Thread 938299224

Hi 4chan! I’m here to see if any of you, can convince me (20 year old proud women, and lifelong feminists/leftist), to stop being a feminist/undo my beliefs. I’ve never really debated someone before, but I strongly think I can convince even the most right winged person to my side. My friend recommended i try here for a good debate. So here i am to try!

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>>938299224 (OP)
Same! Proud woman here, married to another proud woman, and I don't think anyone here has the balls to debate either one of us! They just think we're stupid or something, I guess! Jokes on them, me and my awesome lesbian, feminist wife are laughing at them while we drink wine lmao

>>938299224 (OP)
Tits and a timestamp. Then we "debate"

Oh, and as for a few beliefs, I believe that
1. All men are inherently sexist and create an oppressive patriarchy
2. Women are not meant to be subservient to men and no women should be subservient to a man
3. Men and women are equal, on all fronts. (Minus a few were I think we do better lol!)
4. Women are objectified and this is bad.

>>938299336
What?? Why is that necessary?

>>938299250
?? Is this meant to make sense? I mean i understand the gtfo part but whats with the twtso part?

>>938299437
it means this thread is 100% filled with fat, stupid, and ugly men until proven otherwise with timestamps

>>938299468
That’s rather silly! You guys are totally rude. But if it’s the only way to “prove” I’m not a man, sure, I’ll play along. Give me just a moment.

>>938299545
Okay, here. This should be plenty of proof. And before you ask, I’m not showing off my, “tits”. Anyway, this is a good example of a unfair double standard between men and woman. I’d like too see you post your breasts online!

>>938299659
Good enough for me!

Why do you think women should be allowed to speak to men that aren't their husbands?

>>938299318
I’m not stupid, I can tell satire when I see it. No need to be rude and mock me

>>938299693
Women should be allowed to speak to whoever they so please! Why wouldn’t they be able to? Cant man do the same?

>>938299726
Oh :( I thought I could just join in on this with you, like a debate partner? I'm not trying to mock you. I'm sorry :( Maybe I'm a little drunk for this

>>938299774
Oh sorry! I assumed you were a guy mocking me like everyone else! I’m happy to have a debate partner!

>>938299772
I mean, it's a little presumptuous to think you have a right to just speak to whoever you want, you know? We earned that right over thousands of years. You people haven't really done much of anything to earn that. It's about respect, you know? There's an intrinsic amount of respect afforded from one man to another, because of shared struggle. Women don't face those struggles - and the ones they do face are ones they brought onto themselves 9 times out of 10 and would be fixed so easily by just marrying a man. Why aren't you married?

>>938299391
Rules. You're justa dude until you post tits. Tbh you'll still be a dude unless you post your pussy but im not a newfag who thinks women dont exist soo whatever

>>938299833
Oh, I'm so glad we got that cleared up! I would have gone to sleep very sad if you didn't believe me tbh

Consider me in your corner! Moral support, or if anyone wants to debate me too, they can have at it!!

>>938299659
Thats a man.

>>938299898
How? I can't see anything that assumes that...maybe the fingers?

>>938299883
yeah, this thread is gayer than the pile

>>938299898
You're delusional if you think that's a man, that's just a feminist. They trade in any chance at decent tits the second they take that label on

>>938299835
Women have done plenty to earn the right to speak! We gave birth to each and very man for starters. And women struggle plenty, likely more than your average man. I’m unmarried because I’d rather be independent, and I believe I’m doing better as so.

>>938299371
1. So you believe that all men are sexist? doesn't that make you sexist.

2. Fair i guess but if a women wants to be she can

3. Mena and Women are treated differently in all sorts of scenioros some that benefit men adn some that benefit women

4. Some women are objectified and so are men but why is the promblem always men that objectify women?

>>938299927
Fuck off. Just trying to have an honest debate

>>938299224 (OP)
You owe me sex

>>938299925
His skin also the hip in the right bottom corner and the broad lats

>>938300017
Hey, i agree this is an obvious gayfag beg thread

>>938299391
Feminist men are the gayest of faggots, and I wouldn't debate one trying to larp as a woman for his own sexual fetish.

