Thread 938361498

Is God real?

>>938361498 (OP)
Hes real..ly in our hearts.

Dont you just love how the question of the existence of the divine must always be hinged on jewish religion or the king of the jews/jewish messiah

>>938361498 (OP)
man created god in his own image.

What difference does it make?

>>938361498 (OP)
No, some schyzo faggot centuries ago projected his cringe sperging and everyone believed even after he got killed.

>>938361756
God exists and is probably neutral or evil, the Jews love the sadistic side of the biblical god. Jesus was not a jew, he is from the land of gentiles, a galilean though could have been raised as a jew but he proves he was not a jew when he condemned the old practices by the pharisees and made a new spirituality that still didn't have a name. He didn't care about temples and the jewish petty laws, he walked among the gentiles, that's pretty gentilic to me. Yes, he was killed by the jews, not the romans, that was a Jewish choice, the romans only enforced it but he was no criminal in their eyes. If everything exists there is an origin, it's basic classical metaphysics. Btw, don't believe what kikes say about Jesus.

>>938362225
Common Jewish lie: Jesus was a Jewish rabbi. Read again my post and met me add up that Jesus rejected the word Rabbi = Master, and said no one should be called that.

>>938362225
You are coping with the fact that you worship a jewish rabbi as god. If you are in the now minority of christians who are white, come home to your ethnic religion one day. I dont expect you to from one 4chan comment, but you are fighting a losing battle trying to salvage rabbi Yeshua and twist yourself in knots to say he isnt jewish or that it comes from judaism. No one except a small online cohort will ever listen. Take it from a former christian identity coper who finally returned home to our racial traditions that the semitic curse stole from us.

Actually maybe youre a gnostic type, but my points stand. Best wishes

>>938362471
Who said I'm a christian? You're assuming things.
>Jewish Rabbi
Read this shit again >>938362400
Give up on your made up mind and throw away all this garbage you think you know

>>938362471
>racial tradition
That not only sounds like edgy bullshit, your race is nothing to the spiritual realm, stop watching hyperborea edits, they prove nothing. Well, if you hate Jews you are an useful idiot and I honestly don't care what you believe as long as you're noticing.

>>938362549
Yes i did assume then realized you were something else, still having these beliefs to try to salvage jesus. My main point is that the fact that jesus is jewish is not the jewish lie, jesus himself is the jewish lie. It was a belief made by high level jews like Shaul and Peter and sold to the goyim to get them to believe in the jewish god and familiarize them with the bible and the concept of messiah. This way the world is prepared for a jewish figure to rule the world, whereas b4 christianity and islam this was impossible.

>>938362650
I dont watch hyperborrea edits. Im Asatru. And if you dont get the role jesus and muhammad played in the jews taking over the world, then you dont truly get the depth of the JQ. Not trying to insult you, its just the truth

>>938362720
So what should I believe, European man? I need to know which gnome should I look for below the rocks.

>>938361498 (OP)
No. Stop being stupid. When you die there is nothing at all.

>>938362805
I'm not a tribalist and just because you believe in some other shit it doesn't mean the jews didn't know shit. Noticing Jews is different from being blinded by hate. I don't know what exactly you believe but if you believe in old gods it has no need to go against what other cultures have believed.

>>938362839
How can you be so sure? What are your arguments against the existence of God?

>>938362982
I dont have blind hatred, i just reject their claim that the one god of the universe chose them to rule the world. I actually believe yahweh exists and that he is essentially a jealous chaos demon/entity, but thats beside the point. The christians however believe that a jew must rule the world. The heathens of old were tolerant of the jews in the empire, but they wish to destroy us and our 'idolatry'. I hate judaism, not individual jews, most of them are victims of it too.

>>938363234
>I actually believe yahweh exists and that he is essentially a jealous chaos demon/entity, but thats beside the point
NTA but what would be a benevolent entity that exists from your perspective?

>>938363234
There is nothing wrong with the message of Jesus, my man. The christian religion and their Judaismnis the problem. You sound like a free thinker, this is good. Be careful with the Us versus them mentality, it might be true when Jews are clearly evil in general but the world is not black and white

Jesus was a jew
Let that sink in

>>938361498 (OP)
Yes and here is a good example:
So I had a crush on a coworker. She held a ten minute speech on why we couldn't be together etc.
One day I found out she banged the boss to get a raise.
That rumor spreads like fire. She confesses to me that its true, but that she was blackmailed and gaslit into it.
She says she is scared of that man and can't stay in the same room as him.
Roll back memories of her flirting with said boss and getting in his shit for no reason.
Call out her bullshit and spread the confession to everyone with my POV
I prayed to God for a chance at revenge and God gave me a miracle!
God is good, God is real, and God answered my prayers for that bitch to get what she deserves.

Probably not

god only matters when i receive benefits from it

>>938365548
Why not?

