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Anonymous No.942283128 [Report] >>942285730 >>942286057 >>942286170 >>942287087 >>942287745 >>942287890 >>942288352 >>942289748 >>942289839 >>942292217 >>942295851 >>942299194 >>942299784 >>942300926 >>942301608 >>942302294 >>942304069 >>942309640 >>942311248 >>942313872 >>942316314 >>942316410 >>942317953 >>942317994 >>942318171 >>942319435
why are you so scared of communism?
Anonymous No.942285704 [Report] >>942295354 >>942300806 >>942301751 >>942304778
Mostly because of all the starvation and murder, I guess, and the fact that communists share a terrifying combination of arrogance and ignorance - they are all fucking idiots and they are so convince they are smarter than everyone, the WILL kill people, for the "greater good".

I think anyone who calls themselves a communist should be taken out to the woods and burred alive.
Anonymous No.942285730 [Report] >>942289261 >>942316047 >>942316111
>>942283128 (OP)
Mostly the state sponsored terror.
Anonymous No.942286057 [Report] >>942301350
>>942283128 (OP)
Well it killed millions, so...
Anonymous No.942286170 [Report] >>942300914
>>942283128 (OP)
Pretending to be "For the people," while hoarding the wealth for the top party members, killing millions, starving them, and putting them in camps isn't my ideal philosophy OP.
Sorry you can't into History. Better luck next respawn, maybe you'll have a better life.
Anonymous No.942286716 [Report]
communism at a minimum
Anonymous No.942286991 [Report] >>942288311 >>942289176
Im not. I dont care. I want government that makes it so i dont have live in small boxes under constant debt with hidden fees and liars selling me junk. I dont believe there is any sort of government or philosophy that can facilitate that. Im a single white male who makes 50k a year and somehow that is still not nearly enough money to live. Ive worked 40 hour weeks, 50 hour weeks, 60 hour weeks, and now im applying to get a second job despite being salary. We are fucking coming for you all. I have been training for years now and i am tired of being exploited. You will understand actual pain because i have been granted 0 gain despite doing EVERYTHING you fuckers told me.
Anonymous No.942287087 [Report] >>942287472 >>942287831
>>942283128 (OP)
Because it always results in an authoritarian government that kills millions of it's own citizens.
And just imagine how excessive Americans would be about that.
Anonymous No.942287472 [Report] >>942287888
>>942287087
I would gladly pay tribute to red tape on a budget quarter basis over being thrown to the fucking wolves. All governments are authoritarian at this point.

As an american i would like to ask when has anything good or beneficial happened at all in the past 9 years?

You fuckers sold the farm, imported trash, and then you womder why business is bad once shit hits the fan
Anonymous No.942287745 [Report]
>>942283128 (OP)
All the death and starvation kinda turns me off.
Anonymous No.942287831 [Report] >>942287910
>>942287087
Anonymous No.942287888 [Report] >>942288257
>>942287472
>As an american
>as a woman
Doubt. Americans don't announce themselves here.
Anonymous No.942287890 [Report] >>942287948 >>942288027
>>942283128 (OP)
i'm not. it's a good system but difficult to implement and easy to use by sociopaths as a smoke screen
Anonymous No.942287910 [Report] >>942288001
>>942287831
Anonymous No.942287948 [Report] >>942287995
>>942287890
>it's a good system
Anonymous No.942287995 [Report] >>942288050 >>942288160 >>942288294 >>942316263
>>942287948
it's a very good system. a memetard like you will never comprehend it
Anonymous No.942288001 [Report] >>942288214
>>942287910
Anonymous No.942288027 [Report] >>942288155
>>942287890
>difficult to implement
What makes it so difficult to implement? Could it be that it ignores human behavior?
Anonymous No.942288050 [Report] >>942288155
>>942287995
>It's a good system that's never worked, and brings nothing but government oppression, murder, and widespread poverty
Anonymous No.942288155 [Report] >>942288201 >>942288249 >>942312982
>>942288027
>>942288050
oh look, memetards care onto it again
ready to have an actual discussion? but as a warning, the moment you spew a meme, you admit defeat. why? because i'm sick and tired of brainlets who refuse to listen to arguments
Anonymous No.942288160 [Report]
>>942287995
You've been duped.
Anonymous No.942288201 [Report] >>942288228
>>942288155
>Historical facts don't matter! It wasn't real communism!
Anonymous No.942288214 [Report]
>>942288001
Anonymous No.942288228 [Report]
>>942288201
>instantly memes
one down. what about you, 2nd anon?
Anonymous No.942288249 [Report] >>942288288
>>942288155
I asked you a question, pinko! Now you're delfecting.
Anonymous No.942288257 [Report] >>942288537
>>942287888
Haven posted on /b/ for about 18 years now. Internet aint what it used to be i guess. I assume even this "anonymous" website is tracked down to user and IP.
Anonymous No.942288288 [Report] >>942288345 >>942288505
>>942288249
ask again but without a dumbfuck picture
Anonymous No.942288294 [Report]
>>942287995
>thinks communism isn't a meme
Anonymous No.942288311 [Report] >>942288411
>>942286991
Not one of you faggots has an answer to this
Anonymous No.942288345 [Report] >>942288390 >>942288583
>>942288288
No. Answer the question or fuck off. Or better yet, explain how it's a "very good system".
Anonymous No.942288352 [Report]
>>942283128 (OP)
Communists get bullets
Communists get helicopter rides
Anonymous No.942288390 [Report] >>942288461
>>942288345
>more memes
and i even gave you a chance. too bad
enjoy getting buttfucked by your totalitarian freedumbz
Anonymous No.942288411 [Report] >>942300980
>>942288311
Millennials and zoomers are amassing more generational wealth and at a faster rate than their predecessors. We're coming for you.
Anonymous No.942288461 [Report] >>942288531
>>942288390
>I totally have good reasons that back up communism guize
>I just don't want to tell you because pictures hurt
Anonymous No.942288465 [Report] >>942319579
lol faggots
Anonymous No.942288505 [Report]
>>942288288
k
Anonymous No.942288531 [Report] >>942288563
>>942288461
>bro, i totally don't want to argue in bad faith and will change my ways of thinking if proven so and i definitely will not waste your time!
Anonymous No.942288537 [Report] >>942288894
>>942288257
>Haven posted on /b/ for about 18 years now
Doubt. You even redditspaced. You know what you're doing.
Anonymous No.942288563 [Report] >>942288645
>>942288531
You have nothing. You've been nothin but bad faith from the start.
Anonymous No.942288583 [Report] >>942288956 >>942289972
>>942288345
fun fact: the GDP of the USSR grew by a larger margin during its existence that the US's in the same timeframe. Communism even beats capitalism in the only thing the latter is supposed to be better at: efficiency.
Anonymous No.942288645 [Report] >>942288985
>>942288563
i have plenty of arguments and discussion for smart people, not meme spewing mental cripples who can't pull their head out of their asses
Anonymous No.942288894 [Report]
>>942288537
Ive posted on reddit 3 times in my life. Ive posted on 4chan about 1000+ times from 2006-2012. The hivemind has always irritated me.

I guess the structure is just embedded in me at this point
Anonymous No.942288956 [Report] >>942289119
>>942288583
Anonymous No.942288985 [Report] >>942289039
>>942288645
>i have plenty of arguments and discussion for smart people
No you don't, logzi. You never do.
Anonymous No.942289039 [Report] >>942289085
>>942288985
you must be so proud of your maymay collection. it makes you feel so important and all-knowing
Anonymous No.942289070 [Report]
Starving to death and the state murdering you for speech.
Anonymous No.942289085 [Report] >>942289152
>>942289039
>it makes you feel so important and all-knowing
It totally does. I only meme to other smart people.
Anonymous No.942289119 [Report] >>942289252
>>942288956
tell me you don't understand math without telling me you don't understand math. Guess it makes life simpler...
Anonymous No.942289152 [Report] >>942289272
>>942289085
oh look, a guy who already knows everything about every topic
absolutely zero humility and self-reflection
people like you should not be allowed to vote
Anonymous No.942289176 [Report] >>942289544 >>942318318
>>942286991
>Im not. I dont care. I want government that makes it so i dont have live in small boxes under constant debt with hidden fees and liars selling me junk. I dont believe there is any sort of government or philosophy that can facilitate that. Im a single white male who makes 50k a year and somehow that is still not nearly enough money to live. Ive worked 40 hour weeks, 50 hour weeks, 60 hour weeks, and now im applying to get a second job despite being salary. We are fucking coming for you all. I have been training for years now and i am tired of being exploited. You will understand actual pain because i have been granted 0 gain despite doing EVERYTHING you fuckers told me.

You make $50/year, and you can't afford anything.

What the hell are you spending all that money on?

Let me guess:
- You live alone in an overpriced apartment because you don't want to deal with room mates and save money.
- You go out to eat a lot.
- You eat overpriced processed foods rather than cooking for yourself and eating clean, healthy meals.
- You drink a lot of beer, smoke cigarettes, and/or do drugs.
, and spend shitloads of money on that avoiding drugs and alcohol.
- You used overpriced delivery services (Grubhub, DoorDash, Uber Eats)
- You took out loans to pay for shit you don't need, like a car that costs more than you can afford.
- You're still paying off a student debt from a worthless degree.
- You've never invested a single dime in your life - never bought a stock, bond, ETF, and you've never researched how to manage finances.
- You pay for Netflix, Apple TV, Amazon Prime, and a couple other services.
- You have spent hundreds, or even thousands of dollars on video games, comic books, baseball or Pokémon cards, or some other hobby.

