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Anonymous No.941141443 >>941141562 >>941141731 >>941142056 >>941142782 >>941142888 >>941142941 >>941143454 >>941144194 >>941145387 >>941150992 >>941152660 >>941154928 >>941155608 >>941158879 >>941160818
Democrats do not have the votes to pass their health care bill in the House or Senate

Schumer [and pretty much every Democrat in elected office minus the handful of competent ones,"You either vote for our bill or we don't open the government..."

democracy...
Anonymous No.941141562 >>941141647 >>941141708 >>941141975 >>941145652
>>941141443 (OP)
Anonymous No.941141647 >>941145299 >>941156531
>>941141562
Democrats so desperate to deflect from all of their failures.
Anonymous No.941141708 >>941143164 >>941145299 >>941156531
>>941141562
classic democrat reply... a meme..

this was the response during the ENTIRE 4 YEARS of incompetence of the Biden administration..

facts, laws, statistics, global news articles, reality... meaningless to a Democrat...
Anonymous No.941141731 >>941141823 >>941141903 >>941142987 >>941143213 >>941149009 >>941149031
>>941141443 (OP)
Republicans are holding the federal workers hostage by trying to pass absurd budgets and blame the democrats for not being pushovers, like usual
Anonymous No.941141823 >>941146359
>>941141731
where are you?

where do you live?

what fantasy world do Democrats live in?

Can you share your position via text?
Anonymous No.941141903 >>941142823 >>941145239 >>941151675 >>941154447 >>941162107
>>941141731
You do realize it is the Democrats who want to SPEND AN ADDITIONAL 1.2 TRILLION AND WILL NOT OPEN GOVERNMENT UNLESS THE HOUSE, SENATE, AND PRESIDENT PASS THEIR SPENDING BILL...

but no no no no no.. it's Republicans holding the federal workforce hostage......


liberal logic.. and a man can get pregnant...
Anonymous No.941141975
>>941141562
uh oh
Anonymous No.941142056
>>941141443 (OP)
what you're doing is arguing over the script of a professional wrestling event
Anonymous No.941142088 >>941145270
"we don't understand why you Americans hold this hostages prisoner... just give in to our demands.. it was your fault the previous 3 were executed..."

democrat logic....
Anonymous No.941142711
"we will wait..we will wait..we will wait..."

*yawns*
Anonymous No.941142741
GIZMO
Anonymous No.941142782 >>941143994
>>941141443 (OP)
Anonymous No.941142823 >>941142925
>>941141903
Take your meds
Anonymous No.941142888 >>941142952 >>941144038 >>941156664 >>941159006 >>941160736
>>941141443 (OP)
We desperately need a third party. Democrats have showed themselves to be completely incompetent either because of stupidity or intentional negligence. And republicans are complete fucking idiots.

Bernie or someone needs to start a new party for everyone that hates dems AND hates republicans and refuses to ever vote for either of them again
Anonymous No.941142925 >>941143140 >>941149051
>>941142823
You need new material, rabbi. Remember we talked about this.
Anonymous No.941142941 >>941142975 >>941144145 >>941153778
>>941141443 (OP)
>dems shutting down trump's corrupt government if it doesn't provide its citizens healthcare

Surprisingly based for democrats.
Anonymous No.941142952 >>941143919
>>941142888
Waste of trips.
Anonymous No.941142975 >>941143090 >>941165980
>>941142941
Spending the US into a hole. Also the pedocrats are holding out for medicaid for illegals.
Anonymous No.941142987 >>941143070 >>941144145 >>941162186
>>941141731
Dems are not fighting for new benefits, they are fighting for a continuation of tax credits to ACA healthcare plans. Without those, health insurance becomes too expensive to millions who have ACA plans. The burden shifts to states and individuals which realistically throws millions off of their healthcare plans. Ironically this hurts people in red states the most.

Republicans are fighting to kill the ACA credits as soon as possible in order to further the project 2025 agenda which seeks to eliminate as much of the ACA as possible.

Dems are fighting for the poor working class who need health insurance, Republicans are lighting for the Heritage foundation and the billionaire who pump money into it.
Anonymous No.941143070 >>941143114 >>941143802 >>941149048
>>941142987
37 trillion in debt and counting.
Anonymous No.941143090
>>941142975
In order,
You're thinking of Republicans, projection, straight up lie.

No wonder yall prefer your 'alternative facts'
Anonymous No.941143114 >>941143228 >>941144145
>>941143070
Stop voting red then dumbass
Anonymous No.941143140 >>941143280 >>941143312 >>941149092
>>941142925
Ivan, your talking points are out of date. Jews love Trump. Please see your supervisor for the latest scripts.
Anonymous No.941143164
>>941141708
Nah, we called you retarded and DJT a grifter too.

Democrats were right about everything.
Anonymous No.941143213 >>941143303 >>941143368 >>941143943
>>941141731
>Republicans are holding the federal workers hostage
Republicans just want to pass a clean CR, they aren't the ones refusing to pass it so they can push for more benefits for illegals
the majority that wants to re-open the government aren't the ones holding anyone hostage, that's not how anything works
Anonymous No.941143228 >>941144935
>>941143114
Anonymous No.941143280 >>941144139
>>941143140
Anonymous No.941143303 >>941143335 >>941143395 >>941149108
>>941143213
Anonymous No.941143312
>>941143140
..
Anonymous No.941143335 >>941143382 >>941144155
>>941143303
The left cant meme.
Anonymous No.941143368
>>941143213
This.

/thread
Anonymous No.941143382
>>941143335
u mad?
Anonymous No.941143395 >>941143495
>>941143303
Anonymous No.941143454
>>941141443 (OP)
Why do you care if federal workers don't get paid? It feels contradictory that you're proud to affirm that you don't give a fuck about the people who won't be able to afford health care because Trump prefers to give that money to fund israel (which DOES have free healthcare btw), yet at the same time you cry for the poor workers who don't get paid, even though they all knew that shutdowns can happen and do happen all the time.

Is it just plain hypocrisy? Or is it because the shutdown affects you *personally* and that's why you're so mad, but you're a retarded zoomer and therefore you're unable to realize that making healthcare worse might be even worse for you? I sincerely hope that your mailman dad will get his wage back soon so you can keep freeloading a few more years, AND you'll get cancer. It sure will be funny. :)
Anonymous No.941143495 >>941143559 >>941144216 >>941147022 >>941149127
>>941143395
it's just some money to keep some affordable health care for poor people
cutting this is going to have an effect on the whole health care insurance industry, causing prices for everyone to rise
and so some billionaires can further loot the country? nah man fuck you and fuck elon musk and all you filthy dirty niggers
Anonymous No.941143559 >>941144270 >>941144321 >>941144321 >>941146558
>>941143495
>causing prices for everyone to rise
ACA already did that
Anonymous No.941143802
>>941143070
Most from Bush and Trump.

So CBO says the credits will cost 330 billion over the next 10 years. 33B per year should be chump change with the way Trump is taxing consumers with tariffs. Why shouldn't we get some value out of the taxes we pay?
Anonymous No.941143919
>>941142952
I'm right, shill

from now on I'm voting 3rd party or bust FOREVER
Anonymous No.941143943 >>941144059
>>941143213
>benefits for illegals
I don't know why you Trumptards think anyone believes this blatant lie.
Anonymous No.941143994 >>941144112 >>941146359 >>941146784 >>941162746
>>941142782
the House is not in cession... so the Speaker will not recall the House and hold a SPECIAL CESSION to appoint a new Congressional representative....

