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Rimuru No.939619138 >>939622034 >>939623277
AI DEGENerated art & porn
Sloppy Toppy Edition

Previously on /degen/: >>939615140

>>> Local install <<<
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Easy Diffusion (Beginner): https://easydiffusion.github.io/

>>> Online Image Generators <<<
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Civitai: https://civitai.com/
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>>> FAQ <<<
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Assel No.939619239 >>939619586 >>939622439
Rimuru No.939619586 >>939621116
>>939619239
Hey Assel, post here first:
>>939619096
Anonymous No.939621088
r/ing dogs fucking asian lolis while they cry
Anonymous No.939621089 >>939624476
Anonymous No.939621096 >>939621255
thanks for precum bake
Assel No.939621116 >>939621255
>>939619586
oh. good to know.
Thank you xD
Anonymous No.939621146 >>939621176
Anonymous No.939621173 >>939621615
>>939620867
So that's why anime girls don't have noses...
Anonymous No.939621176
>>939621146
Nice
Anonymous No.939621178 >>939621249 >>939621299 >>939621985
>>939620709
https://files.catbox.moe/6euhrk.png

She just won't put the damn head under the bed :_)
Assel No.939621212
>>939620615
>crabguy is back *sigh*
>how do we get rid of him

sorry
Anonymous No.939621224
what kind of tags do yall use for tentacles and such?
also anyone have the link for setting up the catbox stuff, i remember reading something about dual posting at some point but i was barely genning at that point.
asking again since i was the last image post on last thread.
Anonymous No.939621226
/r/ing cunny buttjobs, bonus points for showing feet and hot lingerie
bestfriend No.939621238
Theme tax, extra sloppy
Anonymous No.939621249 >>939621348 >>939621705
>>939621178
Forgotten pic
Rimuru No.939621255 >>939621305
>>939620666
Misty WDIAGW with Hypnos

>>939621096
:3

>>939621116
yw xD

Queue:
>>939619752
>Toph WDIAGW
>>939615922
>>939615950
>>939617807
>>939619864
Anonymous No.939621268
Can we get some Gumball waterson in his cheerleader outfit or his dress? With a bigggggg asss pretty please :^)
Blipppp No.939621294 >>939621345 >>939621366 >>939621392 >>939621410
Anonymous No.939621297
How many of you got models from civit?
Tr0gd0r No.939621299 >>939622244
>>939621178
nta can i pls beg you for basically this exact same prompt but with blonde hair and instead of shorts white pantyhose with a visible panty line underneath?
Anonymous No.939621305 >>939621553
>>939621255
Can you make her unhappy looking sir.
Her life went wrong after all
Anonymous No.939621309
Anonymous No.939621345 >>939621392
>>939621294
Damn
Anonymous No.939621348
>>939621249
<3 continue. her shorts seem very loose and big. hope they don't fall off
Anonymous No.939621360
Anonymous No.939621366 >>939621392
>>939621294
her horny eagerness is getting me hot and bothered
Anonymous No.939621368 >>939621542
>>939621158
Did you get around to "Dad's Lesson Plan"?
Pear No.939621378
what's up degens, long time no see o7
will this thread survive 2 minutes or am I wasting my time here :P

