Thread 938985338

Does it ever get better? I have periods of sobriety, sometimes up to a year, but I always fall back into relapse and the cycle of self destruction which takes m back to square one every time. Does anyone ever actually beat this?

>>938985338 (OP)
Beat it? You think it gets better?

Sorry man, it’s a constant daily battle. Why do you think they keep saying “one day at a time”? You will spend the rest of your life craving a drink.

If it makes you feel any better that’s the story with suicidal people. No matter how much better their life gets, given the choice they’d take a guilt free instant death every time.

>>938985338 (OP)
>>938985489
Fat drugs like ozempic and wegovy kill the alcohol craving. I drink about once a month now.

>>938985489
That's the thing though. I'm not an "every day" guy. I can go weeks without thinking about buying booze. But whenever something somewhat stressful or bad happens, and sometimes even good things, I think "fuck, a drink would make this so much better". I think this could actually be worse, cause the craving hits you like a brick in the face out of nowhere and you don't know how to deal with it.

>>938985489
Oh my fucking god that drink is absolute fucking hog swill. Is someone paying you to drink that garbage, as a dare?

>>938985338 (OP)
Once an addict ALWAYS an addict. If you dont have a drop of booze for the rest of your life, you'll still be a worthless alcoholic when you die.

Of all the drugs to shackle yourself to, you chose literally the worst one.

I say drink yourself to death in one sitting.

>>938986207
Crack is worse by far

>>938986207
Alcohol is the only drug I can reasonably get here in Austin. We went from one of the best places in the region to get weed about 15 years ago to now almost guaranteed the literal worst. And it'll never get fixed until it gets legalized.

>>938985970
You're a binge drinker, of the relapsing type. We are the worst. Every day alcoholics tend to be happy with enough just to slow their brains down and fall asleep at the end of a day, even if that takes 10 beers. We will literally go weeks or months without drinking and then relapse into literal suicidal binges with which we are dancing with death each time.

I think the bottom line is that we drink for the high, but daily drinkers drink just to relax.

>>938986537
How would you compare alcohol to weed in terms of addiction, destruction etc? Ofc I've asked chatgpt this and google a million times but nothing beats actual human experience.

>>938986207
>If you dont have a drop of booze for the rest of your life, you'll still be a worthless alcoholic when you die.
You're retarded

>>938986598
They're complete opposite. Alcohol is poison and weed is medicine. Actual good weed. You take one single hit and youre stoned. Two hits and youre blitzed. Cover of High Times and shit. That was the normal for at least a decade. Now here its all gone unless Im really plugged in. And I'm on my 3rd guy.

If I secretly feed you 2 liters of vodka every week for 3 months you will become physically addicted. You won't even know whats going on with your onset of withdrawal attacks and you'll assume you got sick or something. Weed is impossible to get physically addicted to.

>>938986697
It's precisely that that makes a person an alcoholic. Normal people can drink a single shot and not have it ruin their lives.

>>938986697
This. Some people are born with genetic dispositions to anxiety. This is confirmed. Whether it's cause their brain is rejecting civilised society, or processed food, or even vaccines or other toxic shit, it doesn't matter. They will have to live with anxiety, which is fucking horrible. Anxiety can turn into terror and panic very easily. Alcohol is like the ultimate solution to it. If anxiety is fire, then alcohol is water (a silly analogy). Therefore it's no surprise that people with this type of brain end up addicted to booze when its the ultimate solution to their problem.

>>938986867
Anxiety is a natural human emotion. It helps us survive. On the extreme level, paranoia does too. It has kept us alive for thousands of years so the vast majority of people have it to some extent. Overly relaxed or trusting people got eaten by a bear or poisoned by an enemy.
The main issue with anxiety in modern society is that it's misplaced. The chances of you being killed on your everyday routine now are negligible, yet our brain is still actively looking for that bear or rival.

This is what my rehab councillor taught me and it helped me to understand my brain a lot. He said it's the reason a lot of alcoholics drink, and they don't even know it. We are literally suppressing obsolete primal instincts.

>>938986787
The physical withdrawal from alcohol is somehow even worse than the psychological (which is also pretty hellish). Having your heart feeling like it's going to explode like you're going to have a heart attack or stroke any second, and your body twitching everywhere is not a fun time.