I truly DO NOT understand how uneducated and uninformed your AVERAGE Democrat is..

reading through threads and just reading INCOMPETENCE... blurted out in replies...
Anonymous No.941144038 >>941144137 >>941144182
>>941142888
Fuck Bernie Sanders. Old fucks like him are relics that are entirely out of touch with reality and need to be forced into retirement. Let him give speechs to the pigeons.
Anonymous No.941144059 >>941144129 >>941144156 >>941144262 >>941145767
>>941143943
how is it a lie when the Democrats said it themselves?
why aren't Democrats just voting to pass a clean CR to re-open the government?
Anonymous No.941144112
>>941143994
the word is "session" you retarded yapper
Anonymous No.941144117
As for Democrats trying to strongarm anyone into signing their shitty illegal-immigrant-loving bill using a downed fed as leverage is quintessential delussion.
Anonymous No.941144129 >>941144262
>>941144059
explain the process for getting aca tax credits as an illegal aliens
Anonymous No.941144137 >>941144223
>>941144038
that's why he's so popular with real normal people

the fact is you're a mentally ill dimwit
Anonymous No.941144139
>>941143280
people, please, can we all just come together in support of pedophiles?
Anonymous No.941144145 >>941144267 >>941144308
>>941143114
dumb..

>>941142987
dumb

>>941142941
dumb

Democrats are ABOUT SPENDING

THERE HASNT BEEN A DEMOCRAT

REDUCTION IN THE BUDGET IN MULTI DECADES


PERIOD


FULL STOP
Anonymous No.941144155
>>941143335
no one can meme anymore everything is ass life fucking sucks the world is shit fuck you
Anonymous No.941144156
>>941144059
Because in the modern age and its slough of circumstances, any representatives NOT actually reading the fucking bills, needs to be fired.
Anonymous No.941144182 >>941144316
>>941144038
yeah I was just using him as an example since he seems popular but I also gave up on him years ago
Anonymous No.941144194
>>941141443 (OP)
Because Republicans never did this?
Anonymous No.941144216
>>941143495
NO HEALTH CARE FOR ILLEGAL ALIENS!!!

DONT LET 20 MILLION IN KNOWING THERE IS NO HOUSING, HEALTHCARE OR EDUCATION FOR THEM!!!!
DONT ALLOW IT TO HAPPEN THEN RAISE MY TAXES!!!!!
Anonymous No.941144223
>>941144137
>he's popular vecause he's out of touch with reality
>normal people
Fuck you brainlet sheep. You don't have any inclination as to what's actually happening in the world, or behind the veneer in the rotting framework of society. Go sit the fuck down, because your bullshit will never triumph where people are actually looking for the truth.
Anonymous No.941144262 >>941144364 >>941144479 >>941144500
>>941144059
>democrats said it themselves

you got any proof of that, other than some magatard shill intentionally misconstruing 'everyone' to include illegals?

I'm also with this dude:
>>941144129

Tell us how to get benefits without citizenship, or shut the fuck up forever
Anonymous No.941144267 >>941144286
>>941144145
You sound like a low information voter who is a product of online culture.
Anonymous No.941144270 >>941144321 >>941144321 >>941144349 >>941144752
>>941143559
YOU DONT HAVE THE VOTES SO YOU HOLD THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT HOSTAGE TO FORCE THE HOUSE, SENATE, AND PRESIDENT TO PASS 1.2 TRILLION IN SPENDING!!!!'


THERE IS NO INTENTION ON REDUCING THE DEFICIT BY A DEMOCRAT


PERIOD


FULL STOP
Anonymous No.941144286
>>941144267
hoodwinked
Anonymous No.941144308 >>941144347
>>941144145
What is:
>the Clinton administration and the rare budget surplus

Please deposit your cope in the (you) you are about to give me.
Anonymous No.941144316 >>941144335
>>941144182
Poor example. You know who might be a good example though; General Randy A. George.
>received a master's degree in economics from the Colorado School of Mines and a master's in international security studies from the Naval War College
Anonymous No.941144321
>>941144270
>>941144270
>>941143559
>>941143559

Total MIGA Death
Anonymous No.941144335 >>941144440
>>941144316
>Poor example.
blow it out your ass.
Anonymous No.941144347
>>941144308
THIS. The NWO marred Clinton's Legacy, because he was actually good. They kept Hilary out, because they FEARED her.
Anonymous No.941144349
>>941144270
Maybe if you type in all caps and reddit-space more we'll believe you
Anonymous No.941144364 >>941144508
>>941144262
>intentionally misconstruing 'everyone' to include illegals
there's no misconstruing anything, she was asked point blank, and she specifically worded it that way to avoid actually answering honestly
Anonymous No.941144440 >>941145178
>>941144335
Aw, sorry I hurt your little fee-fees calling out the stupid assed bullshit namedroping, or trying to prop up, old man Sanders. I'd rather blow it out my ass than take it like a political whore and hold it in like you, brainless faggot.
Anonymous No.941144479 >>941144557
>>941144262
>Tell us how to get benefits without citizenship
how are illegals getting RealID CDL's issued to them with "No Name Given"?
how are they getting registered to vote and becoming school superintendents as illegals?
that shouldn't be happening and yet it is
Anonymous No.941144500 >>941144557
>>941144262
Don't play that, "the system works" card, that shit is absolutely not valid on any level, in any debate, at any point, and there are no exceptions.
Anonymous No.941144508
>>941144364
you should probably use your full brain and consider that when a politician talks about 'everyone': they are talking about americans, retard.

Then again: You're an agitprop bot, so...

This kinda propaganda most likely works well on slavs.
Anonymous No.941144557 >>941144676 >>941144873
>>941144479
>thing #1 that doesn't actually happen
>thing #2 that doesn't actually happen

>>941144500
So...no proof? From either of you retards?
Anonymous No.941144676 >>941144869
>>941144557
Oh, you think you a heavy hitter? Nigger, our house mate was a fucking illegal. Granted, what the other anon said about non names given and becoming superintendants, that is bullshit that never happened, but if you think illegals don't get legal papers through illegal channels, then you're an oblivious idiot. No further proof needed dumbass.
Anonymous No.941144752 >>941144826 >>941145239 >>941145270
>>941144270
the majority of the Senate is Republican, they need a handful of votes from Democrats to pass a CR and re-open the government
the Democrats are the ones refusing to pass a CR, which means they are the ones holding everyone hostage, by definition
there's no other way around it, that is the reality, and typing in all caps doesn't change it
Anonymous No.941144809
Full disclaimer, I'm a coming down to play T-ball with the little leaguers. I'll be happy to sign autographs and let you take a picture with me.
Anonymous No.941144826
>>941144752
This.
Anonymous No.941144869 >>941144993
>>941144676
> more things that didn't happen
>"b-but dude they totally did! my housema--"
NON-AMERICAN DETECTED
OPINION DISREGARDED
FUCK OFF BOT! A DEMOCRAT IS SPEAKING!
Anonymous No.941144873 >>941144952
>>941144557
what do you mean doesn't happen? there's been multiple stories recently of these exact things happening
why blatantly lie like that?
Anonymous No.941144935
>>941143228
Ah so you lied and don't actually care about the deficit, got it
Anonymous No.941144952 >>941145006 >>941145096
>>941144873
Then surely you could post one of these stories, and it won't be from some bullshit Newsmax/Faux News/YourFavoriteRetardedPodcaster source?

