Thread 938164928

What is the best weapon for self-defense?

Flamethrower

>>938164928 (OP)
the one you're comfortable with

>>938164928 (OP)
segregation

>>938164928 (OP)
garlic breath

>>938164928 (OP)
AR-15 for bare minimum, then a handgun, most powerful with a lot of rounds.

>>938165161
>a lot of rounds
tap-tap, you're done

>>938164928 (OP)
A hipoint 9mm

>>938165161
don't listen to this dipshit idiot

love.

>>938165134
This

>>938165460
this unironically

>>938165255
>tap-tap, you're done
Source: Osama bin Laden v SEALs

>>938164928 (OP)
Being a man

>>938164928 (OP)
>personal defense
whatever 9mm or greater handgun you're able/willing to carry every day. Glock 19 is the default choice if you can carry and conceal it effectively all the time, otherwise it's worth looking at the current crop of micro 9s or maybe a .380 (S&W Bodyguard is good) if you're really struggling.
>home defense
16" AR-15 with a red dot and a light. Any reputable brand.

Just make sure to train with both.

>>938164928 (OP)
Money.

Having people provide security is always better, since at most you're only 1 pair of eyes who have to sleep sometimes. You want real security? Be rich.

>>938164973
this, and make sure you actually know how to use the weapon; practice with it

>>938164928 (OP)
Not a Taurus g3 that's for sure

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>>938164928 (OP)
A bow is the best, generally speaking.
>Can reuse arrows forever if they are good quality
>Can easily make string from forest materials
>Can make arrows from wood
>Ranged
They are 100% the best survival weapon that exists.

IF, And ONLY IF, you have access to a very, VERY large amount of ammunition - then guns are vastly superior. The problem is, unless you have 10,000 rounds stored, you will run out of bullets very quickly.
In that case that you do have a large stockpile, then the superiority chart is as follows:
SMG > Shotgun > Assault rifle > Precision rifle > Pistol > Bows.

For 90% of people, a bow will be the best choice for actual long term survival.
But for the 10% who can stockpile, or if we are talking sheer firepower alone, then a gun obviously wins.

In the absence of bows and guns, a throwable spear, or throwing knives is the next best option. And in the absence of those, a sword wins.
Then it’s axe, baseball bat, and finally a plank of wood or pole.
At the very bottom of the list we have a stick.

>>938165891
Glock 19 isn't even in top 5 for cc, there are so many better options now. Yrmv.

>>938164928 (OP)
In a true SHTF scenario bullets would become scarce pretty quickly
Once that happens youre fucked
If your gun fails you are fucked
If your guns become rusty you are fucked

But arrows last a loooong time and if you’re determined enough you can iust build a bow out of wood so you’ll always have that option

It’s good to have both, you want the guns for the intense scenarios and a bow for if shit ever turns into fallout and you have to live long term

bullets take a loooong time to make
Bow string can be made in a day with rawhide using the flesh of your enemies

>>938164928 (OP)
Small and easy to hide.
If an attacker manages to take it from you it cannot be used against you

Have 2 x 9mm S&W. An Ar15. And a 22lr glock. Variety in ammunition. 22lr is good for defense. Low recoil and the bullet maintains enough velocity to enter, but not always exit the body, often causing it to bounce around inside the body. Then compound that with using hollow points

Glock 34 with a light for my nightstand

Ar-15 with a light, 2x flip scope and red dot as my truck gun

Rarely carry an EDC because I don't live in a nigger infested shithole but it'd be a bare glock 19

Only gun I've had to use in defense was the rifle, had a pack of wild boar run thru my camp.

>>938167547
.22lr is the best calibre for long term survival if you’re relying on a firearm, simply because of its small form factor
You are able to fit four times as many .22lr cartridges in a box compared to 5.56 or 12ga, which means you can stockpile a LOT more .22lr than other calibres

>>938164928 (OP)
Honestly, a snub nosed revolver. Caliber doesn't even matter, you can get one in 22LR they make defensive ammo specifically for them. You get as much energy out of that tiny bullet as a medieval warbow.

at the end of the day larger calibres are obviously superior- but it won’t matter if you run out of them when your enemy still has 100,000 rounds of lr left in his truck
it’s not just sheer firepower alone that wins, it’s the ability to outlive and survive long term

what really matters is consistency and longevity with your chosen weapon and the ability to use that weapon when it comes to it >>938164973 which this anon already said so

>>938164928 (OP)
I mean if you really want to get into it then it depends on the situation, theres circumstances where a knife would outperform a gun or a cbow
Your question is too broad scoped

>>938167598
Especially when you consider the cost per pew factor. They even make ARs that fire 22lr. I prefer the variety. They way I have my go bag setup, every member in my family could carry a firearm that would match their capabilities. Oddly enough, my small wife has the best accuracy at 200yrds

>>938167266
>Best for defense
>Best for survival

You A. Vote democrat B. Eat crayons C. Both.