>>938299659
>unfair double standard
Hardly. You want to be taken seriously as a woman, you have to prove that you're a woman. If we just listen and believed then there'd be tons of AGP guys flooding female spaces claiming to be women.

>>938300016
The belief that all men are sexist isn’t sexist because it’s true. It’s based on my experience and fact, not stereotypes and such.

I don’t think any women would want to be subservient.

But men are most often benefited, and in unfair ways.

When men sexualise women it’s negative because it’s coming from a male gaze

>>938299979
Giving birth is something your body is designed to do. It's why you have wider hips, it's why you have a pussy. It's why you bleed every month - it's your body punishing you for not having a baby every possible opportunity. And I'm not denying women struggle - I'm saying their struggle is largely self-inflicted. Things get so much simpler when you don't have any options left. Your life would be so, so much easier as a baby machine for some lawyer or something along those lines, don't you think? No bills to pay, no more debt (I'm sure you have plenty of student loans). How does that sound? Does independence really matter in the face of that kind of struggle?

>>938300104
Majority of the women in my life have been abusive and cold. But I know the they are the minority of women and its my experiences

Men are benfited in ways but being a women does have benfits jobs, society, law, schooling

Whats wrong with the 'male glaze' i dont know what it means but please elaborate

Just post dumb shit, this weird faggot is just not going to stop. Its like a gay bot.

>>938300094
How do you want me to prove that?? I’ve already shown my breasts.

>>938300207
The vagina is a good start.

>>938299659
You sound like someone who's spent way too much time online. The average guy is just trying to live his life. They're not trying to oppress women. You talk about how women don't want to be submissive to men but when a random anon asks to see your tits you deliver. What a joke

>>938299224 (OP)
You sound like a dyke. Are you a dyke?

>>938300231
zero time stamp nipples have been shown, its a fag thread for now

>>938300118
Women are not made to give birth. To be fair, we do hold that function, and much of our body is shaped and formed for that purpose, but that doesn’t make us baby making machines.

And yes, a rich husband with a good career would be nice in theory, and in that theory I would like it, it doesn’t work in reality. In reality that relationship would be abusive and wrong. Independence is always better

>>938300269
Thanks Sherlock.

>>938300312
Thanks for bumping fag thread faglock

>>938300299
My wife works and I stay home and take care of our son. She makes more money than me by enough that it made sense. I still fuck her silly and choke her from time to time. Who runs the shit in our world?

>>938300334
No problem sageboy

>>938300207
>How do you want me to prove that?? I’ve already shown my breasts.
Dipshit, I'm explaining why Tits or GTFO is necessary.

Jesus you people. If I just uncrop the photo does that stop the incessant questioning?? I didn’t WANT to, but clearly it seems nessecary .

>>938300299
If women weren't around to make babies, then who would do it? Men can't. No matter what people say, men can't do that. There's a reason your hips are shaped the way they are. There's a reason your breasts fill with milk when you get pregnant. These things are all for a reason. It's arrogant to go against that. I know what my purpose is - do you?

If you were really such a feminist and such a free thinker, don't you think you should put that theory to the test? Why make the assumption it wouldn't work? The idea of abuse implies the possibility of an equal partnership - that simply isn't the case. Think back - how many of your bosses at your jobs were women? Not supervisors or managers, but store managers, or people way higher up, the people your shift leads answer to. There isn't a setup for this to be an equal partnership - what happens in these relationships is the way of the world. Some people are simply designed to have more power over others - that isn't necessarily a bad thing.

And I fear your love of independence has lead you... Here. To a viper's nest of men begging to see your tits. They just see you as a sex object. You're not. I don't think women are lesser - they are simply different. Have I treated you with anything other than respect? Ask yourself honestly.

>>938300434
Is there a reason you feel better showing your cunt over showing your bare tits?

