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Anonymous No.938133569 >>938133656 >>938133677 >>938133695 >>938146373
robot children
this would prove MAPS are predators
Anonymous No.938133635
I'd go to the robot rave
Anonymous No.938133656 >>938133676
>>938133569 (OP)
What the fuck do you mean "prove", we are all aware of how much pedophiles are predators.
Anonymous No.938133676 >>938133688
>>938133656
what about the "child lover" proponents?
Anonymous No.938133677 >>938133742 >>938134475
>>938133569 (OP)
It would be a better alternative than letting them near real humans, but truth is a firing line is all they actually deserve.
Anonymous No.938133688 >>938133742
>>938133676
You dont favor pedophiles unless you are one.
Anonymous No.938133695
>>938133569 (OP)
there's probably some who would
Anonymous No.938133742 >>938133824
>>938133677
>>938133688
checked

I don't think they should be executed, but I don't understand them. Maybe if I did, I would, but I don't think so.
Anonymous No.938133753 >>938133834
How?
Would they not know they are robots?

Elaborate how weaponized robot children would prove anything exactly?
Anonymous No.938133788
Imagine a predator being caught by the hivemind and simultaneously being disabled by a robot. The time of the human predator is coming to an end.
Anonymous No.938133824 >>938133881
>>938133742
Lines are drawn for a reason and niche groups like pedophiles dont redefine them, sympathizers like you will get the business end of a rifle along with them. Literally and figuratively, if you are found to be an ally of pedophiles who get convicted you can also receive time for whatever crime they committed if your actions helped them. Just saying. Careful who you support.
Anonymous No.938133834 >>938133852 >>938134039 >>938135296
>>938133753
exactly
they wouldn't be interested in them because they are inherently predators, it wouldn't matter if they knew they were or not, predators don't like danger.
Anonymous No.938133852 >>938133945
>>938133834
So robot children would just make them hide as they already are...your esl is killing me bro.
Anonymous No.938133881 >>938134040
>>938133824
>like you

I hate child abuse as much as anyone, I have merely tried to keep an open mind up until now.
Anonymous No.938133945 >>938133992 >>938135296
>>938133852
not only that, even if they had the option to have sexual relations with a robot child they wouldn't because it's not about a certain body type or anything else, it's about abusing a relationship.
Anonymous No.938133992
>>938133945
I'm sure there are some pedos who are robosexual as well
Anonymous No.938134039 >>938134069
>>938133834
>predators don't like danger
I am pretty sure no one likes being stabbed to death by a robot.
This thought experiment makes no sense.
Anonymous No.938134040 >>938134099 >>938134136
>>938133881
Thats nice and everything but the issue is already settled, pedophilia is a mental health issue that needs to be addressed in the same manner as schizo effective disorders. Supporting it is illegal. Pretty simple, dunno why you bel8eve you deserve a hand in the decision unless youre a pedophile who thinks hes going to change the majority opinion of him.
Protip: not gonna happen
Anonymous No.938134042 >>938134088 >>938134140
robots really will be the perfect companions one day, for everybody, not just pedos
Anonymous No.938134069 >>938134207
>>938134039
Nothing OP has said makes sense but its a lean-to argument in favor of MAPS and pedophiles so just call OP a pedophile and move on with life
Anonymous No.938134088 >>938134207
>>938134042
Good, ho build your little diddlebot 5.0 and stay away from children, thanks.
Anonymous No.938134099 >>938134173
>>938134040
I simply think restorative and preventative justice should be the norm, not punitive
Anonymous No.938134136 >>938134207 >>938134245
>>938134040
I think willing conversion therapy could have been beneficial for pedos, but such research is blocked because of the association with forced conversion therapy of gays.

Turns out there are several homosexuals who have undergone willing conversion therapy for their homosexuality and up to 40% report it being effective in making them straight.
Granted these are self reports so aren't great, but still it shows potential as a treatment for other sexual maladaptations possibly including pedophilia.
Anonymous No.938134140 >>938134205
>>938134042
wall-e or baymax?
Anonymous No.938134173 >>938134234
>>938134099
Reform doesn't happen when you have to group criminals together and given an inch they take a mile every time, again, you are not the first person to cross these social concepts, its been tried and with the same result every time. Nothing youre doing and thinking or saying is new or original and you should research things before spouting off about them like youre some pedophile whisperer savant.
Anonymous No.938134205 >>938134268
>>938134140
Baymax got them curves and is a lot more cuddleable.
Wall-e has a nice personality and all, but them sharp edges and hard body just doesn't do it for me.
Anonymous No.938134207 >>938134339 >>938134368
>>938134069
No I'm just trying to debate pedophiles on their own terms
>>938134088
no u
>>938134136
source?
Anonymous No.938134234 >>938134310
>>938134173
yeah but in the security age they become more feasible
Anonymous No.938134245 >>938134313 >>938134464
>>938134136
Conversion therapy is the current norm for addressing pedophilia you fucking retard. What youre talking about is getting rid of the common stigmatization that all pedophiles are child abusers, etc. Unfortunately that stigma isn't going anywhere anytime soon because the majority just plain out dont agree or care about people with mental health issues and can't be bothered to empathize with something criminal.
Anonymous No.938134268 >>938147758
>>938134205
I'd settle for a robo dog
Anonymous No.938134310 >>938134338
>>938134234
What the fuck are you talking about? The kids themselves? Just stay away from kids or go to prison, pretty simple.
Anonymous No.938134313 >>938134381
>>938134245
Source?
Anonymous No.938134338 >>938134419
>>938134310
preventative and restorative justice.
Anonymous No.938134339 >>938134412 >>938135261 >>938135531
>>938134207
Pedophiles dont have terms in which they can argue about favorable outcome. Attraction to minors is a mental health issue and needs to be addressed as one, not supported as another "alternative sexuality"
Anonymous No.938134368
>>938134207
Warning, source is highly bias, obviously.
https://www.hli.org/resources/what-is-conversion-therapy-controversy/
Anonymous No.938134381 >>938134434 >>938134527 >>938134549
>>938134313
Try googling shit you pedantic faggot

