Thread 940970930

>>940970930 (OP)
I unironically agree.

>>940970930 (OP)
I bet you cant name 3 of their albums

>>940970930 (OP)
>>940971108
You're just being ironic. This is a bait thread.

>>940971315
I used to be ironic, but it's become comically clear that our entire economy is fake and meaningless and the richest among us are the biggest retards.

>>940971445
ummm based???

when not the leaders get narzists
i think it is a problem of all rulers

>>940970930 (OP)
You are an idiot, actually....

Older guys, you always know how to make me smile.
...

>>940970930 (OP)
Communism is fundamentally evil. It's literally based on theft. It's a weird kike philosophy where the weak and undeserving get shit from the strong and competent. And since it's a cult dogma, the cultists who believe it will literally kill for it, starve people because PLANTS NEED TO BE COMMUNIST TOO, and it always results in little tinpot dictators running it, because you need a strong man to steal shit from everyone to redistribute it (and keep most for themselves).

And it concentrates power into the hands of idiots who have no grasp on reality.

The only "good" thing about communism is it forces all the women to be "free use" whores. Which of course backfires and becomes hypergamy because commies do not get reality.

>>940970930 (OP)
No.

>>940970930 (OP)
The original Christian one, the Marxist or the Leninist?

>>940971108
based

>>940976659
Yes

>>940974552
>It's literally based on theft.
the basis of capitalism is also theft.

Which of the like 5 wildly different "communisms" are we enjoying here?

German-Russian-Euro traditional?
Wacky African Dictator?
Chinese no-we-totally-swear-this-is-totally-communism?
Wacky Latin American Dictator?
Mythical unicorn communism dreamt up in a liberal democratic capitalist country?

>>940970930 (OP)
start a commie commune with your BFFs and see how fast it goes to shit.
> inb4 its not the same
Yes it is, the only difference is scale and the amount of people you'd doom into your hellish swamp.

>>940980153
Nope, two people coming together to exchange things is the opposite of theft.

>>940981449
I'd look like this without the enslavement of blue collars who build and maintain everything, including the boundaries necessary to nurture things and people.

https://youtu.be/79cGDjTqBtc?si=cbNwukyrVjtrfWkO

Sweet on the outside, wild underneath... intrigued?
..

I have the most based and real take for you.

Communism itself, on paper is actually perfect. However, it literally can never and will never work because two key fundamental, universal law.
Humans are evil, power corrupts.
You can look at it from a christian point of view or not, human nature is to do wrong, we must ourselves try to do good.
Communism acts under the basis that everyone will do their part, and those in charge will distribute evenly. Both parts fail in every communist society that has been attempted. If you don't reap rewards direct from your work, why work as hard? If I own everything my people work for, and they have no way to fight back. Why give them more then they need to survive?

>>940976736
The christian one, of course. Marx and Lenin were right-wing authoritarian deviations from communism. Fuck tankies.

>>940984689
>Marx and Lenin were right-wing

>>940984824
Seethe tankie.

>>940970930 (OP)
List of communist inventions:

- Famine
- Tetris

>>940970930 (OP)
No, it's not.
Tomorrow marks the 65th anniversary of the assassination of Inejiro Asanuma, the leader of the Japanese communist movement, by 17-year-old Otoya Yamaguchi, who was a hero to his country.
Never let evil take root.

>>940983292
>human nature is to do wrong
False.

>>940974552
>i know nothing about communism but i will talk like i'm an expert

>>940984996
You forgot Lada.

>>940970930 (OP)
Communism has two very basic core tenets that even the best-tried plans have failed to accomplish.
One of them is that communism requires the actual hand-over of an authoritarian government that has "achieved communism" to the people it serves, and no government has ever voluntarily given power back to the people. Ergo, communism ends up being a centrally planned authoritarian shithole where the planners don't know what the people need and there's a wide-ranging systemic mismanagement of labor and resources. The government also tends to help themselves to the fruits of the people's labor, because why not?
Second is there is always a shortfall in labor participation or in goods that are demanded, and so people always go without. 12 hour work days are also mandatory, something the pinkos in the western countries don't seem to realize. Show up drunk too many times and they'll have you picking tree bark in Siberia.

>>940984996
>Tetris
A private individual did that, but commie state took it for themselves.

>>940986024
Ladas are just licensed copies of Fiat automobiles A Russian fix-it-again-Tony

>>940984996
mobile phones

>>940970930 (OP)
Fuck the rich. We should redistribute the wealth. Not in some fucked up Stalinist USSR kind of way, but rather via a Nordic style social democracy. A mixture of free enterprise with wealth taxes providing universal healthcare, childcare, pensions, free college and affordable housing. Workers would work 4 days a week and get six weeks of paid vacation a year. America is a fucking joke.

>>940986650
We prefer to be thought of as temporarily embarrassed millionaires, anon.