here's some cool stuff I've been playing with yesterday
Assel No.939621388
Blipppp No.939621392 >>939621912
>>939621294
>>939621345
>>939621366
<3
Asjm No.939621401 >>939621912 >>939622439
^^
Anonymous No.939621402 >>939621476
>>939620379
>>939620418
Thought I'd try an image where she was mid unbottoning, the glowing wolf eyes in the prompt gave her wolf ears this time
Anonymous No.939621410
>>939621294
>that grool
*chef kiss*
Asjm No.939621437 >>939621912 >>939622439
other clips
Anonymous No.939621466 >>939621612 >>939621615 >>939624542
>>939619620
Anonymous No.939621476
>>939621402
Helps if I remember to include the image
Anonymous No.939621490 >>939621705 >>939622350
Eclectic No.939621542 >>939621590
>>939621368
I did a little, got some good gens of them getting caught
Anonymous No.939621545
ComfyUI anon is S+ tier man
Rimuru No.939621553
>>939621305
only because I hadn't changed the prompt yet. Reusing before image because
>Also unprompted shiny hypno tf
Anonymous No.939621571 >>939621919 >>939621958 >>939622439
Eclectic No.939621590 >>939621637
>>939621542
Although their positions don't make much sense here, I still love how it turned out
Anonymous No.939621597
someone gen Charlie Kike getting rekt like the jewish cunt he is
Anonymous No.939621602
please sir... may i have some more lolidom?
Anonymous No.939621612
>>939621466
damn man... You're good at this. I'd have liked to see more depth but lemme fish up another good one for you. In honor of my man Eclectic in the thread ;)
Anonymous No.939621613
Pear No.939621614
Sakhalin No.939621615 >>939621645
Theme
>>939621466
Literally irl Hollywood
>>939621173
Why?
Eclectic No.939621637 >>939621692 >>939621835 >>939621912
>>939621590
This is definitely the best one
Anonymous No.939621645
>>939621615
<3 Kirlia!
Assel No.939621649 >>939621769
Anonymous No.939621652 >>939621814 >>939622742
DTISC No.939621654 >>939621748 >>939621769
Anonymous No.939621661
Moar lolis in tights pls
DTISC No.939621688 >>939621748
Anonymous No.939621692 >>939621824
>>939621637
Agreed 100%

It'd be hard to do, but he should be mortified flushing bright red, and she should be like, "Oh hi, Daddy! I did good. :D"
Anonymous No.939621705
>>939621249
>>939621490
DTISC No.939621716 >>939621748
Anonymous No.939621726 >>939622678
Anonymous No.939621729 >>939622071
Tr0gd0r No.939621738 >>939621967
Anonymous No.939621748 >>939622046
>>939621654
>>939621688
>>939621716
God i love starfire so much
Pear No.939621769 >>939621853 >>939622004 >>939622004 >>939623556
>>939621649
that's insanely cute
>>939621654
sprinkle in some distension/bulge? :3
Anonymous No.939621786
im trying but man, im not getting the tentacles i want.
Anonymous No.939621814
>>939621652
oh my
Eclectic No.939621824 >>939622178
>>939621692
Sure, I'll give it a shot. For some reason even with regional prompting it likes to combine them together half of the time rather than as separate people lol. Specifying that she was kneeling and he was standing helped though
Anonymous No.939621827
Sakhalin No.939621835 >>939621995 >>939622178
>Oho! Are you approaching me?
>I can't fuck the shit out of you without approaching first
>>939621637
Shotaloli <3
Assel No.939621853
>>939621769
thank you <3
Assel No.939621888 >>939621946
Blipppp No.939621912 >>939622058 >>939622178
>>939621392
>>939621401
>>939621437
jeeez
>>939621637
nice one
Anonymous No.939621919
>>939621571
needs sudden night club music
Assel No.939621946
>>939621888
this one is not that good, but i love the axolotl
>shit....guess thats my life now
Pear No.939621956
Eclectic No.939621958
>>939621571
Love how he just teleports behind her lol
Anonymous No.939621963 >>939622065
Anonymous No.939621967
>>939621738
The funny thing is... for a horse that's a smallish dick
Anonymous No.939621985 >>939622058 >>939622358
>>939621178
I got it under the covers
Anonymous No.939621995 >>939622131 >>939622391
>>939621835
The hinawari gens still giving you trouble?

The prayer pose was pretty darn good, imo.
DTISC No.939622004 >>939622046
>>939621769
I think I had a thing for all the redheads of my youth
>>939621769
I'll whip something up here while I still have the tab open
Anonymous No.939622034 >>939622430
>>939619138 (OP)
i'm a fucking moron and have never done this before, but i'm so fucking excited. i'm going to be able to get art from my mind into the real world!