https://www.justice.gov/psc/docs/natstrategyreport.pdf
Anonymous No.938134412 >>938134462
>>938134339
not everyone has the same preferences, some peoples preferences are harmful to themselves and/or others, and I think those people should be helped
Anonymous No.938134419
>>938134338
Learn to use words to portray whole ideas, retard.
Anonymous No.938134434 >>938134492
>>938134381
keywords? QRD?
Anonymous No.938134462 >>938134638 >>938135227
>>938134412
Cool, Open up a psych office and have them stop by. Anybody in the system has already been caught and prosecuted because instead of seeking help they went ahead and crossed the line. You want to help pedophiles, then help them, but do not be shocked the rest of the normal world doesn't care if they end up dead in a ditch somewhere
Anonymous No.938134464 >>938134527
>>938134245
>Conversion therapy is the current norm for addressing pedophilia you fucking retard
No it isn't.
>What youre talking about is getting rid of the common stigmatization that all pedophiles are child abusers,
Where the fuck did I say anything at all like that anywhere?
I am saying there could be a chance to convert pedos willing to make a change into non-pedos, but such a thing isn't allowed due to gayfags.
Anonymous No.938134475 >>938134557
>>938133677
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/firing_line
Definition 1. or 2.?
Anonymous No.938134492
>>938134434
READ nigga, im not your professor its time you took responsibility for your claims and read the US policy for dealing with pedophiles
Anonymous No.938134527 >>938134618
>>938134464
It is the legal systems approach to it, even if a pedophile is imprisoned they are given therapy in an attempt to convert them, read about it here>>938134381

I dont really care if you believe its effective or not, youre arguing in favor of a niche group that has a worse rap attached to their habits than homosexuals do.
Anonymous No.938134549 >>938134673
>>938134381
You just google a document you didn't read, because I looked through, skimmed, and keyword searched it and couldn't find a single thing supporting what you said.
Anonymous No.938134557 >>938135296
>>938134475
>which one
The one that kills them.
Anonymous No.938134618 >>938134706
>>938134527
You didn't read the document you posted.
It doesn't say anything about conversion therapy and has nothing at all about such therapy for people before they offend.

You are doing the same shit commies do when they don't have anything to say.
They just dump books they haven't read and says the book proves them right even though it doesn't.
Anonymous No.938134638 >>938134731
>>938134462
I'd rather address issues on a systemic level, but first I need to understand the issues
Anonymous No.938134663
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Anonymous No.938134673 >>938134740
>>938134549
Great, want a cookie or something because there's an entire section about continued approach to renewing research in the contents that you apparently "skimmed over". If you actually read the document you can see that conversion therapies are not an effective model for repeat offenders. Not sure what point you think im.making but fucking read for once instead of just arguing a point you got btfo about.
Anonymous No.938134706 >>938134759
>>938134618
Nigger I never made the claim that conversion therapy was offered to nonoffenders. Nobody gives a fuck about non offenders, i showed you how the govt deals with it and they dont waste time with "conversion therapy" for non offenders because they havnt gotten caught...fucking assist, go open a therapy office and sooth some pedophiles, no ones stopping you.
Anonymous No.938134731 >>938134964
>>938134638
Great, im not gonna hold my breath on you understanding them, everything seems fine to me, if a couple pedos off themselves I won't mind.
Anonymous No.938134740 >>938134819
>>938134673
How about you learn to cite a source properly instead of just dumping a link to a 250+ page book and saying
>it's in there somewhere
>just read bro lol

You are so full of shit and didn't read shit.
Anonymous No.938134759 >>938134939
>>938134706
You didn't show shit.
Fuck off.
Anonymous No.938134819 >>938134918
>>938134740
What point do you think im offering you? This is the US policy on pedophiles, conversion therapy is mentioned as a non effective means for repeat offenders. Therefore its already been established that its not an effective means of dealing with offensive pedophiles...right, so what's your point?
Anonymous No.938134918 >>938135025
>>938134819
>What point do you think im offering you?
I think you are just using ossification to bullshit.
What you did was post the first google link to a book you found and didn't read.
>conversion therapy is mentioned
Where?
In what context?
Says who?
Why?
When?
How?

Just SoMeWhEaR in the book?
You are just out to waste time and probably flat out lying your ass off.

