Thread 941087053

Will Christianity ever be like Islam again or has that ship sailed for good? Even the most hardcore Christian "extremists" today are fucking pussies compared to the Christians from the old days. And they all subscribe to Enlightenment Era ideas. Separation of church and state. Not telling people how to live their lives.

>>941087053 (OP)
>again
islam was and is a fucking disgrace.

>>941087053 (OP)
I would say the ship sailed for good after the reformation. Islam will probably never see a reformation because its religious doctrines are very much built on a religious governmental system. Christianity had a governmental system for a time, but wasn't primary built on it like Islam is. The teaching of Christ did not correspond with the governing body of the dark ages unlike Islam who's leader (Muhamad) straightly advocated for his governing body and conquest through Islam.

>>941087053 (OP)
>Separation of church and state. Not telling people how to live their lives.
if that ever changes, it'll be time to truly awaken the ancestral viking spirits and fight for freedom again.

>>941087053 (OP)
No, thats why Islam was created.
And when it too becomes pacified another prophet will appear who is the last one, for real this time!

>>941087088
OK!

>>941087053 (OP)
Don't tell this to the Mongols. They remember Islam's golden age alright.

>>941087053 (OP)
Probably. America is about 70% of the way down that slope already. Other places may follow depending on what that ends up looking like. Realistically I doubt there will be public executions over it because that's a bit overly dramatic for modern governments, but I can certainly see religious social standards becoming law and people being arrested for breaking them. There's a great deal of public support for that

>>941087053 (OP)
fun fact:
The term Christofascism was coined before Islamofascism was, and indeed was a conscious throwback to the earlier term.

>>941091854
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>>941087868
Agreed.

Considering there wasn't really a reformation for Orthodox Christians, I imagine that had the Byzantine empire endured longer/kept a wider sphere of influence things might have been different. Roman/Byzantine emperors also chose the religious heads, but they weren't themselves pseudo religious authorities like the caliphs (to my knowledge).

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>>941087053 (OP)
up

>>941087053 (OP)
Depends if dominican sect of the faith takes control which is much different than the current priests one example they didn't have mass in english but rather completely in latin

>>941087053 (OP)
Islam and Christianity are not authentic, organic belief systems. They were designed. They are weaponized forms of thought control meant to utilize livestock toward particular ends.

Enlightenment systems were also designed, for new times, incorporating new knowledge, and fixing the mistakes of the older systems. So you're not going to see the elites roll back to those older systems. Instead you will see Islam slowly deconstructed and replaced, like Christianity.

There are almost no organic belief systems remaining. Closest thing I have seen was 4chan prior to it being taken over.

>>941098056
woah hold up this is a little misleading
christianity and islam are organic but the hierarchy structures are not because it was adopted by corrupted governments to control the masses

>>941098492
Disagree.

What I am saying is that a group of Jewish elites literally designed Christianity from a template, using beliefs, practices, rituals, values, etc that had been part of various other religions for thousands of years. They selected its attributes based on their desire to infiltrate and undermine Western Civilization.

For example, the Greeks and Romans reviled Jews, and their views were organic. They were based on observation. After Christianity was unleashed, with its focus on Jews being a holy people, that organic view no longer predominates in Western Civilization and they were thereby able to successfully infiltrate us, leading to the situation we're in now.

Islam is no different. They're both rigid, designed, top-down systems that can ONLY spread through indoctrination.

>>941098963
i just said the hierarchy structure isn't organic such as priests etc but the monotheistic belief is organic when moses came it fucked up

>>941099110
Moses was Jewish, not Christian.

Christianity was designed in the 1st century AD as a weapon to destroy/infiltrate/conquer the West. It was successful. Buddhism is the same thing in the East.

Judaism, too, was a designed religion. They made it in the 6th century BC after coming back from Babylon. Yahwism was an authentic religion.

>>941099265
that's if you believed paul wrote all the teachings how they were intended. take into consideration paul was a roman and the bible was written years after jesus death.

>>941099450
Saul was an elite Jewish Pharisee, regardless of his citizenship. But I'm not talking about Pauline Christianity. What I'm saying is that the Jews, who hated Rome, designed Christianity from the ground up as a psychological weapon and then deployed it by disseminating it through teachers.

You can argue about who those teachers were, whether Paul really existed, which of them were in on it, who the designers were, etc, but it's all beside the point.

Christianity is not the result of truth-seekers applying trial-and-error over centuries to forge a collection of timeless truths. It's a basket of beliefs, values, and practices selected for the purpose of re-engineering society from the ground up, spread through deliberate subversion, and then imposed on generations of helpless children by their similarly-indoctrinated parents.

>>941098056
>They are weaponized forms of thought control meant to utilize livestock toward particular ends.

What religion isn't?

its not Christianity was exactly the opposite of a conspiracy to control the masses thats why the entire system of christianity is to serve and not be the ones in control anyone who reads scripture understands the Jesus the teacher in the 1st century fufilled prophecy and fought against pharisees and romans to implement a system that desired human connection then vanity of taking and conquering nothing physical matters everyone will die and be forgotten except those who focus on the heavenly kingdom. anyone who denies the early authors and Jesus as an historical figure is anti history and is a classic athiest pagan disease follower

>>941100358
There were times in the past when collections of beliefs held by groups (that would be called religion today) were organic and authentic. I mean that they could change by incorporating new/better information, there was no dogma, no implicit or explicit threat to nonbelievers, but that they still occupied a role in relation to believers that dogmatic religions occupt today. The "pagan" beliefs of various unconquered free peoples. The systems that exist now are simulacra, wielder as weapons by psychotic elites that view us as livestock. But the shards of authentic belief can still be collected from myth or folk wisdom.