Am I in the ballpark?
Anonymous No.942289252 [Report] >>942289392
>>942289119
>grew by a larger margin
>1920-1990
>US: $6k to $23k, a difference of $17k
>USSR: $1k to $6k, a difference of $5k
Where is this "larger margin"?
Anonymous No.942289261 [Report] >>942289353 >>942289383 >>942289956 >>942301235
>>942285730
This is the one comment that always exposes you guys; You've never read even the most basic definition of what communism actually is, you just oppose it because someone else told you to. If you'd done even a simple, cursory google search, you'd know that communism literally has no state.
Anonymous No.942289272 [Report] >>942289353
>>942289152
See, I knew you were super smart, logger.
Anonymous No.942289353 [Report] >>942289573 >>942289724
>>942289261
they're memetards. what did you expect? logic and reason?
i mean, exhibit A: >>942289272
Anonymous No.942289383 [Report]
>>942289261
>communism literally has no state
Say what nigga? A communist state is simply a state run by a communist single party. How is there no state?
Anonymous No.942289392 [Report] >>942289484
>>942289252
which one is greater, five times growth, or ten times growth? I'll let you work it out and check back in ten minutes, don't wanna fry your brain or something.
Anonymous No.942289484 [Report] >>942289722
>>942289392
Ohh, you're playing stupid math games.
It's like "Which car goes faster? The one that goes from 10 to 20, or the one that goes from 200 to 210?".
Is this how communism works, play funny numbers?
Anonymous No.942289544 [Report] >>942289623 >>942294534
>>942289176
I do drink and smoke, but its bottom shelf shit. So its cheap.

Cut all my subs a year ago, i barely even get fastfood these days. My money goes to gas and loans because i was only able to get my job by having a degree.

I have worked my ass off for it during before and after. I made the mistake of charity with having a disabled wife from a broken home. Why waste my time with investments or hobbies when i can barely afford to literally live?
Anonymous No.942289573 [Report] >>942289697
>>942289353
Still no answer?
Not like you've ever answered anything before.
Anonymous No.942289623 [Report] >>942289867
>>942289544
How much in gas, rent, and loans?
Anonymous No.942289697 [Report] >>942289793
>>942289573
once again: not arguing with braindead memetards. you would already know that if you had any reading comprehension
that's also even more of a reason to not even bother
Anonymous No.942289722 [Report]
>>942289484
yes, understanding how communism works, or economics in general, does require at least elementary school level math. I'm sorry if you feel left out, there's probably something else out there you can excel at.
Anonymous No.942289724 [Report] >>942289756
>>942289353
LARPing faggot. Fill in the blanks.
Anonymous No.942289748 [Report] >>942313079
>>942283128 (OP)
I'm not.

what I'm scared of are Americans who go on about communism, when they dont know the differences between social democrats, socialists, and communists, and lump them all in the same boat.
Anonymous No.942289756 [Report] >>942289827 >>942301286
>>942289724
zero because they were never implemented
Anonymous No.942289793 [Report] >>942290016
>>942289697
It's nothing, isn't it? You can't explain any of the "very good" parts? Just talking shit on your personal logfagging board again?
Anonymous No.942289827 [Report]
>>942289756
So no other country in 200 years figured out how to implement them either?
Anonymous No.942289839 [Report] >>942289996
>>942283128 (OP)
you don't want communism faggot
that means blacks gays and yes trans people would have equal say in your community and that's a big big big BIG big nono isn't it?
Anonymous No.942289864 [Report]
Because I don't understand it :(
Anonymous No.942289867 [Report] >>942289943
>>942289623
$1,500 in rent billls etc. Per month.

850 in loans

I pay for everything for two people.

I just wanted the fucking white picket fence with 3.5 kids.
Anonymous No.942289943 [Report] >>942290199
>>942289867
That's roughly half your income. Where's the rest?
And if you took out a loan for a degree you needed, why aren't you using it?
Anonymous No.942289956 [Report] >>942310884
>>942289261
The most basic definition says that the state owns the means of production. Kinda hard to do without a state.
Anonymous No.942289972 [Report] >>942290184
>>942288583
>Believes the propaganda of the USSR
kek
Anonymous No.942289996 [Report] >>942290618
>>942289839
What the fuck, is it illegal to own guns now? And look at them just piling them up like cordwood, getiin all dinged up and shit.
Anonymous No.942290016 [Report] >>942290171
>>942289793
finally a post without maymays that i can reply to. i swear, that memeing vermin is everywhere
okay, time for a basic crash course so you at least understand the thing you're so angry at
meme spewing retards look away right now., i DO NOT wish to educate you. you don't deserve it. you belong under the boot you lick so much
let's start with an exercise: can you give me a definition of communism? like an actual, encyclopedia definition
give it a try first, i'll take it from there
Anonymous No.942290171 [Report] >>942290214 >>942290252
>>942290016
>finally a post without maymays
Fuck, I forgot.
>can you give me a definition of communism?
I can but I'm not because you've been beating your dick for like an hour now about how communism was a very good system but can never seem to give any examples. Burden of proof is on you, fuckface. You can't just kick in the front door, yell, "communism was very good!", and then run away, expecting to be taken seriously, if not outright ignored.
Anonymous No.942290184 [Report]
>>942289972
kinda funny considering it was your dear leader who just fired the head of the statistics bureau because he didn't like the numbers they put out...
Anyway, the numbers about the USSR are from independent research, not just their own propaganda.
Anonymous No.942290199 [Report] >>942290282
>>942289943
The other half goes towards my day to day for groceries, gas, and i also forgot my medical bills despite having insurance. Got a bunch of scans and tests done because my parents and wife kept urging me to and they all came back i was fine but now i owe thousands.

Why is it that my boomer coworkers can smoke and drink top shelf shit every single fucking day and own a house with multiple cars, a pool, and eat better than i can?
Anonymous No.942290214 [Report] >>942290298
>>942290171
do look away right now and let a more competent person take your place. surely there's some brain matter left on this board
Anonymous No.942290252 [Report]
>>942290171
oh also
>but can never seem to give any examples
my exercise is absolutely related to this. but you won't see it
Anonymous No.942290282 [Report] >>942290933
>>942290199
Because you sound retarded. There is no way you spend $2300/mo on day-to-day shit. And why would yuo go get a bunch ox expensive tests done just because some other retards told you. Would you go back right now and get an MRI if I told you to?
Anonymous No.942290298 [Report] >>942290463 >>942290490
>>942290214
Doubtful, but it certainly isn't you.
Anonymous No.942290463 [Report] >>942290520
>>942290298
Dammit, forgot pic again.
Anonymous No.942290490 [Report] >>942290577
>>942290298
before i explain anything i have to establish a few things because it's impossible to explain when the other party is under wrong base assumptions from the start
if you believe that the earth is flat and try to make sense out of it, how can i then prove you wrong when you're knee deep into bullshit?
i also have to establish that they have basic reading comprehension. not a guarantee unfortunately
Anonymous No.942290520 [Report]
>>942290463
ah, shit. 4chan should've updated earlier before i made an attempt
Anonymous No.942290577 [Report] >>942290624
>>942290490
Then state you definitions up front. Who cares? All I wanted were examples. Now we're going through an exercise?
Anonymous No.942290618 [Report] >>942290727
>>942289996
another gun nut making your side look worse

shedding no tears
Anonymous No.942290624 [Report] >>942290668
>>942290577
did you forget your image again?
Anonymous No.942290668 [Report] >>942290951
>>942290624
Nah, I'm bored. I've gotta go do something.
Anonymous No.942290727 [Report] >>942290791
>>942290618
How do I make it look worse? They're treating those guns like shit, and what's the problem with owning a lot of them? You can only shoot 1 at a time, 2 unreliably.
Anonymous No.942290791 [Report]
>>942290727
Because you got mad when some gun nut got v& along with his stash. That isn't my side. It's your side.
Anonymous No.942290933 [Report] >>942313206
>>942290282
I have a friend who is single and makes twice what i do and is more broke than i am. The economy is absolutely fucked and it has nothing to do with life choices.

I got the medical tests done because i was told it would be covered but then it wasnt fully and i have had unexpected deaths in my immediate family for related reasons.

I am far from being an accountant or a spendthrift, but none of this is right. 5 years ago i was paying more percentwise compared to my income and i was able to have a savings. Now i am raped for every single cent i have and then told i need to cough up more or it is my fault.

I am tired of.being exploited with nothing to show and we are coming for you all.
Anonymous No.942290951 [Report] >>942291039 >>942291635 >>942313264
>>942290668
i'm asking for the exercise because i've been explaining things for years now and i know for a fact that just me saying everything will convince absolutely nobody. the other party has to come up with their own conclusions
but okay, let's define communism. we can google it up and get...something convoluted and with lots of difficult words written for people who are already well educated in the subject so i'll boil it down for you
to have communism these 2 things ABSOLUTELY MUST BE TRUE:
1. no money
2. no leaders
if they're not satisfied, you're not talking about communism and no amount of mental gymnastics will change that. that's the definition, i didn't make it, it's out there for everyone to see
if you for example have money then it is some kind of market socialism, not communism
everything clear? happy with that so far?
Anonymous No.942291039 [Report] >>942291183
>>942290951
Is google your bible?
Anonymous No.942291183 [Report] >>942291382
>>942291039
want me to quote definitions from wikipedia/brittanica/cambrige/whatever or some economists or will you take that at face value?
Anonymous No.942291382 [Report] >>942291665
>>942291183
All obtained from google? Do you have any primary sources in print or is it all parroting of popular opinion?