i'm going to start with a simple test.
DTISC No.939622046
>>939622004
>>939621748
>I know how to click posts I swear
Blipppp No.939622058 >>939622099 >>939622112 >>939622351 >>939622358
>>939621912
>>939621985
top-down_bottom-up or head_on_ground might help. getting her head under the bed might be tricky tho
Anonymous No.939622065
>>939621963
cutest foots! your overall seems to be too tight. Maybe loosen it up a bit
Anonymous No.939622071
>>939621729
what mix?
Anonymous No.939622075
this is closer to what im trying for rn.
Blipppp No.939622099 >>939622171
>>939622058
Anonymous No.939622112 >>939622358
>>939622058
I changed almost nothing but the checkpoint, removing foot focus I expect will help
Anonymous No.939622117
Anonymous No.939622120
Sakhalin No.939622131 >>939622364
What's the name of that incest coffee brand? Folgers? Smells like it
>>939621995
I just figured you had left lol. Any suggestions for hand gestures? I'll check the boorus
Anonymous No.939622151
Blipppp No.939622171 >>939622239 >>939622443
>>939622099
Anonymous No.939622175 >>939625844
Eclectic No.939622178 >>939622430
>>939621824
Yep, did it again lol. Kinda hot, but not what I'm trying to make

>>939621835
Definitely one of my favorite things to gen
>>939621912
Thanks
Pear No.939622182
Anonymous No.939622217
Anonymous No.939622239
>>939622171
>blocks your path
0.0
Anonymous No.939622244 >>939622285 >>939622292 >>939622362 >>939622441
>>939621299
smoothpits No.939622249 >>939622439
thanks for bake <3
Anonymous No.939622251
Anonymous No.939622274 >>939622362 >>939622439
smoothpits No.939622279
Tr0gd0r No.939622285
>>939622244
wowee thanks
also checked
Anonymous No.939622292 >>939622429 >>939622435 >>939622617
>>939622244
Which tags are you using to get them to look complete 180 degrees opposite of viewer?
Gothica No.939622312 >>939622405 >>939622427
Anonymous No.939622319 >>939622591 >>939622742
Simon Salva No.939622344 >>939622370
As I proposed many threads ago, the appropriate punishment would be many pissed off crabs pinching their balls off.
smoothpits No.939622347 >>939622443
Anonymous No.939622350
>>939621490
Very realistic quality.
I'm sure some of them are gonna get this thread pruned... but they look great
Anonymous No.939622351 >>939622426 >>939622639
>>939622058
different aspect ratio and some prompt juggling
Anonymous No.939622358 >>939622426
>>939621985
Good try
>>939622058
Nice, will experiment
>>939622112
Good catch, it could be influencing too much
Eclectic No.939622362
>>939622244
Nice
>>939622274
Damn
Anonymous No.939622364 >>939622391
>>939622131
No I've been watching. :)
Ah lemme check. Tiger and Rat are good. Really depends on what kinda Jutsu she's molding.
Simon Salva No.939622370
>>939622344

Pedophiles, that is.
Sakhalin No.939622391 >>939622562
>>939621995
How the bloody hell is that ninja index+middle fingers up gesture called? Fucking fuck
>>939622364
Yeah but how do I tell that to the ai?
Anonymous No.939622405 >>939622453
>>939622312
>honey have you seen my candy flavored quaaludes?
>honey?
Anonymous No.939622426 >>939622639
>>939622358
>>939622351
this, I removed soles etc from that, but the aspect ratio and some descriptive additions about looking for something lost under the bed, and removing a couple of other tags
Anonymous No.939622427 >>939622694
>>939622312
Can we pretty please get some peeks of her armpits? :)
Anonymous No.939622429 >>939622523
>>939622292
from behind, from below, not that anon, but these have worked for me.
Rimuru No.939622430 >>939622692 >>939622871
>>939619752
Toph WDIAGW

>>939622034
good luck, you'll get addicted to the gacha
>one more gen

>>939622178
don't know what UI you're using, but use "use command prompt" and have it to where its in the format of
>Overall_Shared_Prompt
>BREAK
>Left_region_specific_prompts
>BREAK
>Right_region_specific_prompts
Idk I'm new to it too, started using it yesterday