>>938361498 (OP)
Yes, God, gods, deities, and various higher forms of life are real.

>>938366791
The world religions are probably all made up.

>>938362839
I wish these idiots could remain conscious for a short period after death so they can see how they were duped in life.

>>938367463
Yes, religion is man-made bullshit and charlatry, and most information offered regarding deities and demi-gods is unreliable, but that's not relevant to the nature of higher life forms.

>>938367463
Everyone fears death so religion was created as an afterlife insurance policy.
Makes the stupid feel better.

>>938367785
Maybe God or supernatural stuff is real...probably not. The universe is extremely complex but maybe thats not god

>>938367911
Name one true supernatural event.

no

>>938368042
Why not?

>>938361498 (OP)
nope

mad?

>>938370017
Why not?

>>938370268
Will you fucking shut up?

>>938370268
More like "why" OP?

Your side has never posted a good reason.

>>938370473
Nope

>>938370516
Historical evidence and that most religions agree upon the same moral principles

>>938361756
What 1700+ years of domestication does to a MF.

>>938362225
Everything you think/"know" about your god comes from the writings of jews.

>>938371005
I don't know

>>938371005
how many is "most"? how many world religions require you to believe in one and only one god? How many world religions teach that shellfish and man-on-man are abominations but woman-on-woman doesn't even get a footnote?

>>938361498 (OP)
Naw, it's Santa Claus for adults

>>938371005
What historical evidence?

Gos isn’t real. He is a figment of your imagination. And you, you stupid faggot fuck, double as if God is something you know. Get over it!!

>>938373751
yes, but god is not the traditional god of abrahamism, because abraham is a fraud

>>938374553
Is there a different god you believe there's historical evidence for?

>>938374553
Gotta fill that god need with something. Can't make it through life without your blind faith?

Of course God exists - this isn't a question that serious people debate. The real question is what God's existence means for how we organize society and human relationships.

When we look at the divine architecture of creation, we see a clear pattern: God works through subsidiary structures, empowering individuals and local communities rather than centralizing authority. The parable of the talents isn't just about spiritual gifts - it's about the moral imperative of individual stewardship and the multiplication of resources through personal initiative. Christ himself was a carpenter, a tradesman, someone who understood that dignity comes through productive work, not dependency.

The deeper scriptural tradition reveals something profound about the nature of freedom. The figure that modernity has caricatured as "Satan" actually represents something essential - the principle of individual choice, the refusal to accept imposed authority without question. Paradise Lost understood this: the so-called "fall" was actually humanity's awakening to moral agency and personal responsibility. True spiritual freedom requires economic freedom. You cannot separate the soul from the material conditions of life.

This is why centralized welfare states are not just economically destructive but spiritually corrosive. They violate the subsidiary principle by removing moral agency from individuals and communities. When government assumes the role of providence, it doesn't eliminate suffering - it eliminates the opportunity for grace, charity, and personal growth that comes through voluntary cooperation and mutual aid.

>>938378461
God's existence doesn't support big government liberalism or nationalist authoritarianism. It supports a vision of human dignity rooted in individual liberty, voluntary association, and the creative power of free exchange. The divine order is one where people are free to pursue their calling, build wealth through service to others, and exercise genuine charity - not forced redistribution.

This is the true synthesis: God as the ultimate guarantor of individual freedom, working through the spontaneous order of markets and voluntary communities to create prosperity and human flourishing. Faith and freedom aren't opposing forces - they're complementary aspects of the same divine truth about human dignity and moral agency.

>>938361498 (OP)
Dear God... Please let me die in my sleep tonight.

>>938361498 (OP)
What do you think lurks in eternity?

>>938361498 (OP)
most likely, but he's a deist god he doesn't care about his creation we're not special.

>>938378720
Nothing, when we die that's the end of consciousness. No functioning brain no sentience. What do you think happens other that you want there to be something after death?

No.

>>938378945
>something after death
I used to be an atheist and thought I was pretty clever when I said "when we die we go back to the state before our birth"
Then it dawned on me, whatever state that was, I was eventually born and there's no reason to believe it will happen only once in an eternity.

I do believe consciousness is not of the brain, just like the internet is not of the phone.

>>938378945
>Nothing
Everything sums up to nothing. This is what God is.

>>938380217
>Then it dawned on me, whatever state that was, I was eventually born and there's no reason to believe it will happen only once in an eternity.
There's no reason to think it happens any given number of times. But even then that doesn't mean you have a soul. You are just as dead and nonexistant as you were before. You just go "hey, it happened once, so X conditions that result in my consciousness may occur again". Yeah I guess as a hypothetical. Far from ironclad. And that's not you being around in an afterlife. It just means at some unspecified time conditions could theoretically occur which result in whatever you are happening again. Not that you have any sort of continuity or spirit existence.