I am done with you and this thread.
Anonymous No.938134939
>>938134759
>you showed me stuff that disagrees with my idealized version of reality
Yeah, youre welcome that happens sometimes.
Anonymous No.938134964 >>938135060
>>938134731
I don't think that human life is expendable
like I said, I hate child abuse as much as anyone
Anonymous No.938135025
>>938134918
Its not a book you retard its the department of justices regulatory guide on how pedophilia and child sex trafficking are approached. And within the document it points to several sources that show how therapies for repeat offenders show little to no effect. Fucking read you lame faggot, the world isn't here to spoon feed your lazy ass. Either way its not the government's responsibility to make sure pedophiles are approached with less bias, they are just charged with getting them out of regular society so not much is going to convince them that a small group of criminals is worth the trouble regardless.
Anonymous No.938135060 >>938135337
>>938134964
Not even if it meant saving the planet by reducing the population? Personally I dont think people should be killed for it outright either but if they have already acted on it and have destroyed another person's life I won't raise my hand to stop the rifle.
Anonymous No.938135227 >>938135275
>>938134462
>Anybody in the system has already been caught and prosecuted because instead of seeking help they went ahead and crossed the line
are you retarded? or a refneck? both perhaps? if you actually believe this you are way too far up your own little bubble
Anonymous No.938135261 >>938135297
>>938134339
pedophiles would disagree
I've tried debating them on here before
Anonymous No.938135275 >>938135314 >>938135426
>>938135227
What the fuck makes you think pedophiles deserve sympathy? Because youre a pussy about it?
Anonymous No.938135296 >>938135375
>>938133834
How would this work in reality with the laws of societies such as entrapment laws?
>>938133945
>it's not about a certain body type or anything else, it's about abusing a relationship.
Where is your evidence for that? If it isn't about a body-type, then there would be some people who are attracted to the body-type of a child and couldn't be pedophiles i.e. they aren't attracted to the abuse of a relationship but are attracted to children—This doesn't make sense.
>>938134557
>The one that kills them.
Both of them would, big man.
Anonymous No.938135297
>>938135261
I know, but unfortunately they are completely wrong, if they weren't we wouldn't have an argument about it, it would already be settled know what I mean.
Anonymous No.938135314 >>938135426
>>938135275
You legit sound underage.
Shouldn't you be in school right now young man?
Anonymous No.938135337
>>938135060
hard to disagree with you, but I think there should be alternatives to murder or imprisonment for all criminals, not just pedos. there just has to be better solutions to the problems of the world.
Anonymous No.938135375 >>938135531
>>938135296
petite women is an entire thing
Anonymous No.938135426 >>938135531
>>938135314
>>938135275
Anonymous No.938135482 >>938135618 >>938136132
what's the age of consent? what's the age at which children are allowed to have sex?
Anonymous No.938135531 >>938141951 >>938145840
>>938134339
>Attraction to minors is a mental health issue
You aren't the APA/ICD.
>not supported
What does "supported" mean in this context? Are people being payed to fuck children???
>>938135375
>petite women is an entire thing
Yeah? They would have an overlap (probably less than 0.5%) with some children (especially near-pubescent), but they (the people who are attracted to this child body-type) would still be attracted to children which doesn't seem to align with non-pedophilia.
>>938135426
>correct
Anonymous No.938135618
>>938135482
Doesn't matter in the context of any of the discussions going on in this thread.
Anonymous No.938135642
I've been left permanently disturbed by the research I did on criminals. Particularly cannibals and MAPS.
Wrote a short story attempting to get into publishing. "Paraplegic veteran goes vigilante" he executes irredeemable people, such as addicts, MAPS, gang members, politicians. I was absolutely brutal and graphic.
Submitted to several fiction magazines, the most memorable reply was "this true crime is to realistic".
But the study and effort has left me with an intense urge to decapitate any pedophile I meet.
Anonymous No.938135886 >>938135923
"pedophiles don't hurt children"
Anonymous No.938135923 >>938136735
>>938135886
heads will roll
Anonymous No.938136000 >>938136085
why shouldn't children be allowed to have sex?
Anonymous No.938136085 >>938136237 >>938136237 >>938136735
>>938136000
Because children cannot give meaningful consent. Consent isn’t just about saying ‘yes’, it’s about having the mental, emotional, and developmental maturity to understand what you're agreeing to. Children lack the life experience and neurological development to grasp the full implications of sex, especially when it involves an adult.

That’s why the law recognizes a legal age of consent, to protect those who are still developing from being exploited or manipulated by those with more power, experience, and control.

To suggest that children should be allowed to have sex opens the door to abuse, trauma, and lifelong psychological damage. There’s a reason nearly every society and psychological body condemns adult-child sexual activity, it’s inherently coercive and harmful.

Calling out paedophilia as predatory isn’t about demonizing people, it’s about drawing a firm ethical line where the vulnerability and rights of children are protected above all else.
Anonymous No.938136132
>>938135482
The age of consent varies by country and jurisdiction, but that’s beside the point. The concept exists because society recognizes that children and young teens are not developmentally equipped to make informed decisions about sex, especially with adults. It’s not an arbitrary line; it’s based on decades of psychological, neurological, and legal research.

Even if the number changes slightly from place to place, 16 here, 18 there, the principle is the same: there’s a minimum threshold of maturity required to give real consent. Adults who pursue sex with those below that threshold are abusing a power imbalance. That’s why paedophilia is predatory, it targets those who can’t fully understand or resist.
Anonymous No.938136237 >>938136735
>>938136085
>>938136085
>To suggest that children should be allowed to have sex opens the door to abuse, trauma, and lifelong psychological damage
"it's only traumatic because of the stigma associated with it"
That claim is both dangerous and deeply misinformed. Trauma from child sexual abuse is not simply the result of social stigma, it’s the result of a profound violation of psychological, emotional, and physical boundaries at a time when the child is still developing. Research across cultures, even in cases where stigma was minimized, consistently shows long-term effects: depression, anxiety, PTSD, dissociation, trust issues, and difficulties with intimacy.

Stigma might amplify harm, but it doesn’t cause it. The core trauma comes from being used by someone in a position of power, long before a child has the tools to protect themselves, understand what’s happening, or even process it.

Minimizing that harm by blaming ‘stigma’ is just another tactic predators use to excuse exploitation. But reality, backed by science, survivor testimony, and decades of clinical evidence, doesn't support that excuse.
Anonymous No.938136684
someone stop the predators
Anonymous No.938136735 >>938136928 >>938136984 >>938137790
>>938135923
>heads will roll
Yours will due to your lack of ability to use it.
>>938136085
>Children lack the life experience and neurological development to grasp the full implications of sex
And adults don't? You would have to be omniscient to divine exactly what will happen due to your having sex (the full implications). Why do you think people accidentally "waste" 18 years of their life from just having sex?
>Calling out paedophilia as predatory
pedophilia is an attraction, not an action.
non-actions can't be predatory.
pedophilia (not pedophiles themselves) can't be predatory (in and of itself).
>>938136237
>Trauma from child sexual abuse is not simply the result of social stigma
There is literally no way (that I know of) to test that; That's unfalsifiable.
Anonymous No.938136928 >>938137893
>>938136735
> “And adults don't? You would have to be omniscient to divine exactly what will happen due to your having sex (the full implications).”
You don’t need to be omniscient, you just need to have the cognitive maturity to understand what sex is, what consent means, what consequences might arise (pregnancy, STDs, emotional impact), and what power dynamics are at play. Adults, even imperfect ones, are at least neurologically developed enough to make those assessments. Children are not. That’s not an opinion, it’s backed by neuroscience: executive function, impulse control, and emotional regulation are still developing well into the mid-20s.