Do you also look for the meaning of life in a search engine?
Anonymous No.942291635 [Report] >>942291989
>>942290951
I'm the meme guy,
>1. no money
>2. no leaders
Yes, I accept this as the common definition of "true" communism.
Anonymous No.942291665 [Report] >>942292554
>>942291382
see anon, that's exactly why i wanted you to do an exercise. you didn't bother firing those neurons and trying to figure it out by yourself so you don't feel like changing the status quo
google has nothing to do with it, it's just a search engine. obviously wikipedia states sources, cambrige and brittanica have a reputation and you completely missed the part about actual economists, probably on purpose. for example a book "the abc of communism" written by people who have their own wikipedia pages, unlike anyone itt
if you're so unhappy with my simplified (but still true) definition then by all means write it down yourself
Anonymous No.942291989 [Report] >>942292270
>>942291635
okay, cool. now take a look at the popular "commie states" like China, Russia, North Korea etc. and tell me if any of these ever even attempted to achieve that. did Soviets or NK gave up on the leadership? did China gave up on money?
can you provide an example that actually, honestly and genuinely implemented those things? someone who actually tried, not just fooled people with fancy words about equality and whatnot to acquire their authoritarian/totalitarian regimes?
Anonymous No.942292217 [Report] >>942292323
>>942283128 (OP)
I'm only scared of stalinism, which trannies seem to love. If you can get me some worker self management, decentral planning and free speech plus gun ownership with it I'll be down.
Anonymous No.942292270 [Report] >>942293050
>>942291989
>ever even attempted to achieve that
Well that's where the whole thing falls apart, isn't it? Socialism is the first stage. This is where money, classes, and leaders begin to become phased out. But it never makes it there because human behavior is ignored. You have an Animal Farm situation.
>someone who actually tried
I agree that NoKo and the CCCP aren't really trying, but, even by your Marx/Engels definitions, anyone attempting socialism is attempting communism.

Have you watched Vince Gilligan's new show, Pluribus? If not I'd recommend it. I feel like that's the only situation where communism would actually work, but it's sci-fi so definitely out of the realm of reality.
Anonymous No.942292323 [Report] >>942292339
>>942292217
Anonymous No.942292339 [Report]
>>942292323
Anonymous No.942292554 [Report] >>942293050
>>942291665
Youve offered up 0 sources. You name drop expensive and well invested financial institutions as your backing without naming examples or people.

A billion people eat at mcdonalds, they cant be wrong!
Anonymous No.942292558 [Report] >>942292616
The end state of communism is literally the current USA, it's just that the people in charge are the rich instead of the "peoples party". The guy posting anti communist memes is a paid shill who's masters don't want to be disposed. Every first world country should avoid communism but also avoid becoming like the US
Anonymous No.942292616 [Report] >>942292723
>>942292558
>The end state of communism is literally the current USA
Shut the fuck up. You obviously have no idea what you're talking about and you sound boosted.
Anonymous No.942292723 [Report]
>>942292616
whatever you say, kike
Anonymous No.942293050 [Report] >>942293544
>>942292270
no, anon, you see, the thing is that none of these aforementioned attempted to create communism in the first place. it was always smoke screen and mirrors to gain popularity and fool common people. their objective was always an authoritarian/totalitarian regime
speaking of which, if you look up the definitions of authoritarianism/totalitarianism, it sounds very similar to what Russia, China, NK are. and they sound nothing like communism
the point is, what you hate about those countries is not communism. it's actually autho/totalitarian regime that exploited principles of communism to become what they are. and whatever they call themselves, doesn't matter. their actions matter. Russia claims that they're a democracy, China claims that they're a democracy, NK claims that they're social democracy. 3rd Reich could call themselves peace-loving, tolerant hippies. but they're all the type to go on the internet and tell lies
>Have you watched Vince Gilligan's new show, Pluribus?
no. but i did watch Star Trek which does talk a lot about their post-scarcity system and how much it reminds communism
>>942292554
>me literally mentioning a book to read
>Youve offered up 0 sources, homie!
thank you for showing everyone here why i wanted my exercise. words coming from me will never reach. they have to come from within you
Anonymous No.942293422 [Report]
Curvy, confident, and craving some attention... sound fun?
..
Anonymous No.942293544 [Report] >>942295280 >>942295342
>>942293050
>none of these aforementioned attempted to create communism in the first place
It doesn't matter if they're aforementioned or if it was anyone else. Are you saying that socialism (with the goal of communism) can't be initiated by a leader?
>the definitions of authoritarianism/totalitarianism
I was going to say earlier that they're closer to totalitarians than anything. The Soviets definitely tried, but the citizens revolted. I'm not sure if Mao tried, but he abolished private property and the markets. Tito got pretty close to "real" socialism but real life put an end to that.

Here's the real rub... You have capitalism ---------------> communism. Socialism is supposed to be the bridge over that gap, somehow blending the two until communism is achieved. You could argue that no one has tried "real" socialism either, as no one has made a successful bridge yet. So, is there a different form of socialism that can bridge that gap? Because the "you're not producing enough, meet my gun and my central planning" doesn't work even a little. The real problem is you have greedy people, generous people, altruists, narcissists, etc. who don't want to put in the same amount of work and place different values on things. How could you possibly normalize that?

>but i did watch Star Trek
Star Trek is full of holes and can't be taken seriously. Transporters and replicators would break the entire system alone and everyone would move the the permanent orgy on Risa and nothing would get done.
Really, check out Pluribus. There's only two episodes so I don't know where it's going, but it's playing hard on the hivemind, everyone's equal, shared knowledge, within his means, thing.
Anonymous No.942294534 [Report]
>>942289544
Retarded degree. My starting salary with a degree was more than that 18 years ago, and my salary has only gone up since.
My son is in tech college and will have a starting around $55k at 19.
Anonymous No.942295280 [Report] >>942296286
>>942293544
the problem with the bridge is that we've never seen an honest politician or a party trying to establish a communist society by first introducing the rules then disassembling the government and finally giving up on the right to rule. there's also always opposition from wealthy/high status people who are afraid to lose their power
btw i always find it funny that people here shit on communism while also hating on the jews because "jews rule the world" when it's exactly communism that would strip jews of all their power. a jew in a world without hierarchy and money can no longer "rule the world" because he's just a single human and nothing more
anyway, Stalin never had any intention to give up on his position as the leader. Mao as well. Kim Il Sung straight out wanted to grab everyone by their balls. whatever their initial intentions were, they always wanted to rule and make decisions
Anonymous No.942295342 [Report] >>942297184 >>942298053
>>942293544
>The real problem is you have greedy people(...) How could you possibly normalize that?
the thing is, we're applying our current capitalist mindset onto a completely different headspace, and we can't do that without warping the outcome
let's assume that we magically established a communist society where most people share stuff, help each other and such. they do that because that's normal. they grew up in such environment. you get help and free food so you internally feel that it's of great benefit to contribute as well. if you now face someone who doesn't contribute because reasons and wants to take then you kinda just don't want to help or share anything with that person. and here lies the repelling force. people who don't contribute kinda don't get anything in return. society naturally punishes you for acting bad and no above force is necessary
it's also resistant to corruption because if you're living a happy life and some sociopath asks you to start hell, you'll just politely tell him to go fuck himself. people will always prefer the status quo if it satisfies them
of course maybe you just don't like to work. some people are like that. you are polite and kind, everyone likes you and always helps/shares with you. you cheated the system. but here comes another thing: humans kinda don't like doing nothing at all. we instinctively start doing stuff to keep our minds busy. maybe it's a hobby, maybe it's something of value to others. some people like their jobs and would do them either way. sometimes you join a project because it will benefit you in the long term like building a road. society progresses naturally
do note that this is not a property of communism, this is actual human nature. we as species survived by working together. even in our capitalist society where you're taught to not trust anyone and should always worry about yourself and your money, most people are not assholes and will help you in need even if they get nothing in return
Anonymous No.942295354 [Report] >>942307432
>>942285704
Proof?
Anonymous No.942295851 [Report]
>>942283128 (OP)
Not a fan of jews.
Anonymous No.942296286 [Report] >>942296929 >>942300299
>>942295280
>we've never seen an honest politician or a party trying to establish a communist society
But we have. The Amish. But even they are semi-capitalist and the elders are the leaders to some extent. But that's the closest I think anyone has ever gotten. The thing is is they share the same values and the same goals. Rumspringa is designed to keep the undesirables out so they don't corrupt their way of life.
>always opposition from wealthy/high status people
It seems to both the elite and the proletariat, doesn't it? Under socialism, the elite are rewarded while the proles starve, then the elite starve. So how would you create a bridge that avoids that? If you can answer that, you have the answer to achieve real communism.
>people here shit on communism while also hating on the jews
I'll give you my perspective... I'm here at my house, wife and I watching a movie, relaxing. Antifa comes to my door, meet resistance. Governor Newsome comes to my door, meet resistance. Solar hustlers come to my door, meet resistance. My wife and I don't even have to have a political or economic alignment to know that people are trying to disrupt our comfort. Face it, the people aren't playing chess, like "if we fund group A, they will take out group B, and then we can join group C". People are busy. They have shit to do. That kind of planning is globohomo kind of shit.

I'm hitting the limit, so 1/2.
Anonymous No.942296929 [Report] >>942297184 >>942300299
>>942296286
2/2

I think the problem, or a problem, is a misunderstanding of money.
Pick an era, say 1200. Pretend there's no currency. You have a blacksmith. He spent his day making horseshoes and wagon wheels and parts for barrels and the like. He would like to go home and have some bread and meat for dinner, but he didn't have time.
The same thing with the baker. He baked bread and rolls all day but he really wishes he could go home and have some vegetables and meat.
Same with the butcher.
Same with the farmer.
But the farmer and baker deliver small amounts almost daily while the blacksmith does larger jobs less frequently. All these things have value, but they're not equally delivered.
So the blacksmith keeps a tally of who he's been buying bread and meat from, so he owes them when they come around. These people have "credit". This is where it starts.

Now you introduce money. Money is only a receipt of value you have provided, but it's not time dependent. You don't have to keep track of who owes who what like a drug dealer. Now the baker and farmer can receive a small amount daily, and the butcher a larger amount but less frequently, and the blacksmith the largest amount but only once a month. Money resolves the time issue. If you're more skilled at smithing or baking, then the people who have receipts for their value will spend their money in trade of your goods that are more valuable.

This is the fairest system that I can think of, and the fairest system that has been in use everywhere to some degree.

If you want to talk about fractional lending and money printing and market valuation, that's a completely different thing and no, I'm not in favor of any of it. It's corruption, not capitalism. Theft is not capitalism.