>>938380280
...must be a comforting simplistic philosophy for the atheists that gave up on the pursuit of understanding of God.

>>938380217
>I do believe consciousness is not of the brain, just like the internet is not of the phone.
If consciousness is "out there" and not in the brain then brain damage should not affect us, but it obviously does. Looking for a little afterlife insurance, are we?

>>938380280
Spare me

>>938380352
No sweep the static out of that bullshit and you'll be making good progress there.

>>938361498 (OP)
If he was real it would be beyond retarded to think he gives a shit about you.
You weren't created in god's image

>>938380422
>If you break your phone the internet should still work perfectly fine on it.
Dumbass.

Expending on : >>938380280

A lot of you seemed to be trapped in a materialist paradigm your were psyopped since birth and medicated fluoride through tap water to shut down your pineal gland, among worse toxins in your food and air.

You find God in the nothingness behind it all. A lot of people are NPC with little ability to stand still and just witness the witnessing. Start there. Let the bullshit flow through you, until there's no more. It might take years, but at least you'll get in touch with transcendence from which you will be able to self-actualize and not be a golem for the luciferians, which is ultimately the cult of ego and reason (two sides of the same coin), which together generates your ever regressing sterile, and flat understanding of reality.

>>938380445
Do you agree that :
0 = -1 + 1
0 = -2 + 2
0 = -3 + 3
0 = -∞ + ∞

>>938380486
What bullshit? That's all logical. None of what you said even if it were true implies a soul by default. Or at all. Just that your consciousness happened once and may (as in maybe, hypothetical) happen again. Even if that were true and does occur, you would have no continuity between lives. Your consciousness and all that you are still dies. It's gg. And then at some point you would be "born again" all over. The same way you manifested a first (presumably) time. It would be like sleep in the sense that hours seem to go by faster and you become aware as you awake. Except instead of hours it'd be who knows how long. Aeons maybe. Or possibly never. But you would basically restart all over again. There was nothing you said that would, or even could, imply that X event (your consciousness manifesting) MUST happen again and that you must be conscious of the intervening time via being a ghost until you were reborn.

>>938380352
>as a hypothetical
Infinite rolls of the dice for ETERNITY dude.

>>938361498 (OP)
If God was real and just he'd be burning the cultists using his name for their own design. The church has killed and died for thousands of years in the name of some God or another and if God was real and just the religious zealots will all be burning in Dante's personal vision of hell for eternity.

>>938380643
Infinity does not mean every random idea you can come up with is true. For example roguelike games. In DCSS there are infinite levels in pandemonium and the abyss. Does that mean if left long enough they gain sentience? Will new content suddenly appear in them? No. They go on infinitely, but they still operate within the bounds, rules, and contents of the game. I can't just roll the dice a bajillion times and get a random new thing nobody had coded in there. Even infinite things can and do have some levels of boundaries. The universe for all we know could of a finite size. And if it was infinite, it could be an infinite comprised of the same things we have here that we can see.

>>938380761
>but they still operate within the bounds, rules, and contents of the game
Maybe, but we know the universe and consciousness exist, so whatever rule there is, it MUST allow for universes and minds to spawn

Ultimately, you either believe this retardation :
1. Nothing
2. A universe (for not reason at all)
3. Big freeze of the universe (or whatever)
4. Nothing again (for eternity)

or something like this :
1. Nothing (ie. God)
2. A universe
3. Big freeze of the universe (or whatever)
4. Nothing again (as potential for infinite creation)
5. A universe again

>>938381200
>whatever rule there is, it MUST allow for universes and minds to spawn
Yeah. But once is all there is evidence for. And neither of those imply a god or a soul or afterlife or even the necessity it must happen more than once. All you manage to do is go "well it happened once so maybe again". That's it. And we have the poincare recurrence theorem. So it isn't even a new idea. It's a natural consequence of a thing with only a finite number of states.

>>938361498 (OP)
God is Dead
-Ozzy Osbourne

>>938380573
3 out of 4 right
You would pass a math test I guess...

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>>938381339
You're a Flat minded materialist, the material world will never provide proof for these things, because they're far beyond this plane, at best we can only see them through their cross-section.

Spiritual people might shout to you again and again
> "square root of minus 1!"
> "square root of minus 1!"

and you're like
> "No. Only the real number line is real, only retards believe in square root of minus 1"

>>938382108
If the material world cannot provide proof as you say then what observationa are you basing it on? What evidence? "i dunno i like how it sounds" isn't a very strong argument.

>>938382255
The proof is in the cross section where the material world catches the light of the spiritual world, which you probably deny its existence.

Without testimonies and first-hand experience, you'd probably believe dreams are fake too, specially if you were one of those aphantasic NPC who lost the magic of their minds (mage comes from iMAGination).

