Thread 941094978

Particularly if it happens repeatedly.

The prevailing social convention in the west and particularly the United States is that if a retail business is slow getting you your food, or sells you a faulty product, or refuses a refund when you're clearly owed one, that it's never appropriate to confront an individual employee of that company; that it is rude and uncouth to blame or berate them, because they're just doing their job, and that the better course of action is to file a complaint after the fact through "appropriate" channels, usually in writing.
"We wasted your time/money; please go online and waste more time navigating our customer service web portal to rectify the situation." This is nonsense.

Relying on you to be a good boy and not complain or make a scene when the company and its employees screw up and inconvenience you is part of how companies operate. It's part of their business model.
They rely on diffuse accountability in order to get away with underperforming and not fulfilling their end of their contract with you.
Think about how many times a day this happens. Think about how many customers is likely costs time and money over the course of a week, a month, or a year.

You, as a customer, do not have any responsibility to be magnanimous or forgiving toward an organization that wastes your time and money. The employee in front of you isn't some innocent bystander; they are benefitting from being there, to the tune of a paycheck.
And when they fuck up or misplace your order, waste your time, or are otherwise rude or unpleasant to you, what is actually happening is that they are taking money out of your pocket and putting it into their own.

Don't let corporate behemoths bluff you out of making them uphold their end of the agreement agreement they made with you. They and their employees are one and the same, and you should treat them as such whenever it is warranted.

bamp

>>941094978 (OP)

this is what the employees think of you while you are there and after you leave. shutup stupid bitch

Bumps

>>941095825

I just bumped your thread you retarded nigger. goddamn you fucking dumb

>>941094978 (OP)
picrel
and entitled

>>941095757

That's the idea actually.
If you hold underperforming employees to account for screwing up and wasting your time, and you're the only mistake they made that day, then rightfully so, they will give you the finger and feel self-righteous that they otherwise did well that day.
But if you're one of ten or fifteen people whose experience they fucked up, they're stuck trying to give the middle finger to a dozen people when they only have two hands, and they're not going to feel good at all.
As long as they continue to fuck up their job at a consistent clip, they're made to pay for doing a shitty job.

>>941096060

McDonald's is just an example of a high frequency of shitty customer service.
I don't eat fast food.

>>941096181

Employee, manager, doesn't really make a difference.
The point is to rebuke franchise owners and C-suite/managerial staff for using underpaid employees as a barrier to prevent being held accountable for breaking the contract they have with their customers.
If they think they are too well-qualified or well-paid to have to listen to the complaints, that's fine; the way to handle it is to make the work environment so shitty that employees refuse to work for them without significant pay raise and increases in quality control.

>>941096236

Ok

>>941096367
>The point is to rebuke franchise owners and C-suite/managerial staff for using underpaid employees
do you know the term "deaf ears"
stop being so childish

>>941096367
>my complaint to the fry cook is going to make it up the chain to the CEO

>>941096434

I know the term "deaf ears". It doesn't apply here and I don't think you could explain how it does.

>>941096589
>The point is to rebuke franchise owners and C-suite/managerial staff for using underpaid employees as a barrier to prevent being held accountable for breaking the contract they have with their customers.
so childish

>>941096676
but, but, but, it was a "rebuke"!

>>941096494

Fry cooks are back of the house. They don't take complaints.
Retail employees across the US have gone from uneducated but at least somewhat mature and organized people in their early 20s, to straight-up high school kids who visibly and palpably hate every minute they spend at their jobs.
Corporate entities that run retail chains in the US do this intentionally; they accept a lower standard of performance and overall behavior because they know they can get away with offering customers a lower standard by relying on customers' tendency to be quiet and polite when they're getting fucked over.
If the average person dialed this tendency back, even to a slight degree, corporate-owned retail businesses would face a labor shortage. They would have to start hiring better-qualified employees with better people skills and paying them more.

I'm just speaking facts.
It doesn't seem like you have much to say to the contrary.

>>941096676

I'm just speaking facts.
It doesn't seem like you have much to say to the contrary.

>>941096797
CEO in LA or NY:
OMG! I was rebuked by an angry customer in a fly-over state.
I'll get right on changing corporate culture ASAP!
so childish

>>941094978 (OP)
>>941096119

>>941096900

Not "a customer". A majority of customers.
But again, I'm just speaking facts.
It doesn't seem like you have much to say to the contrary.

