Thread 941107602

Didn't know Christopher Columbus was so Unfathomably based

>>941107602 (OP)
Christopher Cucklumbus is a pedo rapist

>>941107602 (OP)
>Didn't know
American public school will do that to you.

>>941110016
i couldnt care less how people behaved 600 years ago, without his discovery we would all be cucked in europe. i bet you wont find a historical figure in the last millenium that wasnt a piece of shit in some way

Honestly, Columbus Day is worth commemorating regardless of Columbus.
Discovery of a transatlantic route was arguably the most ground breaking event in recorded history. You could legitimately frame 1492 as Year 0 on the international calendar and it would contextualize world events at large.

Indigenous People's day is the gayest name on the fucking planet (what the fuck were indigenous people doing on Oct. 13 anyway??), but I wouldn't be opposed to it getting renamed as something that better reflects the global impact that it had.

>>941107602 (OP)
this was one of columbus's crew, and he was flogged for it.

>>941107663
much like Trump

good comparison

>>941107663
So he's pretty cool then?

>>941107602 (OP)
Fake

>>941107683
classic

>>941107602 (OP)
Fake and gay logfag bait.

>>941110687
Even spain gives 0 fucks about the sadistic Italian who legit thought he was in India.
Cool footnote of history, nothing more.

>>941113842
>Cool footnote of history, nothing more.
Nigger, we literally have the entire New World's history divided into "Pre-columbian" and "Post-Columbian".
You can reframe the entire world's history at large that way and it would provide perfect context of most major events over the last 500 years.

What part of that is a footnote?

>>941114196
You sound like one of those zoomers who is always saying "bu-but, we grew up in a post 9/11 world".

>>941110687
wahhhh things i'm accustomed to are changing

>>941111020
Lost

>>941114338
>>941114324
What the fuck are either of you on about?
What does either of your posts have anything to do with what I said?

>>941110687
This.

>>941114475
Yes.

>>941114196
>hype a guy up
>but now we have to follow him
Or we don't and rename shit to contact or indigenous gays days or w/e

>>941114830
>rename shit to contact or indigenous gays days or w/e
Contact makes at least some sense. That at least spells out some of the gravity of what's important, but doesn't really capture why Columbus's first contact had more global impact than Lief Erikson's.
Indigenous People's Day does not make sense though, because again, the fuck were they doing on Oct. 13th?

>>941114954
>the fuck were they doing on Oct. 13th?
Killing off bison, stealing foreheads, and raping squaws. Can we fit all that on a banner?

>>941110379
>without Christopher Columbus, white people would have never occupied the Americas
It would have happened regardless

>>941115036
>didnt know christopher columbus was so unfathomably based
the guy who was the first to discover america was actually a based italian, and also a based italian explorer.

the guy who discovered america was actually christopher columbus.

>>941116989
What does that have to do with Injuns fucking up the place?

>>941116989
He was the first European* to discover** Cuba.
*the vikings actually landed in North America long before Columbus.
**people began inhabiting the Americas for over 10k years before Columbus

>>941110379
>without his discovery
What discovery? You mean Vespucci's discovery from before Columbus was born? Columbus is a fuck up that thought he was in India. Not only did he not discover shit, not only did he rape, murder, and main to such a degree that he was disavowed by the Spanish Inquisition, not only did his priest fucking kill himself rather than live with the shame of witnessing Columbus's actions, but the entire fucking time he thought he'd proved that the Earth was round and he hadn't proven shit.

>>941117351
The importance of Columbus's journey was that it was an open water transatlantic route as opposed arctic coastal Island hopping/land bridge.
That technique became the foundation for circumnavigation and why west European colonization succeeded where scandanavian colonization failed

>>941117513
>What discovery?
A transatlantic route.
Prior to Columbus's journey, it was widely considered prohibitively hazardous if not impossible by the majority of scholars

>>941117619
Wrong. Vespucci did it first. Columbus is literally a joke and the only reason you think otherwise is because he was used for propaganda.

>>941117756
Are you retarded or just trolling? Do you know who Vespucci is?

>>941117776
>>941117801
Vespucci didn't discover the route, dumbdumb

>>941117847
Ah, you're retarded but now you're trying to troll. It's never too late to get your GED.

>>941117897
You’re a fucking idiot.

>>941117959
You are factually incorrect about pretty much everything you've said. Why would I care about your opinion?

>>941117897
You're not contradicting anything I said.

>>941117513
>Vespucci's discovery from before Columbus was born
Vespucci was born three years after Columbus.

>>941117992
Vespucci didn't sail the transatlantic route until 5 years after Columbus discovered it

>>941118009
Alright, we can play.
>He thinks Vespucci took the transpacific route
Retard.

>>941118030
>Wikipedia search intensifies

>>941118091
>transpacific
What
It's transatlantic, you goof. And yeah, Vespucci took it.

>>941118199
So it was discovered by Vespucci. Thanks for playing, retard.

>>941118279
How did he discover it 5 years after Columbus had already sailed it?

Columbus's first voyage to the Americas was in 1492. Vespucci's first documented voyage to the Americas was in 1499, though there is some evidence he went on an undocumented voyage in 1497.