4chan was the only place I ever knew where this stuff could be discussed openly, before they shut it down. The only place where there were still scraps of authentic wisdom to be found.

>>941087053 (OP)
I have a conspiracy that the American elite is ready to push an American Church (heresy) that is much more extreme and on par with Islam.
They're just waiting for social order to collapse enough either through a world war or civil war, just something that they can use to justify the violent transition into the new Christian belief.

>>941100586
>thats why the entire system of christianity is to serve and not be the ones in control

To serve/be controlled by who?
Follow-up question: according to who?

>>941100667
>organic and authentic.

That doesn't disqualify them from being "weaponized forms of thought control meant to utilize livestock toward particular ends".

>I mean that they could change by incorporating new/better information, there was no dogma, no implicit or explicit threat to nonbelievers,

See above. also, adding dogma and threats is incorporating new/better(?) info

>>941099744
im saying it's highly likely the teaching of jesus is radically different than what's in the bible

>>941101816
I also enjoyed fall: dodge in hell by neal Stephenson

>>941087053 (OP)
Fuck you and your stupid faggot made up God you fat fuck

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>>941104019
Implying Christians don't?
At least the altar boys do

>>941103973
I was attempting to draw a distinction between belief systems that arise within groups, based on trial-and-error, subject to change, subject to observation and reason, free from coercion, and belief systems that are imposed on groups from external sources, that are not subject to change, observation, or reason, and that are spread through coercion and deception.

Both sorts could be called "religions". I'm saying that the first sort is authentic religion. The latter sort is inauthentic. The tenets/practices of the latter sort are not calculated to conform to what is true; they're calculated to conform to what is useful for the elites. There's a categorical difference between these two styles of religion, and Christianity is of the latter type.

>>941087088
denounce the talmud now, jew

>>941087053 (OP)
Jews are destroying Islam now that they're done with Christianity. The only hardcore religious extremists that matter will bring Bronze Age Law back

>>941088082
>Separation of church and state
That concept was one way, not two way. It was only that the government has no place directing the church.

>>941107201
Incorrect, though a predictable error/lie from your kind

>>941104555
The distinction you're actually making is religion prior to the invention of philosophy/science and religion after.

And or, how a religion starts vs how it spreads. While being very charitable on the former

>>941109536
Your position seems to assume that all religion begins organically, then gets formalized/organized and abused. But that's just completely false. There are plenty examples of religion that never became dogmatic or spread through coercion/zealotry, and there are plenty of examples of religions that were inarguably designed by an individual or small group, like Mormonism. Christianity is of the latter sort. It was made up by a small elite and spread through subversion and coercion for political gain.

>>941087053 (OP)
Old christians were all poisoned by ergot and literally insane. Really messed up everything because they hads bad trips and they invented Satan and Hell, which opened the doors to torture people to "save" them.

>>941110364
Try the first part of my reply then.

You're full of shit btw

>>941112573
The "distinction" between magic, religion, science, and philosophy is arbitrary, modern, and political. You're just mad that your entire worldview is a Jewish plot.

>>941113043
Wrong on both counts

>>941113262
Some citations, not because I think you can be reasoned with:

(1915) Alan H. Gardiner - Some Personifications: I. Hike, The God of Magic

Proceedings of the Society of Biblical Archaeology 37, Page 262

That Magic should have been regarded as the attribute of a deity, and a fortiori as itself a deity, destroys at one blow the theories of those who discern a fundamental distinction between what is religious and what is magical.

(1993) Martin Stol - Epilepsy in Babylonia

Page 3

Returning now to the "prehistory" of epilepsy, we will present the treatment of epilepsy as practised by the Babylonians and Assyrians, the subject-matter of this book. We base ourselves on the clay tablets used by them as writing material, inscribed with their cuneiform scripts. Their experts in medicine were primarily theologians and ritualists, something like "exorcists", because at that time medicine and magic were one and no distinction between religion and magic can be seen.

(1993) Robert Kriech Ritner - The Mechanics of Ancient Egyptian Magical Practice

Page 28

The undisputed prominence of Heka/heka within orthodox Egyptian theology necessarily provokes skepticism about the supposed incompatibility of "religion" and "magic."

(2018) Christian H. Bull - The Tradition of Hermes Trismegistus: The Egyptian Priestly Figure as a Teacher of Hellenized Wisdom

Page 57

Robert K. Ritner has expertly demonstrated that in Egyptian tradition, the distinction between magic and religion was non-existent: the ritual experts of the temples wielded magical power, heka, and used it in temple, royal, and private contexts.

>>941113555
Yep yep, I called it here >>941109536 it's the part you ignored

"The distinction you're actually making is religion prior to the invention of philosophy/science and religion after"

Go ahead and try again. Lemme know if you need the point dumbed down for you.