving forum.

>>938123788
Then provide proof anon, either put up or shut up. Stop trying to both sides this bullshit to cover for the fact that you are just trying to justify the Right being massive pieces of shit.

>>938124071
I honestly don't know or give a fuck what TX is doing. But Democrats literally let their establishment steal a primary from them TWICE and they give zero fucks, lol. I don't give a fuck what either side is upset about because they're both retarded and hypocritical.
>put up or shut up
I'm not going to waste time explaining the obvious to a brick wall. You can fist your own ass; i won't be a part of it.

>>938123809
> Let's pretend DOGE was wrong 90% of the time about funding

But DODGE was wrong and found nothing and in fact made things far worse… just so Musk could come in and fuck the government up so he could keep committing crimes.

>>938124168
>But DODGE was wrong and found nothing

Source? I assume you have one that has access to financial records and transactions ongoing that DOGE did to form that opinion? If there were a smoking gun of proof to the contrary of what they were saying it'd likely have been shared far and wide. Especially when you had that many people facing lay offs.

>>938124143
So you’ve got nothing? Your entire pov is based on feelings rather than facts…. Also you are basing your entire opinion on Democratic primaries….are you fucking retarded? Don’t answer that you’ll probably trip and kill yourself since you’re that much of a fucking moron. What happened with the primaries and what redistricting is are completely different things!

>>938121976
Do not bother reasoning on here. You will only exhaust yourself.

4chan is an echo chamber of moronic takes like >>938123038

>>938124414
Ok Ben Shapiro.

>>938124143
>I honestly don't know or give a fuck what TX is doing.
Yes, that is obvious.

But, let me make this clear. Democrats being issued a warrant of arrest (that will not stand in the courts) for breaking quorum goes against TX's state constitution as what they are doing is written/allowed into it. This is a clear case of fascism if we are arresting political dissenters.

>>938124329
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cn4j33klz33o.amp

Dodge actually wasted more money thanks to them randomly firing people and then the government having to hire them all back. Also this has been known for a couple months now has your head been under a rock?

>>938124168
>>938124329
I mean don't you think the DNC with it's massive propaganda wing with allegiance from practically every news and entertainment network wouldn't disseminate and try to pull some aha gotcha witty thing to make the republicans or DOGE look bad if they could? They literally make enough money to be in the upper percentage of "elitist" that create the majority of the pollution and use up all the resources compared to everyone else. You don't think they'd pull a cheap rug pull? I mean I know you think I'm pulling the rug under you right now that you're more opinion than fact. These people really have pulled the wool over your eyes, or you're one of them benefiting off this bullshit at the expense of everyone else.

>>938124168
DOGE break-ins are more than just Musk doing willy-nilly. They are used for the Palantir database.

>>938124569
Yeah, okay so DOGE fired people and they are less efficient, now post a source and back up your claims that what financial shenanigans and corruption and collusion between NGO's and government funded tax payer money wasn't happening.

>>938124496
What does that even mean? Why compare me to that PoS right wing con artist

>>938124573
(not that anon btw)
Found the Israel-sponsored monkey that spams "supershit"

Why do you think the DNC is the one with massive propaganda? Every time I've dealt with someone like this, they end up having this belief because often they go against their opinions.

>>938124614
But I did

>>938121976
>>938124462
Samefag

>>938124665
>Why do you think the DNC is the one
>the one
You are either ignorant or dishonest in your framing, suggesting that only one of the two teams pushes propaganda or that because republicans do, democrats don't. This is childish and inaccurate. Two groups can be guilty of the same crime at the same time.

>>938124723
Again you should probably not even touch a keyboard as you’ll probably slip and give yourself a concussion you’re that much of a moron

>>938118003 (OP)
Read the comments of people here arguing about this shit and realize pretty much all of them are begging to be shit on by the government.

We're long past the point of a bipartisan system being the problem with this country. Now the biggest problem we face is mass stupidity, as shown by many anons here.

>>938121976
>independent commission
how are they staffed? having independent in the name/description means jack shit if it still blatantly partisan anon.

>>938124665
Well let's recount the news networks democrats think are a massive conspiracy network. Fox news. Which some libtard watches half the day and accuses you of watching if you disagree about anything. Let's count every other television show and news network that repeats democratic propaganda hey remember how sleepy joe was totally functional until he needed to stop because everyone knew he was compromised health wise?