> “Why do you think people accidentally ‘waste’ 18 years of their life from just having sex?”
Because sex does have consequences, especially when not handled responsibly. But the fact that even adults sometimes struggle with the consequences of sex reinforces, not undermines, the point: if it's complex and high-stakes for a grown adult, then it’s wildly inappropriate for a child who lacks the maturity to process it at all.

> “Pedophilia is an attraction, not an action. Non-actions can't be predatory.”
You’re technically right that the attraction itself is not an action. But acting on that attraction — grooming, fantasizing about, or seeking to justify adult-child sex, absolutely is predatory behavior. And when someone publicly advocates for allowing children to be sexually exploited, they are weaponizing their attraction in a way that directly harms others.

Being attracted to children is a condition; trying to normalize it or lower protections for children is predatory behavior. If someone has this condition and doesn't act on it, and actively seeks help or chooses to stay away from children, that's morally and socially responsible. But if someone argues that children should be able to have sex, they’ve crossed the line into justifying harm, and that’s where the predator label applies.
Anonymous No.938136962
Sex with robot shotas...
Anonymous No.938136984 >>938137893
>>938136735
Actually, it is testable, and has been tested.

There are decades of cross-cultural psychological research, case studies, and longitudinal data on child sexual abuse. Studies from societies with vastly different cultural attitudes toward sexuality, including some that have shown lower public stigma toward adult–child sexual contact, still report strong associations with trauma, including higher rates of depression, anxiety, PTSD, suicidal ideation, and impaired social functioning in victims.

If stigma alone caused trauma, we would expect to see significantly lower rates of psychological harm in low-stigma contexts. But we don’t. The trauma persists, even in environments where the abuse is hidden, normalized, or not publicly condemned, which, if anything, often increases harm due to the lack of support or recognition of the abuse.

Survivors consistently describe feelings of betrayal, confusion, fear, and deep psychological wounds that originate from the violation of trust and bodily autonomy, not from society’s opinion about it.

So no, it’s not “unfalsifiable.” It’s been repeatedly tested, and the evidence overwhelmingly shows that child sexual abuse is intrinsically harmful, regardless of how it's socially labeled.

Trying to reduce that harm to “just stigma” is an attempt to obscure reality and deflect moral responsibility.
Anonymous No.938137090
Physical damage since the smaller body is not biologically ready for this either
Anonymous No.938137790 >>938137893
>>938136735
>pedophilia is an attraction, not an action.
it has multiple definitions
Anonymous No.938137893 >>938138222 >>938138348 >>938138360 >>938138532
>>938136928
>You don’t need to be omniscient, you just need to have the cognitive maturity to understand what sex is
So, you can tell me exactly what will happen if you have sex with another person due the power of being an adult? You were the one who wrote: "the full implications of sex" (meaning exactly what will happen). I explained that even adults don't have the ability to understand the full implications of any action.
>even adults... struggle with the consequences of sex reinforces... the point: if it's complex... for (an) adult... it's inappropriate for a child
Yes? I wasn't defending sex with children. XD I was just stating that adults definitely don't understand the full extent of any of their actions.
>>938136984
>shown lower public stigma toward adult–child sexual contact
>The trauma persists, even in environments where the abuse is hidden
Okay. So, how are you sure that this is just due to the sexual contact and not due to the child disliking the sex contact and being forced into it (not allowed to leave or not allowed to leave without negative consequences)?
Could you provide a paper in a non-install-necessary format (browser viewable PDFs, articles hosted on websites... etc)
>>938137790
>it has multiple definitions
... and the psychological one is pretty clear.
Anonymous No.938138222 >>938138932
>>938137893
You're splitting hairs in an unhelpful way.

When I said “the full implications of sex,” I wasn’t referring to knowing the exact future. I was referring to a basic, developmentally appropriate level of awareness: the ability to understand what sex is, how it affects your body and mind, what kinds of consequences it can lead to (physical, emotional, legal), and whether or not you’re being manipulated.

Adults aren’t perfect, but they’re cognitively equipped to weigh those risks. Children are not. That’s the point. It's not about omniscience, it's about capacity. Adults have enough neurological maturity to participate in decisions involving intimacy, even if they sometimes get it wrong. Kids don’t even have the tools to understand what they’re agreeing to, let alone process things like coercion, consent, or consequences.

So yes, your point about adults not being omniscient is technically true, and totally irrelevant. The bar isn’t perfection. It’s developmental readiness. Children don’t meet that bar, and that’s why it's not just wrong but dangerous to suggest they should be involved in sexual situations at all.
Anonymous No.938138348 >>938138932
>>938137893
You're absolutely right to seek research that distinguishes the trauma caused by the sexual contact itself from trauma stemming from coercion or lack of agency. Here are several open-access, browser-viewable studies that shed light on this distinction—these sources clarify that the harm extends beyond mere forced circumstances, pointing to the intrinsic violation of bodily autonomy and trust.

Key Studies and Findings
Five-Decade Longitudinal Study on CSA Outcomes
This study tracks individuals across multiple decades, conducting robust controls for confounding factors. It finds that childhood sexual abuse is linked to long-term problems in physical health (e.g., systemic inflammation), mental health (e.g., internalizing disorders, suicide attempts), interpersonal issues, and more—even after adjusting for other adversities.
PMC

This suggests the abuse itself—regardless of coercion—has enduring effects across life domains.

Trauma Trajectories Among Adult Survivors
A longitudinal study in Norway of adult survivors of childhood sexual abuse shows that PTSD symptoms were significantly associated with experiences of physical violence, threats, or intense fear during the abuse, and lower perceived social support.
PubMed

This doesn't discount forced context, but emphasizes that the trauma severity isn't solely about whether they were forced—violative situations themselves drive persistent PTSD.