>>940986142
Based GarbageTime enjoyer.

reminder that everything bad that has happened to you is because someone wanted to make some money out of it

>>940986650
>America is a fucking joke.
The heights one can reach is directly equal to the lows we allow ourselves to risk. It's practically a law of physics.

I'm saying this as a Canadian btw. All ambitious Canadian flee to the US.

>>940986955
Nothing wrong with working hard and enjoying the results. However, most of the filthy rich started out already rich.

>>940981499
> People coming together to make something is not theft
> Together

You described communism, idiot.
Capitalism does not share, especially not in the work place. I suggest you actually take a look at Marx' word Kapital. His analisys and critique on capitalism, though nowadays a bit dated, is pretty much spot on. You dont even need to get into the communist manifesto for that

All the social safety nets in place in developed capitalist societies have been socialist policies.
They are still capitalist societies but they would not function if not for those social programs to keep the entire thing atleast somewhat balanced.

And I would agree that socialism isnt communism, however every communist is a socialist too.

>>940987418
>to make
I said exchange. You can claim that in a meta-way it could mean "make", but that would not make it communism. Every people ever came together to make things.

>>940986865
The definition of communism.

>>940970930 (OP)
true
If boomers and retards hate it then it must be good

>>940987494
>communism is good actually
communism is a great idea in theory, but the implementation of it in the real world has led to some pretty terrible results, such as the soviet union or maoist china.

>>940987641
Not a single thing USSR or China did were worse than what America was doing around that time.

>>940987641
nobody from these so called "communist regimes" has ever attempted to implement it. it was used as a fairytale by capitalists to gain totalitarian power

>people own the means of production, comrade
>well, technically you vote for your representatives who own them on your behalf
>and more precisely those elected representatives vote for the party that owns them
>and the party is ruled by one man who actually owns them
>b-but it's still the "peoples" democracy we swear!
What did tankies mean by this?

>>940986650
The problem is only a small number of people actually create value and labor is inherently worthless, how do you work around that?
You want to penalize the people moving us forward because they have the gall to create something using the labor of people who agreed to be paid for it?

>>940987757
They weren't capitalists, they were power tripping authoritarians. Capitalism doesn't have a centrally planned economy, communism has the state decide what goes where, what people do, and what people get in return.

Taiwan was never part of China and the Uyghur people are being genocided. Thanks for coming to my Ted talk.

>>940988129
>only a small number of people actually create value
>and labor is inherently worthless
Where the fuck does the value comes from if not from labor, idiot?

>>940988158
>Capitalism doesn't have a centrally planned economy
it does. it's called government

>>940988158
>Capitalism doesn't have a centrally planned economy
Bailouts.
>power tripping authoritarians
That's capitalists to a T.
>the state decide what goes where, what people do, and what people get in return.
That's also capitalism..

>>940988552
innovation, you can put 100 million laborers in a room and if a single one of them can't figure out what the fuck to do they're all just going to sit there getting paid. It's basically what "engineers" do in China when they're not sweeping floors.

>>940988574
Capitalism is by definition market-based, if it were a centrally planned command economy, it wouldn't be capitalism.
>>940988589
You're describing Cronyism which is default behavior in communist governments.

>>940988873
>if it were a centrally planned command economy, it wouldn't be capitalism.
too bad that you can't admit the same when comparing "communist" regimes to communism

>>940988873
>Cronyism
Ah yes, the "that's not a real capitalism" buzzword, along with corporatism.

>>940988845
>innovation
That so? Then why do capitalists live off the slave labor done by blue-collar workers instead of all those "innovations"? If the labor has no value, why does anyone work for a wage, and why do the capitalist go to such length to incentivize the sheep into doing as much labor as possible for as low pay as possible and hate it when they don't? If labor has no value why do capitalists fear strikes and any instance of the labor they profit off not being done?

>>940970930 (OP)
Then why did it fail?

>>940987418
Since when has 4chin been infected with this level of retardation.
>misunderstand what the other person is saying
>argue for your life against that misunderstanding
>im_le_right.jpg

>>940980153
No, that’s the agreed exchange of marks of currency weighed against its worth on gold for a good or service. You fucking retard.

>>940974552
This.
Communism is just forcing people who put effort into life to give their earnings to lazy fatasses.

>>940986650
Someone’s in their first year of uni alright lol

>>940989444
>do a job worth 1000$ per hour
>your boss takes 900$ of it and says it's "fair"

>>940989297
labor has no value because the labor market is saturated. Over the past 70 years capitalist countries have developed systems to reduce the requirements of labor inputs which is why there are so many workers compared to jobs and why labor is worth a lot less than it used to be.
This is why unions have no bargaining power anymore, and the only reason companies bargain in good faith with unions at all is because union members buy their products.
It costs less money to placate the striking workers than to pack up a factory and move it somewhere else.
You've seen what happens, I'm sure you're not blind.