>"hurrr everyone is talkin' 'bout it!"

Clearly it's only you retards making shit up amongst yourselves while the rest of us say, "yeah. nah."
Anonymous No.941144993
>>941144869
No, eat a dick. I'm Texan. We're on the fucking border of Mexico. Whatever liberal dumbass state you come from wouldn't have half the relevant perspective of the matter.
Anonymous No.941145006 >>941145115
>>941144952
why do you speak so confidently about things you obviously know nothing about? you aren't even aware of what is happening in the world, but feel strongly enough to say things haven't happened that obviously have, but you're pretending they didn't because of how bad that would look
Anonymous No.941145096 >>941145151
>>941144952
>it's not happening if the left-wing media that supports what's happening doesn't talk about it
Anonymous No.941145115 >>941145208
>>941145006
>"You aren't even aware of all these things that never happened!"

Funny, that.

If they happened: You would show proof.
No proof? No happening.

Eat shit and die.
Anonymous No.941145151 >>941145287
>>941145096
Let me guess: All news is "Fake Leftwing News" except for your favorite pillow salesman news outlet?

Perhaps Faux News? News so real they defend themselves as entertainment in count?

You got any other good jokes? These are lame.
Anonymous No.941145178 >>941145234
>>941144440
Okay, I don't care.
Anonymous No.941145208 >>941147399
>>941145115
the fact that you claim you don't know about them at all and never even heard of them tells me you're lying and are feigning ignorance and have no interest in any honest discussion
Anonymous No.941145234 >>941145924
>>941145178
Apparently enough to reply. Fade it harder. If you got skills, then get in the mosh pit and use them. Don't get distracted by bullshit.
Anonymous No.941145239
>>941144752
>by definition
see this >>941141903
Anonymous No.941145270
>>941144752
see >>941142088
Anonymous No.941145287 >>941145346 >>941147399
>>941145151
>All news is "Fake Leftwing News" except for your favorite pillow salesman news outlet?
not at all, but the fact you don't know what's being reference means you're either lying, or the only sources you ever consume are so far left that they are so heavily censored they completely filter out what's actually going on in the world
Anonymous No.941145299
>>941141647
>>941141708
>COPE
release the files.
Anonymous No.941145346 >>941145430
>>941145287
>hurr duurrrrrr all you do is consume far-left media!
>no - i'm never going to present proof to my claims!
>just gonna sit here with my Trumptard-approved script that says "throw shit and screech 'communist' or 'antifa' until I feel like i've won"

enjoy that, retard
Anonymous No.941145387
>>941141443 (OP)

Its all comes down to the President- even Trump admits it.
Anonymous No.941145407
Try this T-ballers, try having a conversation on topic, without dropping any buzz words. Take a deep breath and swing for the fences.
Anonymous No.941145430 >>941145483 >>941145489
>>941145346
there's no way you're even from this country, why do you care so much about our politics?
Anonymous No.941145439
It's a Republican shut down and Milhouse should really stop hitting himself...
Anonymous No.941145483
>>941145430
Because what they also won't admit is that U.S. matters do in fact affect the rest of the world. They may not like it, but we're important to their ways of life.
Anonymous No.941145489 >>941145562 >>941145611
>>941145430
buddy you are the samefag who got caught red-handed saying 'housemates' as you cosplay an American, shut the fuck up boy.
Anonymous No.941145562 >>941145592 >>941146348
>>941145489
No, I'm the Texan that lived with an illegal. ...and if you want to challenege that and talk shit,
Anonymous No.941145592 >>941145609
>>941145562
Here, let me help you kids out.
Jose Conseco No.941145609
>>941145592
Anonymous No.941145611 >>941145654
>>941145489
you're confusing me with someone else, I've never in my life said "housemates" even when I didn't live alone, we normally say roommates in this country
Anonymous No.941145652
>>941141562
Jose Conseco No.941145654 >>941146388 >>941147459
>>941145611
I sppecified "housemate" because he was invited to live with my family by my stepdad. "Roomate" implies that I had any say in it.
Anonymous No.941145767 >>941145911 >>941146008 >>941146103 >>941149287
>>941144059
Illegal immies can't enroll in ACA or get Federal Medicaid/Medicare funds. That's been the law for, well, since Medicaid/Medicare came about. The only way an immie would get federal funds, indirectly, would be if they go to an emergency room and are treated (that's a Reagan era law that says hospitals have to treat everyone that shows up with an urgent condition) or if federal funds earmarked for state use are used to treat immies (ie in NYC at detention and state and county jails).
Anonymous No.941145911 >>941145989 >>941147505
>>941145767
>illegal things can't happen, it's against the law
>identity fraud doesn't exist
Anonymous No.941145924 >>941146059
>>941145234
I'm extremely bored with nothing to do so I'm lurking hard rn tbqhwys
Anonymous No.941145989 >>941146101 >>941147198
>>941145911
>HELP! IM BEING ROBBED AND STABBED!!!
>HAHA well uhm heh, ackshuallyyy, robbery and stabbing is illegal in Liberal City, and we do our utmost to be one of the safest cities in america, in fact...
>guy is dead
Jose Conseco No.941146008
>>941145767
>Illegals can't get Medicaid/Medicare
You're an oblivious idiot and your ignorance is dimissed.
Jose Conseco No.941146059 >>941146394
>>941145924
>lurking
Jose Conseco No.941146101 >>941146433
>>941145989
based
Anonymous No.941146103 >>941149308
>>941145767
Anonymous No.941146348 >>941146614
>>941145562
>no, that's my other personality!
>he says, pretending to be texan and tough

lol, lmao even

...I'm not getting that 'proof' am I? That stuff you claim is 'everywhere' but you can't post any?

I'm just going to get your American-Toughguy-Larping?
Anonymous No.941146359 >>941146455
>>941141823
Interesting. So you you are telling me that the Republicans could pass their budget but aren't, in order to blame the Democrats.

>>941143994
The House is always in session (not cession, Ivan) unless they call for a recess. It is not a special session. Being in session is the default, unless the speaker calles for a recess. Therefore, Speaker Johnson is actively stopping the swearing in of an elected official in order to not hold a vote.
Anonymous No.941146388 >>941146753
>>941145654
Nobody in America has ever called anyone they live with outside of their control "Housemate".

You lying faggot.

Leave the thread.
Anonymous No.941146394 >>941146780
>>941146059
oh sorry for bumping this SHIT thread and actually responding, I'll ignore you from now on FOREVER

GOODBYE
Anonymous No.941146433 >>941146802
>>941146101
blow it out your ass, jimbob

I came here to eat ass and chew gum, and I'm all out of ass
Anonymous No.941146455 >>941146784 >>941147357
>>941146359
dems want things for illegals... majority of the US voted to stop that shit...

republicans are doing the will of the majority

guess its only democracy when democrats get their way only?
Anonymous No.941146558
>>941143559
Post ACA, Health insurance prices have risen at approximately 70% of the rate they rose in the 15 years prior to ACA passing.