>>938985338 (OP)
Alcohol is a symptom. I was sad and drinking myself to death because I was a wageslave, slaving my life away 13 hours per day. I realized what the problem was and worked to solve it. I'm now somewhat rich, but the most important thing is I don't go to waste my life being a corporation's slave.
Now, I drink once every 2 months approximately and I get drunk after 4 beers, which is lightweight compared to what I've been drinking in the past.

>>938986352
Crack is just cocaine. As long as you control dosage and frequency of use, it is harmless in comparison to alcohol - which is processed by the liver INTO A FUCKING CARCINOGEN.

Quit being a retard, and if that isn't an option, kill yourself.

>>938989210
What about PCP?

>>938989210
What about jenkum?

>>938989263
What about it? Phencyclidine is also physically harmless at reasonable dosages. It will cause brain lesions at higher doses, but that's on the person, not the drug.

There's no way to avoid the acetyldehyde (carcinogen) produced by your liver when it metabolizes ethanol.

>>938987145
Yep. Been there. Relentless panic attacks, hallucinations, shitting yourself into dehydration. I am Irish/Native American, so I never stood a chance. I’m sober now, but it is only a matter of time until I start again

>>938990443
Only is evil in that it draws you back in.

>>938990771
Yeah, the craving never leaves. That’s why I said it’s only a matter of time

>>938986787
This is nonsense.
Weed is highly addictive and physically addictive. Your body adapts to its presence and you require increasing amounts of it to get the same effect.
When you stop getting high you will experience physical withdrawal effects for weeks or even months.

I don't know where this dudebro idea that weed isn't addictive came from. Something to do with very week weed being used occasionally by hippies in the 70s and then nobody updated their knowledge with the peer reviewed published science.

>>938985995
Yeah, yeah, yeah. All middle shelf stuff is like raw sewage filtered through a rusty sieve to you. Tell us more.

>>938989671
Jenkum is the shit.

>>938991381
depends on whether they want to actually change or just want to stay high, imo

>>938985338 (OP)
i dunno
i relapsed after 20 months
woke up this morning having pissed the bed while unconscious, at least a liter
so i guess i need to quit again
i know some folks in AA who have long-term sobriety, but they're mostly miserable, still very broken people, and tbh i'm not sure i believe they've actually remained sober the whole time
yay

I'm alcoholic. I went 4 days without for the first time in months but I'm gonna drink now. I can't take it any more.

>>938991930
That's fucking risky. I'll bet you anything you only had like two hours of sleep during those four days. Cheers you fuck

>>938985338 (OP)
Nearly five months sober here. Used to drink 24 beers a day. It does get better, but it damn well helps to have something to aim for. Something really big to give you some kind of direction. Plus, you gotta fill all the hours that you used to spend drinking -- so get into hobbies, big and plenty if needed. Most days I don't even think about drinking now. Can't speak for others, but yes, for me it's gotten better.

>>938992006
I'll "sleep" tonight at least. By which I mean pass out and have sleep without all the sleep phases.

I beat it 14 years ago. Its possible, never mentioned what others said. Try sports and develop goals for your life. Never lie to yourself! I think thats the way.

>>938985338 (OP)
mmm, amber wood and cereal juice

>>938985338 (OP)
I'm not interested in alcohol as a recreational drug but more as a geeky interest

>>938985338 (OP)
The only way to cure alcoholism is to fix all the issues in your life making you want to drink. Unfortunately that's even harder than quitting the booze itself. If you live in misery until the day you die, then you'll crave a drink until the day you die.

>>938996044
Expensive bottles of scotch, special cellars, wine pairing, shit like that?

>>938985995
I'll bet you can't stomach anything other than pink whitney

>>938996622
yeah, although I don't have access to any of that stuff

>>938986598
Alcohol is much more immediately destructive, but probably a little less addictive than weed. Weed will sneak up on you. I got to the point where I was vomiting anytime I wasn't high. Went from 160lbs at 5'10" (skinny) to 135lbs (auschwitz)

>>938986787
>weed is medicine
So is oxycontin. Doesn't mean it won't ruin your life
>weed is impossible to get physically addicted to
I've done it. Vomiting, constant hot/cold flashes, complete lack of sleep ,all for an entire week. Honestly felt like a manic episode. Sure it won't kill you, but opiate withdrawal can't kill you either

>>938985338 (OP)
identify why you drink and deal with the root of the problem, not the symptom.