>>941096494
>>941096676
>>941096900
>>941096717

Great to see members of the fast food lobby working overtime. Enjoy that time-and-a-half pay.

>>941096989
>A majority of customers.
is that actually happening though?
or is it just you, and angry, naïve, nobody?

>>941097046
>fast food *lobby* working overtime.
>time-and-a-half pay.
>thinks lobbyists are paid hourly
how naïve

>>941097090
>If a customer-facing employee does a bad job and wastes your time, you should chew them out.
>you should chew them out
>should chew them out
>should

It still doesn't seem like you have much to say to the contrary.

>>941097217

Schlubs like you that get assigned to shitposting on Mongolian basket-weaving forums probably do.

>>941097270
and you still haven't explained the benefits you will obtain from "chewing out" an hourly worker
will the company CEO care, or will you just piss of an hourly worker?

>>941097296
-5/10 for naïve and projection

>>941097394
*naïveté

>>941097357

If enough people participate, and enough employees are made indignant over the fact that they suck at their jobs, then eventually they will start to quit. There will be enough of a shortage that these companies will have to go back to hiring competent adults that understand they have obligations beyond the absolute minimum and a blank stare.
I'm 100% right that this would work if enough people adopted it. It's on you to demonstrate that I'm wrong if you think so.

Or you know, you could just shut the fuck up. That's always an option.

>>941097628
>If enough people participate
you already said that; seems like it's just you
>>941097090

>>941097628
>enough employees are made indignant over the fact that they suck at their jobs
hourly workers quit
show a counter-example

>>941097739

Once again, no thanks, I'm good.
I've made my case. Given that enough people could be convinced to participate, this would work in spades. If you want to try and disprove the idea in principle, go ahead.

>>941097667
>>941097739

name one successful communist society.

>>941097923
so, nothing to back up your claim?
we all know what that means
you must be new here

>>941094978 (OP)
Next time don't eat Goyslop

tdlr: You deserve it

>>941097971
irrelevant strawman
tell me about the CEO that cares if an hourly worker gets "chewed out" my a Karen

>>941097971
Venezuela

>>941098045
*by

>>941094978 (OP)
eh, I don't care. take your burger, 'sir'
have a nice day, 'sir'

>>941098024
see
>>941096168

>>941098045
>>941097628

op you really should stop responding to that faggot. he's just well-poisoning.

>>941096168
>McDonald's is just an example of a high frequency of shitty customer service.
that's why they're so unsuccessful, amirite?

>>941098120
>If enough people participate
are they?
yes or no

>>941098146

Lol, you think I give a shit? Every time he responds my thread's getting bumped. He's giving me free press.

>>941098278
>my thread's getting bumped. He's giving me free press.
>that's all that matters, not the validity of my argument

>>941098221

At any point in this thread have you seen me say
>I have started an already-successful and widespread movement to hold shitty retail employees to account for poor performance
Yes or no?

>>941098278
congrats on getting "free press"
you must be very proud

>>941098358
Not particularly. I'm not the one doing it; he is.

>>941098355
>already-successful
still waiting for that evidence
two weeks?

>>941098411

It's a yes or no question my dawg.

>>941098355
>already-successful and widespread movement
link?

>>941098517
I asked first, still no reply
"my dawg"

>>941098355
>already-successful and widespread movement
proof in 3, ... 2,... 1

God I fucking rule.

>>941098729
>God
kek
>I fucking rule.
bigger kek

>>941097971
c h i n a

>>941098221
surely anon will deliver

>>941098826
name one successful communist society.

>>941098839

You're supposed to say 'Spain'.

>>941098896
what's that got to do with the price of wheat in Southern Zamezia
and
>McDonald's is just an example of a high frequency of shitty customer service.

>>941098865

Deliver what?

>>941099043

You're supposed to say 'Spain'

>>941099057
an answer

>>941099090

To what?

>>941099108
>>941098221
>>>941098120
>>If enough people participate
>are they?
>yes or no
god, you're dense

>>941099163

I don't understand.

>>941099288
>I don't understand.
all of /b/ is shocked

>>941099326

Shocked at what? I genuinely don't get it.

Anyway, looks like I fucking rule after all.

>>941099697
delusions of adequacy

>>941099752

So you're saying I'm great? Glad we can agree.

>>941099830
trying so, so hard for affirmation

>>941099874

Affirmation of what?