Either way, the US health care system sucks and I would gladly support any Republican or democrat or anyone else who came up with a solution and got it passed.
Jose Conseco No.941146614 >>941146837 >>941147283
>>941146348
Alright faggot. 1)Fuck you for being an annoying retard. 2) I am Texan, it's not the kind of bullshit larp you love to engage in. 3) It is everywhere and if it was so easy for me to just tsrat posting proof, don't you think the federal agencies with far more resources than I would have a much easier time cleaning it up as per their mandates? No, you're not getting proof, because common knowledge matters are generally accepted and require no such. Unacceptance of that is a clear sign that you're a manipulative moron trying to push some idiotic rhetoric and/or agenda. Go Jew somewhere the fuck else with that bullshit.
Jose Conseco No.941146753 >>941146891 >>941147283
>>941146388
If it makes any sense to you, I'm a liberal moderate. Nomenclature and identity politics is imporatnt to me. I wasn't born in Texas, but I'm Texan af.

>prove it
The state fair used to be one of the biggest events here for decades. 6 Countries have tried laying claim to us and either got fucked or learned how to play fucking ball. We're part of the United States right now, but outside of name, we're barely united with any of these liberal hellholes or the government that is consistently fucking up in our view. We were ordered to copen the border and said
>"Fuck you civil war larpers come at us."
Jose Conseco No.941146780 >>941147156
>>941146394
>sorry for bumping this shit thread
Anonymous No.941146784
>>941146455
1 - Democracy does not mean Majority rule
2 - Trump did not get a majority of the popular vote
3 - You have been fed a plate of lies and are gobbling it up

4 - what does your post have to do with the fact that Republicans have enough votes to pass a budget but aren't

5 - What does your post have to do with the fact that >>941143994
has no idea what they are talking about?
Jose Conseco No.941146802 >>941147280
>>941146433
top kek and mah nigga.
Anonymous No.941146837 >>941146887
>>941146614
>fag detected
Jose Conseco No.941146887
>>941146837
Level up brainlet.
Anonymous No.941146891 >>941146973
>>941146753
tell me about the alamo pappy
Jose Conseco No.941146973 >>941146999
>>941146891
Santa Anna came to assert dominance. outnumbered like a motherfucker, Texans killed way more Mexicans than he expected to lose. They won the battle, but they lost the war.
Jose Conseco No.941146999
>>941146973
The Alamo is ours in case people didn't know.
Anonymous No.941147022 >>941147066 >>941147348
>>941143495
You realize people won't magically be able to afford more expensive healthcare right? So when those insurance companies suddenly lose a large portion of their profits, they'll be more willing to work out a more affordable option to keep making money. People like you and the other leftards really can't think more than two steps forward can you?
Jose Conseco No.941147041
Anonymous No.941147045
>their health care bill
they are trying to stop huge cuts to health care that will make it even less available... why do americans hate life? why are they such gluttons for being fucked over?
Jose Conseco No.941147066 >>941147348
>>941147022
based. It's the "free market" at work.
Anonymous No.941147156 >>941147317
>>941146780
oh im sorry i thought this was america BITCH
Anonymous No.941147198
>>941145989
>>HELP! IM BEING ROBBED AND STABBED!!!
by NIGGERS!
Anonymous No.941147280 >>941147360
>>941146802
*throws flashbang at you*
Anonymous No.941147283 >>941147440 >>941147491
>>941146614
1) haha mad
2) spare me: Texans are already LARPing
3) so... no proof?

Just cope?

>>941146753
Damn bro both your samefag characters are Texans?

Spare me your Texan toughguy roleplay. You begged the US to come save you from Mexicans after you got your ass beat.
Jose Conseco No.941147317
>>941147156
Anonymous No.941147348 >>941147440 >>941147817
>>941147022
>>941147066
Interestingly, this is how the market worked prior to ACA and also interestingly, premiums rose at a faster rate than after ACA.

It's almost as if these arguments have historical proof that they are wrong.

I am all for someone fixing US health care, but your premise is incorrect and will not help. It will mean more people will go to hospitals needing more care and without insurance, driving the hospitals out of business (at least the rural ones in red areas)
Anonymous No.941147357 >>941164863 >>941166266 >>941166450
>>941146455
>dems want things for illegals..
i never knew this and it's pissing me off now wtf
Jose Conseco No.941147360
>>941147280
Anonymous No.941147399 >>941147443
>>941145208
>>941145287
He's aware of the lies you've been told to repeat, and that they're lies.
You're moving the goalposts cuz you've been cornered
Jose Conseco No.941147440 >>941148974
>>941147348
The reasons that shit didn't work then is because of different circumstances. The NWO was in full swing and artifical stimulants were rampant. In case you hadn't noticed, that shit got chainsawed. Without a golden parachute, these fucks will lose billions and damned well will be begging to reach a compromise.

>>941147283
>picrel
>Stay mad
Anonymous No.941147443 >>941147654
>>941147399
what goalposts were moved? he suggested he had no idea what was being referenced, which is the opposite of being aware of something
Anonymous No.941147459 >>941147578
>>941145654
Lol nice try, gonna pretend to be someone from a blue state next?
Jose Conseco No.941147491 >>941148974
>>941147283
>You begged the US to come save you from Mexicans

Yes, I will sustain that point. Back then the U.S. was a good and honest nation willing to come to the rescue and fight for freedom, but if you want to go down that road with me, you're gonna have to prove this nation still maintains that same nobility.
>protip: You can't.
Anonymous No.941147505 >>941147574
>>941145911
So you admit illegals aren't being given federal funds. At best they're committing identity fraud
Anonymous No.941147574 >>941147693
>>941147505
>At best they're committing identity fraud
do you know what having a stolen identity allows someone to do?
go on, rub those 2 braincells together, you'll get it eventually
Jose Conseco No.941147578 >>941147728
>>941147459
Stfu brainlet. You could comb the moe for 15 years worth of material and never find evidence of me pretending to be something other than Texan in that regard. Go eat some foreskins.
Anonymous No.941147654 >>941147690
>>941147443
Not my interpretation but aight, if that's the case it should be easy to show him the proof he asked for.
Everyone knows you can't take republican's at their word
Jose Conseco No.941147690 >>941147754
>>941147654
I'm not a republican nor a democrat.
Anonymous No.941147693 >>941147713 >>941147838
>>941147574
>why yes I do concede the point and have moved the goalposts.

Thanks, we're done here
Jose Conseco No.941147713
>>941147693
Fail.
Anonymous No.941147728 >>941147784
>>941147578
Hmm that much retardation is good evidence of being from Texas, guess I do believe you!
Anonymous No.941147733
republicans can remove the 60 person senate rule with 51 votes, and then use those same 51 votes to open the government on their own terms.

but these evil rats want democrats on board so that the retarded republicans at the bottom will blame democrats for all the bad shit unfolds. if the republicans remove the 60 vote threshold then they would truly own every single bad thing that happens after passing it.

trump is evil. republicans are demons.
Jose Conseco No.941147752
Alright, I see they're out of steam. /b/ros fighting to hold the lines can celebrate. I'm buying.
Anonymous No.941147754 >>941147799
>>941147690
Oh right, you're not American.
Jose Conseco No.941147784 >>941147850
>>941147728
What you choose to believe or not doesn't affect the facts. Get fucked brainlet.
Jose Conseco No.941147799 >>941147884
>>941147754
>Trolls are but chewing gum for the Rockbitter.
Anonymous No.941147817
>>941147348
And also interesting is that the net profits of health insurance companies dramatically surged after the ACA. Giving them even further billions and more power than ever before. They're not gonna let their profits disappear, and so they'll compromise if need be. The historical proof is all the money they've made off of more people having access to health care. My argument stands.
Anonymous No.941147838 >>941147933
>>941147693
again, what goalposts were moved?
stealing someone's identity allowed you to use benefits you legally wouldn't be able to otherwise
why do you refuse to acknowledge this?
don't answer, we both know why
Anonymous No.941147850 >>941147969
>>941147784
Correct, facts don't care about your feelings.