Systematic Review Linking CSA Disclosure and PTSD
A systematic review analyzing the link between childhood sexual abuse, disclosure patterns, and PTSD shows a consistent relationship between severity of abuse and PTSD symptoms, emphasizing the abuse experience’s intrinsic harm beyond external factors.
ResearchGate
Anonymous No.938138360 >>938138932
>>938137893
Survivor Perspectives (from Reddit)
Personal testimonials and qualitative reflections further illustrate that the trauma often reflects loss of control and betrayal, not merely stigma or being forced:

“Having control taken away... The survivor’s existing sense of meaning being damaged…”
Reddit

“Finkelhor: 'The crucial difference in adult‑child sex is the combination of children's lack of knowledge and lack of power... They cannot fully understand the ramifications… and are never fully free to accept or decline when interacting with an adult.’”
Reddit

These narratives underscore that trauma is rooted in the fundamental violation of bodily and psychological boundaries—not solely in social contexts.

In Summary
Yes, coercion exacerbates trauma—but that doesn't mean the sexual contact alone isn't harmful.

Even absent explicit force, the abuse of trust, innocence, and autonomy is deeply disruptive.

Long-term, well-controlled studies show the harm persists independent of stigma or cultural framing.

If you'd like direct links to these open-access papers or want a version tailored for a debate or academic context, happy to assist further.
Anonymous No.938138532 >>938138932
>>938137893
In everyday language, “paedophilia” is often used to refer both to the attraction and to the act
Anonymous No.938138932 >>938139067 >>938139215 >>938139231
>>938138222
>Kids don’t even have the tools to understand what they’re agreeing to, let alone process things like coercion, consent, or consequences.
Children can absolutely process intent: "Both two and three-year-old children could discriminate when an experimenter intentionally or accidentally marked a box with stickers." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theory_of_mind#Development
Children have a Theory of Mind: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sally%E2%80%93Anne_test#Outcomes
>>938138348
Do you have a link to the studies? Just re-prompt the LMM (sometimes they make-up stories about articles, which are called "hallucinations", so you need to actually read the article).
>>938138360
>Survivor Perspectives (from Reddit)
XD.
>>938138532
>In everyday language
Okay???
Anonymous No.938139067 >>938139182
>>938138932
Yes, children can recognize basic intentions — like whether someone meant to give them a sticker or not. That’s what studies on theory of mind (like the Sally-Anne test) demonstrate. But that’s a far cry from being able to grasp the psychological, emotional, physical, and moral complexities of sex and consent.

Understanding that “someone meant to do something” is not the same as being able to:

Recognize manipulation or grooming

Predict emotional consequences

Evaluate long-term effects on identity, relationships, and well-being

Understand power imbalances

Identify when they are being coerced, gaslit, or emotionally entrapped

Theory of mind develops in stages — and while basic forms appear early, the ability to understand layered, conflicting intentions or abstract social rules (like sexual ethics or informed consent) doesn’t emerge fully until adolescence or later.

That’s why developmental psychologists, neuroscientists, and legal systems around the world agree: children cannot meaningfully consent to sex. Not because they don’t understand anything, but because they don’t understand enough.

So pointing to early cognitive abilities like theory of mind is a red herring. It’s like saying a toddler can count to five, so they should do calculus. Recognition of intent ≠ capacity for informed consent.
Anonymous No.938139182
>>938139067
Okay. Can you link to the studies so that I can actually read them?
Anonymous No.938139215 >>938140307
>>938138932
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10287838/?utm_source=chatgpt.com

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28327414/

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/332720397_Child_sexual_abuse_disclosure_and_PTSD_A_systematic_and_critical_review?utm_source=chatgpt.com

https://www.reddit.com/r/Psychiatry/comments/bjscms/very_serious_subject_matter_im_looking_for/?utm_source=chatgpt.com

https://www.reddit.com/r/AskSocialScience/comments/pj2j5g/what_causes_an_adolescent_sexual_experience_to_be/?utm_source=chatgpt.com
Anonymous No.938139231
>>938138932
>>In everyday language
>Okay???
okay
Anonymous No.938140307 >>938140400 >>938140729 >>938140747
>>938139215
The ResearchGate article seems to only deal with disclosure process and PTSD severity: "Conclusion
Research investigating the relationship between disclosure processes and PTSD
responses is in the early stages of development and additional, validated measures for aspects of
disclosure processes (e.g., disclosures vs. no disclosure, disclosures to caregivers or friends,
timing of disclosures, level of disclosures, etc.) are needed. Ecological theories of trauma
responses help to draw attention to the many different ways in which disclosure can occur over
CHILD SEXUAL ABUSE, DISCLOSURE, & PTSD
21

time, such as to close friends and families (microsystem) or healthcare providers (exosystem), as
well as the impact of broader cultural factors (macrosystem) and the impact of co-occurring or
recurring violence exposures (chronosystem). As many studies evaluate only individual,
exposure, and specific microsystem factors, it is perhaps not surprising to find that the literature
indicates an inconsistent relationship between disclosure processes and PTSD."

The second link (PMC) states: "Increased odds for belonging to the trajectory with clinical level symptoms was found among those who reported higher levels of exposure to other types of childhood maltreatment (OR=3.69, p=0.002), sexual abuse enforced by physical violence (OR=3.04, p=0.003) or threats (OR=2.56, p=0.014), very painful sexual abuse (OR=2.73, p=0.007), or who had experienced intense anxiety, helplessness or fear during the abuse (OR=2.97, p=0.044)"

meaning that forced sexual contact (as I had said) greatly increases the chance of PTSS (Post Traumatic Stress Symptoms).

The first link (PMC) states: "we repeated our analyses with three alternative analytic groupings that differed in relative severity: those who reported (i) forced or attempted intercourse versus all other participants; (ii) forced intercourse versus all other participants; and (iii) forced intercourse versus no CSA."
Anonymous No.938140400 >>938140729 >>938140747
>>938140307
>Cont.
And "The first point to note is that the overall pattern of findings was consistent across the different definitions, albeit with some differences in statistical significance due to severity-related differences in effect size (i.e., smaller effect sizes for comparisons with less severe CSA types)"
Meaning, again, that non-forced sexual contact is less harmful (as I had stated).
Anonymous No.938140729 >>938141871 >>938141871
>>938140307
>>938140400
You're misrepresenting what the data actually shows.