>>938167755
>consider the cost per pew factor
Checked, which more importantly translates into more practice. Especially given how pleasant the round is to shoot.

>>938164928 (OP)
When youre out and about, a pistol. Otherwise, an ar15, or any semi auto rifle really.

>>938167362
absolute noguns take
there are millions and millions of rounds of ammo in America
you can easily stockpile enough to last a lifetime in a realistic survival situation
your guns will also last a lifetime if properly maintained, aside from a few wear parts that are easy to keep on hand and replace, and that maintenance is also easy if you're not shooting a ton, which you won't be in a real SHTF

>>938167837
You could sit the all day with a 22. My old man has a large cache that includes probably 5x what I got along with silencer and even more stockpiles. The plan would be just to meet up with him and plan from there

>>938167547
22lr is shit for self defense, especially from pistol length barrels. It does not bounce around, and hollow points would bounce around even less. 22 lacks the penetration to reliability hit vital organs required to actually stop threats

>>938164928 (OP)
Why live somewhere where you have to defend yourself?

The house is unlocked and my cars have the key in the ignition.

>>938167362
Thats why i stockpile ammo over buying guns. I have close to 50k rounds of various types but most being .223, 9mm, .22lr, 12 guage, like 40k of that 50 is split between those

The rest split in 500-1000 or so rounds of others and some small specials that never go over 250.

I figure guns will be easy to come by when the time comes

>>938167880
I guess youre right yeah theres probably more than enough

>>938167919
Yeah I can respect that
Arguably more important to have the rounds than the guns themselves

>>938167894
a gun is a gun at the end of the day

>>938167894
The point of a .22lr in a fire fight is the amount of ammo you can carry. I can easily carry 900 rounds in 30 round magazines of .22lr. thats a lot of lead in the air and will make anyone keep their head down until one of us runs out of ammo

Which wont be me lol

>>938167945
That's bare gel, actual real threats have things like clothing, bones, fur/hides, etc

>>938168015
One and done

revolver

>>938168041
Thats not how real life works. Even people trained for firefights under stress miss most of the time. There is almost never a "one and done" in a firefight. Just haveing 30 rounds in a magazine makes you deadlier than 9 rounds in a 9mm. Thise nine go fast and if you dont diable me you die

>>938168015
Then why don't police/militaries/armed civilians do that? Your abstract conceptualization of a gun fight ignores the actual realities.

targeted marketing, pinkerton did a study on municipal design found there are specific common features that attract crime, unfortunately not easily remedied, so just making a boogeyman in those areas will reduce productivity, but chiefly crime.
the joker hysteria was good, there have been a few others. an instrument that invokes that ingrained training from word of mouth or w/e.
the voodoo stuff from louisiana is a good example, vampires of europe wealthy members protecting their goods with rumors of infinite youth, john wick made a farce out of this long standing tradition with the baba-yaga crap. seems to happen in regular intervals.
something along the lines of a threat to themselves and others authority looks the other way because of protected class or something seems to be a part of humanity. personal favorite is christnity because they have the redemption angle a rare facet in the santa clause mythology that has kept order of little psychopaths.
there have been studies that images of eyes reduce crime i would choose almond american eyes because i wouldn't want the most likely offenders to think they were in good company.

>>938164928 (OP)
Battery acid

>Non lethal, so you can enjoy the show
>Life time consequences
>Incapacitating
>Makes aggresors become victims
>Effective, slow, painful
>Fucks victim self-steem for life
>People around will see you as a menace
>Cool fumes effect when victims are hit
>Feel like a wizard using magic potion
>Splish-Splash
> Fragments of glass could cut and incrust on victims face
>Extra points if you manage to make your victim drink it
>????
>Profit!

Normally I bite my tongue at stupid posts on this stupid board, but this one has tested my limit. I recognize that a retarded shithole like b/ is what it is, but the sheer ignorance in this post is mind-blowing.
First, you can't just say 'self defense'. What the fuck does that mean? It can mean 10,000 different things.
Self defense of your home?
Do you live by yourself?
With a family?
In the city?
In the country?

Self defense in a SHTF scenario?
Self defense walking around in the hood?
Self defense driving in your car?
Self defense while you get hunted by rich people in the mountains with Ice-T?

All of this context matters for a proper answer. If you're asking the most basic question: What can I use to defend my suburban home against intruders at night, the answer is a shotgun. Period. Minimal training required. Get your family behind you, aim in their general direction and fire. Simple.
If you're looking for something to carry on you, then the most important thing, above all else, is that it's something you'll actually carry. So where you live, what clothes you normally wear, what tasks you normally perform, and how big you are matter. You have to find a gun small enough for you to wear concealed, comfortably, all of the time. What caliber it is, how many rounds it has, how good it feels in your hands...all of that is secondary cause if you're not carrying it, you might as well arm yourself with a bottle of lube so they can be gentle when they fuck you.

tldr; Anyone answering without context is a fucking retard

>>938168261
>Then why don't militaries do that?