Queue:
>>939615922
>>939615950
>>939617807
>>939619864
smoothpits No.939622432
Tr0gd0r No.939622435 >>939622523
>>939622292
nta but "from behind" usually does it for me. add some weight if its not working and/or put something like "looking behind" in the negative prompt. pretty sure 180 view works too.
DualShock No.939622439 >>939622539 >>939622657 >>939622760
Henlo!
>>939619239
I open the thread. First post is the cutest axolotl gen. What a great start
>>939621401
>>939621437
Kanna's ass is best ass. Great animations!
>>939621571
If they guy didn't teleport I would be having a hard time telling it's AI. Is it based on a real girl or a gen?
>>939622249
Hey smooth!
>>939622274
Glad to see you back!
Anonymous No.939622441 >>939622523
>>939622244
Just from_behind, and avoid any tag that could refer to the face (eyes, mouth, looking at ...)
Blipppp No.939622443 >>939622564 >>939622617
>>939622171
>>939622347
so cuteee <3
Simon Salva No.939622453 >>939622504
>>939622405

>honey have you seen my bucket of agitated crabs?

>honey?
Gothica No.939622504 >>939622607
>>939622453
Pear No.939622513
Anonymous No.939622515 >>939622678 >>939622773 >>939622838
Anonymous No.939622523
>>939622429
>>939622435
>>939622441
thx anons! I will have to check through my tags to see if any is face related still.
smoothpits No.939622539 >>939622773
>>939622439
hihihihi!!!
Simon Salva No.939622547
Anonymous No.939622562 >>939622875
>>939622391
I... don't know? hmm should I check the boorus and see if I can track down a tag if one exists.
smoothpits No.939622564 >>939622602
>>939622443
you're cute <3
Anonymous No.939622591
>>939622319
So fucking hot, reminds me of Peach from Dmitrys

More more MORE!
Anonymous No.939622602
>>939622564
Dawn please
Anonymous No.939622607 >>939623100 >>939623311
>>939622504
When is she getting creampied?
Blipppp No.939622617 >>939622838
>>939622443
>>939622292
nta but from_behind, facing_away, ass_focus, back_focus,
Anonymous No.939622639 >>939622798
>>939622351
>>939622426
Well done!
Simon Salva No.939622645
>AHH OH MY GOD IT HURTS! STOP PINCHING MY BALLS! AHH! LORD SAVE ME! PLEASE! I WON'T GENERATE ANY MORE CHILD PORN I PROMISE!

>*scuttle* *scuttle* *pinch* *pinch* *scuttle*
Anonymous No.939622657 >>939622773
>>939622439
Damn she's cute.
Anonymous No.939622678 >>939623263
>>939621726
>>939622515
>not awooing
What is even the point of you, son?
Anonymous No.939622687 >>939622764 >>939622773 >>939622928
>>939619826
Rimuru No.939622692 >>939623427
>>939622430
oops, well luckily I screencapped

Queue:
>Hermoine hypnosis BBC deepthroat
>Velma and Scoob
>Veldora fucking a city with an energy dong
>Mei and Miriam bully/WDIAGW
Gothica No.939622694 >>939623231
>>939622427
smoothpits No.939622721
Anonymous No.939622741 >>939622773 >>939623620
Anonymous No.939622742
>>939622319
>>939621652
MOAR!!
Anonymous No.939622760
>>939622439
Cute axo is supercute
Anonymous No.939622764 >>939622923
>>939622687
very nice.
DualShock No.939622773 >>939622914 >>939622955 >>939623263
>>939622515
What a cutie! Lovely smile
>>939622539
Lick lick!
>>939622657
thanks
>>939622687
Nice
>>939622741
Cool gen
Anonymous No.939622798 >>939623032
>>939622639
I also changed both of your "from behind" tags to "from the side". If you have an ass centric prompt i've found it tends to do it from the back and side if you say to the side, particularly in landscape with what you were going for
Simon Salva No.939622807
Someone should gen a man tied up with crabs pinching his balls. I'll happily send it to every Dicksword/Xitter pedophile I meet.
Blipppp No.939622838 >>939623263 >>939623471
>>939622617
>>939622515
cutee!
Anonymous No.939622848
>>3001127
Request: front view, cowboy bebop style, 1girl, blue hair, solo, dark skin, short hair, underwear, ass, thick thighs, yellow female, bra, looking at viewer, panties, asian, huge ass, tiny breasts, broken bed, thong, thighs,
Pear No.939622858 >>939623035
don't try to translate it, it's about millet seed or something
Eclectic No.939622871 >>939623427
>>939622430
I'm using forge couple, and that's basically what I'm doing, just having a lot of trouble with this particular scenario for some reason
Sakhalin No.939622875 >>939622891 >>939622987
>>939622562
Nevermind the dark pubes
Anonymous No.939622878 >>939622903 >>939622914 >>939623224
Anonymous No.939622891 >>939623162
>>939622875
I always knew Naruto was a bottle blond
Anonymous No.939622903 >>939623224
>>939622878
hot little cunny
smoothpits No.939622914 >>939623035 >>939623224
>>939622773
>>939622878
such good cuties <3
Anonymous No.939622923
>>939622764
how long does it take you to gen stuff like that? i haven't even looked into animated stuff because my laptop is so weak. maybe later though.