Yes, more violent or coercive forms of sexual abuse correlate with greater harm — that’s expected. But that doesn’t mean non-coercive abuse is harmless. It simply means that the severity of trauma exists on a spectrum, not a binary of “harmful vs. fine.” Here’s what the studies actually show:

From the PMC study (2023):
"Findings were consistent across different CSA definitions [...] albeit with differences in statistical significance due to severity-related differences in effect size."

That means all types of CSA studied — including those not involving overt force — were associated with negative outcomes. The differences were in how strong the effects were, not whether they were present. Even non-forceful CSA showed statistically significant links to:

Mental health issues (e.g., depression, suicidality)

Physical health issues

Antisocial behavior

Poor interpersonal functioning

So yes — force makes it worse, but even “less severe” forms still cause long-term harm.

From the Norwegian longitudinal study (PubMed):
“The presence of intense fear, helplessness, or anxiety during the abuse predicted PTSD symptoms.”

This doesn’t say trauma only arises from violence — it says that emotional overwhelm and perceived powerlessness, even without overt force, is enough to drive lasting trauma. Children don’t need to be physically pinned down to feel powerless, manipulated, or frozen in fear.

Misuse of “less harmful = acceptable”
Saying “non-forced CSA is less harmful” doesn’t justify it — a bullet to the leg is less harmful than a bullet to the head, but that doesn’t mean we condone shooting people in the leg. "Less harmful" is still deeply harmful when we’re talking about children’s developing minds, bodies, and futures.
Anonymous No.938140747
>>938140307
>>938140400
Bottom Line
The harm of CSA is not limited to physical force.

Apparent “willingness” from a child doesn’t make it consensual or non-traumatizing.

Minimizing “non-forced” CSA is dangerous and unsupported by the research.

The violation of a child’s autonomy and developmental readiness is inherently harmful, regardless of how “peaceful” the abuse appears from the outside.
Anonymous No.938141318 >>938141556 >>938142039 >>938142107
is there deadass someone trying to say having sex with a kid is ok and un traumatising
Anonymous No.938141556
>>938141318
ikr?
Anonymous No.938141871 >>938143246
>>938140729
>that doesn’t mean non-coercive abuse is harmless
Yes? I was saying that the scenarios aren't equal... and they aren't.
>>938140729
>emotional overwhelm and perceived powerlessness, even without overt force, is enough to drive lasting trauma.
I quoted that. Clearly that specific quote isn't saying that every single instance of sexual contact is harmful.
>Even non-forceful CSA showed statistically significant links to...
Yes, but that doesn't prove the original claim that "Trauma from child sexual abuse is not simply the result of social stigma"; If we're talking specifically about non-forceful sexual contact, then you'd need to bring up data that addresses that trauma from sexual contact isn't just the result of social stigma, but that it is the result of the sexual contact with specific regards to non-forceful sexual contact, since it's only within that scope.
Anonymous No.938141951 >>938142048 >>938142107
>>938135531
Supported by people who think MAPS is a better alternative than ostricism. I see you folks are still arguing in favor of pedophiles, sad.
Anonymous No.938142039 >>938142074
>>938141318
He has been since he first got btfo and refused to read anything that showed him pedophilia is not a redeemable quality of humans.
Anonymous No.938142048 >>938142082
>>938141951
who are you referring to by you folks
Anonymous No.938142074
>>938142039
its proven every time to mentally and physically destroy childrens bodies and lives, what a retard
Anonymous No.938142082 >>938142111
>>938142048
Sorry, you ~niggers~ are still arguing in favor of pedophiles. Sad.
Anonymous No.938142107 >>938142149 >>938142375
>>938141318
XD. No, I'm not making the assertion that sexual contact with willing children is usually not traumatizing; I'm saying that there doesn't seem to be a wealth of evidence for the counter-assertion that all situations of sexual contact are necessarily traumatizing (I don't think that fucking kids is good XD).
>>938141951
>Supported by people who think MAPS is a better alternative than ostricism.
I believe MAPs is not a new term at all and is used by psychologists as an umbrella term to group pedo, hebe.. philes into one category (for psychological studies and other purposes), although it could have been adopted by pedophiles more recently (IDK).
Anonymous No.938142111
>>938142082
Oh! im white nevermind
Anonymous No.938142149 >>938142272
>>938142107
literally any child that has been sexually assaulted has shown to have trauma whether its hidden or obvious
Anonymous No.938142198
Sex with robots
Anonymous No.938142272 >>938142343 >>938142363 >>938142405
>>938142149
>literally any child that has been sexually assaulted has shown to have trauma
As in I could pick-out any child and they would have trauma? That statement is the same as "All children who've had sexual contact with a post-pubescent have trauma", but how can you be absolutely sure that that's true?
Anonymous No.938142343 >>938142576
>>938142272
any child who has been sexually assaulted has trauma yes my god why do you need this explained??
Anonymous No.938142363 >>938142576
>>938142272
teenagers are different dont even try that argument, and no that doesnt mean adults and teens should be allowed to fuck
Anonymous No.938142375 >>938142576
>>938142107
Nobody said 8t was a new term faggot, stop putting words in people's mouths because you dont have an argument. Pedophilism is defined by the APA as a mental disorder, the US DOJ has already proven that repeat offenders are most likely to avoid rehab and will offend again. Pedophiles dont need wiggle room, stop pretending that people shouldnt be responsible for their own actions.
Anonymous No.938142405 >>938142576
>>938142272
Just dont fuck kids, why is that hard?
Anonymous No.938142468 >>938142495 >>938142507
Children are made with the express purpose of servicing adult cock. Anyone denying this is denying reality
Anonymous No.938142495 >>938142565
>>938142468
Go ahead, approach my child.
Anonymous No.938142507 >>938142538
>>938142468
just end it at this point
Anonymous No.938142538 >>938142726
>>938142507
Nah, I'd rather make you squirm
Anonymous No.938142565 >>938142636 >>938142718
>>938142495
Womt have to. They're in your churches, they're in your schools, they're possibly in your home as I type this. Pedos are the past, present, and future.
Anonymous No.938142576 >>938142665 >>938142671
>>938142343
>my god why do you need this explained??
No, I want evidence not an "explanation" (opinion).
>>938142363
>teenagers are different dont even try that argument
???
>no that doesnt mean adults and teens should be allowed to fuck
Okay?
>>938142375
>Pedophilism is defined by the APA as a mental disorder
No, but "paraphilic disorder not otherwise specified" includes pedophilia under the condition that it causes harm to oneself of others i.e. just an attraction (pedophilia) isn't enough to have the disorder.
>>938142405
>Just dont fuck kids, why is that hard?
Strawman much?
Anonymous No.938142636
>>938142565
unfortunately youre right
Anonymous No.938142665 >>938142997
>>938142576
go ask any child that got raped you retard autist
Anonymous No.938142671 >>938142709 >>938142997 >>938143492
>>938142576
Holy shit dude, why are you incapable of being honest about anything?
Pedophilism is a mental illness, fucking christ.