Without a spiritual life, you have no sovereignty in this world, as the boundaries of your imagination is set on the spell of Hollywood and the likes.

>>938382501
>Hollywood and the likes

>>938382501
>is set on
set by

>>938382501
I love how people just make shit up and pretend like it's irrefutable fact

>>938382501
>evades the question with nonsequiturs
I accept your concession.

>>938382585
like what?

>>938382659
like what was replied to

>>938382696
what was made up?

yup, there is defiantly an authority i have not seen who benefits from the labor of many

>>938361498 (OP)
I saw a video of a Chinese mom who couldn't stop her toddler from running into a moving car in a driveway and getting crushed. Short video, kids are running around in the driveway and theres a car coming to park. Can't see the inside but presumably it's the dad. Mom catches the toddler and holds him while she briefly talks to the dad. Then for some fucking reason the moment she let's go of the kid the dad just speeds up and runs over the kid. Then she proceeds to scream clawing at the driver door while her son is now dead for NO FUCKING REASON. I'm utterly baffled and depressed at how this toddler was born just to be fucking murdered by his own parents completely by accident/incompetence. It was the most avoidable death I've ever seen and it's been fucking me up so much that I'm convinced there can't possibly be a God or at least not a benevolent one. I can't fathom a reason to assume there's any sort of sky daddy or deity that cares about our existence. This also extends to my conclusion that there's no afterlife but that's a whole other conversation.

>>938382594
After all of that, you really got no curiosity to go to "the square root of negative one" of your mind and unfold the spiritual plane on your own as did all of your ancestors before they start to put fluoride in the water?

>>938382925
is this the there is a word for it so it is real argument
> i

>>938383044
I don't know what to make of this coincidence, but God, it seems, do love its synchronistic puns.

>>938382910
Then let me help you out. Every single person lives to experience Trials and Tribulations. It's a matter of opportunity to show quality of character and soul, to exercise free will to overcome and to rise from the experiences. God/gods, knowing that some are destined to flourish in life with flying colors, overcome all adversities with grace and love, are sometimes sparred the hardships in life; taken ahead of their years, because the undeniable qualities of their souls can better serve the benefit of the spiritual kingdom elsewise. The pain and agony their parents are left with is born from a narrow scope and understanding of greater mechanics, and is irrelevant. Children are not the property of their parents. They, like all of us, belong to the gods.

>>938361842
Life strategies are greatly impacted if this life is all there is as it seems vs just some minor beta test for an infinite afterlife secretly run by some super hacker exploiting godmode.

>>938382585
Ironically like your statement itself. A self-appointed logical statement self reinforcing to serve as some kind of valid refute against an otherwise better thought out and better articulated statement? Hmm... yeah... in that light I see how you're onto something.

>>938362720
No, Jesus was made up by the guy who destroyed Herrod's temple to get the jews to worship him as a reincarnated god as a result of the power vacuum that occurred when he felled their central hub and allowed him and his descendents to displace the Caesars as the Emperor class of Rome.

Let me help some of you out.
>Namefag

>>938362720
>>938383354
In both cases, Jesus never existed and for one reason or another (or several) it all centers around Jews and the consistant recurrance of manipulative factors.

>>938383348
>against an otherwise better thought out and better articulated statement
being articulate doesn't make your statements factually true
saying there's a spiritual world, or magic, or gods, and talking about a vague idea of spiritual life doesn't make any it valid by virtue of being articulate and believing it to be true

>>938383443
>In both cases, Jesus never existed
Ok, but in the true case, most of the other characters in the bible never existed either because it wasn't made up by the characters in the bible, it was made up by the guy that ransacked the temple and wanted a reputation as a great healer and builder because he had aspirations to reform Rome and eventually build the Great Colosseum.

>>938361756
That's absolutely false and a pathetic attempt to convolute the conversation at its root, with obvious intentions of swaying ithe conversation towards Judaism. Fuck you.

>>938361824
Yes. The extent of the may run deeper than you realize though.

>>938361842
Pursuit of the understanding of God/gods, at it fundamental root is the attempt to push the established boundaries of acceptable science and legitimate examination of viable information. Pseudointellectual gatekeepers would like to keep sceince in a nice neat little box just like any other religion, whereas those of genuine open-mindedness are hard pressed to help evolve the paradigm en toto to refine the psychologistical processes of extrapolation, inference, and data dessemination.

>>938362078
Spoken like a retarded edgelord.

>>938361498 (OP)
No.

>>938363769
>There is nothing wrong with the message of Jesus, my man.
No, its definitely wrong to let jewish immigrants and foreigners take over your land and starve you to death while you focus on cutting apart your own family and nation.