(Which is funny as that was a popular slogan from the right and they shoulda taken their own advice)
Anonymous No.941147884 >>941148020
>>941147799
Sorry that some UK reference? We Americans ain't gonna get those silly
Anonymous No.941147933 >>941148022
>>941147838
You went from,
illegals are getting Healthcare to,
Illegals are committing identity fraud
Anonymous No.941147969
>>941147850
Everyone should take that slogan to heart.
Anonymous No.941148020 >>941148351
>>941147884
>larping as American
>doesn't get the reference
...just ousted yourself cafe warrior.
Anonymous No.941148022 >>941148240
>>941147933
it's both, how hard is this for you to understand? one is used to get the other
and in some cases they can get healthcare without identify fraud
Anonymous No.941148240 >>941148407 >>941148523
>>941148022
>it's both, how hard is this for you to understand? one is used to get the other
I understand but don't care, by that logic no one should be allowed guns if illegals can steal them/acquire via fraud

>and in some cases they can get healthcare without identify fraud
Ahh trying to move the goalposts again I see, my mistake using the word Healthcare instead of medicaid
Anonymous No.941148351
>>941148020
Just not a decrepit old man ;)
Overrated movie btw
Anonymous No.941148407 >>941148512
>>941148240
>by that logic no one should be allowed guns if illegals can steal them/acquire via fraud
what? no, the logic is, illegals shouldn't be getting any benefits, they should be found and deported, not using taxpayer dollars they shouldn't have any access to
>Ahh trying to move the goalposts again I see
I'm convinced at this point you don't actually know what moving goalposts means, you just see others use it and things it means you can shut down discussion and you automatically win or something
Anonymous No.941148512 >>941148623
>>941148407
>what? no, the logic is, illegals shouldn't be getting any benefits, they should be found and deported, not using taxpayer dollars they shouldn't have any access to

Which they arent, a point you already conceded
Anonymous No.941148523 >>941148579
>>941148240
I'm confused, is medicaid not healthcare benefits or something?
Anonymous No.941148579
>>941148523
All medicaid is Healthcare but not all Healthcare is medicaid.

Illegals can receive 'Healthcare' due to a Regan era law someone mentioned earlier
Anonymous No.941148623 >>941148753
>>941148512
except they are, I didn't concede anything, what are you even talking about?
Anonymous No.941148753 >>941148954
>>941148623
>except they are

Where's the evidence of illegals being on medicaid?
Anonymous No.941148954 >>941149076 >>941149150
>>941148753
pick one of the multiple states that allow you to be on medicaid independent of legal immigration status
Anonymous No.941148974 >>941149094
>>941147440
>>941147491

observe, dear 4chan users, that when pressed for proof: The Trumptard screeches and shits himself, hoping that we will forget that he originally made the claim that illegals could get public services through legal means - yet they could not provide proof.
Anonymous No.941149009
>>941141731
>holding the federal workers hostage
Good. Now we have proof that we don't need them and should be fired.
>trying to pass absurd budgets
The exact came one Democrats passed three times in the past?
Anonymous No.941149031
>>941141731
More lefty lies.
Anonymous No.941149048 >>941149157
>>941143070
>37 trillion in debt and counting.
>ignore the Big Beautiful Bill tho
Anonymous No.941149051
>>941142925
Shut the fuck up, fascist.
Anonymous No.941149076 >>941149173
>>941148954
How strange, you make claims then get wishy washy when asked to back them up with evidence.

Jk, it ain't strange, it's because you're a liar ;)
Anonymous No.941149092 >>941154621
>>941143140
Your "meme" doesn't make any sense btw.
Left can't meme
Anonymous No.941149094 >>941149350
>>941148974
but they can get public services through legal means in many states
they also get them through illegal means, which is an unforced error as they shouldn't be here in the first place
in both cases they are an unwanted drain on resources paid for by citizens and shouldn't be happening at all
Anonymous No.941149108 >>941149231
>>941143303
Left can't meme.
Anonymous No.941149127 >>941149225
>>941143495
MORE LIBSHIT LIES!
Anonymous No.941149150
>>941148954
illegal immigrants are not on medicaid. Quit lying.
Anonymous No.941149157
>>941149048
Nobel voting ends in january, I can almost garuntee he will be on it for next year. I hope he loses it then so it has a bit of meaning to it, this was just proceedure.
Anonymous No.941149173 >>941149220 >>941149368 >>941149448 >>941149474
>>941149076
how strange you refuse to accept reality and verify facts for yourself
Anonymous No.941149220
>>941149173
Hot damn! Only took like 5 asks!

I'm fine with it
Anonymous No.941149225 >>941149387
>>941149127
Did you trade sides when Trump won? I swesr I remember you screeching "CLEETUS" all the way up until the election. I was hoping that dude found a shotgun or played in traffic to be honest.
Anonymous No.941149231
>>941149108
how can you go on the internet and just lie like that
Anonymous No.941149287 >>941149364
>>941145767
Shareblue faggot.
Anonymous No.941149308 >>941149374
>>941146103
>cession
Funded by this shithole of a state, not the Feds. Fuck outta here
Anonymous No.941149350 >>941149448
>>941149094
>through legal means in many states
prove it, faggot. you can't, or you would have

>get them through illegal means
sure, but that's not what you're accusing democrats of allowing, are you?

You retards are claiming that illegals can get benefits through legal means that the democrats are trying to support - but you provide no proof.

Your propaganda doesn't work on the thinking man, retard.
Anonymous No.941149364 >>941149440 >>941149511 >>941150386
>>941149287
well then fuck minnesota and colorado, granola ass blue state hellholes anyway.
Anonymous No.941149368 >>941149480 >>941149553 >>941150229
>>941149173
>none if it is medicaid
>still not a source only a twit
none of this is federal tho. why cant states do what they want?
Anonymous No.941149374
>>941149308
>it doesn't count as illegals getting benefits unless the federal government directly cuts checks to the illegals themselves
fuck outta here
Anonymous No.941149387 >>941149548
>>941149225
Look at the logzi play the sides game and believes everyone else must do it too.
Fucking KYS, fascist.
Anonymous No.941149440 >>941154777
>>941149364
And California and Oregon and every other blue state who provides free healthcare to criminal invaders and gets federal reimbursement.
Anonymous No.941149448
>>941149350
>prove it, faggot. you can't, or you would have
it's amazing how the left willingly refuses to acknowledge or understand facts that they disagree with
see for a non-exhaustive list: >>941149173
>but that's not what you're accusing democrats of allowing, are you?
there should be zero legal means of getting benefits as an illegal, Democrats are the ones who enact these things and continue to advocate for them
Anonymous No.941149474 >>941149598
>>941149173
>states doing things
>after you shill that democrats are trying to explicitly support funding illegals on a federal level

There are just so many signs that you're a bot that I can't pick one.