>>941096900
It is more childish to continue ignoring complaints. Complaints have already been turning to threats and threats to murder. Fast food employees aren't paid enough to afford drugs anymore so they are beginning to notice.

>>941099830
You *are* somebody
-- Rev. Jesse Jackson

>>941099953
>Complaints have already been turning to threats and threats to murder.
data please

>>941099953
>murder
[citation needed]

OP is an obese Arab.

>>941099953

Eh. It's not so much about what they can "afford" at their current pay rates.
The people that are being hired for the majority of low-skill retail positions nowadays are high schoolers. Most live with their parents. Other than maybe what they are required to contribute out of their wages, the money they have coming in is disposable income.

The issue is not really financial independence; it's that corpos doing the hiring are paying people who really aren't of the age and level of experience that they should be paid for anything. They simply don't know how to deal with people well enough that they should be earning money at this stage of their lives.

The fact that corpos continue to hire them is what makes the retail experience so unpleasant. A stop needs to be put to it.

>>941094978 (OP)
I don't disagree with you. I blame the geocentric social order. Look at the way men run things. Namely, the military. Men organize in hierarchies. Individuals are held directly accountable. If you fuck up the Sargent will yell at your face then and there and you have to take it. It's a damn good motivator not to fuck up.
But the way things are now civilly, especially in corporations, is because of women. Look at how women organize societies. It isn't with hierarchies, it's communal. Everyone gets a piece, some bullshit participation trophie. "one for you, one for you, one for you" etc. Nobody is held directly accountable, confrontation is some kind of taboo. There are no winners or losers, only participants. This bullshit is directly proportional to the amount women hold policy-making power.

Oh wow, looks like I'm back to fucking ruling this bread again.

>>941100255
>A stop needs to be put to it.
next post
>retail prices are too high! They're paying unskilled workers too much!

>>941100427
>>941099981

>>941100426
gynocentric*

>>941100426

It's exceedingly difficult to isolate the negative influence that female-primacy has on modern organizations because it's so deeply entrenched in them.
I think it's a factor, but I don't believe it explains a majority of it.

I think the main driver is just the fact that our economic is running up against a hard barrier after 100+ years of money-printing in pursuit of pro-growth strategy.
For literal decades, we printed money and offered cheap liquidity (the same thing) to businesses in order to facilitate growth and innovate and create value-add for consumers.
Through probably the late 90's the law of the land in corporate America was a race to the top. Whoever provided the best product at the lowest price would prevail.
Nowadays, innovation and improvement across most sectors has just maxed out.
All these companies are left with is finding creative and clandestine ways to offer cheaper, shittier, and diminished-size products at the same or marginally higher prices.
Hiring shitty, unfriendly, incompetent customer-facing employees is just part of that. Pick up anyone who is willing to accept $7.75 per hour before taxes. There are literally no other concerns: not skill, not critical thinking, not personability. Just absolutely nothing except "will they show up so that the business can technically function". The turnover rates must be unbelievable, but these people don't care, because year after year they have a fresh new crop of 19 year olds who don't know any better.

Over time, it creates a massive slide in overall living standards. Think about how often you have to buy something in person, and that nearly every time you do it, you have to interact with some blank-faced dickhead who doesn't understand that social pleasantries have existed for thousands of years as the primary way that we let each other know we're not mentally unstable psychopaths.
The only group that can put a stop to this collectively is consumers.

>>941100432

You keep saying I said things that I didn't say. It's very confusing.

Anyway, bumps.

>>941100432
nah

>>941100479
is that one of those spinny things they use to enrich uranium?

>>941094978 (OP)
Ah, so you're a karen nigger, huh?
Go neck yourself, scumbag

>>941094978 (OP)
It's a game of push, similar to politics.
The government tries to push control and everyone who isn't a politican is meant to push back.

Customer facing retards are suppose to push against being called out and paying customers are suppose to push for calling out. Instead because everyone's scared to push back and hurt someone's feelings, the quality of the job goes down.

I worked at McDonalds and was stuck doing customer facing work because I was the only one on the night shift capable of doing it properly. At the end of the day, the business was hiring social retards because their business wouldn't financially suffer from the lack of social skills primarily because customers would wait until they wasn't in the building to complain online or on the phone, at which point we already had their money.
I can say for certain that social skills including handling someone angry aren't checked during hiring yet are impactful to business. When I quit they hired 2 people to do customer facing in my place that I had to teach, they was as socially handicapped as possible.