>>938997174
Having quit both, weed was worse. Weed stays in the system longer and affects almost every system of the body.

In weed withdrawal you do not sleep (I was awake 4-5 days in a row, and even after that, only 1-2 hours per night), had intense hot flushes, sweating, inability to control my body temperature, nausea and vomiting, complete lack of appetite, extreme anxiety, complete depression and cratering of pleasure. You will enjoy nothing for 3+ months, and enter perhaps the greatest bleakest dark period of your life in which you try to kill yourself (I did). But I know now I was not myself.

Weed completely messes with your dopamine system and rewires it, and you become incapable of enjoying anything without it. You have to get high to eat, or have sex or masturbate or play a video game or watch TV or doing anything. It can make you content or happy for years of your life to do nothing, and it will feel good and extremely rewarding. But when you remove it, it's really fucking bleak for a long time until your brain recovers and builds new dopamine pathways that aren't based on getting high.

In comparison, alcohol is much easier in some ways, but harder in others. Alcohol withdrawal lasts less long. It's unpleasant, and you get sweaty, with an increased heart rate, and struggle to sleep, but it's over quicker. If you are dependent on alcohol, then it can be dangerous - you can have a seizure and die, so tapering or having other medication can help. But the body load and physical withdrawal is nothing like weed and is over much faster, then all you are left with is the desire for pleasure and relaxation, you don't get months of feeling physically sick and unable to sleep and unable to enjoy anything.

Weed withdrawal for the most part is not dangerous. It's just horrible and lasts for a long time.

Weed withdrawal? I casually smoked for like 10 years. I don’t think I ever had it withdrawal symptom. Grant it I wasn’t reliant on it to get me through my day I think the only person I’ve ever heard complain that it was rough was Kelly Osbourne and she’s kind of an attention whore.

>>938985338 (OP)
I hate to use this word, but what "triggers" you?
For me it's my mom

>>938998578
>I hate to use this word, but what "triggers" you?
I know what you mean. Makes me almost cringe to say it.
Also, same here. My mother was a schizophrenic raging alcoholic. Booze helps with flashbacks and panic attacks.

>>938999191
>flashbacks
When you say flashbacks, are you talking like having vivd memories? Or is it like in a tv show where the character is literally there?

>>938991434
Tolerance and addiction are different entirely.
Source: a fucking dictionary you actual retard.
Disregard anybody who tells you that weed is somehow similar at all to alcohol. They're things people do when they want to escape. That's the common ground. One of them takes you to a gentle place where you laugh and love more, and might even be motivated to get up from your depression. The other makes you time travel to a future where you're dying painfully and alone and you fucking deserve it.

relapsed a bunch of times here. shits hard. helps make boring things fun, its something to do. been to the hospital several times, had seizures, had a big brain bleed that required two surgeries to fix and made it so i couldn't walk(my balance is still fucked three months later). my nose and toe and broken, my body is still bruised. somehow my liver tests have gotten way better and I'm not about to die or anything. my family is mad, girlfriend is mad too even though she drinks too and used to wet the bed a lot, etc. its not the best.

>>938991434
Bullshit. I've been smoking one or two hits of weed about every day for 40 years. Some days it's still too much.

>>938997719
How much were you smoking a day?

>>939000922
swifty checked
i also had a brain bleed from drinking that required surgery
first neurologist i saw said i was lucky to be alive

>>938991893
oh fuck, sorry to hear your relapse. especially because i'm at 763 sober days, which is not much more than 20 months... I thought I'm done with it finally, I even had some thoughts about social drinking in the future. But I guess that's not a good idea.

You managed to stop drinking once. I'm sure you will do it again. Just start at day one.

>>938985338 (OP)
Been sober for 3 weeks and things have gotten better. Once in a while I'll see a beer commercial, or think about drinking, but the thought quickly leaves my head. I'm proud of my 3 weeks and want to watch number go up.