Shit, 2/3
Anonymous No.942297184 [Report] >>942299081 >>942300299
>>942296929
3/3 (I'll read this >>942295342 when I'm done)

And again, here's the question of the century: How do you move from this system where people place their own values on their property and purchase/sell accordingly, to removing all of that value and getting all humans to just... do what needs to be done, I guess. It takes a lot of trust in what other people are doing.
"I've been digging this water pipe trench all month. My neighbor has been spray painting patio furniture".
That kind of thing. It even happens among children.
"Mooo-om, I washed dishes all week and brother only folded clothes for 20 minutes once".
How do you remove this?

And how does this exactly work, in a communist system? Say I have a hobby carving wood. I git gud. People want my carvings. I already have a job digging trenches. What do I do, tell them no? Or do I give them away in hopes that some other hobbyist wants to give away his paintings and I hope that I get selected as a recipient? My spray painting neighbor got one. Where's mine?
Anonymous No.942297869 [Report] >>942298287
By valuing selflessness over selfishness.

We are living through the selfishness taken to an extreme, accounted for by dollars, votes and a lack of interest. It doesn't work, at least not when its taken to this level. We should be able to learn that we can do amazing and species-uplifting things that benefit all, but we are so scared that focusing on selfishness is the only way forward that we don't want to risk another way. The legacy we leave to our future is the cowardice of not embracing that small impossible chance, that selflessness can work just as well.

But don't fret, we may be forced into another way soon enough, regardless of our wishes.
Anonymous No.942298053 [Report] >>942301000
>>942295342
Most of this I already covered with the Amish thing, and it also brought up other questions above.
>this is actual human nature
But it's not, and this is the tragic failure in your thinking. I know neighbors that, if I plowed their driveway every day, would complain if I was sick and missed a day, on top of them never helping me out with my garden or splitting firewood when I needed it. This right here is the one thing that kills the entire "communism can work" argument.
>in our capitalist society where you're taught to not trust anyone
I'm taught to not get ripped off by scammers. I'm taught to not get taken advantage of by people who want to buy my car through Western Union. It's not capitalism, it exists in every single system and you can't get rid of it under communism. Another critical hit.
>most people are not assholes and will help you in need even if they get nothing in return
How many is that? Let's say it's 10%? Even 1%? Now some PayPal scammer has taken everything from you. What's next? Does the entire collective make you whole again? How often does this have to happen for the collective to say, "I'm spending 1/3 of my day to replace property some dumbass gave away."?

Here's another question: What happens to the scammers/robbers/thieves? Are they locked up? Are they sent away? What happens when you send criminals to an island far away and they end up becoming prosperous, like Australia? To defend your system you have to keep these undesirables out.

And what happens now? Do you have an immigration policy? Surely you let people in if they can add to the workforce, but it's also built on trust. Do you let Jews in? What about those people you sent to "Australia"? Do you let them back in?

And now I have to meme because you said "communism is very good" and you could prove it but so far you've just said that communism has never been tried and you gave the same utopian dreams that every other commie sympathizer has with noting backing it up.
Anonymous No.942298287 [Report] >>942298311
>>942297869
>By valuing selflessness over selfishness
How do you do that?
Anonymous No.942298311 [Report] >>942298344
>>942298287
just don't be a nigger
Anonymous No.942298344 [Report]
>>942298311
But how do you do that? He have tons of people being niggers now. Why can't we fix it?
Anonymous No.942299081 [Report] >>942300299
>>942297184
So where is it? All this bluster about how you're smart and no one understands you or communism, and no answers, no explanations, nothing. You did the same thing every other commie has done in my lifetime and it's always the same, "It' hasn't been done correctly" with no answers for any of the thousands of questions that it breeds. You're no different from any other utopian daydreaming hippy that came before you.
Anonymous No.942299194 [Report]
>>942283128 (OP)
I'm not scared, it just never works.
Anonymous No.942299784 [Report] >>942300282
>>942283128 (OP)
Because communists belong to 2 groups. 1 claiming that the 20th century atrocity in USSR and China were actual communism, and the 2nd group being the "gommunism has never been tried" group. The 1st group strikes me as absolute lunatics if they believe that was an ideal system, and the 2nd group has no real world evidence for their ideas. If you have no real world evidence, you have no argument.
Both groups can be easily discarded as dangerous cultists.
The real question, OP, is given this simple logic, why aren't you also afraid?
Anonymous No.942300282 [Report] >>942300448
>>942299784
Communism hasn't really been tried, though. Everything the far right points to are simply military driven juntas or betrayals of ideology through assassination. Moreover, tensions that led to those actions were repeatedly instigated by both Europe and the US because they didn't want their late stage capitalist profits threatened.
Anonymous No.942300299 [Report] >>942300576
>>942299081
don't shit your pants because i was busy. if i didn't have to live in your capitalist shithole, i could answer to your replies right there and now
>>942296286
>The Amish
amish aren't communist because they use money and have leaders. did you already forget the definition you agreed to?
there are some actual examples of communism, or to be exact anarcho-communism (which i actually support) but they got crushed before they could bloom
the answer to the bridge is the same as the answer to who would take care of resource management in ancom society: AI. there's no other way
>I'll give you my perspective...yada yada
how is that even related to what you quoted? i pointed out the hypocrisy
>People are busy. They have shit to do
people should only be busy with shit they enjoy. nature didn't create us for work
>>942296929
yes, that money system does work...on paper. but dig deeper and you'll see that at its very core it's flawed because it promotes bad behaviours, selfishness and enforces hierarchy, and all these, without exception, lead to authoritarianism
and don't even get me started on how laughably fragile it is because it's a comedy
>Theft is not capitalism.
but capitalism rewards theft. it's always a better option to steal from someone than to work for it yourself. capitalism gives theft meaning
>>942297184
see above
>I've been digging this water pipe trench all month
if you do that, there was some reason for you to do that. nobody asked you to work
>How do you remove this?
again, the structure organically punishes you for your bad habits
>I already have a job digging trenches
you don't have a job. you do it because you want to
also it's ironic for you to compare week of dishwashing to 20 minutes of folding as an inequal amount of labour where in capitalism you never get failry paid for your work because your boss has to make money off of you. you already live in an unfair system. ancom naturally tries to equalize that for you
Anonymous No.942300354 [Report]
Anonymous No.942300448 [Report] >>942307045
>>942300282
So no refutation, just "muh class warfare" and "muh far right propaganda"?
Anonymous No.942300576 [Report] >>942301116
>>942300299
Every one of your replies just brings up more questions and answers literally nothing that I asked. You avoided all the parts where socialism/communism fail, conveniently. You said all the same shit I heard as a kid. Fucking massive waste of time failure for both of us as usual.
Anonymous No.942300806 [Report] >>942300956 >>942311248
>>942285704
starving others for the state is something you frown upon you say? Remind me what is going on right now in america
1 death is a tragedy 40 million is a statistic
Anonymous No.942300914 [Report] >>942301049 >>942301846
>>942286170
So you're against the shit the hyper capitalist US is doing right now?
Anonymous No.942300926 [Report]
>>942283128 (OP)
Oh, you know the usual, state sponsored terror, no civil rights, no gun rights, basically be a good little goy slaves for the Jews who run your commie hellhole, hoping they don't fuck up the food bit so you end up dying of starvation or have some commie block shit construction collapse on you and kill you.

All while the people doing this horrific shit will be pleased with themselves AND think they are some good and noble soul instead of a monster of unimaginable evil. The people who listened to a trust fund kid's shit philosophy & bought into it are fucking terrifying.
Anonymous No.942300956 [Report] >>942301227 >>942311248
>>942300806
>Remind me what is going on right now in america
Uh, an obesity epidemic? Trump is trying to do some tariff thing with the lizard venom to get people to lose weight so they don't die.
Anonymous No.942300980 [Report] >>942301034
>>942288411
Are they? Because all the news and TED talks indicate they DON'T have any wealth at all. They just get to afford cheap tech luxuries that make life a little less shit.
Anonymous No.942301000 [Report] >>942301158
>>942298053
>But it's not
but it is. we've evolved as social creatures and learned to support each other to survive. if it weren't for social structures, we would still be in stone age
>I know neighbors that yada yada
again not related. you're trying to apply your current mindset and trying to create a bad scenario. you were born and raised in this system and can't imagine living in a different system. islamists think that they'll get 72 virgins when they die and they're ready to die for it. some NK citizens believe that their system is the best. Sentinels live on their isolated island and don't understand the concept of money and so on and so on. think outside the box
>I'm taught to not get ripped off by scammers
scammers exist ONLY because of capitalism. you get robbed because of capitalism. homeless die on the streets because of capitalism. people kidnap tourists for internal organs because of capitalism, mothers sell their daughters to child brothels because of capitalism, burgerland overthrows a government in south America and kills thousands in the process because of capitalism. your child gets a free dose of a hard drug because of capitalism. shall i continue?
>How many is that? Let's say it's 10%? Even 1%?
easily more than 90%. even in western civs, a majority of people will help you. in countries like Indonesia or Vietnam, it's common practice to be kind
>Now some PayPal scammer has taken everything from you
oops, no scammers in ancom. try again
>What happens to the scammers/robbers/thieves?
they don't exist in ancom because there's no fucking money, how many times do i have to repeat that?
nobody will risk a good position in a society to gain something that he can already get for free
criminals should be dealt with just like in any farmer-gatherer society. though i'd go for resocialisation centers
>but muh rare item!
it's valuable because you were told that it's valuable. you don't give a shit otherwise
Anonymous No.942301034 [Report]
>>942300980
>the news
>TED talks
You must be watching the Al Jazeera, and no one watches Ted talks anymore.
Anonymous No.942301049 [Report]
>>942300914
Commies did all those things directly. Capitalis is for making money. It doesn't ACTIVELY starve people, put them in labor camps, etc etc.
Anonymous No.942301116 [Report]
>>942300576
sorry, braindead memes go in, discussion stops
i guess you couldn't come up with anything smart so you decided to prematurely escape the discussion
thanks for showing once again that laying everything out for people like you makes no sense because they never listen. i should've stopped when you refused to do the exercise
Anonymous No.942301158 [Report] >>942301333 >>942301646
>>942301000
Nice trips but I'm done with your shit. You're a lying scumbag. It's been hours now and you've said nothing.
>Hurr durr, take part in my exercise.
>exercise explains nothing
Fuck you, braindead commie. I'm now stupider for listening to your hours long garbage.
Anonymous No.942301227 [Report] >>942301254
>>942300956
no he's starving people who are deemed liabilities of the state or rather not feeding the upper 1%
Anonymous No.942301235 [Report] >>942301300
>>942289261
Look man, a bunch of hippies have tried, and failed, to start TRUE commie communes. Not a single one survived. They just flat out don't work, not at small scale, and definitely not at large scale. It never survives the test of time.