>>938367955
Big Bang (which includes the whole thing and the infinite expansion into nothing, not just the initial bit that can't even be quantized)

>>938367911
I agree; the complex dynamism of the universe itself is probably not God, but at the very least, such grand (and yet unstudied) mechnisms are surely essential to knowing more about the nature of higher/divine entities.

>>938367911
>>938367955
As for the reality of supernatural phenomena; it's a fact that such things exist. Where psueds tend to get hung up is hinging the reality of Nature's capacity for such with the claims of dumb shit like bigfoot, UFOs, ghosts, goblins, and other man-made money scam content. Supernatural phenomena is real and its facinating stuff; like the crystalline cave with pure acid pools housing an entire contained microcosm of unique organic life. That's Supernatural.

>>938371005
There is no valid historical evidence for you to speak of, just myths, and the only reason the abrahamic (ie vast majority of modern religions) agree so much is because they conspired to genocide the other religions (against their stated moral principles that really only exist to blackmail others) and burn their libraries that documented the diverging moral principles. Even with that blood bond, they still schism indefinitely and have their own blood feuds over minor disagreements in moral principles.

>>938373730
That's a pleb's way of thinking about the topic. You're fired from the thread.

>>938373982
I suggest you look into the mass subconscious theory. Come back to me later and I'll walk you from there about concepts of Collective Psychomanifestation.

>>938374553
>>938376775
You two are fired. Blind Faith is nigger shit, but that isn't to imply that Faith in God/gods can't be developed from a scientifically informed prospect of understanding.

>>938378461
>Christ himself was a carpenter, a tradesman, someone who understood that dignity comes through productive work
Name one bit of carpentry or trade that Christ was described as doing in any of the book. Oh wait, he didn't do anything of that nature because he wasn't a carpenter, he was the son of a rich carpenter which is how he afforded to spend his free time in the temple preaching, even his earthly life was one of nepotistic entitlement.

>They violate the subsidiary principle by removing moral agency from individuals and communities.
The way you described it, capitalism in general does that since it removes the freedom of collecting and bargaining by replacing it with a centralized commodity whose value is set by higher powers than the individuals using them.

>>938378468
>God as the ultimate guarantor of individual freedom
No, god is the ultimate denier of individual freedom since it is an ethereal omnipresent entity that traps everyone else in bodies that are stuck in space and time and entirely limited by their form and circumstance instead of their unrestrained hope and free love.

>>938380352
>There's no reason
>But even then that doesn't mean
>as you were before
and so on. That's all "static" and noisey bullshit statements hinging on opinions, biased yet unsubstatiated claims, ignorance, and the like. Take everything out of that fucking post that you can't prove or substantiate apart from the material you're responding to (thus not obligated to substantiate), and you're left with a cleaner set of data. You might be onto something.

>>938378945
Prove there is not enough infinite energy and the material it generates that its guaranteed your consciousness will eventually be reproduced in a nearly identical brain.

No

Just a made up way of trying to keep people in line before governments

>>938383462
I agree, being more articulate doesn't make one automatically correct, but for the sake of a rational conversation/debate, INABILITY to fucking commuincate with intelligence is a lower form of attempted participation. So just going
>durrr NU-UH!
Isn't going to cut it here. If you are so smug in your understandings, then by all your means, articulate your fucking points and enlightent he rest of us without the pretense that you alone posses some greater understanding of cosmic forces that the rest of the lowli minds present just couldnt' seem to grasp. Deal?

>>938384028
I am sorry to break it to you, but this is a flat minded, prideful, egoic reading of the situation.

in the pic: Notice the column "God-View".

>>938380217
>I do believe consciousness is not of the brain, just like the internet is not of the phone.
Yea because there in an external environment outside of you that means you aren't just conscious of yourself, you are a series of sensory organs sequestering the sensations of an external world.

>>938383621
That's fine, but that doesn't exlcude the possibility, and likely probability, that the sucess of such a grand fabrication succeeded by merit of multiple tactics and facets of implimented. There's no reason both of those statements are mutually exclusive.

>>938384214
>there in an external environment outside
Sorry to break it to you. Welcome to the early 20th century.

>>938380352
>But even then that doesn't mean you have a soul.
It does though, it means the immaterial things like the overall form IS the soul.

>t just means at some unspecified time conditions could theoretically occur which result in whatever you are happening again.
ie you get a life after life, in other words there is an afterlife.

>Not that you have any sort of continuity or spirit existence.
Consciousness is spirit, it means the brain is not just the material, there is some reproducible, yet immaterial aspect that makes the whole greater than the parts which is all anyone really means when they talk about soul or spirit.

>>938384192
I'm sorry to break it to you, but that pic is a pathetically ignorant attempt to correlate things it's designer didn't fully understand. It's hippy nonsense.

>>938384321
I'm intersted in readin ghte publication. Do you have a link or a citation so I don't have to go digging for it?

>>938380280
Factorial function is not based solely on sums and you have it backwards, nothing builds up to everything 0!=100%.