>>940987684
Yes of course because the Great Leap Forward was nothing at all. “M-m-m-merica did the same!!!1!!1!”

Fucking commies, man.

>>940987757
I thought you people stopped doing the thing years ago.

But look at you, go ahead Bart, say the line.

>>940989602
once again, to every retard out there, for communism to exist two things have to ABSOLUTELY be true:
1. no money
2. no leaders
if these two requirements aren't satisfied, you can NOT talk about communism and no amount of memetarding will change that

>>940989522
You're confusing labor value with the wage rate. The labor's value isn't defined by a wage the capitalist agrees to pay for it. Two capitalist can pay different wages for the same labor. The unions are being cracked down on using wages as a leverage, not the labor value. If two workers desperate for a pay are asked to do 1000$ work for 100$ and one of them folds and agrees that worker is still doing 1000$ worth labor regardless of how much the capitalist actually pays them for it, if at all.

>>940989766
They go hand-in-hand. Our factories aren't staffed by specialists and high skilled tradesmen anymore, they're staffed by temps and robots. I did electrical for a place that put in a whole new line of welding robots, they bring in 4 temps and these 4 temps push 8 buttons, that's their job. Even Shaniqua with her 4 inch long nails can fucking do it. She makes $10 an hour, the state's minimum wage. They replaced welders working 12h shifts with robots working 24h shifts.

>>940989828
If shipping costs were lower, and these parts were smaller, they'd make them in China for half as much. The only thing keeping domestic manufacturing going is the price of a shipping container to Guangdong

>>940989828
They do go hand-in-hand, but they're not defined by each other.
Outsourcing labor for cheaper or replacing it with automation doesn't erase the value of that labor, otherwise capitalists wouldn't go to such lengths to have said labor be done in the first place and would just close the whole thing. No they still need that labor done, just at the cheapest wage possible, none at all preferably, but not because it has little or no value in itself but only because the capitalist gets richer by paying less. It's plays into their hands to convince the workers that their wages are small only because the value of their labor is small and therefore fair is fair, but that's just yet another lie. Imagine that, capitalists lie all the time. To take the narrative that wages reflect the labor value for granted is to buy into fiction that capitalism is fair and just and no exploitation occurs under it in any notable scale.

>>940981499
trade is not capitalism
crazy you defend an ism that you dont even understand slightly

>>940990555
what did you expect?
nice trips btw

>>940990159
Communism is a massive slave plantation where the politburo hold the whips. It's literally no different than slavery with the government as the slave master. He tells you to work, you work. He feeds you, gives you some place to sleep.
Pointing out all the flaws in capitalism doesn't make communism less shit.

>>940989761
you generally have to also include
3. a material overabundance supplies by advanced future technology
otherwise big Cs have to admit only anarchists have ever tried communism and they fuckin hate anarchism even .ore than capitalists hate anarchism

>>940970930 (OP)
Can't trust the governments we have now, and you want to give one totally unchecked power over you and all of your fellow citizens? Retarded.

Communism is slavery for the sake of enslavement.
A life born into nothing, gaining nothing except the survival minimum, and dying with nothing is the life of a slave.
The easiest slave to control is the one where he believes he is not.

>>940990812
You got that right.

>>940990812
>The easiest slave to control is the one where he believes he is not.
nothing itt has screamed capitalism as much as this

>>940990697
this has nothing to do with a political system and you're just strawmanning

>>940990901
im saying only anarchists have tried communism

>>940989761
Communism is impossible to implement, and what we've been seeing so far are authoritarian fascist shit hat governments with centrally planned economies playing pretend.

>>940991010
only monastic orders have tried communism.

>>940991030
pretty sure monasteries were granted their land by the church and funded by tithes

>>940991010
the only anarchists who tried it were in Spain and they were doing so well that the government (read: capitalists) had to intervene with military before things got out of control

>>940991166
the USSR also helped with destroying the anarchists.....
the same as the last time a strong anarchist force was protecting them from being counter-revolutioned by the white army.

>>940991232
USSR always hated communism

>>940991308
>USSR always hated communism
Dumbest shit I’ve seen all morning, congrats.

Bakunin > Marx

>>940991333
name one communist thing the USSR ever did

>>940991333
Stalin was as much a fascist as Mussolini and Hitler

>>940991381
Hitler > all those faggots

>>940991431
Hitler's socioeconomic theory was literally just Mussolini's

>>940991419
Ummmm implemented a control economy. Destroyed traditional social structures including religion. Seized land and property from the owners.

>>940991419
The USSR killed more communists than we could ever dream of killing

>>940991871
True.

>>940990687
What you described is capitalism. Anytime anti-communist describe the evils of communism, they always talk about capitalism.