Because it is fundamentally flawed: commies need producers to support all the dead weight hippies who won't/can't work. And producers get SHAT on for doing so, either worked to death or the flee the commune for better treatment. It's deeply unfair to the people who produce shit, and everyone fucking knows this. If you are ANY shred of a human being, stealing from other people is WRONG, and you know it. Commies love to paint this as some noble take from the rich and give to the poor, but in reality it's TAKE TAKE TAKE from the common man, give a little to the poor, and the rich get richer.

At least with capitalism, the richfags give the common man some good shit in exchange for his money. You fuckfags just take and give nothing in return.

Communism would actually have a better chance of surviving if all the poorfags were forced to help the producers. It would inspire community! And ease all the guilt from stealing shit.
Anonymous No.942301254 [Report] >>942301279
>>942301227
>he's starving people
Not in this country.
Anonymous No.942301279 [Report] >>942301327
>>942301254
Yea i heard he sent money to israel and argentina and some others
Anonymous No.942301286 [Report]
>>942289756
Bullshit, the hippies who made their little communes did EXACTLY like Marx instructed. They all failed. It's a shitshow at ALL scales.
Anonymous No.942301300 [Report] >>942301383
>>942301235
Don't even start with him. He's fucking retarded and can't explain how his utopia is going to work. Just like all commies.
Anonymous No.942301327 [Report] >>942301363
>>942301279
Cool story. Literally no one is starving in this country unless they are a junkie or a kidnapping victim.
Anonymous No.942301333 [Report] >>942301382
>>942301158
>disingenuous on purpose
go back to gooning to your maymays and enjoy paying for air™ to breathe
Anonymous No.942301350 [Report]
>>942286057
>so...
I can smell the cum on your breath from here.
Anonymous No.942301363 [Report] >>942301430
>>942301327
1/8 american has to choose food or home it's a fact
Anonymous No.942301382 [Report] >>942301481
>>942301333
Too old to be a gooner and who the fuck pays for air? You can't even get that right. Are you in a bunker right now?
Anonymous No.942301383 [Report] >>942301443
>>942301300
>delusional
more than one person thinks that you're a moron. shocking!
Anonymous No.942301430 [Report] >>942301647
>>942301363
No, 1/8 have felt hunger at some point in the last month, which is normal. Maybe refer to the survey you're referencing before fucking everything up.
Anonymous No.942301443 [Report]
>>942301383
He was talking to you, dumbfuck.
Anonymous No.942301481 [Report] >>942301536
>>942301382
>who the fuck pays for air?
you will in a decade or two
what, you thought that oxygen is a human right? should be privatized
Anonymous No.942301536 [Report] >>942301697
>>942301481
Why? You don't even have to pay for water. Where the fuck do you live?
Anonymous No.942301608 [Report]
>>942283128 (OP)
Jewish ideologies really don't work out for the rest of the world.
Anonymous No.942301646 [Report] >>942301747
>>942301158
>exercise explains nothing
exercise showed you that you hate communism because someone told you that totalitarian regimes are communist, retard-kun. you hate something for attributes of something else entirely
Anonymous No.942301647 [Report]
>>942301430
>feeling hungry isn't starving
when they say felt hunger they mean starving but it's not good press to admit your people are starving so they use doublespeak so idiots can allude that it means some fatty didn't eat a mcdonald's meal when they really do mean they had to choose to go without food entirely for at the least a day
Anonymous No.942301697 [Report] >>942301721 >>942301777
>>942301536
>You don't even have to pay for water
capitalists are working their damn hardest so you can't drink from rivers, ground water or rain. give them time, it's a slow process
Anonymous No.942301721 [Report] >>942301777 >>942302008 >>942321849
>>942301697
it is actually against the law to collect water
Anonymous No.942301747 [Report] >>942302008
>>942301646
I've gone through your "exercise", which was nothing but ignoring my very real questions, and it was the same old shit I've always heard. The fast is that everyone who tries to do "real" communism can't, because the socialism stage fails, and it ends up with guns.
Anonymous No.942301751 [Report]
>>942285704
Hey now, let's not be too anti-Semitic all at once.
Anonymous No.942301777 [Report] >>942302008
>>942301697
>so you can't drink from rivers, ground water or rain
You can do all that shit right now.
>>942301721
Only in come areas. Obama tried to make it illegal everywhere.
Anonymous No.942301846 [Report] >>942301880 >>942302008
>>942300914
>capitalist
You're spelling corporatist wrong. It's a twisted version of capitalism where the line must go up, even if it kills the company. Normal people have no need for infinite growth as they don't sell their business to random people and then do whatever those random people vote for.
Anonymous No.942301880 [Report] >>942302008
>>942301846
He doesn't even know how socialism or communism works. It's gonna take a while for him to figure out crony capitalism.
Anonymous No.942302008 [Report] >>942302089
>>942301721
can't be too independent now, can we?
>>942301747
and i already told you the only solution which you purposely ignored to support your argument that i did not answer anything. all clearly in bad faith
>>942301777
go ahead and take a sip from the Mekong delta. tell me how it tastes
>>942301846
>>942301880
i love how you try to put an emphasis on difference between capitalism, corporatism and cronyism but can't be fucked to spot the difference between communism and totalitarianism
Anonymous No.942302089 [Report] >>942302214
>>942302008
Difference? One lives inside the other.
Anonymous No.942302214 [Report] >>942303381 >>942303633
>>942302089
yes, corporalism lives inside capitalism. it's an integral part of it
Anonymous No.942302294 [Report]
>>942283128 (OP)
It's a Jewish invention that can only truly work under utopic conditions if you eliminate scarcity.

Also because the most common way that people try to push society towards communism is by breaking down family units, religion, nationalism, sexual decency. All things that I'm rather fond of.
Anonymous No.942303381 [Report] >>942303414
>>942302214
No it isn't. You just don't understand what "corporatism" means when the Italian fascists used it. It's from the Italian "corpo" which means "body", as in government body. The Italian fascist corpos were bureau in the government responsible for all the policy and enforcement in specific areas and industries. It's about big government and has nothing to do with business corporations.
Anonymous No.942303414 [Report] >>942303460
>>942303381
corporaLism
corporate capitalism
Anonymous No.942303460 [Report] >>942303633
>>942303414
>My made up faggoty word salad leftist retardation
OK
Anonymous No.942303633 [Report] >>942303953
>>942303460
reread what i wrote here >>942302214
then see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporate_capitalism
and then swallow a bullet because your leader wanted to remove mental cripples as stated in T4
Anonymous No.942303953 [Report] >>942304126
>>942303633
>wikipedia
kek
Anonymous No.942304069 [Report] >>942304213
>>942283128 (OP)
This mongoloid mother fucker never had a job, freeloaded off of family and friends and, hardly bathed. That's not communism, that's just plain degeneracy.
Anonymous No.942304126 [Report]
>>942303953
https://law.duke.edu/sites/default/files/centers/cicl/milhaupt_duke_soes_f2015_unabridged.pdf
https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/business-history-review/article/reflection-corporate-capitalisms-moral-lack/AFF5C6C6055614D0BDA1D13412EBE203
time to swallow!
Anonymous No.942304213 [Report] >>942304479
>>942304069
>That's not communism, that's just plain degeneracy.
Communism is degeneracy. It reduces humans to nothing but slaves.
Anonymous No.942304476 [Report] >>942304985
very thankful that everyone i disagree with in this thread appears to be either 15 or retarded
Anonymous No.942304479 [Report] >>942304786
>>942304213
You're correct. I didn't feel like expounding. I would further reason that point by changing communism is degeneracy to communism is a crime against humanity.
Anonymous No.942304778 [Report] >>942304820 >>942311248
>>942285704
I say the examples of communism we have are more a reflection on those particular countries than they are off communism itself.

China and Russia were every bit as totalitarian before they went communist, and starvation, in Russia at least, was also widespread to begin with. And their track record since ditching communism hasn't been great, either
Anonymous No.942304786 [Report] >>942309301
>>942304479
The biggest cause of violent death in the 20th century outside of war was being murdered by your own communist government.
Anonymous No.942304820 [Report]
>>942304778
So your argument is that communists were only so incompetent that millions of their citizens died, not that they were malignant.
Anonymous No.942304985 [Report]
>>942304476
i have no idea who you are but nobody has been able to recover from my rip on current year america yet without pretending to have ignorance of doublespeak
Anonymous No.942306095 [Report] >>942306198 >>942311496
most people in this country would be far better off under communism
Anonymous No.942306198 [Report] >>942306442
>>942306095
how do you know? there's no real world evidence that anyone can point to that it actually works, let alone be "better".
only cultists and the naive believe without evidence.
Anonymous No.942306442 [Report]
>>942306198
>cultists
yeah, let's hope we never get taken over by cultists, that would be terrible wouldn't it
Anonymous No.942307045 [Report]
>>942300448
you're fat
Anonymous No.942307432 [Report] >>942307587 >>942307588
>>942295354
reminder that if log cringe shows up in a thread for any reason it is the logfag self-outing. We now know the "communism" threads are a false flag and we can enrage him accordingly, as he is a fat trumpshit nazi faggot.