I have no idea what this retard is saying, but he's clearly retarded.

>>941118401
>>941118404
>Columbus's first voyage to the Americas
You mean his voyage to India, don't you? That's why we call it America and not Chistopia.

>>941119118
>and not Chistopia.
1) It would be called "Columbia", which remains one of the most recognizable and commonly used names in the Americas.
2) I mean his voyage across the atlantic.

America is named after Vespucci because he was the first to recognize it as a unique landmass, not because he sailed there first.

>>941119189
>It would be called "Columbia"
We didn't call it Vespucciland, moron.

>2) I mean his voyage across the atlantic
He thought he was voyaging across the Pacific.

Man why wasn't reading books about this guy a thing when I was in school. I should go to the library more often. I think it was a coincidence the guy with the face tattoo was a kid I was kind of a dick too.

>>941119205
Why is your dick so hard for a child rapist?

>>941111020
MMm, delicious. Has tons of rage bait tacked into it too, something for everyone.

>>941119242
>He thought he was voyaging across the Pacific.
What are you talking about.
What the fuck are you talking about.
Do you have any idea how the Atlantic got its name?

I'll give you a hint, it has something to do with some weird book written by some bald greek philosopher.
Meanwhile, the Pacific wasn't named until Magellan sailed it.
How the fuck are you this utterly ignorant on world history?

>>941119358
It doesn't matter how the Atlantic got it's name, retard. He thought it was the same ocean. That's the whole point. If he were right then there'd be no America, no Atlantic, no Pacific, just the Ocean of Columbia and a Port Columbus in India. He didn't discover shit. He went back and told everyone that it was all one ocean and America didn't exist.

>>941119478
>just the Ocean of Columbia
He didn't discover the Atlantic Ocean, he discovered a route across it. That was his main objective.
Getting to India was his second objective, that's what he failed at without realizing it.

>It doesn't matter how the Atlantic got it's name, retard.
You're right. It doesn't. The transatlantic route is not named after Columbus or Vespucci, but columbus discovered it regardless.

>>941119754
>He didn't discover the Atlantic Ocean, he discovered a route across it. That was his main objective.
No it was not. His main objective was to prove that you could sail to India. He failed.

>Getting to India was his second objective
No it was not. Proving the Earth was round was his second objective. He failed both times because he never made it to India and he never circumnavigated the globe. More over, the data he collected during the voyage was never taken seriously because he got lost and he claimed it the Earth was about 1/3 the circumference it has been known to be since Erasmus. He contributed nothing and he was condemned by everyone who knew what he did when he landed.

>>941119879
>No it was not. His main objective was to prove that you could sail to India. He failed.
Yes. He failed at getting to india.
No, he did not fail at establishing a transatlantic route.

>Proving the Earth was round was his second objective.
That was the same objective as sailing to india.

>it has been known to be since Erasmus.
Theorized, it was still hotly debated in academic circles.
Moreover, in academic circles, it was generally accepted by scholars that sailing across the atlantic was impossible, which Columbus objectively proved wrong. And his journey would have still been a minor success for sailing out that far even if he hadn't made it to land.

>>941120036
I don't know why you're still arguing with this retard. He's already conceded that Columbus reached the Americas first, but he's literally trying to argue that it doesn't count because Columbus didn't mean to go to the Americas. Okay, sure, whatever man, I didn't make fucking your mother my goal either but that's not gonna change the fact that she fixed your cereal with my cum dripping out of her cunt.

>>941120036
>No, he did not fail at establishing a transatlantic route.
Yes, he did. That data was never used. Nobody took it seriously.

>That was the same objective as sailing to india
Incorrect. His main objective was to set up a new, shorter, more profitable trade route to India. As a bonus, this theoretical route would constitute the first circumnavigation of the globe and there for the first physical proof of the fact that the Earth is round. That's how he pumped the gas to get funding from the Spanish Queen.

>Theorized
It has been known by every civilization that has studied astronomy or engaged in seafaring, which is basically all of them.

>>941120153
>I don't know why you're still arguing with this retard.
Because too many of these retards exist, they think they're genius's because they watched an episode of Adam Ruins Everything and fail to realize that actual impact of Columbus's journey.

>>941120153
>Columbus reached the Americas first
Are you retarded? The Asians found it first, then the Vikings, then the Italians.

>>941120220
>actual impact of Columbus's journey.
The actual impact is that the Spanish Inquisition sent him a letter of condemnation. That's it.

>>941114475
Holy fuck is this site retarded.

>>941120201
>That data was never used. Nobody took it seriously.
Every journey to the Americas used it.

>His main objective was to set up a new, shorter, more profitable trade route to India
That was the advertised payoff. Hitting land at all that far out was still a major success.

>It has been known by every civilization that has studied astronomy or engaged in seafaring, which is basically all of them.
No, it hasn't. At all.
Flat earth theory was the dominant prevailing theory globally and was considered objective by 4/5th's of the world's population prior.
The only people who even seriously entertained a round earth were mediterranian sailors and scholars, and even then they debated the actual size of the earth.

This is common knowledge.