Besides. I mean realistically republicans are a large tent towards democracy where all are welcomed. Democrats bury there heads in the sand and follow what their corporate dictators allow. Although I mean yeah both the republicans and dems are owned by jewish or chinese intelligence agencies likely working in consort.

>>938124703
Impressive, I think your skull has more ridges than your brain. It has at least one, your skull. Still, impressive.

>>938124796
So there you go with that whataboutism shit again “I know one side is bad but the other side is just as bad because…” it’s bullshit mate you are just trying to justify the Right committing literal crimes.

But you know what I’ll humor you, let’s talk about the style argument of “Bill Clinton was a friend of Epstein so let’s ignore the fact that Trump was good friends with Epstein” cause I think it will have the same result, if both sides are gerrymandering make it mandatory for every state to have independent bipartisan groups redistrict each state. Or in the case of media get rid of the 24 hour news cycle channels like Fox News and let’s get back to just normal news networks

>>938125049
It’s literally in the same post anon

>Members of these commissions are neither legislators nor public officials. Each state other than Colorado and New York also bans commissioners from running for office in the districts they draw, at least for a few years after the commission finishes its work.

>Some of the states further limit commission members’ link to the legislature: Arizona, California, Colorado, Michigan, and New York, for example, also bar legislative staff from serving on the commission; California, Colorado, Idaho, Michigan, New York, and Washington bar lobbyists from serving on the commission as well.

>>938123038
Obligatory.

>>938125174
So the democrats are better because they're not the repbulicans but they capitulate to them and end up not doing what they promise but make a lot of money pretending they would.
>>938125381
Ironically, yes I am stupid I mentioned the jews. Democrats and Republicans would both throw their first born child into a fire and burn them alive if it meant funding jews. They'd throw any child they could into a fire and pray to their moloch tier god and claim christ in public.
So you're not wrong.

>>938125587
Okay let's pretend this isn't like jews issue or anything weird like that
>>938125479
side A, has spent billions in funding, side B literally isn't a silent majority.
Side A only stays in business as long as their business is profitable. They always side with Side B but try to make side B look bad. They are part of side B, except they're like some weird social experiment to keep people stupid and dumb instead of doing C, they are meant to keep siding with B. When side A ever gets their way they only ever side with side B and blame side B and keep sucking up funding. Does that do anything for your jeepers?

>>938125587
>yes I am stupid
Admitting it is the first step towards recovery, maybe now go outside and touch grass

>>938125266
I ask how they ARE staffed, not who isn't allowed.

>>938125716
Yes, of course, you're the brahman enlightedned democrat. You touch grass by the virtue of having an opinion of what grass is.

>>938125711
> Okay let's pretend this isn't like jews issue or anything weird like that

But here’s the thing that’s the anon you agree with he’s the one making the same arguments as you, except his involve a completely made up racist conspiracy about Jews. But essentially he’s your ally in this argument.

Not sure about you but that would definitely make me rethink my point of view

>>938125174
>that whataboutism
you are citing propaganda meant to play hot potato with the public's attention and avoid genuine criticism.
>so let’s ignore the fact that Trump was good friends with Epstein
nobody thinks that anywhere. Release the files. Ghislaine will say whatever she has to to get what she wants.
>mandatory for every state to have independent bipartisan groups redistrict each state
that doesn't sound so bad. It shouldn't be that hard to draw up districts based on geographical elements or distribution of resources.

Don't listen to divisive DNC propaganda. They want you to hate me. We're more alike than we are different.

>>938125751
I mean if that doesn’t answer it for you, considering they clearly have a hefty review process and tons of safeguards to minimize any and all corruption, I don’t know what to tell you. But if I had to guess a review board heavily vets applicants

>>938125940
>they clearly have a hefty review process and tons of safeguards to minimize any and all corruption
that doesn't really follows anon. they removed the most blatantly obvious and lazy source of corruption that doesn't mean a lot.

>>938125813
I don't want to change your point of view. I just wish you had a broader one. How often do you think a person just walked around spouting nonsense and people didn't want to hit them over the head to take what they have? Sure government might do that in the short term but you seem to be the worse form where you are looking to take over what anyone does and then oops I deny this form of government that's horrible if anyone could do anything about it. You know exactly what you're doing. Why would I try to change your opinion when you think you are made of some sort of integrity? What integrity do you show? Maybe you'll get away you're entire life being a cunt. You do you. Everyone might night say it out loud but you're a fucking bitch.