Should I point at:
> your woeful lack of understanding of the federal/state separation?
> the irony of the republicans who screech 'states rights' bitching as soon as a state does something they dont like?
> the fact that none of these policies intersect with the principle that democrats are defending in this shutdown, namely: funding medicare.

...but please: Post more cope.
Anonymous No.941149480
>>941149368
states rights on healthcare decisions only extended to abortion law, and only if they aligned with conservative values.
Anonymous No.941149511 >>941149550
>>941149364
>blue state hellholes
Repetitive fuck
Anonymous No.941149548
>>941149387
>logzi
I genuinely hope that gains traction for you, its astoundingly retarded.
Anonymous No.941149550 >>941149606
>>941149511
I've lived in red states,
And i've lived in blue states.

Blue is better.
Smarter.
Cleaner.

More expensive, sure, but my roads are maintained and my public services actually function.
Anonymous No.941149553
>>941149368
>why cant states do what they want?
1) states use federal funding for their programs
2) illegals shouldn't be able to use any taxpayer benefits in any way shape or form
Anonymous No.941149562
Anonymous No.941149598 >>941149898
>>941149474
>Post more cope.
the absolute irony
you're basically conceded at this point by saying "well it's not happening because states are doing it, so it doesn't count"
Anonymous No.941149606
>>941149550
>Smarter.
>Cleaner.
Lying fascist.
Anonymous No.941149898 >>941150392
>>941149598
Nah, it's not happening under the conditions that you retards screech about, namely: "Democrats want to give free money away to illegals".

You retards are (at best) useful idiots for rich assholes to rip out our healthcare, but most likely you are the worst-case option: A propaganda-pushing pajeet.
Anonymous No.941150229
>>941149368
It's odd that you have such strong opinions about things you know very little about.
Anonymous No.941150386 >>941154862
>>941149364
Minnesota beats your state in most metrics lol
Anonymous No.941150392
>>941149898
>"Democrats want to give free money away to illegals".
but they do, how is that in any way a lie? they even do it already in their own states, why do you idiots flat out lie like this, I don't get it
>for rich assholes to rip out our healthcare,
I don't want a single dollar of my taxes to go to illegals, outside of funding ICE to deport them
Anonymous No.941150992 >>941151377
>>941141443 (OP)
You wanted small government, didn't you? What's smaller than no government?
Anonymous No.941151377
>>941150992
No him but I'm all for it. Keep it shut down forever.
Anonymous No.941151675 >>941151854 >>941151869
>>941141903
Right.....Republicans have the Presidency, control the House and the Senate, but it's the Democrats that are holding up the government. Sure buddy.
Anonymous No.941151854 >>941151949
>>941151675
Hey, dipshit, a CR needs a vote of 60%. The Dems are holding it up because they can't include free healthcare for illegals.
Anonymous No.941151869
>>941151675
correct, because that's how that works
if you have 50 out of 60 votes needed, the 10 people refusing to vote with everyone else are holding everything up, it's pretty simple
Anonymous No.941151949 >>941152262 >>941152528
>>941151854
link to the bill stating healthcare for "illegals" or stfu
Anonymous No.941152262 >>941152446
>>941151949
there's no bill yet, they're still negotiating, and Democrats are refusing to vote unless their demands are met
Anonymous No.941152446
>>941152262
democrats introduced a bill, it's the one you are basing your factless claim on.
Anonymous No.941152528 >>941152634
>>941151949
Jesus, it's been all over the news.
The CR is the exact same Democratic bill they've passed 3 times already, word for word, but this time they included "healthcare for non-citizens". Rs said no.
Picrel is what Dems shut the government down for.
Anonymous No.941152634 >>941152808
>>941152528
>still can't link any actual document
Anonymous No.941152660
>>941141443 (OP)
Shut up Trump shit.
Anonymous No.941152808 >>941152932 >>941153017
>>941152634
Not doing your homework, shitlib. You came in here not knowing how many votes are needed to pass a CR. Educate yourself for once.
Anonymous No.941152932 >>941153579
>>941152808
>i just make shit up and have no way to back up my claims
understood.
Anonymous No.941153017
>>941152808
Whatever. Post some fucking cringe Trump shit
It's about time for you to start posting your tranny shit
Anonymous No.941153579 >>941153776 >>941153927 >>941153927
>>941152932
Fine, here. You won't understand it though because it hinges on the sunsetting of emergency Covid provisions.
https://www.appropriations.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/fy26_democratic_continuing_resolution_text.pdf
Anonymous No.941153776 >>941153907 >>941153907
>>941153579
Now as seasoned shitposter, you've clearly read the bill and can quote where in the bill it gives free healthcare for illegals.
Anonymous No.941153778 >>941154221
>>941142941
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EVWEYFING FOR FWEEE!
INSURANCE FO FWEE!
FOOD FO FWEE!
HOUSE FO FWEE!
MONEY FO FWEE!
COLLEGE FO FWEE!
CONTRIBUE TO SOCIETY?
NO, NOT FO FWEE!
YOU MUST DO IT AND PROVIDE FOR ME!
Anonymous No.941153907 >>941153927
>>941153776
>quote where in the bill it gives free healthcare for illegals
See >>941153776
>You won't understand it though because it hinges on the sunsetting of emergency Covid provisions.
Anonymous No.941153927 >>941153980
>>941153907
>>941153579
>>941153579
also they were not emergency covid provisions, they were emergency higher rates, they're not going away just lowering the amount. So your whole argument is still bullshit.
Anonymous No.941153980 >>941154076
>>941153927
Where does it say that in the bill?
I can play this "act retarded as fuck" game too.
Anonymous No.941154076 >>941154131
>>941153980
emergancy higher rate provisions is in bidens American Rescue Plan (2021)
and the exapnsion of them is in the bill you yourself linked
Anonymous No.941154131 >>941154228
>>941154076
So no proof?
Sad. Many such cases.
Anonymous No.941154221
>>941153778
I think you meant to say Democrats do not have the votes to pass their health care bill in the Senate OR House
Anonymous No.941154228 >>941154270
>>941154131
>devolves into no u retardation
i guess thats /thread then
see you in the next shitty bait thread fagot.
Anonymous No.941154270 >>941154386
>>941154228
>and I have the proof right here

-Democrats
Anonymous No.941154386 >>941154452
>>941154270
https://www.congress.gov/111/plaws/publ148/PLAW-111publ148.pdf