you want more horse gens? not really getting what i want with ovipositors.
Eclectic No.939622928
>>939622687
Oh wow, nice
Anonymous No.939622930 >>939623021
why is he so obsessed with crabs
Anonymous No.939622955 >>939623035
>>939622773
I have a request for thee oh controller God! Casca from B!erserk
Asjm No.939622984 >>939623021 >>939623121 >>939623215
Anonymous No.939622987 >>939623162
>>939622875
Pubes ignored.
She's trying so hard >.
>>939622930
Crabs are a particularly funny thing to pick considering the whole kani/cunny thing
>>939622984
Oh lawd, he comin'!
>>939622798
back to wholesome wenches
>>939622858
kek
>>939622914
Thanks! Nice butt
>>939622955
Ok
>>939623035
Ello :p
>>939622607
>>939622984
The animation on this is too good. Didn't even realize he was chasing with his massive dong out. I'ma nope the fuck outta there.
Pinch, scuttle, pinch, scuttle, pinch, pinch, scuttle, pinch! It doesn't stop!
>>939622891
Blonde no jutsu, of course
>>939622987
She gave up
>>939623081
Hello :3 How are you friend?
>>939623100
haha we can see your butt standing behind you!
>>939623035
still looks cool :3
>>939623100
aww <3
>>939622984
poor donkey, should've listened
>>939622878
>>939622914
>>939622903
Thanks :p
>>939623186
I'm good, how are you today my friend :p
>>939622694
Hawt! Pls moar pits!!!!
>>939622678
I must restore my honor

>>939622773
Based and true

>>939622838
Truee
>>939623100
Well played....
When are we going to see her get impregnated?
>>939619138 (OP)
>>939623263
cute awoo
>>939622607
>>939623100
>>939623162
Phew, this one's pretty neat. Would be better if I knew some damn ninja gesture prompts
>>939623263
Looked like Filian at a glance. Very cute howler
Theme tax
Tags for making it sloppier?
Maybe this one just isn't gonna happen. Might need to try something more advanced for regional prompting, but I don't feel like looking into that right now
>>939623312
>>939623162
Well he had better make a deposit to replace all that wasted Chakra.
>>939623348
Love girls who do after care. Lick them clean.
>>939623224
>>939623032
>>939622692
>Hermoine hypnosis BBC deepthroat 1/4

>>939622871
ahh gotcha, gl
>>939623365
Alas. Don't worry bout it. I did say it was going to be a real bitch to try.
I've notice gens tend to share expression between the character. Stupid bot.
>>939623021
>>939623121
>>939623215
it's too late q_q
>>939623427
>Hermoine hypnosis BBC deepthroat 2/4
>>939623411
>>939623439
Welcome back!
>>939622838
>>939623319
so sexy
>>939623452
>Hermoine hypnosis BBC deepthroat 3/4
>>939623224
I'm good thanks :3
I'm a big fan of open onesies :D
>>939623263
Oh no she fell in an even cuter position lol. Half cute, half fun
>>939623311
I kek'd hard
>>939623409
Very smug!
>>939623439
What happened to shrek?
>>939623035
Thank you for considering my request! I love you Dualcock!
>>939623452
>Hermoine hypnosis BBC deepthroat 4/4