>>941120245
>The Asians found it first, then the Vikings, then the Italians.
The issue isn't who found it, it's how they got there. That's what's actually being discussed.
We're discussing transatlantic navigation and comparing vespucci to columbus.

>>941120367
>Every journey to the Americas used it.
Wrong. Columbus got lost and his crew nearly mutinied over it.

>Hitting land at all that far out was still a major success.
So you admit that he failed.

>Flat earth theory was the dominant prevailing theory globally
No it was not. Sorry the retard hill folk you were born to were late.to the party.

>>941120417
Then the Vikings did it first. Way to own yourself.

>>941120419
>Wrong. Columbus got lost and his crew nearly mutinied over it.
And that data was still used to sail back. Repeatedly.

>So you admit that he failed.
I admitted that several posts back.

>No it was not. Sorry the retard hill folk you were born to were late.to the party.
It is very well documented what asian, subsaharan, austrolasian, and native american cosmologies looked like.
They were flat earthers.

>>941120442
Vikings were a combination of arctic coastal navigation and island hopping.
The colonies failed because it was an extremely poor and difficult route to navigate. That's why we're talking about the transatlantic route that became the basis for circumnavigation.l

>>941120507
>And that data was still used to sail back. Repeatedly.
Wrong. That data was less trusted than a free map.

>So you admit that he failed.
I admitted that several posts back
So why are you still dick riding a child rapist and murderer? You haven't read the diary of the ship's priest?

>asian, subsaharan, austrolasian, and native american cosmologies
You're talking about creation myths. How fucking retarded are you?

>>941120573
Holy cope! The Vikings mostly raided and traded. There were only a handful of Viking colonies and genetic data shows that the definitely interbred, which either shows frequent visits or a thriving colony that eventually assimilated.

>>941120608
>Wrong. That data was less trusted than a free map.
Wrong. It was reused specifically because he made it to land.

>So why are you still dick riding a child rapist and murderer?
I don't care for columbus. I'm just looking at the actual historical facts for the events that set off the age of exploration regardless.

>You're talking about creation myths. How fucking retarded are you?
I'm talking about their cosmology.
Which, again, well documented that the 4/5ths of the world population thought the earth was flat in 1500.

>>941120659
>There were only a handful of Viking colonies
Yeah. There were only a handful.
That's because the viking's route was extremely shitty, and the colonies got assimilated because supplies and assistance was unreliable from their homelands.

>>941120712
>It was reused specifically because he made it to land.
Lol no.

>I don't care for columbus
He said, while riding that dick 'til it bled.

>I'm talking about their cosmology
You're talking about their creation myths and pretending that they are their astronomical observations.

>>941107663
He, and all the other Spanish explorers were favored by god. (yes I know he wasn't Spanish but sailed for them)

>right when food is running out
>suddenly run into land
>your theory about the earth is completely wrong, everything works out anyway at exactly the right time
>on another trip run into trouble with the natives
>lol no big deal because once again it just so happens there's going to be an eclipse at exactly the right time for him to take advantage of it
>"Uh yeah God's pissed that you island niggers are being dicks, so he's taking away the sun, keep fucking with me and he won't give it back"
>eclipse happens
>natives shit bricks and beg for him to show mercy
>"Idk guys not up to me I'll go pray and see if God is willing to spare you retards"
>goes into his cabin and chills until just before he knows the eclipse will end
>"Ok yeah God says it's cool but if you're dicks again he's going to kill you all, behave and give me more big booty bitches and pineapple"
>>941120367
>The only people who even seriously entertained a round earth were mediterranian sailors and scholars, and even then they debated the actual size of the earth.
No it wasn't you fucking retard. Greeks correctly calculated the circumference of the earth. You probably know that one. Romans also knew the earth was round, hence the word for "world" being "orbis" or orb. You fucking retard. But wait, there's more. The arabs also knew it, and so did the Persians. The Persians also have claimed since the bronze age that there were 7 continents which is cool.
>>941120712
>Which, again, well documented that the 4/5ths of the world population thought the earth was flat in 1500.
Produce the document retard.

The Denkard, a 9th century text on Zoroastrian theology unambiguously states the earth is round. What you were taught in school was wrong, because your teachers were retards.

>>941120778
>You're talking about their creation myths and pretending that they are their astronomical observations.
We've seen their astronomical observations. They set the basis for their cosmology.

Why is it that you are this stubbornly wrong about every single point?

>>941120772
No, it's because Vikings almost never set sail to establish colonies anywhere. They set sail to raid or trade with other cultures. How retarded are you?

>>941120835
>Why is it that you are this stubbornly wrong about every single point?
This is projection.

>>941120806
>Greeks correctly calculated the circumference of the earth
Erasmus. And yeah, it was still shocking to people later on that he was that spot on.

>Romans also knew the earth was round, hence the word for "world" being "orbis" or orb. You fucking retard. But wait, there's more. The arabs also knew it, and so did the Persians. The Persians also have claimed since the bronze age that there were 7 continents which is cool.
... so, Mediterranean and arabs. Nice.

>Zoroastrian
What the fuck is with you naming mediterranean cultures over and over again?
At some point, you'd get the picture and realize "Oh fuck, this really is the only region that believed the earth was round!"