https://www.congress.gov/117/bills/hr1319/BILLS-117hr1319enr.pdf

https://www.appropriations.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/fy26_democratic_continuing_resolution_text.pdf
Anonymous No.941154447 >>941154627 >>941155871
>>941141903
Republicans just ushered in 3.5 trillion more debt in 10 years with ludicrous tax cuts. Spending a trillion on healthcare is a problem why
Anonymous No.941154452 >>941154879
>>941154386
I ain't reading all that, chud.
Anonymous No.941154621 >>941154792
>>941149092
>vodkanigger can’t understand basic english
nice try faggot, conscription awaits if you keep fucking up like this
Anonymous No.941154627 >>941155002
>>941154447
Because it benefits people instead of just billionaires and Isreal, righties hate that shit.
Anonymous No.941154777 >>941154916
>>941149440
Red states still take more that they contribute to federal taxes
Stop relying on socialism before you start complaining about what actually solvent states are doing with their money
You niggers are just mad the beaners are getting your gibs
Anonymous No.941154792
>>941154621
>vodkanigger
added to filter. thx logzi
Anonymous No.941154862 >>941155026
>>941150386
But not in obesity, gunshot suicides, child molestation, or number of bibles per inbred child
Anonymous No.941154879 >>941154940
>>941154452
I honestly believe you lack the ability to.
Anonymous No.941154916 >>941155069
>>941154777
>Red states still take more that they contribute to federal taxes
>usually in SS
Do we finally agree that we need to end social programs?
>actually solvent states are doing with their money
Which ones?
Anonymous No.941154928 >>941155060 >>941156360
>>941141443 (OP)
Can anyone show me in the Constitution where it says you need 60 votes to pass a bill? Just anywhere just point to it and I'll read it
Anonymous No.941154940 >>941155096
>>941154879
So no proof, Ivan?
Anonymous No.941155002 >>941155163
>>941154627
It was literally a tax cut for billionaires you disingenuous nigger
Average household saw their taxes go up
Also republicans just handed Israel 40 billion so maybe shut the fuck up about the Jews until ya’ll stop sucking circumcised cocks
Anonymous No.941155026 >>941155122
>>941154862
We've been over this cletus, your feelings ain't facts
Anonymous No.941155060
>>941154928
It's not in the Constitution. See Senate Rule XXII regarding 3/5ths (60/100).
Anonymous No.941155069 >>941155251
>>941154916
>usually in SS
So red states are just chock full of disabled retards and the elderly?
Not quite the win you think it is bubba
Red states are dead weight
Anonymous No.941155096
>>941154940
comrade, i gave you the bills that
enacted it,
increased the rate till 2025,
and the proposed bill to extend the increased rate as an offset to trumps medicare cuts.

your inability to read or troll with any effort beyond no u, is between you and your god now.
Anonymous No.941155122 >>941155230
>>941155026
>Misfiring bot
Someone come get your chatbot, it’s stuck in a loop
Red states are nigger states, all gibs no jobs and it’s always someone else’s fault somehow
Anonymous No.941155163
>>941155002
My comment was an answer to your question: why is spending money on Healthcare a problem.

Not a republican cope/deflection by lying about their tax bill
Anonymous No.941155230
>>941155122
Naw just misfiring brain, my apologies.

thought you were implying minnesota leads in those stats (we do have a sizeable population of inbred retards in the red counties)
Anonymous No.941155251 >>941155559
>>941155069
Here's Mississippi. So you're with me on ending SS?

You also didn't give me any states that are solvent. The top 5 in debt are:
California - 498 bn
Illinois - 248 bn
New York - 245 bn
New Jersey - 225 bn
Texas - 221 bn

The bottom 5 are
South Dakota
Idaho
Nebraska
Montana
New Hampshire

By your logic we should all be avoiding what those insolvent states are doing, right?
Anonymous No.941155559 >>941155673
>>941155251
>inb4 "muh per capita"
Here it is per capita (most debt):
Connecticut - $27,031
New Jersey - $24,200
Hawaii - $19,400
Illinois - $19,400
Wyoming - $18,600

Here it is for least debt per capita:
Tennessee - $1708
Utah - $1972
Oklahoma - $2308
Nebraska - $2375
Idaho - $2409

So tell us, logfag, which states should we be complaining about?
Heaven No.941155608
>>941141443 (OP)
go back to your echo chamber you massive glownigger psyop faggot >>>/pol/
Anonymous No.941155673
>>941155559
Kek, I just came across this chart.
Anonymous No.941155871 >>941156449
>>941154447
How far have we fallen where kids think it's good to pay more taxes to a frivolous government? You know you can pay them extra right now, right? When you fill out your 1099ez there's even a box that allows you to donate more. I hope you're doing that and not just complaining about your neighbor not paying more.
Anonymous No.941156360
>>941154928
not every senate rule and procedure is in the constitution, they decide many of the rules themselves, and even change them sometimes
Anonymous No.941156449 >>941156767
>>941155871
As expected, you only complain about government spending when team blue does it.

You'll probly reply with some bullshit like "I complained then too! I swear!"
Anonymous No.941156531 >>941156761
>>941141647
>>941141708
Anonymous No.941156664
>>941142888
trips of motherfuckin' truth right here.
Anonymous No.941156761
>>941156531
Republicans would love for the truth about their president fucking children to go away.
Anonymous No.941156767 >>941158079
>>941156449
>you only complain about government spending when team blue does it
I do it constantly when team government does it. I didn't vote for Trump for his massive spending and high immigration. I have never said "we need to increase the debt limit so we can re-open the government" or anything remotely similar. I literally just called out some zoomer who wants the current admin to have more tax revenue. How stupid are you? And more importantly, why did you try to disguise an insult built on a strawman with a non sequitur?

Fail all around.
Anonymous No.941156916 >>941158446
>democrats
fuck off go back faggot
Anonymous No.941157181
>republicans
fuck off go back faggot
Anonymous No.941158079 >>941158829
>>941156767
Woop there it is, no one's buying it
Anonymous No.941158446
>>941156916
the bill was already dead before it was even introduced. the only way it would have passed is if they could somehow get the 20 republicans to vote for it, and it was never going to happen. the only reason they even bothered is so they could say they tried to pass it
Anonymous No.941158829
>>941158079
Whatever you say...
Anonymous No.941158879
>>941141443 (OP)
yeah, i'm pretty sure i'd rather have my money to spend on what i want. i don't think i'd go broke paying for health care
Anonymous No.941159006
>>941142888
Won't happen, Jews will kill it. Media Jews will shit on it constantly, no finance Jew will finance it, and legal Jews will stop you at every level - preventing you from registering and whatnot.
Anonymous No.941160736 >>941161421
>>941142888
>Bernie
You had me in the first paragraph but Bernie is just another retarded Dem.
The problem is who that 3rd party would represent. You have the big government, more spending left that creates more problems and chaos so they can claim to "fix" them, and you have the big government, more spending right who says they'll fix things but never does shit.
Then you have Greens (lefties) and Libertarians (classical liberal Republicans) and Indies (who don't really have a platform but lean left anyways), and none of them are compatible with each other.
So if you could pick your ideal 3rd party candidate, they're going to be on one of the two sides, which means you're stuck right back at square one but with different labels. I'm pretty far right (I think Trump is just a 1990s Dem) and you probably wouldn't like my candidate and you'd probably end up calling him a Republican anyways.

We don't have a party problem, we have a political thought problem. Once people realize that both parties aren't in it for the country, only then can we climb out of this pool of shit. I don't see it happening any time in my life. Too many greedy citizens. Maybe we should restrict voting.
Anonymous No.941160818
>>941141443 (OP)
par for the course on the left side, do what i say or fuck you
Anonymous No.941161421 >>941161775
>>941160736
You're mistake is going direct for the presidency, this hypothetical 3rd party's gotta enough win enough seats in congress to at least be capable of breaking a tie (like this shutdown for example).
Anonymous No.941161775 >>941162803
>>941161421
It doesn't matter. At least I don't think it does. I'm looking at the current Senate. You already have Independents siding with the Left. Are you saying it would be good if there were more yellows, say 20%, so they could pull some kind of sway? Let's say that were true, would it really change the left v right dynamic? Like I said up there, I envision it would be the same outcome with different labels. Let's say that, over time, Greens and Libertarians each held 45% of seats. They still have to deal with spending and immigration and wars. What will be different?

