Thread 942103197

>4chan is the only place that would actually engage in discussions about hentai involving kids and what artistic protections they should be allowed instead of simply pillorying the person who wants to bring it up
>doesn't provide a board where that discussion can happen with any seriousness or gravity

There is nothing worse than knowing you're right about something but the subject is so taboo that no one will ever hear you out.

>>942103197 (OP)
>doesn't provide a board where that discussion can happen with any seriousness or gravity
There used to be a loli board, /l/, but it was purged

>>942103197 (OP)
Kill yourself loli hater

Close enough, treating this as the new thread

>>942103589
Did you just create context from nothing?

>>942103787
Having that picture you must hate lolis. So go die

>>942104041
Is Ichigo Mashimaro a sacred cow or something?

>>942103197 (OP)
So true, sex and children is such a taboo subject that no one wants to discuss it seriously. You just get extremists who can't rub two sticks together mentally. What's your take? You talking about artists only, or irl content too?

>>942104285
Well the thing that's on my mind is the hypocrisy of people who think that somewhere like Steam taking it up the ass from credit processors is unjust and ruining the artistic freedom of creators yet if you told them that people who like to draw loli hentai should be afforded the same sort of protection because it's just art suddenly you're the bad guy.

(Yes this is pony-adjacent, shut up.)

I wanna put my 2 cents in here too. The idea that the free distribution of most media, such as music, movies, and video games, supposedly reduces the value of said content and reduces the drive to make it, sharply contrasts with how people tend to discuss media that involves the sexualization of fictional children, wherein the claim that any distribution, monetized or otherwise, encourages not only the creation of said material, but that it also somehow encourages real life harm via productions involving real children.

On no other site do I ever get to complain about this hypocrisy.

In fact, I'd go so far as to argue that use of fictional children in said media helps to satiate and regulate urges of pedophiles, and so loli and shota hentai should be encouraged to exist. Pushed far enough, oversaturation of media with the sexualization of fictional children will kill novelty of the matter and cause fatigue of it instead, which would cure SOME pedophiles, because some get their rocks off on the matter specifically because it's novel and taboo, rather than pure pedophilia.

The taboo nature of the sexualization of children also inhibits discussion of matters that are perceived as sexual, but aren't actually inherently sexual.

What's worse is that many people fighting against this are later confirmed to be pedophiles themselves, who are always into worse stuff. Assholes trying to screw everyone over on every front!

>>942104551
I want to challenge this notion and address it with a neutral audience but there's no way to because you can't try to defend this sort of thing without undermining yourself simply by bringing it up.

I'm not even arguing whether or not loli hentai should exist or not, simply that if someone creates it and wants to have Patreon subscribers or whatever that shouldn't be the business of the credit processors. But it'll always look like you're defending fucking kids to the eyes of normies...

Bump?

>>942104206
It is evil loli hating trash. Only someone who really REALLY hates lolis could like it

>>942105501
Aye aye

The only laws that should ever exist in any just society are those that protect people from being victimized.

A drawing is an expressive form of art that has no victim.

The argument need not go any further than this.

>>942106386
You can't argue facts against someone who believes intent trumps reality. Doesn't matter how stone-cold the facts are, it still supports something they think is a blight that needs to be eradicated. They don't like sharing a world with people they know lust for underage sexual content.

And you know what? They're right. It is what it is. However they need to get over it because nothing is actually happening - they just want to draw that connection in order to demonize something they take personal umbrage with.

>>942103197 (OP)
>discussion
there's no point in discussing it.
laws aren't changed by discussions on 4chan.
you should be talking to your local representatives, not pedos on 4chan.

>>942106569
But this scenario is already accepted as the de facto standard way of thinking. So, despite the reality that anyone who decries loli hentai as something that is totally unacceptable is objectively wrong, you can't MAKE that argument because it's self-damaging in the court of public opinion.

It's a tainted defense, despite also being correct.

>>942106781
But what am I even protesting? There IS no law that says we can't enjoy this nor can anyone be disallowed from producing it.

Maybe there are prudes out there who wish there was but that isn't reality. All I want is, whenever I see someone trying to suppress loli hentai in a public forum (especially if I get a whiff of artistic hypocrisy from them in other ways), that I can just stand up for what it is without also being tarred by what it says about me (regardless of whether or not it does).

>>942106386
What about the argument that the existence of something inspires further negative action? For instance, the existence of hate speech, while protected, incites others to action, which is not protected. Without the spark, there may not have been an explosion.

I dont necessarily believe this, but its been used as an argument against the existence of sexual drawings of children: that they are a stepping stone to offending.

I feel like I'd have issues crossing the border if my laptop were looked at by customs...

>>942106781
The existence of smaller discussions is a prelude to larger discussions, as well as a place to hone arguments. I think we can all agree that there is a stigma on this topic, and any actual lawmaker would not entertain a discussion purely based on public consensus. Meaning, the public consensus needs to change first, which is what this is...

the only issue is that it's really an echo chamber here. So the benefit becomes in arming representatives of our argument when they go out in the world and try to make the points. Dont succum to pessimism, I think a majority of men are actually sympathetic to underage sex, but unable to publicly make such a declaration. These discussions are good for building confidence and making others know they arent alone.

>>942107746
You should invest in an external, encrypted drive. They arent that hard to setup, and you can expand over time

N

>>942107901
This feels like it bleeds over with tactics used by genuine pedos...

>>942107979
Sauce? Looks like a jab.

>>942108051
Hey, OP was the one that said they would have issues if customs searched their laptop. Why is an external HDD with encryption such a leap?

>>942104744
You have a point. I've always heard that same argument against piracy or in favor of the monopoly of any other medium, but because the subject is so taboo, they play the victim with “It's not the same thing” and you end up being the bad guy.