>>941120838
>Vikings almost never set sail to establish colonies anywhere.
Except for when they did, and guess what happened to them and why!
Lack of consistent supplies from their homeland and ultimately integration.

>>941120838
>No, it's because Vikings almost never set sail to establish colonies anywhere
What are you talking about?

>Vinland
>Greenland
>All of Iceland
>Jorvik
>Dublin
>waterford
>limerick
>Cork
>Wexford
>Wicklow
>Anagassan
Caithness
>Uig
>Holmgarðr
>Shetlands
>Orkneys
>Faroes
>Normandy
I can go on and on. They settled countless sites in Britain, Russia, and along the Baltic.
>>941121040
>guess what happened to them
A total mix. The Rus integrated with the native Slavs who took on their name. The Vikings who settled in Scotland and Ireland also largely simply became indistinguishable from the native Celtic peoples. Some of the settlers in England were purged, and some integrated. Faroese and Icelandic haven't really changed at all, they're just still chilling.
>>941120998
You think Iran is on the Mediterranean? Hindus also got it right btw

>>941121241
>You think Iran is on the Mediterranean?
I think the persian empire bordered the mediterranean. Which it did.

>Hindus also got it right btw
The hindus were conflicted on it, and the earth being round (or spherical) was still not widely accepted.
Sources saying it was widely accepted is mostly a result of religious bias from hindus wanting to seem more advanced than they really were.
Abrahamic faiths are guilty of this too. I'll concede that it was at least seriously discussed academically in india.

That said, how much of the world population do you think this actually covers at this point?
You still have the rest of asia to account for, astrolasians, and all of the americas.
And even among the populations we've covered, how much of this do you think was knowledge exclusive to academics vs. the general population?

>>941121731
>I think the persian empire bordered the Mediterranean.
But the Zoroastrian faith began somewhere around Tajikistan and Afghanistan, not anywhere near the Mediterranean.

The Persians likewise did not live around the Mediterranean. Like sure, wow, they conquered it, but it's Greeks, Egyptians, and Semites living there. The Persians meanwhile are still back in Persia.
>You still have the rest of asia to account for, astrolasians, and all of the americas.
>Asia
East Asia largely believed it was flat and were wrong
>astrolasians, and all of the americas.
Genuinely subhumans. Like yeah the people who didn't have writing and ate eachother were all fucked up and retarded maybe, or not, they didn't write so we don't know what they thought, but more importantly it doesn't matter since they're not people. I'm not interested in hearing sub-Saharan African opinions either.
>And even among the populations we've covered, how much of this do you think was knowledge exclusive to academics
No idea and you don't know either. More importantly it doesn't matter, since the opinions of those who have no education on a topic are irrelevant. We can ask burger flippers what percentage of chrome we should use to produce a stainless steel, but it won't get us anywhere.

>>941122265
>Genuinely subhumans. Like yeah the people who didn't have writing and ate eachother were all fucked up and retarded maybe, or not, they didn't write so we don't know what they thought, but more importantly it doesn't matter since they're not people. I'm not interested in hearing sub-Saharan African opinions either.
That's a massive cop-out.

>No idea and you don't know either. More importantly it doesn't matter, since the opinions of those who have no education on a topic are irrelevant.
It's completely relevant, and I'm actually trying to drive at a specific point here.
You tell a peasant in europe "The earth is round", does he understand it, let alone care? Probably not. They probably don't even tell their kids because the cows need to be milked.
But you give that man a potato and tell him that you sailed half-way around the globe to get it, BAM, suddenly people quit believing they're the center of the universe and start revolting in the streets. And this is in a culture that was academically open to the concept of a round earth to begin with.

The truth is the the vast majority didn't either didn't believe it or think of it, and those that were did were too scared to test it. Transatlantic travel changed that, and once it became practical then everyone believed it.

>>941122686
>people who didn't care about a topic didn't care about it
yeah you don't say? That doesn't mean people didn't know it. Again, 100% of everyone in Europe who had an educated opinion on the shape of the earth knew it was round. Columbus's voyage did nothing to change that.
>But you give that man a potato and tell him that you sailed half-way around the globe to get it, BAM, suddenly people quit believing they're the center of the universe and start revolting in the streets.
But that didn't happen and wasn't particularly strange.
>oh you got some weird shit from the other side of the planet? Yeah I've heard of sugar bro, that also comes from the complete other side of the world, cinnamon, cardamom, cloves, yeah dog it's not a big deal

>>941122907
>But that didn't happen and wasn't particularly strange.
It very literally did.
Ptolemic theory was the dominant view of the cosmos until 22 years after Columbus's journey, when copernicus started pushing heliocentricism.
These educated assholes "knew" the earth was round for 1500 years, but put little real thought into what that meant until someone actually did something with that knowledge.
And the revolutions that followed shortly afterwards resulted in total reformations, both political and religious.

>>941123274
>Ptolemic theory was the dominant view of the cosmos until 22 years after Columbus's journey, when copernicus started pushing heliocentricism.
Which has nothing to do with our discussion.
>And the revolutions that followed shortly afterwards resulted in total reformations, both political and religious.
What revolutions anon? The ones that happen centuries after Columbus, and have nothing to do with any idea he put forth?