>>938125813
>Not sure about you but that would definitely make me rethink my point of view
if a nazi says the sky is blue, I'd better say they sky is green so no one thinks I'm a nazi. You are in a cult.

>>938125928
>you are citing propaganda meant to play hot potato with the public's attention and avoid genuine criticism.

No anon I’m not, I am pointing out and rightfully so that generally when someone tries to call out the right for shitty and sometimes downright illegal behavior their go to argument is shitty whataboutisms as demonstrated by what >>938125479 posted to deflect.

Also I’d like to believe you that nobody tried said argument about Trump but I’ve literally seen it with my own two eyes so I know people are trying to pull that shitty Whataboutism to help deflect for Trump

At least we can agree on something …
> Don't listen to divisive DNC propaganda. They want you to hate me. We're more alike than we are different.

Sigh… no anon I don’t need any “DNC Propaganda” to know you’re a fucking dumbass. And while we find common ground for things like fair redistricting I think you are way to far up your own ass to find any other common ground

>>938126365
>someone tries to call out the right
will you call out the left for gerrymandering and pushing disinfo too? That would completely preempt any "whataboutism" by proving that your beef comes from principle instead of partisan propaganda... Or do you only care when the right does it?

>>938126263
That’s a bit of an obtuse take, don’t you think? I was just saying that sharing the same political mindset with a blatant Nazi would make me rethink a couple things.

>>938126061
Anon I honestly don’t care what you think you are a crazy Nazi who spouts word salad after word salad to make yourself appear smarter than you actually are a sad lonely little anon that bought into Nazi conspiracy theories probably cause it was your fist taste of a community that accepted you for you. Which is sad and I pity you but means my caring of any opinion you have of me as a person is less than worthless

>>938126731
Go fuck yourself you disingenuous piece of shit, you keep trying to justify this Whataboutism without pointing to any real evidence that it’s happening. If you can’t bring any actual evidence to the table to justify your claim sure burn the whole motherfucker to the ground but otherwise it’s you just trying to deflect to protect the right while they commit crimes against their own constituents.

>>938126991
You're accusing me of some crazy fucking shit which I have defended my country during war time over and you're totally a lying cunt of a person. Say that shit to my face mother fucker, I bet you'd get a crowd of fucking russians and commies cheering you on. You two faced piece of fucking shit.

>>938126991
>without pointing to any real evidence that it’s happening
you need me to bring up state district maps to show you the left is gerrymandering? How naive are you? lmao You aren't, you're just disingenuous. I, on the other hand, think gerrymandering is unethical in both texas AND illinois. Keep on keepin on, DNC shill.

>>938127141
Why are their covid parties? Where the people you rub elbows with get to go not be declared under marshal law?

>>938127141
> I bet you'd get a crowd of fucking russians and commies cheering you on

No anon you would because that Whataboutism truck is literally in the Russian disinformation attack playbook. You are a fool who is being played. Stop trying to whatabout this and actually think critically if you did actually fight for this country what the right is doing by turning this country towards Facism should bother the hell out of you

>>938127264
So you have no evidence to back up your claims then?

>>938127400
So let's say I'm descended from a nigger. and you're a jew. Or a protestant. I'm playing the victim here and creating propaganda?

>>938127400
>Whataboutism truck is literally in the Russian disinformation
> Facism
anon, it's getting too satirical. You're brushing up against poe's law. What are you gonna tell us next, that biden's still sharp as a tack?

>>938126991
>the right while they commit crimes against their own constituents.
source? You have proof the right are committing crimes?

>>938127472
I mean I'm a nigger. I don't get any rights under you laws. Your laws don't discriminate against niggers? Did you have some supreme hitler court where niggers are allowed or considered human?

>>938127579
Literally what’s happening in Texas right now

>>938127735
the redistricting? you have proof its a crime?

>>938121976
they call it independent, but the fact it their Independent's are paid for by the democrat's and they are supporters of the democrat's. soo you can call it independent but it is not.

>>938123741
the so called bipartisan is not they are still biased. just look at the maps. they are also paid for by democrat's.