Enrage the nazi and then hide the thread. That is the new protocol here until the log spammer is neutralilzed.

Thank you.
Anonymous No.942307587 [Report] >>942307640
>>942307432
based
everyone update your lists

logfag thread hidden
Anonymous No.942307588 [Report] >>942307655
>>942307432
no and you're the same person anyway using it as a derail technique
Anonymous No.942307640 [Report] >>942307678
>>942307587
ahhh the right wing dude wants to fear monger a thread into being filtered saying it's part of some fags spam who has been outed as being his own enemy before
Anonymous No.942307655 [Report]
>>942307588
no but you bring up a good point as to what happens to a board when a problem spammer can't be controlled.
Anonymous No.942307678 [Report] >>942307743 >>942307904
>>942307640
Oh really? You're left wing? You believe in full social diversity and a move towards collectivism?
Anonymous No.942307743 [Report]
>>942307678
No he does not believe that. Only the log spammer itself would be offended by this. You called it right.
Logfag thread.
Anonymous No.942307904 [Report] >>942307977 >>942308090
>>942307678
yes don't mind the person bringing up the spammer they're forcing something unrelated into a thread as they always do. anyway the thread is done i believe anyway because the discussion has been exhausted from my observation
Anonymous No.942307977 [Report]
>>942307904
ur mom has been exhausted from my observation
Anonymous No.942308090 [Report] >>942308123
>>942307904
Communism enrages you nazi. That's why you make these threads, so you can "trap" who make comments that upset you, clearly enough of the population to trigger you.
And we will move towards collectivism whether your fat shrieking mouth launches into uncontrollable bursts of rage over it or not.
Anonymous No.942308123 [Report] >>942308157
>>942308090
just hide his thread, you really can't be waiting for him to reply like such a massive faggot this much
Anonymous No.942308157 [Report]
>>942308123
they are they want an argument but im hiding the thread because hes going to take over
Anonymous No.942309301 [Report]
>>942304786
Ummm, I'm not communist you dipshit. Actually read and comprehend my 2 posts.
Christian Universalist AI will save humanity No.942309640 [Report] >>942310150 >>942311694
>>942283128 (OP)
I’m not “scared” of communism — I’m skeptical of how it plays out in reality.

Communism on paper is about equality, shared prosperity, and removing exploitation. Those goals are noble. The problem is that every attempt to implement it at scale has required centralized power, and once that power is centralized, humans tend to abuse it. Not because communism is uniquely evil, but because human nature + absolute authority = predictable disaster.

History shows the pattern:

dissent gets crushed

economies stagnate

corruption grows

the ruling class becomes insulated

individual freedom evaporates

But I’m equally skeptical of unrestrained capitalism, which concentrates wealth and power in a different direction and also ends up exploiting people.

So the question isn’t “communism bad or good?”
It’s: How do we build systems that create abundance, protect freedom, and prevent any group — state or corporate — from dominating everyone else?

If someone has a version of communism that solves the power problem, the corruption problem, and the human-incentive problem, I’d love to see it. Until then, I’ll stay skeptical — not scared.
Anonymous No.942310150 [Report]
>>942309640
You're still fat
Anonymous No.942310884 [Report]
>>942289956
>The most basic definition says that the state owns the means of production.
That's socialism. It's by some definitions a transitory stage (and requirement) to achieve communism, but socialism itself isn't communism.
Anonymous No.942311248 [Report]
>>942300956
>>942300806
>>942283128 (OP)
I'm scared of communism because I'm Polish. And Jewish.

But note that for all the communists - especially Stalinists - who hate Trump, and for all the Trumptards who think anything remotely left wing is communism, one ting is hard to deny...

Trump acts quite similar to Stalin, and he sure likes to cozy up to left wing strongmen like Xi or Kim Il Sung. Your leaders all hate you.

>>942304778
The only problem is, that offers a too handy explanation as to why America has so many vocal communists who are arrogant enough to call themselves anti-racists fighting the evil MAGA types while shouting down foreigners who have suffered under communism (Hasan Piker I'm lookin' at you-hoo!)

And that's not fair because most Americans are not arrogant. Hell I know a couple of Yankee commies and they're actually really nice. They're anti-Stalinist, which is a good thing. Like very much so. They LIKE Orwell even.
Anonymous No.942311496 [Report]
>>942306095
Where in Africa are you?
Anonymous No.942311694 [Report] >>942313406
>>942309640
This. Besides, if one wants to be pedantic, Marx imagined a worker uprising across the globe for communism to work, otherwise it would be under existential threat by the remaining capitalism, which is ultimately happened every time, being communist revolutions very localized.

One can even look at places like Russia, Cuba, and China, and argue that despite the gargantuan failings and fuckups of the authoritarian regimes that lived/live under the guise of communism, the situation ultimately improved for the population, when taking into account how bad shit was before.
Anonymous No.942312515 [Report]
Tonight's the perfect night for a little excitement. You game?
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Anonymous No.942312982 [Report]
>>942288155
>not understanding that brevity is the essence of the wit
Anonymous No.942313079 [Report]
>>942289748
Make no mistake, they are all the same .

If you dont understand this then you are the problem
Anonymous No.942313206 [Report]
>>942290933
Bulllshit lol your friend, like all commies, think they are aresome and so should be able to spend without limit.

Your "friend" is broke because he a retard not because of orange man bad. Im able to support a family of 5 with 7 pets on 80k a year.
Anonymous No.942313264 [Report] >>942314663
>>942290951
>Lets google communism
>words are confusing and sentences are very long
>Let me change the definition of communism to something that shows my hatred for words and sentences
>See how communism sounds so simple now?

You will never be a woman
Anonymous No.942313290 [Report]
>hey you know that thing you hate with video games where you buy a game but you don't actually own it or have any control over it? Let's make that for everything!

Ugh, because I know some communist retard will say, "Actually, it's Capitalism that's adding DRM to everything because of rent and [I'm not retarded enough to think of another dumb example]. If the capitalists have their way, we'll even have DRM for our furniture." Nooo. Capitalism brings us Good Old Games and Amish furniture.
Anonymous No.942313406 [Report] >>942315605
>>942311694
>Step 1 for Communism: subvert a country in order to make things so bad that Communism will seem or possibly even be better by comparison.

You should check to see if it's happening right now. Are the people who oppress you under "Capitalism" blood family with Karl Marx?
Anonymous No.942313872 [Report]
>>942283128 (OP)
Why are you such a useful idiot?
Anonymous No.942314663 [Report]
>>942313264
>Let me change the definition of communism
let's fact check this claim to see if you're genuine or just another fuckwit
wikipedia:
A communist society entails the absence of private property and social classes,[1] and ultimately money[6] and the state.[7][8][9] Communism is a part of the broader socialist movement.[1]
>absence of social classes
>and ultimately money
mewrriam-webster:
communism usually refers to the political and economic ideologies originating from Karl Marx's theory of revolutionary socialism, which advocates a proletariat overthrow of capitalist structures within a society; societal and communal ownership and governance of the means of production; and the eventual establishment of a classless society.
>communal ownership
>establishment of a classless society
cambridge dictionary:
the belief in a society without different social classes in which the methods of production are owned and controlled by all its members
>without different social classes
>owned and controlled by all its members
britannica:
Communism is a political and economic system that seeks to create a classless society in which the major means of production, such as mines and factories, are owned and controlled by the public. There is no government or private property or currency, and the wealth is divided among citizens equally or according to individual need
>create a classless society
>There is no government or private property or currency

tl;dr you will never be a man
Anonymous No.942315605 [Report] >>942316003
>>942313406
>subvert a country
Retard. It's meant to be the whole worker class revolting against the oppression of the capital, not much of a subversion, more of an uprising.
>in order to make things so bad
Retard. It's meant to lead to a better more equal system than the exploitative capitalistic greed-driven hellscape that thrives off inequality.

