Thread 938146476

Don't get caught in a philosophical trap with a bunch of academic mumbo jumbo. Capitalism is better than socialism for one simple reason: abundance. That is, you can buy more stuff and you can buy better stuff. In socialist countries, there is only one type of bread and one type of wine. In capitalist countries, you can choose between may types of bread and many varieties of wine. In socialist countries, goods are designed to serve one utilitarian purpose and are not designed to be enjoyed. In capitalist countries, goods are designed to be enjoyable in addition to serving a purpose. Take hotels and cars for example. In a socialist country, a hotel is nothing more than a room to sleep in. In a capitalist country, hotels are more than just a room to sleep in, there is also room service, pools, exercise equipment, and hospitality. In a socialist country, cars come in only one model and two colors, and it has nothing more than what you strictly need to drive. In a capitalist country, there are many models and colors of cars and they come with seat warmers, air conditioning, and Bluetooth speakers.

That is the straightforward and piratical reason capitalism is better of socialism stripped of all the academic and philosophical talk.

CONSOOOOMMM!!!!!

>>938147283
will do

>>938146476 (OP)
>>938146476 (OP)
This has to be bait. OP is a colossal fag (as per usual) whose argument boils down to “I like capitalism because of the large variety of jingling keys it produces for me.” Abundance fags need the wall ASAP. If they have their way they will rape what few resources are left so they can continue to buy funko pops and fap to AI porn of Greta Thunberg. The solution to the world’s problems is not increased industrialization and consumption you braindead moron.

>>938147921
1200 calories are needed for daily surviving, the state will provide for you

>>938147322
>you can buy more stuff and you can buy better stuff.

>>938148387
That sounds like communism. Capitalism would just let the people die until they have an immediate economic benefit not to. Can't let profits slip next quarter. Ever.

>>938147921
Variety in goods isn't just about shiny toys or funko pops—it's about options that improve quality of life. Capitalism incentivizes innovation, so you get better tech, medicine, and yes, even bread. Socialism's one-size-fits-all approach often leads to stagnation and shortages, not just fewer flavors of wine. Resources aren't infinite, sure, but capitalism's efficiency in allocation through markets beats central planning's track record. Check history: Soviet bread lines vs. Walmart shelves. Which one’s braindead?

>>938146476 (OP)
>there is only one type of bread

>>938151641
It certainly did incentivize that. Until following those incentives lead to being bought out and suffocated by competition that was there first.

>>938146476 (OP)
So if choice is a trap, capitalism is bigger trap?

There's fear to have nothing ,
then fear to not have enough,
and fear to not have everything.
What drives u?

>>938146476 (OP)
Good little vassal, your capitalist overlords appreciate you making them richer while they give you table scraps

>>938146476 (OP)
holy based. I can even hear Reagan's voice saying this

>>938151641
Late stage capitalism incentivized enshittification. When the market is mature the only way to get more profit is to squeeze it out of the customer. That means shittier products, smaller portions, and fuckall for customer service.

>>938147921
>>>938146476 (OP) (OP)
>>>938146476 (OP) (OP)
>This has to be bait. OP is a colossal fag (as per usual) whose argument boils down to “I like capitalism because of the large variety of jingling keys it produces for me.” Abundance fags need the wall ASAP. If they have their way they will rape what few resources are left so they can continue to buy funko pops and fap to AI porn of Greta Thunberg. The solution to the world’s problems is not increased industrialization and consumption you braindead moron.

Moron commie liar. Your mommie says KYS.

>>938151641
>▶>>938151813 >>938154392
>>>938147921
>Variety in goods isn't just about shiny toys or funko pops—it's about options that improve quality of life. Capitalism incentivizes innovation, so you get better tech, medicine, and yes, even bread. Socialism's one-size-fits-all approach often leads to stagnation and shortages, not just fewer flavors of wine. Resources aren't infinite, sure, but capitalism's efficiency in allocation through markets beats central planning's track record. Check history: Soviet bread lines vs. Walmart shelves. Which one’s braindead?

This.

>>938154526
You're not very bright are you consumer fren. In 2025 you're not just the customer, you're the product, the only one the governing elite is paid to keep as cheap as possible.

But Donald Trump, the champion of unfettered capitalism, says I don't need 5 dolls. I can get by with a lot less. I'm so confused. Who do I believe?

>>938148387
Must be a twink faggot if you can survive on 1200 caloria day

>>938146476 (OP)
>Capitalism is better than socialism for one simple reason: abundance.
Wtf are you talking about? Abundance for who? I don't have abundance at all. The only one's living in abundance are the elites. The elites in the Soviet Union had abundance too. What about the regular people who toil away in shit jobs all hour of the day?

>>938146476 (OP)
Abundance and variety are definitely strengths of capitalism, I think most people would agree having options is better than being stuck with one bread, one wine, one car.
But abundance alone doesn’t make a system “better” for everyone. Capitalism also produces scarcity in other ways, not everyone can afford those choices, and sometimes quality is sacrificed for profit.

The real question might not be capitalism vs socialism as absolutes, but how to combine abundance, innovation, and enjoyment with fairness, accessibility, and sustainability.
Bread and wine are better when everyone gets to eat and drink.