I quit smoking crack over a decade ago and never went back the same way I'm dropping the sauce now so maybe I'm just built different, but even in the 3 weeks I stopped drinking, things are a lot easier.

Don't give up anon. You're fighting a fight worth fighting for.

>>938985933
good goyim. keep taking your meds like a good lab subject

>>938997719
holy shit, you're a spineless loser. weed is only addicting mentally and not physically. anyone who says otherwise is a lying through their teeth. weed is the easiest habit to kick. easier than caffeine or nicotine. the reason it lets faggots like you fuck with their dopamine levels is because you don't get any proper stimulation other than weed. alcohol? you're comparing apples to celery, you incredible fucking retard. holy shit here i am taking your bait like a moron. get fucked, you stupid troglodyte.

>>939002478
thanks, man, and congrats on your sobriety
i don't know what kind of drinker you were, but for me, social drinking isn't an option
i used to joke before my alcoholism that a drink sounded good, but after 1 drink, another sounded good, then after 2, 4 sounded good, etc., so even back then i understood the way alcohol lowers some people's inhibitions when it comes to drinking more alcohol (and other things), but that describes me
i drink to get drunk and black out; if i don't have enough to do that, i know i'll drive to get it, while already loaded, so i buy enough to black out so that doesn't happen
so there's really no tapering for me, fortunately i have some benzos to ease the withdrawal
gotta not drink tonight, i can't keep pissing myself while i'm unconscious
it's no way to live
back on the wagon, i guess

>>938985338 (OP)
Im 44 been an alcoholic my whole life. Its like the stock market. Ups and downs but always getting worse the longer I go. The fag that says ozyempic/wegovy works isnt that big of an alcoholic. Ive been on zepound for a year and drinking more than ever.

My dad is jsut like me and at 70 still drinks but seems to be okay with not pounding it down to the extreme like he used to. He is okay with less than he used to but cant go a single night without or he has horrible withdrawal.

nexterone worked temporarily but again- powered through it and it had zero effect once I got past the 2nd drink.

Only thing that's ever really had a lasting effect is a major life event change such as a move or a job change... But as soon as the boredom crept back into my life, I was back at it

>>939002713
It's easier to kick if you don't have it around, but if you have it around, it's easy to stay dependent IMO

>don't drink often
>sometimes with a meal, wine or beer or somesuch
>enjoy going to the bar to watch the game
>have a few pints because why not
>omg anon ur an alcoholic
>what? no I'm not
>denial is the first sign!
>fine
>go see a therapist
>tell him my drinking habits
>says you're fine
>go to the doctor
>tell them my drinking habits
>well, you shouldn't drink at all
I hate how "binge" drinkers who go fucking apeshit for a few days at a time are causing normal people like me to catch flak. Fuck you people.

>>939002713
This is wrong. We know there's physical withdrawals, nausea and vomiting with sporadic diarrhea is common.

>>939003789
Imagine being such a faggot that you go to a therapist and a doctor over having a few pints, and then criticize anyone else who drinks.

Gonna get fucking trashed during work tomorrow in your honor, faggot. Did you check with your therapist to see if it's okay to post on 4chan too?

>>938985338 (OP)
I got better. I just stopped. Completely.
I think I had sort of an epiphany where I really realized that I was completely incapable of having a beer. I couldnt have a drink. I couldnt have a shot. If I had one it would be two then three then four then ...
So I quit completely. I avoided social settings where drink would be implied. I told my friends that I was not going to drink and they shouldnt offer me anything. I brought sodas.
After a few years I was going to parties as the designated driver.
After about a decade I sat down with a friend and had a beer, with the singular goal of having exactly one beer. And it worked.
But it took a decade of sobriety to really get the instinct of drinking till I dropped out.

>>939002713
How guys who do dabs 24/7 talk after you mention they might have a probem

>>938985338 (OP)
Alcoholism is usually a genecurse you can't do much about. Eventually you'll die.

>>939004148
What problem? Being high ASF and having a good time?

>>939003970
I went to get people off my back who were bitching at me for it. The fact that I had to go is your fault and I hope you wrap your car around a tree or kill some kids and go to jail forever.