https://www.apa.org/news/press/releases/2013/10/pedophilia-mental
Anonymous No.938142709
>>938142671
he must be a pedo coping or something
Anonymous No.938142718 >>938142746 >>938142797
>>938142565
They arent that relevant, you realize the pedo population is marginally larger than the trans community which is a tiny fraction of nothing right?
Anonymous No.938142726 >>938142797
>>938142538
they biologically are not made to fuck adults, but im sure youre just saying this to troll so whatever
Anonymous No.938142746 >>938142817
>>938142718
thats terrifying if thats true
Anonymous No.938142797 >>938142838 >>938142845
>>938142718
Has being relevant stopped literally anything from still being?
>>938142726
Of course I am, the ones who immediately go to violence aren't getting the full picture and aren't worth including in the conversation if you ACTUALLY want to do something about it.
Anonymous No.938142817 >>938142865
>>938142746
Why? Because your conflate idea of reality is based on fear mongering bullshit fed to you by retards on the internet and main stream media? Pedos are a tiny portion of the population its why there arent any real cries to give them a hug box outside of reddit. I love that the MAPS group on that site is literally a honey pot though.
Anonymous No.938142838 >>938149626
>>938142797
>Has being relevant stopped literally anything from still being
Yes, nobody gives a fuck about pedophiles in real life, just you weird fucks on the internet argue about it on the daily
Anonymous No.938142845 >>938142908
>>938142797
what the hell does that second part even mean?
Anonymous No.938142865 >>938142948
>>938142817
that guy said theyre a large part of the population i said IF its true thats terrifying. read properly next time retard
Anonymous No.938142908 >>938142932 >>938149626
>>938142845
He's in favor of finding solutions for nonoffending pedophiles but refuses to accept that people are responsible for their own actions and if they act on this impulse to abuse children he doesn't think they should be punished because hes a pedophile sympathizer who refuses to see the reality that pedos are worthless broken waste of space.
Anonymous No.938142932 >>938142987
>>938142908
oh lovely. is the is the same guy who said children are born to fuck adults.
Anonymous No.938142948 >>938142979
>>938142865
I said they are marginally larger than Trans people which are a tiny fraction of the population, where did I say they where a large portion?
Anonymous No.938142979 >>938143014
>>938142948
...thats still a lot of people? im not going to argue about this. once again i said 'if' so why care?
Anonymous No.938142987
>>938142932
Yeah, hes called OP and hes a weird pedophile pretending to be otherwise
Anonymous No.938142997 >>938143035 >>938143047 >>938143074
>>938142665
>go ask any child that got raped
Anecdotes aren't good evidence in this circumstance. I want proper data.
>>938142671
"wrong" would the APA make a moral, rather than scientific, statement like that? What's the source?
Wikipedia gives me: "In recent versions of formal diagnostic coding systems such as the DSM-5 and ICD-11, "pedophilia" is distinguished from "pedophilic disorder". Pedophilic disorder is defined as a pattern of pedophilic arousal accompanied by either subjective distress or interpersonal difficulty, or having acted on that arousal. The DSM-5 requires that a person must be at least 16 years old, and at least five years older than the prepubescent child or children they are aroused by, for the attraction to be diagnosed as pedophilic disorder. Similarly, the ICD-11 excludes sexual behavior among post-pubertal children who are close in age. The DSM requires the arousal pattern must be present for 6 months or longer, while the ICD lacks this requirement. The ICD criteria also refrain from specifying chronological ages."
The highlight would be: ""pedophilia" is distinguished from "pedophilic disorder"" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedophilia
Anonymous No.938143014 >>938143066
>>938142979
Its not a lot of people retard, Trans people make up 0.01% of the population. Pedos are something l8ke 0.03-4
Anonymous No.938143035 >>938143246
>>938142997
Nigger the source is literally APA.org and youre a really bad troll.
Anonymous No.938143047 >>938143246
>>938142997
are you deadass. "oh yeah children who got raped and say they're traumatised yeah no thats not good information because thats just their story!"
Anonymous No.938143066 >>938143093
>>938143014
i come across pedos on every media app on the daily, theres still obviously too many lmao
Anonymous No.938143074 >>938143106
>>938142997
>Wikipedia is a source but the actual press release from APA, the folks that define the shit, is not.
Whew lad, youre a pedophile.
Anonymous No.938143093 >>938143122
>>938143066
>I see them on the internet
I see Trans people here to but have only ever met one irl, thanks for your anecdote though.
Anonymous No.938143106 >>938143128
>>938143074
hes just coping
if youre a pedo please either end it or just accept it and stay away from kids
Anonymous No.938143122
>>938143093
LOL okay man, idc how many there are, even one is too many
Anonymous No.938143128 >>938143141 >>938143299
>>938143106
Umm thanks? Dunno why you think your input is needed there.
Anonymous No.938143141
>>938143128
because its a public thread and i think pedos should do that? asswipe?
Anonymous No.938143246 >>938143492
>>938143035
link?
>>938143047
It's not amazing data, no. I want the data that I wrote about here: >>938141871
Anonymous No.938143299 >>938143512
>>938143128
was literally supporting you man, didnt need to be a dick lol
Anonymous No.938143492 >>938143722 >>938143894
>>938143246
https://www.apa.org/news/press/releases/2013/10/pedophilia-mental