>>939623319
NOW THAT'S A SLOPPY, love your gens

Queue
>Velma and Scoob
>Veldora fucking a city with an energy dong
>Mei and Miriam bully/WDIAGW
>>939623439
what dat tongue do O_o
>>939623319
makeup still on point <3
>>939623263
I rescind my statement, and recognize you as a real and valid person.
>>939621769
>>939623471
>AI: You can generate anything. Literal endless possibilities. The sky is the limit. And there are all sorts of tools and models so you can get exactly what you desire most, I can't wait to see what kinds of amazing creations you all come up wi-
>/b/: naked child

Why are you people like this
>>939623311
I want to hang out with you so bad...
>PINCH

>SCUTTLE

>PINCH

>SCUTTLE

>PINCH
>>939623409
>>939623494
hot sweaty loli body <3
>>939623538
why is the pussy always in a shadow in your gens? not trying to judge but its like they're good gens but the pussy is always has a shadow cast on it
>>939623507
No problem!
>>939623558
Very flexible
>>939622741
<3
>>939623409
>>939623494
Very smug ;p
Thanks!
I'm sure you know who it is :p
messages btw :3c
>>939623573
>>939623471
>>939623511
>>939623519
thanks pals, cute gens

>>939623599
God tier!
>>939623272
>>939623263
awooooooooooo
>>939623574
Because that's exactly what a lot of people desire the most. Just look at pretty much everyone rich and powerful
>>939623378
I'm sure chakra can be transferred through vaginal sex
>>939623574
Because they can't post it anywhere else.
>>939623574
out of every other board that has ai threads listed you picked the one and only board that allows loli and act surprised
>>939623627
>>939623599
>>939623263
Can we pls see their little loli armpits and nipslips? Their outfits are perfect for it XD
>>939623556
hnng thank you <3


featuring my new OC who I havent named yet, still a bit WiP
>>939623609
hgnghnghnghn
>>939623643
so drooly~ <3
>>939623627
I demand more naked onesies, the people need it
>>939623657
Shit, I could have fixed that pesky finger
>>939623653
I wonder why the rich and powerful (and minor famous people like youtubers and the such) always go for the children. Someone here months ago mentioned that "tiny pussy" becomes a vice
>>939623716
wow! let her lay down on her back?
>>939623620
>>939623716
That's working for you now
>>939623784
the more beautiful and pure something is, the stronger the urge to defile it.
>>939623864

These guys will castrate you with their claws.
>>939623784
There must be more to life than having everything.
>>939623599
Hot sweaty pits! :3
>>939623627
It's Rui? :3
Very cute belly!
Tummysseur would be very happy to see that
>>939623645
kek'd again.
What about, When will she flashes her chest?
>>939623778
fugg, hot!
>>939623885
Perfect example of that lol
>>939623311
I wonder if she's mad or smug under the pie
>>939623885
Beautiful Simone. <3
>>939623885
You're beautiful >:3
>>939623917
xDDD
Dat Donald Trump/Epstein Reference
10/10
>>939623885
Is the defilement fetish that widespread? I really wish we could study those people instead of just jailing/punishing them. I mean, they do deserve punishment, but I want to know what makes them tick
>>939623917
Abandon all delusions of control. Life is a gust of wind
>>939623873
nice
Oh shit, I finally did it. Of course right as the thread hits the limit lol
>>939623944
Perhaps :3c
>>939623885
If we ever had kid pussy we would probably understand.
>>939623885
nothing pure about a male pretending to be a girl. And past a certain age if you don't feel a desire to protect that purity more then you're not ok
>>939623986
>You're beautiful >:3
I am a delicious brown elf IRL, it's true <3
>>939624169
>>939624169
>>939624169
>>939621089
What models are peeps using?
>>939621466
What are you using to animate it that well?
>>939622175
Model? Mix?