>>938384341
Do you know of a scientist denying this? As far as I am aware physicist moved passed locality a while ago. All the early quantum physics were already there.

>>938384396
You sound like you know some good mathematic linguistics. Forgive me for not being able to sort anons, but what is your stance on the Thread Topic?

>>938380421
0 is his god, though and its far more difficult and time consuming to logically wholly understand 0 and all of its implications than to just accept all the illogical disjointed nonsense involved in a personal magical man who magically makes whatever deus ex machinas are necessary from moment to moment to justify its simultaneous existence and completely lack of direct observability.

>>938380528
How exactly do you break a phone's main board so that the internet partially works like with brain damage? If your metaphor held up, it would either work or not when the connection was severed, it wouldn't retain a bunch of functionality, but still work for the most part.

>>938380531
Yet here you are unable to demonstrate any of this yourself, you haven't actually pulled anything out of nothing, you just have an imagination like everyone else.

>>938384426
Your reply has nothing to do with the post my comment was addressing. Don't try to convolute the progress of the conversation.

>>938363769
>>938384181
>the pretense that you alone posses some greater understanding of cosmic forces
feel free to show any evidence for any gods or spirituality

>>938380573
No because ∞ /= ∞+0 like actual numbers, it is the uppermost upper limit, not some random number in some random set.

>>938384481
>personal magical man who magically makes whatever deus ex machinas are necessary from moment to moment to justify its simultaneous existence and completely lack of direct observability.

Alright
> personal
Yes, there's a link between all being and eternity, let's call that midpoint "Personal"
> Magical man
It doesn't have to be a man, people just used man symbolically in those religious painting that retards like you took literally.

> whatever deus ex machinas are necessary from moment to moment
It's call imagination, and we've built civilization thanks to it, sure you can call a building or the knowledge to make fires at night deus ex machinas, but It's still amazing that from imagination we can extract stuff

> its simultaneous existence and completely lack of direct observability
Fish in water

>>938384481
Nice mouthful; pretenscious as fuck for someone attempting to appear as an intellectual having a rational conversation, but you do you.

>>938384527
My anallgy holds up perfectly simple. If the phone is damaged, like a simple cracked screen vis-a-vis minor brain damage, Though the accessibility is still hypothetically present, the UI might prohibit its utilization. Ta-da... and don't bother trying to convolute the analogy by citing the relativity of the screen to the brain. The phone en toto is analogous of the brain.

[Vnr.]

>>938384251
Yes he had his propagandists like Josephus and he was part of many factions who contributed to his rise, but that doesn't mean the character's in the story are real, that would be a liability because then there might be real people to disagree with the narrative.

>>938384321
That doesn't mean there is no external environment, though.
I bet you can't even explain your own source and what is meant by locally not real.

>>938384600
I'm getting there, but more than likely, since clearly most of the participants in here haven't sat through any of my previous lectures, you'll have some "homework" and independant study to do before you're caaught up enough for the next lesson with more substance.

Also..
>NOU
is not a valid refute or tactic of indicative of intellectual prowess here. I called you oth to substantiate what you don't want to accept as "static" and your response is to not only NOT substantiate anything, but to try and reverse that on me. I didn't make any claims in my address... not yet kid.

[S AA 4 A]

>>938384436
OP didn't define his terms, likely because he can't do so logically, so the topic of the thread is rather convoluted and nonsensical and has devolved into exactly what you would expect people talking about completely different things while using the overlapping verbiage.

>>938384743
I absolutely agree that neither Jesus nor any of the characters in "The Greatest Story Ever Told" are real. They're all ficticious characters.

Unless I missed some element of the exchange between the two of you anons, there's till nothing presented that holds mutually exclusive between your positions.

>>938384720
>Yes, there's a link between all being and eternity, let's call that midpoint "Personal"
No, a person is a being with personal agency, a person is not something halfway to infinity, that is retardedly nonsensical.

>It doesn't have to be a man
OP posted a man and traditional religions do specifically denote god as a father and a man, go to some other site if you want to worship and discuss your tranny god.

>It's call imagination
I don't even think you understood what I said or your own argument in general if your now trying to make the case that god is just imaginary and we have to try to figure out how to build it based on the logistics intersecting with our imaginary ideals of a god.

>Fish in water
What about them? Fish understand water quite well, they can jump out of it, glide on the surface, use it in their internal chambers to adjust their buoyancy, and use it as a weapon by spitting or by directing carefully selected jets of water at predators or prey.

>>938384831
No, I've already seen enough symptoms to know what's actually going on here. You got a couple of Jews in here intentionally convoluting the progression of the conversation/debate and artificially causing divisiveness where minutia otherwise might be slide along in favor of more substantial points, probably the likes which wouldn't fit with their agenda and narrative. It happens every time these threads pop up. ...and they always confuse everyone else as I begin to put them into their proper places. Tragically, the goal isn't for them to win, but simply keep everyone else from wining by concensus or advancement. To that end, they make their quotas. Not this time.