>>938300168
Fine, maybe saying all men are sexist is a bit overblown. Still, i would say most are.
Men don’t have to deal with stuff like sexism, assault, or periods, so I would argue women struggle more.
The “male gaze” is how men sexualise women in media and such. Women become objects for them

>>938300434
it was a long and unnecessarily winding road to this point, but now you may continue

>>938300434
Need to see your feet to verify for sure.

>>938300299
>Women are not made to give birth. To be fair, we do hold that function, and much of our body is shaped and formed for that purpose, but that doesn’t make us baby making machines.
That alone doesn't make you baby making machines, you're right. There's more that women CAN do, but if you enjoy the fruits of civilization, then perpetuating that society is a responsibility that falls to women. Therefore, if you're not having kids and indulging in the cultural fruits of your ancestors, then you're stealing the benefits of their sacrifices. And why? So you can have as many abortions as you want.

Disgusting.

>>938300491
Majority of modern men in the west aren't sexist

Men do deal with sexisim - men are consitlelly seen as predators and creeps, Men aren't always meant to be strong show no sign of weakness. We are always seen as the bad guy until proven innocent.

Maybe some men sexualise women too much, but theres nothing wrong with a guy liking to look of a women

>>938300441
I’ll admit you’ve been respectful, which is kind of you. Thank you very much. I suppose it’s true that women alone can make babies. It’s what makes us special. There is a reason my body is built this way, sure. But just because I’m made this way doesn’t mean I have to, no? Would you argue that men’s whole purpose is to spew cum?

Yes most of my bosses were men, but that’s because they got there only by unfairly beating out women. In a fair society, it would be equal. And i don’t feel i neeed to try out a man to know it’s not for me. I simply know, I’ve always known.

>>938300464
I’m sensitive about them. And it seemed easier than going and taking another picture. Also I wasn’t sure just tits would work, yall seemed pretty insistent

>>938300347
Her. She gave birth to your son and does most of the work. You overpowering her in bed has nothing to do with it.

>>938300653
I respect your station, even if you don't. It's a very, very important part of our society, whether or not you or the people running the show agree. It's a wonderful, wonderful gift you have. I actually have a friend that's wife is desperately trying to have a child and she's having trouble with it. It's a gift to be able to have children - even some among your kind have trouble with it. It's not something you should take lightly. I'm not religious, but I think the closest I come is the idea of biological destiny. So, in a sense, to use your wording, PART of my purpose is, yes, to "spew cum" even if that's not how I would phrase it. If I can help a woman fulfill her purpose - that is, at least in part, my purpose as well.

I don't think there's anything necessarily unfair about it. Men and women have been in the workforce together for decades now and whether I think that's a good idea or not, that's how the world works. But women can't complain when they simply lack the authority to be able to boss around lower level employees. It's partially because of how women are viewed in society, yes, but there's something more fundamental than that. Wouldn't you agree?

I think this is not the most supportive place to have this conversation. If you're interested in somewhere more private, more immediate, feel free to give me your discord - I know you have one, after all.

>>938300618
Why should the responsibility to perpetuate society fall to women if you men are oh so strong? Why don’t you perpetuate it instead? Why must rhe burden fall on us? And i’ve never had an abortion.

>>938300491
>Fine, maybe saying all men are sexist is a bit overblown. Still, i would say most are.
Nobody cares. The meaning of the position you hold is only valid because of the sacrifices that men make for your comfort. If you didn't have men around to protect your quality of life, you'd be fucking anything for a sandwich.

>Men don’t have to deal with stuff like sexism, assault, or periods, so I would argue women struggle more.
This is a shit-tier take, and your lack of awareness of what men go through just explains how the women's rights movement has been doomed to failure since the Declaration of Sentiments. You and your mentally infected ilk presume that men have more rights than you because you only see half the picture. This illusory outlook that you've made standard is why women are predominantly more depressed now than they ever were.

>The “male gaze” is how men sexualise women in media and such. Women become objects for them
Men are more activated by visual stimuli. Notice how you can't help but turn our own nature against us? Why should any man take such a dishonest creature or mentality seriously?