No, put simply the idea that there are other places elsewhere in the world was not a novel concept to anyone anywhere in Europe.

>>941107602 (OP)
He could not possibly have said that since he pretended that he was in India and had to convince everyone that he was or he would have been beheaded

>>941123370
>What revolutions anon? The ones that happen centuries after Columbus, and have nothing to do with any idea he put forth?
Yes. Those revolutions come from people questioning their cosmology. And that questioning comes from theoretical knowledge gaining practical application. That takes time to foment and comes from direct exposure to the goods and trades transatlantic travel.

>>941123452
Actual brainlet take holy shit. We got a real breakfast non-perceiver.

>>941123551
>Those revolutions come from people questioning their cosmology.
No they don't.
>direct exposure to the goods and trades transatlantic travel.
Oh right, and only transatlantic, but not the transcontinental trade from China clear to Europe, Because that would make your statement seem silly and created solely to prop up a retarded opinion. There's some magical quality to transatlantic trade that makes revolutions happen centuries later for unrelated reasons.

>>941110687
Many people crossed the atlantic before Columbus rebo. Columbus was just the first guy who arrived and claimed to own the place in the name of his queen.

>>941119754
He didn't discover a route across it.
People made journeys across it regularly, it was wrongly believed to be perilous. He was the most publicized case of someone going and making it back unharmed multiple times, and so people realized it wasn't dangerous.
No, no one back then called it the "Columbian exchange" because that term was invented in the 1970s.
No, he didn't discover a trade route. He didn't even discover a route. He just took multiple paths in the direction, and didn't die.
If you look at maps he drew, you can see he left from like 4 different ports, and landed in different places every time. He didn't take note of his exact or even approximate path, because, newsflash, he didn't have a cartographer.
If you are thinking of those maps you see online showing his hypothetical paths, they're all conjecture, good job you didn't read anything you thought you did.

Please tell me more contributions you wrongly believe belong to Columbus.

>>941123626
>No they don't.
Yes they do.

>There's some magical quality to transatlantic trade that makes revolutions happen centuries later for unrelated reasons.
There's some magical quality to transatlantic trade that immediately led to the age of exploration, yes.

What do you think caused the development of copernican theory, transatantic travel from 22 years earlier, or marco polo's journey 200 years earlier?

>>941123667
>He was the most publicized case of someone going and making it back unharmed multiple times, and so people realized it wasn't dangerous.
... okay, so he found a route there. Cool.

>>941123768
Name one revolution you believe occurred because of this nonsense. Directly state your opinion so I can refute it.
>What do you think caused the development of copernican theory, transatantic travel from 22 years earlier, or marco polo's journey 200 years earlier?
Copernican theory has nothing to do with any revolution and you are a retarded subhuman.
>b-but some unnamed revolution happened after copernicus maybe
shut the fuck up nigger

>>941123840
But he didn't. He went somewhere and came back; that is not finding a route.

>>941123840
He didn't discover a route.
Please find me the Columbus Route, it should be easy to find me the map that was generated from this voyage that you're talking about which was used to inform every future voyage to the Americas.
That is, unless you are just talking shit for no reason.

>>941123843
>Directly state your opinion so I can refute it.
This outta be good.
95 theses. Protestant reformation, completely and coincidentally occuring at the same time as the Copernican revolution.

>>941123871
>He went somewhere and came back; that is not finding a route.
Yeah. Multiple times.
And it was sufficiently more detailed than what the vikings produced.

>>941123919
>Please find me the Columbus Route
The columbus route is sailing the south west for approximately 3000 miles.
It's in stark contrast to the viking's route, which was island hopping between iceland and greenland's coastlines.

>>941123274
>Ptolemy
Common misconception.
Ptolemy's Geography was lost to the west until the 1400s when the Byzantines brought it back and translated it to Latin, and it didn't become mainstream until after the second half the 1500s when printing kicked off.
Almagest was the most accepted keystone in western science at that time.

>>941124005
>The Columbus Route was...
You didn't find a route because you are talking out of your ass.
Please post a photo of the drawn map Columbus made on his voyages that describes this route.

>>941123930
yes, it is coincidental since their ideas were spawned directly from the Hussite movement a century prior. Oh, was Jan Hus a seer who peered into the future and discovered Copernican theory?

How about the Waldensians, didn't hear about them? There was even the whole Anabaptist movement. There was of course even further back the Cathars, the church launched a full scale crusade against them.

Reformers and schismatics are nothing new at all.

>>941124054
>Please post a photo of the drawn map Columbus made on his voyages that describes this route.
Sure, give me the map of the viking's route first.
Unless you're saying that doesn't exist either.
(Do you realize how dumb this line of reasoning is yet?)

>>941124104
It didn't. A route is a route, not just saying "sail in that direction until you hit something" because that means you will wind up on the other side of the planet in a completely random location. I know you've never had to go anywhere or do anything in your entire life, but please imagine you are told "ok walk vaguely east until you get to an ocean, yeah that's the spot." You haven't been given a route you've been given a death sentence.

>>941124087
>Reformers and schismatics are nothing new at all.
Absolutely, you are right. But the scale and magnitude by which they take place comes from public support.