>>938146476 (OP)
In Soviet Russia, the toilet is only a place to take a shit. In capitalism, there's a hole in the wall you can put your dick through and have it sucked by someone who may or may not be a woman.

>>938146476 (OP)
>In capitalist countries, you can choose between may types of bread and many varieties of wine.
No. For me it's only the cheapest bread and wine only on a good day. And that is also the cheapest wine. Wtf are you talking about?

>>938146476 (OP)
> abundance
> requires money
> not for everyone
> by its very nature classist access to resources
OP is retarded

>>938147283
This man wasn't even a real Indian, but an Italian actor.

>>938146476 (OP)
Let me, and my old pal, Uncle Frank, break it down for people in the simplest of terms....

>>938157601
Lazy poor fag detected

capitalism has economic mobility and opportunities for everyone. socialism is when you must be friends with the dictator to be their version of rich and our version of lower middle class

the bottom 20% in a capitalist society have higher standards of living than the top 10% under socialism

capitalism is better than socialism, yes

but surely there's something better than capitalism?

>>938146476 (OP)
>socialism
boomer detected

>>938160522
>but surely there's something better than capitalism?
maybe but our species has yet to come up with it

>>938160522
Capitalism is what evolved organically from human interaction. It's just what worked best. All artificial systems end up as a dysfunctional mess.

>>938160615
>>938160564
I think a sincerely benevolent dictatorship or a completely impartial AI technocracy are the apex government styles, but neither of those exclude capitalism

>>938160843
>benevolent dictatorship
Impossible. You might get one or two leaders that are benevolent, but since there is no check on power, the brutal sociopaths float to the top and end up in charge.
>completely impartial AI technocracy
That tech doesn't exist, nor is it likely to. The billionaires funding research do it for their own wealth and power. They're not going to give that up.

>>938146476 (OP)
Get a job, you cocksucking nigger

>>938161127
I have something better than a job: capital gains.

>>938157768
I'm unemployed, throte destroyed and on EBT (edible butt treats)

>>938147921
Actually I use bait to get my son to let me change his diapers all the time so I disagree, pretty ridiculous but it would work.

>>938155121
Tariffs are socialism. Trump is friendlier with Putin and Kim Jong-un than leaders of capitalist countries. I am a Reagan/Bush Republican and not a Trump Republican. I will say however, that when Trump said "you only need one doll" I love that it got the left to defend abundance capitalism and say girls should have as many dolls as they want (which is true btw and very based).

>>938161155
I have something better than capital gains: rich parents who are white.

We all need to grow more vegetables and be self sustaining mini farms

>>938161358
I have this already, I hate people and would rather just not. I also have multiple chickens, quale, ducks (regrettably), goats, 2 dairy cows, and 4 sheep. I've had alpacas, geese, steer, reindeer and buffalo but all those cubts are annoying, this is my last year with ducks, Christmas is gonna be uuge

>>938161689
Do you do double dig and raised beds and composting?

>>938161837
They blew like 500 bucks making the garden and grew enough stuff for a a single salad.

>>938161751
No, some raised for Feng shui and no i live in the woods.

>>938156867
thats commie joo talk

>>938159955
>doesn't know what socialism or capitalism actually mean

>>938162366
See brother, the system can be toppled. But if it means my favorite (ecofriendly) coffee shop goes out of business its because of the system.

>>938160615
So what do you call what we have in the US, where the government choses winners and losers, and bail out the billionaires with our money when they fuck up and crater the economy every 8 to 12 years?

>>938163341
"Opportunity"

>>938163341
Institutions that also evolved naturally from embedded wisdom, read Edmund Burke and his theories on institutionalism, it's supposed to be the theoretical foundation for conservatism but unfortunately modern Republicans are increasingly moving away from it

>>938163265
I was talking about how socialism work in practice and not the delusional ramblings of Karl Marx

>>938146476 (OP)
this feels like nuri

>>938146476 (OP)
idk i prefer my existentialism over consumerism

>>938167781
Look, existentialism sounds deep and meaningful, but let's talk about what you actually get. With consumerism, you get concrete improvements to your daily life. You get a comfortable mattress that helps you sleep better, a reliable car that gets you where you need to go, a smartphone that connects you to people and information instantly. You get restaurants with good food, entertainment systems for relaxation, and clothes that fit well and look good.

With existentialism, what do you actually get? You get to sit around thinking about the meaning of life while sleeping on a hard floor because buying a good mattress is 'inauthentic consumption.' You get to feel authentic while being uncomfortable, disconnected, and limiting your options. Existentialism gives you the 'freedom' to reject things that would actually make your life better.

Consumerism gives you air conditioning in summer, heating in winter, and variety in your meals. Existentialism gives you the philosophical satisfaction of rejecting these comforts while you're sweating, shivering, or eating the same basic food every day. One improves your actual living conditions, the other just makes you feel intellectually superior about having worse living conditions.

Capitalism cannot even feed and clothe everyone in a nation.

>>938168362
based

>>938169582
socialism deliberately starves people, see the Holodomor