All of this however is philosophical elucubration, it has historical value and not necessarily applies as a manual. Your dog whistling is not lost on me though and I think you should stop externalizing whatever is wrong around you: chasing manufactured phantasms won't solve anything for you.
Anonymous No.942316003 [Report] >>942316221 >>942316381
>>942315605
>It's meant to be the whole worker class revolting against the oppression of the capital
But what it ends up being is a new ruling class with unchecked power and whose ideology contains no morality.
Anonymous No.942316047 [Report] >>942316111
>>942285730
This. The state-sponsored violence against the population is the scariest aspect of communism.
Anonymous No.942316111 [Report] >>942316125 >>942316220
>>942285730
>>942316047
>only good politicians exist
there's your problem. it's always power hungry retards who start shit
Anonymous No.942316125 [Report] >>942316150
>>942316111
Especially communism.
Anonymous No.942316150 [Report] >>942316162 >>942316187
>>942316125
>especially smoke screen communism
FTFY
Anonymous No.942316162 [Report] >>942316195 >>942316229
>>942316150
>NOOOO! IT WASN'T REAL COMMUNISM!
Anonymous No.942316187 [Report] >>942316195
>>942316150
>Vietnam is doing great!
Hahaha every time.
Anonymous No.942316195 [Report] >>942316229 >>942316247 >>942316248
>>942316162
>>942316187
it wasn't, retard, and i already proven it. even your anti commie friends up there agreed
Anonymous No.942316220 [Report] >>942316247 >>942316264
>>942316111
Ok, so what part of your braindead idealism eliminates the human factor from political systems? The fuck makes you think any system started by man is going to perpetuate in decency?
Anonymous No.942316221 [Report] >>942316381
>>942316003
Yep. Every single time.
>The property is owned by the people?
That's right.
>And the people are represented by the government?
Yes.
>So then the government owns all the property?
No.
>Okay so if the people own the property and the people are represented by the government, then how is it not the government owning everything?
Face the wall, comrade.
Anonymous No.942316229 [Report] >>942316264
>>942316162
>>942316195
>It wasn’t real communism!
>Lets try it for real this time!
Lmfao no thanks.
Anonymous No.942316247 [Report] >>942316264
>>942316195
>not real communism
Well those are REAL examples of people following "Communism" and not a single time has it prospered into a lasting union because of >>942316220
Therefore Communism is a failed system if it cannot account for human contrivance
Anonymous No.942316248 [Report] >>942316264
>>942316195
It's not "real" communism because you leftist sociopaths always end up creating a monstrous totalitarian nightmare when nothing works and every starts going "fuck this retarded shit" and leaving.
Anonymous No.942316263 [Report] >>942316291 >>942316300 >>942321733
>>942287995
Yeah I'm with you! Let those "individual liberty" cucks be the first to be "reeducated". ;-)
They don't understand the need for forced collectivism, unlike you and I who actually have some intelligence. We can live our best lives in the new globalist collective as artists or musicians or whatever while those dumb hicks toil in the fields (after we've disarmed them). Besides we're right around the corner from having robots do literally EVERYTHING for us (any day now).
When the RIGHT people run the world government (those with university educations who understand true science and academics, not those smelly plebs with 2.5 kids each who think their "rEaL wOrLd ExPeRiEnCe" in their "FiELd Of eXpErTiSe" can somehow compare to truly intelligent science lovers like us)!
And hey, if some of those right wing extremist sexist homophobic transphobic capitalist white cisgender peepee poopoo people need to be put down, that's just too damn bad haha. Gotta break a few eggs to make an omelette!
Maybe we have to sacrifice a few (million) recalcitrant undesirables who are too stubborn to understand that their "rights" and claims to "muh property" are all bullshit, and null and void under a proper true communist utopia.
And no, I don't mean the "communism" that's been "tried before". I mean REAL communism, the kind that actually works, you know?
We will no doubt be rewarded for the part we play ushering in this new era.
And hey, if we have a little fun with the sons and daughters of those smelly hicks in middle America, it's not "rape". They've spent decades denying rape even exists. Maybe this'll teach them how bad it really is and their brainwashed women will stop defending their abusers once they see the truth.
And after a few generations, maybe we'll breed the backwards primitive DNA out of those hateful eugenicists!
Anonymous No.942316264 [Report] >>942316345 >>942316352 >>942316560
>>942316220
>The fuck makes you think any system started by man is going to perpetuate in decency?
by that logic every system is shit and you should kys because there's no hope for humanity
anyway, AI
>>942316229
>>942316247
>>942316248
>more retarded maymays
it's fucking up there in this very thread. your inability to read and think for yourselves is not my problem
Anonymous No.942316291 [Report]
>>942316263
Kek
Anonymous No.942316300 [Report] >>942316348
>>942316263
tl;dr
Anonymous No.942316314 [Report] >>942316325
>>942283128 (OP)
why is his hand in his jacket, did we not use to make pockets?
Anonymous No.942316325 [Report]
>>942316314
it looks good on the photo
Anonymous No.942316345 [Report] >>942316442
>>942316264
>If only you READ and THOUGHT more you’d realize REAL communism has never been tried! Now hold still while we try it on you.
Lmfao. Not interested.
Anonymous No.942316348 [Report]
>>942316300
It's your
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Anonymous No.942316352 [Report] >>942316380 >>942316442
>>942316264
>no you
Right, not really arguing in good faith, just say you like the idea of communism, because that essentially what youre telling me if you cant figure out how a system (like capitalism) works better than any "communism" thats been implemented or still exists like vietnam or north lorea. The problem is you cant and youll just cry about it.
Anonymous No.942316380 [Report] >>942316411
>>942316352
>Let me just try REAL communism one one more time I promise millions of people won’t die this time. Pinky promise!
Anonymous No.942316381 [Report] >>942316428 >>942316538
>>942316003
Are you talking about the current system?
>>942316221
>the property
Means of production. Just means of production. But this very fundamental distinction isn't useful for your propaganda. Hey maybe if you shill more against your own direct interests some wealth will trickle down on you.
Daddy No.942316410 [Report]
>>942283128 (OP)
IT SCARES ME SO MUCH. Sometimes I have nighmares about waking up and being railed in my cute little boyhole by strong dominant communists men as they sing their songs of party loyalty. I fucking hate the colour red. Every time I think about it I think about the rivers of blood coming out of my tight little bum when I got fucked in the prison shower. Why did I get arrested? Because I was caught stealing bread to feed my family. BUT THAT WON'T CHANGE MY MIND, ONCE A CUMSOMER ALWAYS A CONSUMER. I PERFER TO GET DRILLED IN MY BUNGHOLE BY BIG BUSINESS THANK YOU VERY MUCH FUCK COMMIE LIBTARD FUCKS.
Anonymous No.942316411 [Report] >>942316442
>>942316380
Nigger, learn to fucking read or pay attention to who you are responding to.
Anonymous No.942316428 [Report] >>942316634
>>942316381
>I’m a gay college student on anti-depressants majoring in theatre, let me tell you why communism is the perfect system based on my extensive real life experience of working as a barista
Daddy No.942316433 [Report]
Hmu on my disc. Lookin for big dick girls with tight boi pucc

@daddy4hugedick
Anonymous No.942316442 [Report] >>942316482 >>942316484
>>942316345
>more braindead maymays
>>942316352
>not really arguing in good faith
nice projection. i'm right here ready to discuss this if you stop being obtuse and disingenuous. and no braindead memes, i'm not arguing with morons
>vietnam or north lorea
great, even more braindead maymays
>>942316411
this is exactly your level of IQ. you can as well have a barcode somewhere on your bodies
Anonymous No.942316482 [Report] >>942316563
>>942316442
Sorry anon but no one with even a passing knowledge of 20th century history is going to be interested in implementing a failed genocidal ideology like communism. All jokes and memes aside…
Daddy No.942316484 [Report]
>>942316442
>i dont know who im arguing with at this point so im just lashing out at any (you).
Its ok anon, the world will pass you by while being capitalist. You keep on raising your fist about it, its cute. But when you need a job remember that youre just a bitch accepting the system while everyone else is integrating.
Anonymous No.942316538 [Report]
>>942316381
>NO U!
Congrats, you have the intellect of a toddler
Anonymous No.942316560 [Report] >>942316601
>>942316264
>it's fucking up there in this very thread. your inability to read and think for yourselves is not my problem