>>941114196
No one gave a fuck about Columbus or referenced him much till America made up a creation myth in the late 1800s.

>>941124148
>It didn't. A route is a route, not just saying "sail in that direction until you hit something" because that means you will wind up on the other side of the planet in a completely random location.
Hm. Good point. I wonder if Columbus recorded and aimed his latitude to certain regions through some kind of nagivational expertise or something and shared that.
The fact is that he managed to hit the carribians,4 out of 4 times instead of landing in the other areas. How is that possible without a route?

>>941124247
...Because that's the way the ocean current moves you absolute retard. It's why journeys to sub-saharan Africa were so rare as well, despite Africa being right there and Europeans exploring and settling in North Africa for millennia, colonizing the New World before Africa: you can't (easily) come back. It's a one way trip.

>>941124201
>No one gave a fuck about Columbus or referenced him much till America made up a creation myth in the late 1800s.
You realize the US capitol became the District of Columbia at least 100 years earlier than that, right?

>>941107602 (OP)
Still a better human than obama!

>>941124323
Do you think when people referenced Columbia they were thinking of him?

>>941124321
>...Because that's the way the ocean current moves you absolute retard.
So the route was "Follow the ocean current".
Congratulations, you answered your own question. Jesus christ...

>>941124159
>But the scale and magnitude by which they take place comes from public support.
Yes, and Germany had just come off of literally a century of on-off peasant revolutions. This was just the one that stuck because it wound up getting noble support.

>>941124350
Yes. The americas were referred to interchangeably as Columbia and Americas for a while. Everything American with "Columbia" in the title refers to columbus.

>>941124358
yes, and wind up somewhere random in the Caribbean. Which Columbus did. Every time. That's very useful if you don't want to get anywhere or do anything, but again it's not much of a route. Once more, if you ask "hey how do I get to Florida" Telling you, "well float that direction and hope you wind up in the right spot idk lol" isn't a route.

>>941124392
No you tardo
It comes from Gullivera travels who thought it sounded exotic
In Spanish speaking regions it had a pinch more relevance as a name
By the time of the revolution Americans thought it sounded cool and it had lost its comical orgins.

>>941124482
>It comes from Gullivera travels who thought it sounded exotic
Yeah. He named it after Columbus, too.
The whole region Columbia was exotic.

>>941124564
And did anyone think of Columbus when they quoted Columbia?
No

>>941124475
>That's very useful if you don't want to get anywhere or do anything,
It's very useful if you're trying to cross the atlantic.
Which makes it the transatlantic route.
Kinda like if I say "Take route 66", that doesn't magically take you to grandma's house.

>>941124591
>And did anyone think of Columbus when they quoted Columbia?
Yes. They did. These people were literate and could make the connection.

>>941124594
>It's very useful if you're trying to cross the atlantic.
>hey uh how do we cross the atlantic?
>uh just sail the direction across the atlantic, duh!
no anon.

>>941124594
>Kinda like if I say "Take route 66", that doesn't magically take you to grandma's house.
But that route runs across one definite line. That's why it's a route. Whereas floating in a direction and hoping you wind up somewhere isn't.

>>941124642
Yes, anon.

>>941107602 (OP)
Well trump can't have Americans realize narice actually contributed to America, from militarily, socially (our constitution had inspiration from the Iroquois, amongst others) and various agricultural practices.
Yeah let's celebrate a Spaniard who's not even celebrated in Spain. Or anywhere else.

>>941124662
No anon. "uh sail west" is not a route.

>>941124660
>Whereas floating in a direction and hoping you wind up somewhere isn't.
Once is an accident. Twice is a route.
Turns out that discovering that the atlantic current is a great discovery.

>>941107602 (OP)
Friendly reminder that Colombus was a crypto-jew

>>941124682
Oh sorry
An Italian in the service of Spain

>>941124691
You're right. Go south west to till you hit the currents and follow it is a route though. And it was a very good one.

Your map has a lot of different currents on it, turns out that knowing them and where they go is a route.

>>941124682
>narice
dumb featherjeet can't even spell
>from militarily
yeah they taught a lot of what not to do
>socially (our constitution had inspiration from the Iroquois, amongst others)
didn't happen
>various agricultural practices.
No, Americans do not practice slash and burn agriculture
>Yeah let's celebrate a Spaniard who's not even celebrated in Spain
Not a Spaniard.

>>941107602 (OP)
>Christopher Columbus is SO back
The Whitehouse has a Twitter account, or sorry an X account, sounds like it’s run by some Reddit zoomer who is trying to troll people. Just nuke this whole fucking place

>>941124383
>This was just the one that stuck because it wound up getting noble support.
Which coincidentally happened at the same time as the conpernican revolution.

We should rename the country to Trumpland.

>>941124760
Nope.
>>941124716
>Once is an accident. Twice is a route
If he wound up in the same place twice I'd agree, but he didn't.
>bro if you follow my route you can wind up anywhere in a roughly 1000 mile circle and potentially die of starvation because you have no idea where you're going to hit land!
Is not a route.