>>941101526

No...no, I don't think I will.

>>941101526
Meds, E.

>>941101546

Interesting to hear a viewpoint from inside the belly of the beast. Thanks.
And by the way, I don't take any joy in advocating for this. I don't like being confrontational with people at all, but I view it as a necessary "evil".
This kind of shit boils society down to the purely transactional. Corpos have the population absolutely dialed. The spend millions and millions to accrue metadata and run focus groups and feasibility studies to hone in on the exact minimum standard of behavior that will keep customers returning to buy their products.
Meanwhile, the face-to-face interactions that people are forced to endure get shittier and shittier. The majority of interactions a person is involved in on a day-to-day basis involve money.
As long as this is the case, they continue to make money while society rots and daily standard of living decreases.

>>941101976
>Meds, E.
get new material, grandpa

>>941101546
>they wasn't

>>941102122
Proof?

>>941101546
>When I quit
>>941097739
called it

>>941102203
doesn't even make sense in this context

>>941102122
>>941102203
>>941102313

Guys, let's keep it on topic, please and thanks.

>>941102359
So no proof

>>941102313
Sorry your in the verge of an hero, E.

>>941102359
you must be new
>only what I'm preaching about is important

>>941102406

Except in this case, it actually is.
Meanwhile you retards are over here arguing about E. coli or some shit.

>>941102402
>your

>>941102458
>Except in this case, it actually is.
illusions of mediocrity

>>941102458
>Except in this case, it actually is.
an hourly worker that quit
earth-shattering!

>>941102533

So you agree that I'm great. Glad we're on the same page.

>>941102621
don't forget, anon has an
>already-successful and widespread movement
he said so

>>941102630
repetitive autist
>>941099874

>>941102893

No u

If you have not worked in retail, than your thoughts might vary.

A human, will do anything to survive. Don't get me wrong, we have cars, houses, clothes, food etc.

But, to do something out of pure own mindset for own glory/satisfaction and break the "business agreement", then the human is no longer of meaning. It's just an animal.
Search "schadenfreude", "gula", "hate", "obrigado" and it's dictionary interpretation.

>>941102941
attention Ladies and Gentlemen:
The Repetitive Autist© has an additional nickname
The Intentional Asshole©

>>941094978 (OP)
Nah after Trump won I'm not eating at McDonald's anymore. Maybe they shouldn't let him do a promo for his presidential campaign I don't give a shit

Fuck them from now on

>>941102036
It's essentially economics. When it's not economically bad for you to hire social retards, you can hire more people which allows for wage stagnation. It's supply and demand, the public being too scared to complain for a magnitude of reasons until they've paid money makes their opinion on the customer experience pointless, until businesses lose business because the customer facing staff are shit, there's no reason for hiring based on social skills.

>>941102254
I quit because it was night shifts only, one of my coworkers was a fat fuck that couldn't clean up and the supervisor was a spineless moron that had everybody else cover for her incapability.
Nothing to do with being told off or anything by anyone but through rarely seeing the sun, having a social life and working extra for someone who works less for the same money.

>>941103083

It seems like you have something of value to say, but this post isn't it.
Pure gibberish.

>>941103217
>I quit because it was night shifts only,
doesn't matter
>>941097739
>hourly workers quit

>>941103217

So in your view, what's the actual solution then?

>>941103281
They do quit but I'm not talking about hiring, I'm talking about firing. The socially stunted customer facing staff everywhere should be fired and the only way that comes about is shaming them for bad work.

>>941103304
Nothing because nothing can be done. You can't shame them without being attacked by losers because you're making a minimum wage worker jobless and it's already been done in reverse with the popularisation of "karen". Customers are shamed for trying to correct bad service.
When some unbathed 18 year old who had his parents come to the interview is fucking up, you can't do any correction without risking your face being blasted online for being a "karen". There's no way it's going to reverse unless businesses where they prioritise social skills with an equal product start performing marginally better.

>>941103673
>I'm talking about firing.
don't have to
>hourly workers quit

>>941103673
It's not really about making them jobless. Their employers hired them because they have zero useful skills and accept the lowest possible pay rate. It might induce them to quit faster, but the boss is not going to fire them for getting confronted or berated by customers.