>>940992095
But what he described was communism. As in the USSR.
>Inb4 real communism hasn’t been tried yet

>>940992124
>a massive slave plantation where the politburo hold the whips. It's literally no different than slavery with the government as the slave master. He tells you to work, you work. He feeds you, gives you some place to sleep.
That's capitalism, dawg.

>>940992202
No, that’s communism. Under capitalism the worker is free to leave.

>>940992350
It's not free if without work they're denied access to food, housing etc... That's slavery.

>>940992397
No, that’s communism. Under capitalism, you can go get another job.

>>940992574
Same is true for communism..

>>940992674
Nope, under communism you’re a slave who must carry out the duties imposed by the state.

>>940970930 (OP)

No, communism is not good. SOME communist principles are good. SOME capitalist principles are good. What we have done in society is suppress any communistic principles to the point of giving billionaires ultimate power over their slave population.

>>940992774
>people under communism can't switch jobs
Retard. Capitalism is wage slavery. Communism is based. Seethe and cope bootlicker.

>>940993223
Capitalism means you might have to work to earn a wage. Communism is slavery where you have to work but still starve. Nothing based about slavery or starvation you soft dumb homosexual. Grow up.

>>940993241
>huuur everything bad about capitalism is akshually communism
>duuur everything good about communism is akshually capitalism
(You)

>>940993301
Wow it’s almost like capitalism is a better system than communism. Who would have though? (Everyone, pretty much everyone)

>>940992397
LEt me tell you what happens to you if you don't work under communism, they send you to Siberia and hand you a pickaxe, or you get to take the pickaxe from the guy who died before you who also refused to work.
Also, if you're very very lucky you'll even get to eat.

>>940970930 (OP)
based

>>940971108
based

>>940993301
Read The Gulag Archipelago, it's REQUIRED READING in Russian high schools, read it and see if you still like Communism.

>>940993941
Slavery isn’t based you silly homosexual.

>>940993949
Amazing book btw, unpleasant to read but extremely interesting.

>>940970930 (OP)
If by good you mean bad, then yes, it is good

>>940994089
10/10 book. I think only the Aquariums of Pyongyang was more depraved

>>940994457
I like that book too but it didn’t contain the deep spiritual and philosophical messages of the archipelago.

>>940989477
It wants to transform society into an anthill, it's purpose it to create the perfect slave class: a people who have no family but the "collective" who slave away for the good of the "colony".

>>940970930 (OP)
The labour theory of value, which is the starting point of communism, has been debunked for well over a century.

>>940970930 (OP)
...has killed over 100 million of their own citizens, actually. When are you moving to Venezuela, pedo?

>>940994800
The only place communism works is in societies like small hunter gatherer tribes. And that's because if you're a worthless piece of shit that doesn't contribute, the tribe just kills you or kicks your ass out to starve in the wilderness.

>>940989433
Youre literally taking it out of context even more than the anon youre replying to just to prove your right.

>>940994968
>>940995049
Imagine communist USA, it would be 100 millions in 10 days.

>>940992807
Your hero.

>>940995136
When the government tries to disarm the population, like all communist governments do.

>>940995230
A quote from Mao. Note that he disarmed the population of China when he took power.

>>940970930 (OP)
It's not.

It's a utopian dream that will never come true.

There are some good ideas in it but the whole thing is unworkable.

The reason why is simple.

>>940970930 (OP)
no

If you are such a pussyfooter that you need to take control of the state to abolish it, instead of just abolishing it, then the objective of Marxism has failed.

communism is one of the most destructive ideologies in human history.

>>940971445
based. Fuck all capitalist scum. They need to be hanged, drawn and quartered in public.

Free the working class. Take their wealth and collectivize the means of production.

>>941001522
one of them, yes. Right behind US economic sanctions to foment regime change

>>940998652
Is the reason human greed and laziness?

>>940970930 (OP)
logfag thread

enrage the fat trumpshit

>>940970930 (OP)
And I'm the Pope

>>940971108
Comrade!

>>940984824
definitely mental retardation

>>940970930 (OP)
>be femanon
>get BBC center appointment slip in the mail
>mom congratulates me
>dad cries in the corner
>“you’re doing it for equality, sweetie”
>doorbell rings
>BBC truck outside
Yes

>>941006961
Communism is the most efficient system that is possible to run. It is the system that requires the least amount of work to get the most amount of work done. This is why it is the perfect system for a machine, but not for a living thing like a human.

Are there any identifiable anti-communist arguments actually in this thread or is it just a bunch of autistic screeching?

>>941007895
the only thing i agree with you on is that communism isn't inherently good or bad. it's a political philosophy. like all political philosophies, it can be implemented poorly or well

>>941010663
It's more of economic, social, and historical body of theory than a philosophy. Unless you consider science also a philosophy then I guess.

>>940970930 (OP)
ummm based?