Not their money.


World War II:
Estimates range from 25,000 to 60,000 rounds per enemy casualty, with some sources suggesting a higher figure.
Vietnam War:
The number increased further, with estimates ranging from 50,000 to 200,000 rounds per enemy casualty,

>>938168441
Lol stats from full scale wars from 50-80 years ago really has no connection to modern self defense

>>938164928 (OP)
depends
close quarters in the home?
high-quality 18.5" barrel 12 ga. semi-auto shotgun with 3.5" 00 magnum buckshot
on the street?
9mm automatic pistol with +P ammo in an extended mag
medium-long range?
you don't need to worry about this except in an SHTF scenario

>>938168550
>really has no connection to modern self defense


That is true, it was in response to
>Then why don't militaries do that?

>>938167266
Absurdly wrong.
>Can reuse arrows forever if they are good quality
No you can't.
>Can easily make string from forest materials
This is possible but 'you' can't.
>Can make arrows from wood
See above.
>ranged
Very limited accurate range.
>IF, And ONLY IF, you have access to a very, VERY large amount of ammunition - then guns are vastly superior. The problem is, unless you have 10,000 rounds stored, you will run out of bullets very quickly.
No you won't. More importantly 10,000 rounds of .22lr is like $600. Magdumping a 10/22 is vastly more effective than a single arrow. You can easily carry hundreds of rounds on you. You can carry like a dozen arrows max.
>SMG > Shotgun > Assault rifle > Precision rifle > Pistol > Bows.
SMG is literally the most useless gun.
>For 90% of people, a bow will be the best choice for actual long term survival.
It is the best for literally zero percent of people. Anyone anywhere on earth can make a black powder gun that mogs it, make their own black powder, and cast their own projectiles.
>throwing knives
Are toys and not weapons.

Basically, every single thing you think and say is wrong.

>>938167362
>string snaps and all five of your arrows break
>try to make new string
It sucks and even if you aren't a complete retard (you are) it comes apart in the rain.
>try to make arrows
They don't fly straight because you have exactly zero woodworking experience and cannot make a proper arrow. Reminder, making arrows and bows were both skilled trades done by professional craftsmen, even medieval people who were vastly more self sufficient and skilled in practical skills than you left these tasks to professionals who did ONLY that job.
>>938167400
Wood for bows and arrows takes years to cure and dry.

>>938168606
full size rifle/shotgun is not ideal for in home defense unless you live in a house with no walls/rooms/doors/

>>938168815
Having shot plenty of people in cramped iraqi shitholes I can definitively say you're wrong.

>>938168834
cowadoody is serious business

60 post nobody has mention frangible bullets, and you want me to believe that government crawls this site, bullshit.

>>938168925
frangible bullets aren't for shooting people. That's why.

>>938168938
>bullets aren't for shooting people.
did you just disappear up your own asshole?
they are built to stay in targets and not go through walls hitting bystanders what the fuck else are bullets for if not interrupting blood supply, auditory alarm fuses?

>>938164928 (OP)
A gun

>>938169038
Frangible bullets are specifically for shooting targets, not people. Yes, that's right massive retard.
>what the fuck else are bullets for if not interrupting blood supply
Well you got it in the first half, except they are not meant to "stay in targets" they're meant to disintegrate immediately on hitting targets. They are not suitable for shooting people because they do not meet minimum penetration depth. Because they're for training. Not for shooting people.

Retard. That's why nobody brought them up-because they're a terrible choice and nobody uses them for anything but training.

>>938164928 (OP)
If you're rich and hate poor people, get a five-seven.

>>938169150
+1

>>938168815
ideal is you set up physical and technological barriers such that a home invasion is unlikely to succeed in the first place
motion detecting lights and cameras, reinforced doors and windows, guard dogs, etc.
if all of that fails, punching a fist-sized hole in the chest of a dark blacknigger who chooses to invade your home with an 18.5" 12 gauge shotgun is just a super idea
very few dark blackniggers survive that first ka-pow!

>>938169150
different anon here, there are quite a few frangible projectiles meant for self defense, even if they arent the best choice

>>938164928 (OP)
The one that you train with and know how to use.

For me that's a combo of firearms and hand to hand. As for what types thst's for those who fuck around to find out ;) as i don't tell people shit because the less people know the more you have the upper hand when shit hits the fan :)

>>938169018
good fucking luck paying for 3 seconds firing that weapons system lol good god 3 seconds and there go's your car, your truck, your house , your kidneys, your liver lol

>>938164928 (OP)
This