>>941103982
Their employers hired them because their lack of social skills doesn't impact business. If you're hiring someone to sell something and their ability to talk to strangers will either make or lose you money, you're going to want someone social.
They're going to be fired when their inability to talk to people normally goes from someone who's already paid money making a little comment, posting a review online or liking a review and starts translating into the business making less money directly because of the service.

>>941103673
>>941103769

I don't advocate for firing them either. The work environment is unpleasant because of shitty workers with no people skills making it that way. I don't want them to quit or get fired. I advocate for the customer pushing back in order to make the experience equally shitty for the employees in question. This will leave the business owner with no choice but to fix the problem that's now pissing off everyone involved.

>>941104340
The problem is only fixed if it's financially impactful.
It doesn't matter if they're so slow that they take 20 minutes to get you your order, if you've paid for it and won't ask for a refund over it, there is no difference between having to wait 20 minutes and if you had to wait 2 minutes.
This is also why doordash and ubereats are popular. Everyone knows that the food is usually delivered cold but people are still using their service, they're still paying for it. Unless it hits them financially, there's no purpose in changing it.

>>941104340
>I advocate for the customer pushing back
how's that working out for you
oh yeah
>I have started an already-successful and widespread movement to hold shitty retail employees to account for poor performance
congrats on your already-successful and widespread movement
how do I subscribe to your newsletter/podcast?

>>941094978 (OP)
>You, as a customer, do not have any responsibility to be magnanimous or forgiving toward an organization that wastes your time and money.


If you can't feed yourself, be infinitely grateful and treat those who are willing to feed you like gods. Smile and pay them what they want, even if they spit on you.

>>941104615

>financially impactful
If every time a retail employee makes a mistake, costs a customer time/money, or is otherwise entitled or unpleasant, the customer confronts them and makes a scene, it will be financially impactful.
People will stop coming.

>>941104717

Just log on to 4chan dot org slash bee

>>941104892
so you don't actually have an already-successful and widespread movement
so disappointed in your lies

>>941104975
what did you expect from a night-shift hourly worker who quit?

>>941104615
>>941104871

By the way, my alternative solution to this is when a retail establishment underperforms and costs you money and time, just break their stuff lol.
Knock over the rack full of $3.99 nick nacks next to the register. Break the nozzles off of the soda machine. Impede their ability to do business.
Unpleasant as it may be, it's without a doubt the quickest, cheapest, and easiest form of retribution for the jilted consumer.

>>941105094
violence is not the solution

>>941104871
Except they don't confront and they don't complain.
The vast vast majority of people don't do it because the threat of being labelled a Karen online and harassed is too big. The burger taking 10 minutes you paid £3 for isn't worth the risk.
Likewise, these retards aren't going to go elsewhere or just stop because they're addicted.

I worked exclusively nights. Nightly around 10 different people was regulars, they'd be there 5 times out of 5 that I worked and I can guarantee they came on my 2 days off too. People are addicted to fast food. Like I said, everyone will complain about food delivery apps messing up orders or being cold but they still use them, knowing the service will be shit because the alternative is not indulging their addiction.

>>941105158

You opened a history book lately? Lol.
Also breaking stuff isn't violence. Not really anyway.

>>941105190
bottom line: the CEO in LA or NY doesn't give a shit and has zero motivation for change

>>941105228
>You opened a history book lately?
did Antifa win something?
did the Proud Boys win something?
please to on

>>941105365
*go

>>941105365
J6 overturned the election
Mike Pence was hung and Trump anointed GodEmporer

>>941105190

This isn't limited to fast food tho.
It's happening anywhere and everywhere that retail services have been corporatized. Shittier experience. Equal or higher price.
It's not about one business or sector. This is a holistic problem. The solution is shaming/badgering retail employees into acting right, regardless of how personally satisfied they are at work. And if that doesn't work, harming the business until the problem is solved by ownership.

>>941105509
>The solution is shaming/badgering retail employees
>>941097357
>and you still haven't explained the benefits you will obtain from "chewing out" an hourly worker
>will the company CEO care, or will you just piss of an hourly worker?

>>941105509
repetitive and ineffective

>>941105509
It's not but you just swap addiction out for convenience.
No one is going to go somewhere that takes longer to get to that doesn't have as much stock because the local place hires losers that makes the experience unbearable.