/thread

Everyone who genuinely wants to discuss the topic further needs to brush up on a few basics before you see me again.
>Collective Mass Subconscious Theory
>Math as an Axiomatic Language
>Theories and Concepts of Energy based Lifeforms
>Quantum Computation and Consciousness
>General Relativity vs Special Relativity
>Quantum Mechanics and Relativity

If any of these are out of your league, that's okay, but it'll be recommend that without proficieny understanding of these that you stay out of the debates to come.

As an extra credit assignment, lurk and observe for the sake of study and understanding, the tactics of Jews on /b/, especially regarding such as they push an agenda by disrupting intellectual recourse threads.

;) Fuck you.

>>938384727
Yea I would assume that someone mathematically illiterate who doesn't understand even the logical basics of 0 to be incredibly confused when talking about it.

> like a simple cracked screen vis-a-vis minor brain damage
A cracked screen doesn't affect the internet connection or computation rate at all, though, your metaphor is nonsense, aside from some software intervention like a ISP governor program or VPN or something either a phone's internet connection is completely broken or it is completely functional.

>>938384851
>there's till nothing presented that holds mutually exclusive between your positions.
Except there is because he says that certain character in the bible are real themselves and wholly responsible for the fictionalization instead of that a roman emperor and his propaganda network is responsible for the fictionalization of the main and minor characters of the bible.

The other anon doesn't agree with you that all the characters are fictitious characters which is mutually exclusive of us claiming that they are all fictional.

>>938385110
Hey everyone! Look at this retarded fuck.

>>938385026
>specifically denote god as a father and a man
While I am no Christian, pretty sure "father, and son" thing is symbolic. Sure, some Christian sects are retarded and bought it literally, but I really doubt the people painting god as a man, like Michel Angelo though of him as a literal man. He even painted him in a brain, telling us where he though god really was, always there waiting for us to extend our finger.

>>938385101
Nice No True Scotsman cope, but the subject is very convoluted and there are many different factions, its not just you versus jews, the jews don't even agree themselves just like you won't ever find a single person in this thread or anywhere else that wholly agrees with your personal conclusions.

>>938385218
Ok, hi retarded fuck, why do you want people to look at you so badly, are you adopted and never got hugs?

>>938385222
Nope, Jesus was not a tranny, its not just a Christian thing to call god the father a father, it was not just symbolic, it was a necessary component of the jewish religion's traditional logic because of the story of creation of man and woman.

>>938385026
> "show me where in the square lies this "3d" cube of yours"
> "Here"
> "No, the square morphed into an hexagone, that's no "cube" "

>quantum mechanics and math, therefore god and spirituality
>checkmate atheists

>>938385261
>Tries to cite a logic fallacy
>sites one that doesn't apply
That wasn't even a nice try dumbass. I made no attempt to disqualify anyone as an intellectual and the standards I set to promote higher levels of intelletual recourse are far from unobtainable. You're either an idiot, or one of the guilty parties aforementioned. ;D

>>938380761
>In DCSS there are infinite levels
So its not actually infinite, there is just some unbounded element, like if you repeated 0 over and over without bound, but you aren't actually progressing to infinity, you are just repeating the same small thing in an infinite loop.

>They go on infinitely, but they still operate within the bounds
No, that is not going on infinitely, that is doing the same thing in an infinite time loop.

>I can't just roll the dice a bajillion times and get a random new thing nobody had coded in there
You would if you had an infinitely sided die instead of just rolling one x sided die over and over.

>Even infinite things can and do have some levels of boundaries.
No, you can just repeat bounded things without limit, that doesn't make the bounded thing infinite, it makes the repetition unending.

>we can see.
That just means your sight is bounded and you are looking at the same basic things over and over, not necessarily the universe is bounded.

>>938381200
>2. A universe (for not reason at all)
It has a reason, the same reason you put step 2. after step 1 instead of something else, even though your step 1 was technically step 0 because it was nothing.

>>938385531
> Nothing exists beyon this material universe
> Don't worry how this universe came to be
> Check mate all of humanity (except us the atheistic modern minority who have been losing ground these past few years politically for having let fertile grounds for demons to spawn again)

>>938382108
You can describe sqrt(-1) using only the real number line, you can just incorporate matrices instead of branching off into spaces that don't actually exist.