>>941124839
>wind up anywhere in a roughly 1000 mile circle and potentially die of starvation
newfags cant gulf stream

>>941124839
>If he wound up in the same place twice I'd agree, but he didn't.
He did. He wound up in the carribeans each time.
That's a route. A transatlantic route. Knowing currents is like knowing roads, the difference is that he was the first one using them.

>>941124780
Yes, that is a coincidence.
>copernican revolution
lol

>>941124929
>Knowing currents is like knowing roads
No, it's not. because roads take you to a definite location, whereas a current will not.
>He wound up in the carribeans each time.
Yes, he wound up in an absolutely gigantic area with no real idea of where he was.

That's why later explorers actually made maps and created precise routes, so you could wind up in the same place each time. Sailing across the planet and winding up hundreds of miles away from your target is not a route.

>>941124997
>That's why later explorers actually made maps and created precise routes, so you could wind up in the same place each time.
You're absolutely right. That's what happens when you expand on the existing routes.

>>941125068
No, that's what happens when someone plots a route.

>>941125132
You're absolutely right. But the route was still there before you plotted it. After that, you expanded on it.

>>941125173
>But the route was still there
No it wasn't. The route doesn't exist until someone records the directions to arrive at a location.
>After that, you expanded on it.
No.

>>941124949
>Yes, that is a coincidence.
No, it isn't. It's a basic principle in both economics and biology, exploration vs. exploitation. When new opportunities are available, you engage in exploration and when they aren't, you exploit. Age of exploration was literally that, new opportunities to galvanize and seize power.

>>941125242
Yes, it is. That's why they same concepts and revolutions had happened over and over again in the same area until eventually they succeeded. It wasn't because someone said "hey actually we found plants from somewhere else" because that wasn't anything new.

>>941125216
>The route doesn't exist until someone records the directions to arrive at a location.
The route exists as long as people can tell you where to go and what to follow.
How to get to the americas:
Follow these currents.

That's a route, no matter how much you want to claim it isn't.

>>941125272
But he didn't say it was to get to the Americas. No route, no indies, sorry anon.

>>941114460
the right cant meme

>>941125268
>It wasn't because someone said "hey actually we found plants from somewhere else" because that wasn't anything new.
Except it was new, it radically transformed cuisine and agriculture in europe in an extraordiarily short time frame.

>>941125306
>But he didn't say it was to get to the Americas.
But he did say it was to cross the atlantic.
Hence, transatlantic route.

>>941107602 (OP)
He also knew the date of the blood moon eclipse, so he told the natives to worship him or he would turn the moon red. When it turned red a few days later they thought for sure he was a god and did whatever he said

>>941124767
Right that's why numerous generals under Washington were unamused he kept trying to fight like the British because they already learned how to fight irregularly during the Indian wars, because how stupid they thought they were. Brilliant counter by you, a dotjeet.
>Americans didn't refernce the iron confederacy
Right John adams didn't reference it in the literal handbook for the constitution he printed.
>agriculture
Damn guess settlers just magically figured out squash beans and corn. Us whites just can't stop using osmosis.
>Spaniard
Yeah I corrected it already.
If you spent as.much time learning instead of making bait threads you'd know these.

>>941124929
He made a route so good everyone used the Portuguese ones
Brilliant, how did he know to follow the ports half the way?

>>941125317
No, it actually took quite a long while, at this time the potato was literally just considered an ornamental plant.

Meanwhile England was cultivating saffron from Persia.

>>941125477
>No, it actually took quite a long while
A couple hundred years isn't that long and certainly answers your other question of how his journey caused revolutions hundreds of years after.
If we're talking about potential economic or scientific prospects, though, that travels as fast as word of mouth.

>>941125430
>Right John adams didn't reference it in the literal handbook for the constitution he printed.
Correct, he did not. Please, do cite anything Adams wrote which supports your claim.
>Damn guess settlers just magically figured out squash beans and corn
Yes, believe it or not Europeans did know how to grow plants! Corn is a grain like any other, the only thing novel about it to colonists was how large the seeds are. They had gourds as well (bottle gourd) so squash was nothing new either. Legumes likewise were not new, with Europeans cultivating fava beans, peas, and lentils. No, Europeans did not need to be taught that to make plants grow you plant their seeds, we had figured that one out a few thousand years prior. "muh three sisters" was just a new type of crop to Europeans, nothing was learned, a new plant was obtained.

I see the featherjeet comment caused some butthurt, sorry my treenigger.

>>941125604
>A couple hundred years isn't that long and certainly answers your other question of how his journey caused revolutions hundreds of years after.
"Oh my god the lord nearby has this plant in his garden, time for a revolution!"
lol

>>941125474
>made a route so good everyone used the Portuguese on
A route so good it was built off the knowledge is sailing southwest to take advantage of the currents.

>>941125653
John Adams noted “the form of government of the ancient Germans and modern Indians…the existence of three divisions of power is marked with a precision that excludes all controversy".

>>941125653
>corn is a grain
Holy fuck you have never set foot in America 100%, kill yourself Ramja.

>>941125653
Corn is not a grain you fucking dipshit keks.

>>941125678
More like "Hey, there's opportunities to seize arable land and establish our own land if the powers that be don't follow our demands" and sentiments like that growing stronger over time.