It's like doctor receptionists. They're all annoying bitches but no one is going to change who's their doctor because of the receptionist because it's too much of a hassle. Just tolerate the bitch for the rare occasions you have to phone up and move on with your life.

>>941105828
>No one is going to go somewhere that takes longer to get to that doesn't have as much stock because the local place hires losers that makes the experience unbearable.
McD going out of business in 3, 2, 1...

>>941106074
filename: *Don Quixote

>>941106135
Don Trump is also appropriate, when he tilts at nonexistent antifa, for example

>>941102359
>Guys, let's keep it on topic, please and thanks.

lol fuckoff nigger

>>941100255
>Most live with their parents.
And they will continue to.

>>941102313
Newfag

>>941109208

No thanks. It's important to keep threads on topic. If you don't agree with that, it means you weren't privy to constant sliding and derailment of threads prior to wait times and captcha verification for posts, and you're brand new and should lurk moar before posting.

>>941111257

LOL shutup stupid bitch

>>941111286

Once again, no thanks.

>>941111023

Only newfags use the term newfag.

>>941094978 (OP)
Do you really eat that slop? Post pic of your prolactin McManTitties, OP.
PS: I didn't read your bitchy, woman like soliloquy because it was way too long and I am not your whore mother.

>>941111858


No, I don't. It's just an extremely common example. Do you?

>>941096367
Tell me you're a uninformed midwit without explicitly saying it.

The profit margin on a burger at current prices is microscopic, the min wage employees are not being used a nefarious barrier to complaints, they are necessary to keep the price low enough so entitled autistic gloop people like you don't complain your favorite yum yumms cost a dollar more.

You walk into a busy takeout restaurant you are going to wait and chances of mistakes go up, period. If that feels unfair to you, you are in fact the problem. Instant yummies perfectly the way you want it is not a human right. I can tell by the way you talk, you are THE problem, for yourself, the staff you interact with, and all the other customers.

No one cares if you never come back, please don't in fact. 99/100 customers walk away satisfied, if the 1% that need their shit the special way they like it, need to o on a 5 minute diatribe while ordering about how "last time it was bad, mayk it gud how hard you job customer aways right", and complain about mundane useless shit like "but I wanted 3 sauces and got 2", never came back literally everyone in the world's lives would be exponentially better.

Fucking entitled goo bug men need to go.

>>941094978 (OP)
You've never worked customer service and it shows. Go fuck yourself. I dealt with more bullshit working fast food than I do in my current 6-figure job, and 99% of that shit came from dickass customers that think the entire store stops for them when they place their order, or that the first person they grab is the reason their order is fucked up.

Open your mouth when you order, enunciate, stop rushing, and quit being so fucking picky and all your problems will go away--or keep being a douche and keep getting your shit messed up.

>>941094978 (OP)
You sound like a huge dick. Please be nice to minimum wage service workers. If your not happy with the product or service then go elsewhere. You sound like the kind of guy that drives an emotional support vehicle (lifted pickup truck) and tailgates people who are driving the speed limit.

>>941112223

Fast food items don't cost a dollar more, dipshit. It's more like 35-40% more over the last 4 years.

>>941113692

There is nowhere else, retard. Every corporate retail outlet is behaving this way.

>>941114334
>>941114377
I support OP doing this because it vastly increases the chance of retards like you getting shot be a McMonkey having a bad day.

Think they won't shoot you? It's way more likely than them giving you a refund they aren't even allowed to give

>>941113692

I have a huge dick, if that's what you mean.

>>941116973
nigga gon get shot by a mcmonkey over a $2 mcdouble

>>941114476
>you getting shot be a McMonkey
ESL or homeschool?

>>941094978 (OP)
I don't really believe in chewing people out. It's not going to unfuck something that's kinda fucked. It probably isn't a big deal anyway. I mean I'll chew people out but I kinda expected they wanted a fist fight first.gdhyj Man I'm just glad I got some food. I don't have any reasonable complaints it's food, hopefully not soylent green. Or tampered with in a weird way.

>>941121075
Although fuck I really don't think I'm gonna get past that fight with that one company. I really hope none of the products I'm buying are related to them I bet they got stocks in fucking everything too. Fucking shit heads. I'd hang up on me too but fuck you man.

>>941121228
I mean yes I use their product and I'm not going to explain every time someone offers me one because at least I didn't technically steal it from them. Fuck you if someone did though.