>>938385709
>Nothing exists beyon this material universe
no one said that
other universes also existing and causality existing do not imply and gods

>>938385531
It's not about convincing people to believe what I believe; ergo "checkmate"
It's about understanding why I believe what I believe and how I came to the conclusion overcoming "blind faith" and ignorance. Learning how Science and Spirituality are not mutually exclusive. ...and in the process, refining one's understanding of the scientific methods. Too many psueds think themselves science-minded, but are obviously closed-minded. THOSE two things are mutually exlusive. One can not genuinely embrace scientific exploration and be closed-minded by vice of willful ignorance.

>>938382501
So you are admitting that all your nonsense about god is just an imaginary dream you regularly have?

>>938385685
I did think about it, but I prioritized simplicity over the petty and the obtuse. Sane people know what I meant. But since you commented.

Here :
0. Nothing
1. Big bang (for no reason at all)
2. Universe
3. Collapse of the universe
4. Nothing forever.

>>938382733
That dreams have just as much influence over reality as actual physical action.

>>938382910
>It was the most avoidable death I've ever seen
Then you haven't looked into how many kids have died in hot cars since they passed laws saying you had to keep children in back seats for their protection.

>>938382925
The mind/imagination is already the square root of negative one, you are trying to say there is some other component than just imagination that makes i=1 at some point when i is actually completely orthogonal to R and the real plane has 0 in common with the imaginary plane since the only place they intersect is at the 0 point.

>>938385950
>The mind/imagination is already the square root of negative one
what?

>>938383219
Too bad the god who wrote that quote also destroyed the efficacy of words because he was jealous of a tall building, so you really have no idea what he said because of translation and the degradation of language over time and literally nobody calls him that name and they just call him God which is actually a name for Odin instead of the god in the book of exodus.

why do you believe in god?

>>938385816
Except you still clearly didn't understand my comment since you still don't seem to understand that there is a reason that 1 comes after 0 since you still recognized that 0 necessarily preceded 1 in your list.

>>938386015
You are 1 person, looking into yourself is the negative direction instead of looking outward which is positive, and trying to understand what you imagine is getting to the root, so in the metaphor you are setting up, using your imagination for introspection is the value you are calling i, you aren't describing a third spiritual element, you are just describing reality vs imagination, you need some third plane outside of the real and imaginary to equate to a god because all you have done with your complex 2 plane is describe your physical vs you imaginary states.

>>938386248
I imagine this all sounds really deep and profound when you're baked out of your mind

>>938385848
All mobilizations are initiated by intention and all intentions are drawn out of the imagining of a better world. So I guess yeah.

>>938386346
Its fine if you don't understand what you are talking about in the first place, but why do you think the collective of people who developed i (instead of s) called it the imaginary plane not the spiritual plane?
The omnipotent spirit wouldn't be based on 1, it would be based on infinity, but there is no infinity plane and there is no know way to directly equate 1 to infinity like they have directly tied 1 to i^2.

>>938386347
>All mobilizations are initiated by intention
No, balls roll down hill because of gravity, not because they intended on reaching the bottom, mindless wind and rain can carry rocks across the desert without any specific intent by the rocks of reaching any particular destination.

>>938386612
>assuming the intentions of rocks

>>938361498 (OP)
God died in 1874. We've been left to our own devices.

>>938386740
No, I am assuming that rocks don't dictate the intentions of the wind and rain, so the rock's movement and final destination is not based on their own intentions, but on the arbitrary force of wind and rain working in tandem.

>>938361498 (OP)
Due to not being able to prove or disprove such an entity's existence, blind faith is foolish. Find meaning and purpose on your own accord, but don't get mad when your death is pure nothingness like your life never happened, with no afterlife if you get resisitated/revived in the middle of experiencing it at some point.

>>938387278
>Due to not being able to prove or disprove such an entity's existence,
The only ones that can't be proved are disproved are the ones that can't be coherently defined. You can disprove all the gods that supposedly live in a castle on Mount Olympus, you just can't address the ones that live in a magical realm that is everywhere but is impossible to see.

>>938361498 (OP)
no

>>938387471
Why not?

>>938385816
Big bang is actually step 0.0... since it is just the expansion of nothing into an infinite field of nothing, 1 doesn't occur until there is 1 full universe (since spacetime came as a result of the big bang) and that infinite field of nothing has congealed into a single unified field called the universe.

>>938386612
sorry I was fapping, look up everything is conscious, start like guys who are atheist like this guy if you hate "woohoo" people

https://youtu.be/mhGy-pj1yw0?si=KfwicdDW60WBW95h

>>938389517
Even if the air and water and rock are conscious,, the movement I described isn't the result of some thing's conscious intent since it is from several different elements simultaneously interacting in ways that are outside of the scope of each individual element.

>>938383647

Retards calling people retards. Not good.

>>938382526

Yes, its those damn druids running Hollywood...

>>938383899
Concession accepted

>>938390335
>druids
... I wonder who had the same religion for over 3000 years and is ruling Hollywood now

>>938390738
Not to mention the united States lol

>>938361498 (OP)
no.