I could be missing your perspective. Explain.
Anonymous No.941162107 >>941162238 >>941162265
>>941141903
I do think it is the Dems fault gove is shutdown,but the problem is that we control it all and lots of folks think that since they gave us everything then it'sour fault that gov is closed.I see there point.Meanwhile Trump wants to give Argentina 20 billion dollars.I live in Iowa and many of my friends are farmers and they are really pissed off.They haven't said anything good about our President since he stared his stupid Tariff program.I know Trump will hand us/them bailout money but they are not welfare recipients they are business men trying to feed the world and earn a living.
if you do not want the Republicans to take blame for the she the shutdown stop the tariffs,deal with the stupid Dems and open the fucking gov.We gave you the power now use it
Anonymous No.941162164
/thread
Anonymous No.941162186
>>941142987
BASED
Anonymous No.941162238 >>941162705 >>941163257 >>941163917
>>941162107
>I know Trump will hand us/them bailout money
it went to Argentina faggot
good luck being a welfare queen
Anonymous No.941162265 >>941162375
>>941162107
>they are not welfare recipients
They totally are. They all decided to take fed money to grow corn for the ethanol revolution that never happened, and now they sometimes get paid to grow nothing. All of it is protectionism and those farmers got into the racket.
Anonymous No.941162375 >>941162762
>>941162265
i'd like to get in on that "paid to not grow a crop" thing. what do i do, just call my senator and threaten to plant corn unless he gives me subsidies not to?
Anonymous No.941162705 >>941164724
>>941162238
This is such shifty language and it's a lie.
Reagan doubled the *deficit*... are we talking debt or deficit? Saying anyone doubled anything depends on the circumstance. Obama doubled it when it was at 10 trillion while Reagan doubled it when it was at, kek, that says $70 billion? It was around 2 trillion.
Same with Bush.
Clinton did not leave a surplus
W Bush did not inherit a surplus. "Left office with a record deficit". Someone needs to learn what deficit and debt means. A deficit is how much you're short today. Debt is how much you owe tomorrow. Besides, every single year under every President has been a record high debt and deficit.
I don't even know what this is saying for Obama. A President can't leave a deficit and Obama was the biggest spender we've ever had.
And not we're talking about debt with Trump. I think this is the only true one so far.
Biden did not slice anything. He increased spending during Covid and then reduced spending (still higher than pre-Covid) afterwards.

>notice a pattern
Yeah, I do. The Left can't NOT lie.
Anonymous No.941162746
>>941143994
>the House is not in cession... so the Speaker will not recall the House and hold a SPECIAL CESSION to appoint a new Congressional representative....
>I truly DO NOT understand how uneducated and uninformed your AVERAGE Democrat is..
>reading through threads and just reading INCOMPETENCE... blurted out in replies...

Talk about stupid.You're stupid to the nth degree.The speaker cannot Appoint a representative,period.We are talking about swearing in.Yes it is proper to wait until Congress is in session but this speaker can swear them in w/o it being in session as he did earlier for Republicans because their family and friends were in town
Anonymous No.941162762
>>941162375
>what do i do
I don't know. I have a cousin in Iowa that sometimes just doesn't grow anything. Says, "I get paid for growing nothin this year so why try?".
Anonymous No.941162803 >>941163341
>>941161775
>Are you saying it would be good if there were more yellows, say 20%, so they could pull some kind of sway?

Yes but as a cohesive party, not saying lockstep behind dear leader like the right these days.

>Let's say that were true, would it really change the left v right dynamic?
Yes, a 3rd party means a 50% increase in available viable options for voters, and double the options for lawmakers to compromise with.
Anonymous No.941163257
>>941162238
Now do which party controlled congress. Legislature is in charge of budget. I get it tho, cuz president = king. You got me.
Anonymous No.941163341 >>941165621
>>941162803
>Yes but as a cohesive party
Okay. Let's play this out. I'm truly curious.
Say Indies have 20% of the seats.
The issue is this "health insurance for illegals" shutdown.
How would this party vote? Let's just say on the side of Rs this time.
Now we look at 10 other bills. They side with Rs 7 times and Ds 3 times, because they're fiscal issues.
80 years go by. Rs have been diminished to 10%, Ds are at 45%, and Indies are at 45%
Another shutdown/CR bill shows up.
Indies vote on the side that doesn't allow expansion of health services

What is the difference?

>a 3rd party means a 50% increase in available viable options for voters
I understand what you're saying, and it sounds like a good idea, but will it really shift anything when those voters are still yelling for free healthcare and more school daycare/meal plans? If the Indies say "No, we're not spending on those things", they're going to lose constituents and you'll see another party from the left saying, "sure, we'll give you that stuff for free". And now we're right back where we were.

Keep in mind that the Democratic party was created to overthrow the existing government through the promise of "free stuff" and an unachievable utopia. That stuff always appeals to the low-effort, low-IQ voter, and that's why there will always be a party of gibs, regardless of their name. That's why I suggested maybe we restrict who votes. Ending suffrage would be a huge positive benefit by itself.
Anonymous No.941163917 >>941164750
>>941162238
>175 x 2 = 290
Anonymous No.941164564
A federal government shutdown used to be when the slave owners returned from Washington to whip the knee grows harder. Good ole days are back again.
Anonymous No.941164724 >>941165778
>>941162705
>Clinton did not leave a surplus

During the last four years of his presidency, from 1998 to 2001, Bill Clinton oversaw a federal budget surplus, the first since 1969. When he left office in January 2001, the U.S. budget was balanced.
Anonymous No.941164750
>>941163917
fail
Anonymous No.941164863
>>941147357
>dems want things for illegals..

Democrats are trying to continue something that Reagan started and Trumptards are too dumb to read up on it.

Reagan required hospitals to not kick dying people into the streets. The bare minimum of humility in this country
Anonymous No.941165621
>>941163341
I'm not assuming it would simply kill off an original party, nor would that be an inherently bad thing.
Anonymous No.941165778 >>941167090
>>941164724
>Bill Clinton oversaw a federal budget surplus
He didn't. He borrowed against SS when payments were rolling in during the dot-com boom and left IOUs. Then the tech bubble popped and there was no revenue to replace what he took so they didn't account for this and that's how some retards claim there was a surplus. There was no balanced anything, just like every other President.
Anonymous No.941165980
>>941142975
>Spending the US into a hole.
That's republicans for you.
Anonymous No.941166266
>>941147357
>i never knew this and it's pissing me off now wtf
you didn't know it because its not true.
Anonymous No.941166450
>>941147357
>i never knew this and it's pissing me off now wtf
Reagan made hospitals legally required to treat if you come in an emergency. You know because in an medical emergency you might not be able to produce ID and insurance documents cause you know, you might be dying. So the priority is to save your life and deal with the paper work later.
That's it.
That's what republicans are painting as free health care to illegals.
You are being manipulated and lied too.
Anonymous No.941167090
>>941165778
>Then the tech bubble popped and there was no revenue to replace what he took

The assertion that President Bill Clinton's actions were responsible for a revenue shortfall after the dot-com bubble burst is inaccurate. The budget surpluses during his administration were partially fueled by an unsustainable stock market bubble, and the subsequent economic downturn and tax cuts under the George W. Bush administration are widely identified as the primary causes of revenue decline and a return to deficits.