I'll be straight with you, when your gender demanded the right to vote you effectively discarded any right you held to the soft power women held that men built civilization to foster. You traded in generations of respect and protection for the right to require a job, pay into a mortgage, and be depressed. Men are primed to sacrifice their health and well being for the sake of others. By flooding society with your "I'm strong too!" self-empowered brats, you're taking on all the suffering without any of the reward and you still think it's our fault.

You need to learn accountability, and unfortunately you're too inherently disingenuous to take that on honestly.

>>938300434
nice tuck job faggot

>>938300758
>Why should the responsibility to perpetuate society fall to women if you men are oh so strong? Why don’t you perpetuate it instead? Why must rhe burden fall on us? And i’ve never had an abortion.
Men aren't equipped to give birth to children.
Do you seriously want to sacrifice your entire effort to have a debate with this willful ignorance? Jesus Christ, lady. Fuck off.

>>938300434
fag you gotta spread your legs properly, we dont debate axe wounded trannies

>>938300803
Okayokay, that’s on me. Sure, women do have some responsibility to perpetuate society. But that doesn’t mean every single women needs to constantly have kids. We should let women choose! And me personally, i choose not to. And i think society will be fine

>>938300434
TITS or GTFO
>at an angle
>pussy not spread
>tits hidden behind bra
come on now

>>938300768
If half the population disappeared, sure, I’d imagine anyone would struggle.

On your second point I kinda get you. I suppose it’s unfair to say men struggle “less” overall. While I think women are oppressed more, struggle is kinda universal.

Its fine to be attracted to women, just don’t reduce us to objects and shit

its AI you stupid faggots

>>938300909
Seriously?? Is this still an issue?

Musilum fundamentalist countries are an example of patriarchal societies. Their birthrate is pretty strong, and despite all debates and opinions/experiences. Those who make children are the ones who end up inheriting the earth. If all femenist women actually refused to have children as a protest against a largely matriarchal society, in 70 years no one alive would care.

>>938300964
you know the rules

>>938300964
consult the following: https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Law+%233601

>>938300757
>>938300653
I hope you didn't get scared off by all the guys on here demanding to see more pictures of you. I thought we were having a very productive conversation

>>938301144
I respect Your opinion but right now I am editing my image with SDXL to not appear as a tranny.

>>938301178
LMAO do what you're gonna do, I don't think you're gonna convince these men on here. You already had me convinced from the first picture. You look like a woman to me

>>938301202
I don't think You understood that I'm actually a mtf transgender, yes I'm on hrt for 4 years

>>938301235
Sounds like you're a woman to me. Why don't you respect the station of a woman? You choose to become one but also choose to want to be treated like a man. That doesn't make sense to me. I'd love to hear your thought process

>>938301178
What?? Who is this?

>>938301328
TITS or GTFO

>>938301144
You seem quite nice!! My discord is slashingcat, if you’re interested! And yeah, everyone is being quite rude for whatever reason.

>>938299371
>1. All men are inherently sexist and create an oppressive patriarchy
Impossible. Sweeping vast majority of men have no control over society.

>2. Women are not meant to be subservient to men and no women should be subservient to a man
Very marginally true. There are a few women able to compete with the average man. The predominate majority of women don't have the muscle strength or the bone density to encroach on the monopoly of force that men have.

>3. Men and women are equal, on all fronts.
Impossible. Men are just stronger.

>4. Women are objectified and this is bad.
There is literally no such thing as objectification.

>>938299224 (OP)
Feminism isn't men vs women, it's the people who just try to live their life vs a government elected by weak women who want their government to have more power.

At the end it wont even benefir women. Look how Sweden, the most feminist country in the 10's has become the rape capital of the world. How do that benefit women?

>>938299659
Okay, you are indeed a gynoid. The law have been respected.

Would you please read this?

>>938300926
>>938300926
Without men, you wouldn't have an agriculture and you would starve to death.
Without men, you would not have oil or other forms of energies being drilled in the desert or in the sea. You would not have a petrochemic industry and regardless of your opinion on it, our economy is based on it. You wouldn't have nuclear power plants either and there would be no electricity in the power plug.
Without men, there would be no housing construction and no road, sewage sytem or runing water.
You can not stay alive without men's labor.