>>939004304
uhh, based‽

>>938985338 (OP)
just watch out and dont drink to much, ended up drinking 500ml to 1L of spirits each day for a year or two and ended up with pancreatitis, cant drink ever again without the risk of it happening. fucking hurts like a bitch

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>>939004304
>Eventually you'll die
Everyone dies

>>938985338 (OP)
Fuck no. Never. I am a Chad White shoplifter. If I were some stumbling drunk or pot head my adventures and attempts at banditry would not be very innovative to say the least. I bet you can't even d a moonsault, I can. The ladies love it too.
But that stuff is poison man, and NOT your friend even if it feels like it.
>Using clues in context
We always sober thieves aren't afraid of the dark, you are using that bottle jew to ignore something or some aspect of yourself you are afraid to face. You guys are all the same. You could got to that AA stuff and quit and even make some friends I hear.

>>939003707
this is absolutely correct
>>939003813
no you're wrong because you're probably smoking dog shit if it's fucking with you physically. the reason you have nausea and diarrhea is because being the typical stoner means you most likely eat out a lot and introducing processed food into your diet.
>>939004148
ive dabbed for over a decade and smokes ounces within a couple of weeks. i quit cold turkey to gain clearance for a govt job piss test where the proctor had to look at my dick while peeing into a cup. if you have a legit reason to quit, then detoxing shouldn't be an issue.

the typical stoner has no drive and motivation. they will make up every single excuse not to quit because it "just feels good" and their life is comfortable where they are at. i still smoke to this day and do fine kicking it when i need a tolerance break.

>>939004665
I'm not wrong because there's now studies that prove it, retard.

>>939004665
lmao this faggot is an addict and can't even acknowledge it

>>939004701
stop eating slop, you fucking loser

>>939004735
nigger, i just said i take tolerance breaks unlike you. im sorry you're retarded and can't read. typical stoner.

itt: retarded stoners in denial

Genetic functional alcoholic. Fighting it for over 20 years. Lost a job, relationships, a band. I live by myself.
Been about a fifth a day for the past year. Vodka. It's taken a toll on my body now. The death breath started a few months ago. Almost went to hospital Sunday night with horribly bad tremors.

Two days sober. I know it's gonna kill me. It's just a matter of how soon. Plus I don't want my mom to bury her son.

>>938988072
Same story but I was in the military and saw shit. Now I'm happy and gent drunk off 2 tall boys once every 6 mo.

>>938985338 (OP)
drink

>>938985338 (OP)
https://youtu.be/7s8glZ-efMg?t=2

>>939003789
>>939004335
The amount of projecting from your two posts is unbearable to read. Youre blaming people on /b/ for a stigma first off. Then youre upset how your inner circle perceives you. Im fairly sure youre just a nuisance to begin with and your friends and family are looking for a reason why.

>This is an alcoholic thread, not a bitch thread.

>>939010863
Then why is everyone bitching in it? Stoner in denial and fags and that's it.

>>939010940
Idk seems like most people here are being supportive about sobriety. The only person I see actually bitching is you and how you had to pay for a therapy session..

>>939011164
Just gonna ignore the stoner huh? Fag. Hope you get into a wreck and kill somebody.

>flashbacks and panic attacks
An anon mentioned that previously, what are those actually?

>>939011367
Just gonna ignore
>Youre just a nuisance to begin with and you dont need alcohol to be one

I hope you get some rest, you seem stressed.

>>939011505
Nah, you fuckers with your bad reputation are giving society-writ-large a bad rap because your daddy beat the shit out of you when he was drunk and now you're doing the same shit. Get into a wreck and kill somebody else's kid.

>>938985338 (OP)
get some sober people in your life. work towards a gf. you're probably such a mess right now. nobody wants to be around who stinks of booze. get your shit together and be the man you can be. get hooked on water and working out and you will find the love missing in your heart. alcoholism is just suicide.

>>939004335
>I'm a big baby bitch who asked my thewapist if I can have drinkies!

Sorry fag, I'm a great drunk driver, never gonna happen to me! Maybe I should go ask my mechanic if it's okay first though lmao

I had a friend who used Kava to get off alchohol. I haven't tried it personally - but Kratom and other stimulants helped a lot.

Anybody else have experience with Kava?