>>941125824
>>941125866
Corn is grass, and therefore a grain.

>>941125866
>>941125824
...Corn is 100% a grain. Jesus christ you're retarded. No need to samefag you illiterate savage redskin retard. Holy shit the fetal alcohol syndrome from your crackwhore mother is so bad you can't even google before you samefag up the thread trying to prove how stupid you are.
>>941125796
George Washington said "All featherjeets are niggers, but not all niggers are featherjeets."

Cite your quote or it's meaningless

>>941125942
And to you rice is the same as wheat to plant and manage. Clearly you are speaking out your ass.

>>941125979
>Jeet is triggered
No one considers it a grain but retards using ai to speak English. Moreso a vegetable anyways.
The quotes from the pamphlet I already stated. I'm not going to waste my time with a troll anymore. I provided a quote, you provided rage at losing. GG, no RE Ramja.

>>941125997
Corn isn't that much different to grow or harvest than wheat and survives in pretty much the same conditions. Figuring out what to do with it after that is just trial and error, and not a lot of it.

>>941125997
Rice is a grain, yes. Glad you looked it up and realized you were wrong. Let me guess, your retard illiterate stone age savage redskin ass thought it was a "vegetable"
>>941126050
It's a grain. Everyone knows it's a grain but you retard featherjeet.
>from that pamphlet
What pamphlet? You don't have a source, because it doesn't exist. He never said that. It's a made up quote by some other savage illiterate subhuman like you.

>>941126050
>No one considers it a grain but retards using ai to speak English.
You clearly haven't brewed before.

>>941126050
>No one considers it a grain but retards using ai to speak English. Moreso a vegetable anyways.
Oh holy fuck you did think it's a vegetable lmao, you probably think vegetable is a type of plant holy shit that's so cute, what a fucking retard.

>>941110687
This, the shouldn't be a Indigenous People's day, because the only reason it's recorded in history was because on this day was because of the Europeans. We made the calendar and recorded it to this day, and kept the record. If you wanna give the day to them, base it off of the work they did to commemorate it

>>941124039
Thank you, I learned something.
Worth knowing but probably not useful in context, but I'm still glad you shared it. I mean that.

>>941125997
To further beat you up with your retardation, rice can be grown the exact same as wheat, yes. That is how it was originally done. Rice does not naturally grow in paddies, it's not like native to swamps or something. The flooding of rice fields was done intentionally and had to be done to plants that had already sprouted and grown to a degree. It's done that way for weed and pest control, since the rice will keep growing once the rice paddy is flooded, but other plants and most pests won't be able to live in it. If you try to just plant rice underwater it will die. It won't work.

Corn was considered a grain by the colonists. That's why they called it corn. In English, corn used to be a generic word for any kind of grain. So yes, the colonists did 100% know corn was a grain and treat it as such, that's why they called it corn. Since English is a fucked up fusion of Latin(French) and German, we have two words for grain/corn. Corn, which is the German one, and Grain, which is Latin derived. In German they still just call grain as korn.

In other words, you are wrong on all levels. Linguistically, historically, and biologically, corn is grain.

>>941110016
Yep. They're indoctrination camps.

>>941126584
Corporate america needs warm bodies running on corporate treadmills all day every day so that the 35-40 people who own most of the country can live like kings. Thinking or being intelligent interferes with being a treadmill prisoner.

>>941111020
Ah the fucking ending got me

>>941126080
You can't freak out at being called jeet and then think we don't know, Ramja. And anon is right calling it a grain and referencing brewing reeks of someone pulling an ai list over what we would call it. Would be weird to call it a grain normally, it's just corn. Nor is corn "just like wheat" by your definition almost every crop is just like X. And yes, corn is not a vegetable that anon is wrong there. It can be considered a fruit but again, that would be weird to call it that.
>>941126458
besides the reddit spacing, and the fact no one here cares about rice, a settler referencing something as a grain doesn't make it so. Or is buckwheat a cereal? Yes but really no.
These are all things if you weren't typing with curryshit stained hands you' would know,
God they really are not sending their best. Anyways, fuck that crypto kike Columbus. Even his contemporaries thought he was a sack of shit.

>>941127091
Nice try savage retard, but you are wrong and your AI quote failed.

Corn is a grain. Not only did they call it a grain, it biologically is one. You are wrong on every level, and are a fucking retard.
>uh hurdur an automobile isn't a car! haha!
Literally you.

>>941127091
>besides the reddit spacing, and the fact no one here cares about rice, a settler referencing something as a grain doesn't make it so. Or is buckwheat a cereal? Yes but really no.
1) Reddit spacing is a meme made up by redditors. People have been posting that way here longer than reddit existed.
2) Corn is a grain because it's a grass you harvest fruit from. It's a caryopsis. So are wheat and rice. These three are staple crops for good reason.

>>941127091
Why are you even coming back for more? You're not smart enough to argue with white people.

>>941127091

This fucking idiot doesn't even know what redditspacing is lmao

>>941107602 (OP)
Donald Trump is Vladimir Putin's bitch.

The samefagging bait here's pretty fucking low quality, thank God Trump's keeping then out of my country.