I say this is fair since without women there would be no kids. By the way, you are not making the kids anymore.

>>938299371
>1. All men are inherently sexist and create an oppressive patriarchy
All system are oppressive, western liberalism are the only system ever build that allow feminism to be. Once you kill western patriarchy, no other men on earth will come to your rescue (they'll come to rape you actually, then you'll remember why borders payed by blood exist)
>2. Women are not meant to be subservient to men and no women should be subservient to a man
You believe that cause males this generation have very low t and that does not inspire you to submit. It's normal not wanting to submit to an equal, but this is why hypergamy exist.
>3. Men and women are equal, on all fronts. (Minus a few were I think we do better lol!)
Delusional and proof you have no real life experience with males.
>4. Women are objectified and this is bad.
When in the last million year were women not "objectified". Objectification is yet just another way feminist try to deny the objective world.

You have it good under Western liberalism.

>>938299224 (OP)
TITS with timestamp or beat it

>>938299224 (OP)
I am strongly left wing but very anti feminist. 70 years ago men could support their entire family with a high school diploma. Then corporate America convinced women they could work if they wanted to. The work force doubled and suddenly salaries were halved. Total coincidence btw. Now women have to work (there is literally no choice anymore) if they want to own anything (jointly with their husbands). This is literally the opposite of feminism. If I had a choice I would rather swap places and regress.

>>938304755
i'll do it

>>938304937
Women working was supposed to be a choice not a requirement. How is anything that takes away female rights feminist?

Anyhow feminists lost the fucking plot.
It really posses me off.

You came here looking for meaning in a place where people just compare functions. You will only find what you have already packed in your bag so why even ask?

>>938305362
They came to argue. 4chan is basiclly a debate club pitting professionals and the mentally challenged. You know... trolls trolling trolls trolling trolls.

>>938299224 (OP)
>(20 year old proud women, and lifelong feminists/leftist)
You're still only an adult with training wheels on, your life long strong held beliefs are at most 3 years old, so your ideological leanings are still a toddler and hardly developed at all.
If your feminism goes beyond "I assume the worst of men" and your leftism goes beyond "I've been told that these groups are subjugated and that these other groups are the subjugators", I'll be more than a little surprised.
>but I strongly think I can convince even the most right winged person to my side.
You likely also have very little knowledge about what the most right winged person would actually be like.
> My friend recommended i try here for a good debate.
Your friend has a twisted sense of humor and I like them already.
>So here i am to try!
I hope you're resilient.

>>938305593
Bot thread /b/ro
All but a few ofthe posts were made in the first 3 minutes after the op. Learn to recognize.

Sage

>>938299371
>1. All men are inherently sexist and create an oppressive patriarchy
That's a sexist assertion on your part and I would argue that this message is so oft repeated in teaching and politics that it can be considered a systemic discrimination against men.
>2. Women are not meant to be subservient to men and no women should be subservient to a man
Most men don't expect them to be that, in fact they have a Stockholm syndrome repeated sentence for marriage of "Happy wife, happy life" for it instead and men are treated more like servants in marriage than women are.
>3. Men and women are equal, on all fronts. (Minus a few were I think we do better lol!)
That is factually incorrect both physically and on the rights front, men are physically stronger than women and women have better parental and marriage rights than men.
>4. Women are objectified and this is bad.
So are men, yet nobody cares when it is Thor that is stripped naked against his will in the movie and everybody knows that a man getting raped is for comedic effect when it happens in a movie, because we assume it doesn't exist in real life in spite of the stats. Heck when young boys are raped by adult women, they're called lucky and it is called an affair when they are caught instead of a rape of a minor.

>>938305740
This. Why the fuck people are so naive.

>>938299224 (OP)
why did you think you could get a good debate on 4chan? the people here are fucking retarded, and you cant debate them. debates dont work anymore anyhow.