Get fucked weirdo
>>938142671
Anonymous No.938143512
>>938143299
Im not here to have fun, this is serious shit bro
Anonymous No.938143722 >>938144239
>>938143492
According to the ICD-11 (2025) It's specifically marked, necessarily, by behaviour: "In addition, in order for Pedophilic Disorder to be diagnosed, the individual must have acted on these thoughts, fantasies or urges or be markedly distressed by them. This diagnosis does not apply to sexual behaviours among pre- or post-pubertal children with peers who are close in age." https://icd.who.int/browse/2025-01/mms/en#517058174
Anonymous No.938143894 >>938144287 >>938144322 >>938144357 >>938144400 >>938144462
>>938143492
"To be diagnosed with a paraphilic disorder, DSM-5 requires that people “feel personal distress” about their atypical sexual interest or have a desire or behavior that harms another person or involves “unwilling” persons or “persons unable to give legal consent.
"The APA said in its statement that “‘sexual orientation’ is not a term used in the diagnostic criteria for pedophilic disorder and its use in the DSM-5 text discussion is an error and should read ‘sexual interest.’”

meaning that it should read as: "According to the DSM-5, pedophilia “refers to a sexual interest or profession of sexual preference devoid of consummation, whereas pedophilic disorder is defined as a compulsion and is used in reference to individuals who act on their sexuality,”"

"https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/oct/31/apa-correct-manual-clarification-pedophilia-not-se/"
Anonymous No.938144239 >>938144462
>>938143722
Great, APA ranks higher on the federal consideration. Kind of like how OSHA means more than what your boss tells you. Pedophilia is a mental illness and should be treated as one.
Anonymous No.938144287 >>938144462
>>938143894
>the Washington times making corrections for a press release
No way! How much more could you cartwheel over the truth on this one. Pedophilia is a problem, its a mental health problem and should be addressed as one. Stop putting mental health disorders on a pedestal.
Anonymous No.938144322 >>938144462
>>938143894
>both are still framed as a disorder involving sexual perversion
Not much of a difference there.
Anonymous No.938144357 >>938144479
>>938143894
Not even a real source hahaha
Anonymous No.938144400 >>938144526
>>938143894
All that story is about is the apa manual calling it a sexual preference, it doesn't negate it as a mental illness you fucking weird retard
Anonymous No.938144462 >>938148878
>>938144239
>federal consideration.
Okay. What about >>938143894
>>938144287
No, it wasn't "The Washington Times" it was the APA. Did you read the source?
>>938144322
>both are still framed as a disorder involving sexual perversion
Yes? "Pedophilic disorder" isn't pedophilia but it requires pedophilia (which the APA calls a "sexual interest").
Anonymous No.938144479 >>938148668
>>938144357
Try: https://web.archive.org/web/20210317020215/https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/oct/31/apa-correct-manual-clarification-pedophilia-not-se/
Anonymous No.938144526 >>938148558 >>938148878
>>938144400
>it doesn't negate it as a mental illness
The APA is specifically differentiating between "pedophilic disorder" (a disorder) and pedophilia (a "sexual interest"). What don't you get?
Anonymous No.938145840
>>938135531
>epstein
Anonymous No.938145936 >>938146159
when I get time traveling and my own universe I'm going back through time saving every child who's ever been murdered and tortured to serve these sick fucks whims, I'm the guy who wants restorative justice and preventative justice, but I'm at a loss for what to do with these fucking psychopaths.
Anonymous No.938145987 >>938146159
I really hope the government is nice to psychics and they're not slaves
Anonymous No.938146159
>>938145936
>>938145987
>cringe
Anonymous No.938146315 >>938147377
robot children are more of a japan thing, and touching kids is wrong so touching machines is ok. but a kid machine and touching it is also wrong. so there you go. splitting machines from a larger structure into smaller optimize components, we will make child robots as the ultimate killer due to mico-management, killing every pedo that even thought about it
Anonymous No.938146373 >>938147484
>>938133569 (OP)
i'm looking forward to whenever robots become self-aware.
Anonymous No.938147377 >>938148012
>>938146315
micro drones are a thing. don't be surprised if all the truly evil people evaporate. i look forward to heaven on earth, if He comes back. just imagine how good things are going to be, bet you can't. I have had dreams of many different omega points from many different universes, but this universes omega point is too beautiful to imagine.
Anonymous No.938147484
>>938146373
I look forward to a happier version of terminator.
Anonymous No.938147588 >>938147969
blowing people apart has to stop
how do we reverse the insect apocalypse?
Anonymous No.938147758 >>938147911
>>938134268
don't fuck dogs you fucking freaks
Anonymous No.938147877
Please God please
God please God please
Anonymous No.938147911
>>938147758
how else will we get furries?
Anonymous No.938147969
>>938147588
maybe the world better off without most insects, maybe they really are demons
Anonymous No.938148012 >>938148575
>>938147377
"truly evil" how do you define that?

what's fake evil?
Anonymous No.938148558 >>938148878
>>938144526
They are both considered a mental health issue, what dont you get?
Anonymous No.938148575
>>938148012
Fuck off back reddit space
Anonymous No.938148668 >>938148901
>>938144479
No I read it, it doesn't change that pedophilia is still considered a mental illness in their own words and that any action taken in the course of pedophilia is criminal. There is literally no erasing this fact.
Anonymous No.938148878
>>938148558
>>938144462
>>938144526
Anonymous No.938148901
>>938148668
>pedophilia
pedophilic disorder*
Anonymous No.938149626
>>938142838
Delusional
>>938142908
You had the first part correct. If people act upon their urges in a way that hurts someone else then yes they should be punished accordingly. But just saying oh noes pedos we needs to kills em all isn't going to solve anything. If you actually want to help kids you're going to need to actually be able to discuss it with the "offending" party. Otherwise they're just going to hide away and strike from the shadows.
Anonymous No.938150694 >>938154568
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Anonymous No.938152524 >>938154568
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Anonymous No.938154568
>>938152524
>>938150694
you're a glownigger bot lmao