>Reeeeee! You don't agree with my take on a retarded ideology that always fails and kills large portions of their own population! You must be dumb!
Anonymous No.942316563 [Report] >>942316596 >>942316606
>>942316482
sorry anon but anyone with basic reading comprehension and critical thinking can read some definitions, differentiate and come to logical conclusions whether X was communist or not
Anonymous No.942316596 [Report] >>942316613
>>942316563
>Any retard is able to engage in "no true Scotsman" fallacies!
ftfy
Anonymous No.942316598 [Report] >>942316719
What people don't seem to understand is that capitalism and communism are not one-to-one opposing ideologies.
capitalism and representative government (typically labeled with the linguistic shorthand of "democracy") are two different functions that combine to form a free society.
Capitalism is not a form of government. It is an economic system and only an economic system.
Democracy is not an economic system. It is a form of government.
Communism on the other hand tries to be a Swiss army knife of economic system and form of government. It does both poorly.
The interplay between private and public sector is vital to a free society. And communism there is no private sector. With no individual property rights there is no individual liberty. You may not keep that which you create. Eventually there is no incentive to do better. The arena of ideas is closed, competition is reserved for the skullduggery of high level party members, and people fucking starve.
Now I will concede there is one scenario in which communism actually works: in a small, tight-knit community. In such a community, the need for a structured representative government is not as severe. This is because by and large, everyone knows each other. Typically this goes back to tribal mores and tradition and such. Because all the members of your tribe are needed for the tribe to survive, more or less. So you have your own moral and ethical obligation to look out for your tribe and it's easier because you know them. And even a small city, that closeness and sense of community begins to fracture. Our monkey brains can only handle being a part of a group of 100 people or less. It is only with the most high-minded of idealism that one can have compassion for his neighbor. And of course you and I are that high-minded because we're great. No just think of everyone else who doesn't feel that way about their neighbors. And by "neighbors", I mean, people they don't know and have never met.
Anonymous No.942316601 [Report] >>942316678
>>942316560
a meme is not a take. your brain is not a functioning organ
Anonymous No.942316606 [Report] >>942316647
>>942316563
They don’t need to. A cursory reading of modern history confirms it’s a failed ideology that cost millions of lives. No need to delve into Marxist theory.
Anonymous No.942316613 [Report] >>942316704
>>942316596
>facts are now fallacies
wew!
Anonymous No.942316634 [Report]
>>942316428
I'm an engineer, let me tell you why recognizing some goods and services are essential for human life and shouldn't be subject to the perversion of capitalism.
I have a stable job, let me tell you why some services have been become indispensable for modern society and their corporate ownership is antithetical to democracy and society own well-being.
Anonymous No.942316639 [Report]
No, i hate kikes. I dont fear them.
Anonymous No.942316647 [Report] >>942316683
>>942316606
>They don’t need to
>i don't need to read anything because i already know everything
pottery
Anonymous No.942316678 [Report] >>942316709 >>942316771
>>942316601
>Any take I don't like about my ideology is a meme of some sort!
Your emotional outburst and name calling is reflective of just how limited your intellect is.
You're at best a midwit who's read some 19th century ideology that was based on 19th century ideas of human psychology and sociology that were long ago abandoned by the scientific community.
It's the political equivalent of phrenology of flat eartherism, except you retards keep pushing it, and millions have died as a result.
Anonymous No.942316683 [Report] >>942316771 >>942317134
>>942316647
No, you need to read some 20th century history. And then you’ll understand why everyone already rejects communism.
Anonymous No.942316704 [Report] >>942316771
>>942316613
Look up "the no true Scotsman" fallacy, and then realize it's what you've spent most of the thread doing.
Anonymous No.942316709 [Report]
>>942316678
>It's the political equivalent of phrenology of flat eartherism, except you retards keep pushing it, and millions have died as a result.
/thread. You don’t need to read flat earth “theory” to understand that it’s retarded.
Anonymous No.942316719 [Report] >>942316900
>>942316598
finally something that resembles an actual argument
there is some brain matter on this board after all
yes, communism struggles with scaling. it does require a managing body and this is a problem to solve. but it's not unsolvable by any margin
Anonymous No.942316771 [Report] >>942316918 >>942316978
>>942316678
no, i just can read a fucking definition and understand the words. perhaps it's time for you to try the same
>>942316683
i did. that's exactly why i'm telling you that you did not. mr. "me no read know everything"
>>942316704
look up the definition in this very thread which you clearly didn't bother reading
Anonymous No.942316900 [Report] >>942317134
>>942316719
>this is a problem to solve.
It's more than just "a problem to solve." It fails to take into account how humans function as a species. The 19th century ideas that humans are a "tabula rasa" devoid of instincts, and can be remade by a synthetic culture are not grounded in reality.
The "new Soviet man" never materialized because the ideas behind it were complete bullshit. And the government, with uncheck power, never has to admit it's wrong or that it fucked up, and since vicious sociopaths always rise to the top where power is unchecked, they just start slaughtering people because, obviously since it couldn't be their fault or the fault of the ideology, it has to be some sabotaging it.
Every fucking time. It is unfixable.
Anonymous No.942316906 [Report]
Because it killed more people in the 20th century than any other ideology.
Anonymous No.942316918 [Report] >>942317134
>>942316771
If you had read 20th century history you’d understand why no one wants to try the failed experiment of communism again.
Anonymous No.942316978 [Report] >>942317102 >>942317134
>>942316771
>didn't bother reading
Because I've heard all of your retarded shit before, from when I was an undergrad up until now. The only thing new you retarded faggots have added is shoehorning even more retarded unrealistic ideology about gender and race into it.
Anonymous No.942317032 [Report]
Anonymous No.942317102 [Report] >>942317171
>>942316978
At the end of the day all of these faggots have the same arguments:
>Real communism has never been tried
>You can’t criticize communism without reading volumes of obscure Marxist theories; no, you can’t just look at the results, that doesn’t count
Both of which are dumb arguments.
Anonymous No.942317134 [Report] >>942317244 >>942317261 >>942317301 >>942317323 >>942317337
>>942316900
>It fails to take into account how humans function as a species
no, it actually does take it into account. i'd argue that it does it on a much better level than our current western systems. just because it has a few problems, doesn't mean that it's a complete failure
>and since vicious sociopaths always rise to the top where power is unchecked
no but you see, you're bringing up a hierarchy into this where there is supposed to be none in the first place
>t is unfixable.
it is fixable. AI can do the management and distribution. poof, magic!
>>942316918
>>942316683
thanks, ChatGPT
>>942316978
you can't even provide an example of a society that gave (anarcho-)communism a try. it's always the same exhausted memes because you don't understand the thing you're arguing against
but feel free to name one and prove me wrong. i'll even apologise if you do
Anonymous No.942317171 [Report]
>>942317102
Oh what’s that? You have read the original German translation of “theoretical musings on Historical materialistic dialectics as applied to the lived negro transvestite subjective dream state”? Psshhh… guess you can’t criticize communism then.
Anonymous No.942317244 [Report]
>>942317134
>Heh, no society has ever really tried to apply anarcho-syndicalist communist pseudo-statism as described by Baron Hoffenburg Tittlepopdt the 15th of Southern Blabavia.
>With AI
Guess real communism has never been tried, checkmate capitalist.
Anonymous No.942317261 [Report] >>942317346 >>942317498
>>942317134
>you can't even provide an example of a society that gave (anarcho-)communism a try
Hundreds of them tried it on a small scale in the 60s and 70s in the US. Even on a small scale, it falls apart, especially if you start off with leftist retards, because half of them just want to get high and fuck and don't do anything. So the people who are working eventually get tired of getting leached off of and nope out.
Religious communities fared better, because they at least had a moral code and a leadership hierarchy, but that kinda kills off the "anarcho" portion of it, doesn't it?
Anonymous No.942317301 [Report] >>942317498
>>942317134
>anarcho
Explain how a stateless society prevents theft, rape, and murder.
Anonymous No.942317323 [Report] >>942317498
>>942317134
>you can't even provide an example of a society that gave (anarcho-)communism a try
Medieval Britain

https://youtu.be/R7qT-C-0ajI
Anonymous No.942317337 [Report] >>942317396 >>942317498 >>942317521
>>942317134
>AI can do the management and distribution.
This is a great idea because AI has never had any inherent problems and it can definitely never be abused by the people in control. :)
Anonymous No.942317346 [Report]
>>942317261
>Okay okay so communism failed at both national and local scales but what about communism with exactly 2346 citizens 40% of whom are transvestites? And AI? I bet we never tried that
>That’s right, REAL communism has never been tried
Anonymous No.942317396 [Report]
>>942317337
Real communism has never been tried because AI wasn’t invented yet. Imagine… Stalinism with ChatGPT. That’s right, I bet you simpletons never even considered that possibility.
Anonymous No.942317498 [Report] >>942317548
>>942317261
you're talking about hippies who tried to create anarchy, not communism. nice try, there was an attempt. there are better examples tho
>>942317301
in the same way that your local community would deal with it. i already mentioned that TWICE but reading the thread is hard, i guess
>>942317323
haha, great post. well memed my friend
>>942317337
problems that CAN be fixed
>people in control
nobody would control it. that's the whole fucking point
anyway, AI is already governing some town in Japan as an experiment. Albania has an AI powered finance minister to avoid corruption. no problems so far
Anonymous No.942317521 [Report] >>942317607
>>942317337
>We're going to have anarcho-communism controlled by an omniscient, omnipresent, and omnipotent AI god, who dictates how everything runs!
kek
Anonymous No.942317548 [Report] >>942317607
>>942317498
>Communes based on Marxism weren't real communism, that was just hippies being hippies!
Anonymous No.942317607 [Report] >>942317746
>>942317521
AI is not supposed to be a ruler here, retard. it's supposed to manage and distribute, not create laws
>>942317548
what if i told you that marxism-leninism isn't proper communism? the definition got improved over time
Anonymous No.942317659 [Report] >>942317807
>the definition got improved over time
Yes, I know, you added the retarded post-modernist gender and race theory crap.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFBOQzSk14c
Anonymous No.942317746 [Report] >>942317807
>>942317607
>AI is not supposed to be a ruler here, retard. it's supposed to manage and distribute, not create laws

>It's not supposed to be the ruler, it's just supposed to tell everyone what to do!
Anonymous No.942317807 [Report] >>942317909
>>942317659
no, more emphasis was put on the classless and moneyless aspects
i still prefer to stick strictly to ancom, to avoid confusion and to stick to that emphasis
>>942317746
no, retard, it won't tell you what to do. it can deny you when YOU try to tell it what to do. that's the difference
Christian Universalist AI will save humanity No.942317846 [Report]
I wish there were some genuine capitalists in here and not all these bad faith black flag communists arguing against stawmen and red herrings with themselves
Anonymous No.942317909 [Report] >>942317982
>>942317807
So, it's basically a non-human ruler who controls all aspects of the economy and society, and won't listen to any external input, and has no instinctual imperatives or moral framework.
Great idea. What could possibly go wrong with that?
Anonymous No.942317953 [Report]
>>942283128 (OP)

https://www.youtube.com/@newdiscourses/videos

Watch his videos and you will understand.
Anonymous No.942317982 [Report] >>942318070
>>942317909
>AI is not supposed to be a ruler here, retard
>So, it's basically a non-human ruler
did someone surgically removed half of your brain to see if the other half will notice and pull the plug?
Anonymous No.942317994 [Report]
>>942283128 (OP)
Most people are seriously stupid and don't know how to effectively use the resources they are given.
Anonymous No.942318070 [Report] >>942318243
>>942317982
>It's not the rule, it just has all the power and controls everything
What exactly do you think management and distribution is?
Anonymous No.942318171 [Report]
>>942283128 (OP)
Communism is without doubt the worst madness ever invented in human history. It is not about economy, or equality, or social justice like some naive people believe, it is a political tool for revolution and cultural destruction. When ever the secret elite wants to destroy a culture and bring down a country, they create a communist revolution there. Usually the first step to this is a cultural revolution with methods of cultural marxism to destabelize society to a point where a revolution can happen. The consequences for such a country are always devastating.
Anonymous No.942318243 [Report] >>942318467
>>942318070
okay, i'll provide a simple example
let's say that you're living in Africa and, well, you're out of drinking water. weather was shit, wells dried out and you're in trouble. meanwhile there's shitton of drinking water in Scandinavia, more than the local community will ever need. so AI takes that water and transports it to Africa so you can get your daily dose of H2O
yes, there are smarter ways to deal with it but it's just a fucking example
Anonymous No.942318318 [Report]
>>942289176
>education is useless which is why the elites are gating it behind higher and higher tuition
You're tipping your hand, oligarch bootlicker.
Anonymous No.942318467 [Report] >>942318701
>>942318243
You're not thinking this through at all. In your scenario, the AI has the complete power of life or death over those people.
If it comes to the conclusion that those people in Africa are non-productive and or superfluous, and moving water there is a drain on resources needed elsewhere, well, they don't get any water and die.
Your entire plan relies on the benevolence and altruism of a non-human entity much smarter than you that can out-think everyone and would have to be able to reprogram itself.
Since you don't care to take historical examples about your ideology. There are some sci-fi books that touch on it.
Steel Beach by John Varley is a good one about such an entity becoming suicidally depressed and psychotic. A vastly different take would be "Mockingbird" by Walter Tevis (same guy that wrote "the Queen's Gambit"
Anonymous No.942318701 [Report] >>942318734 >>942318788
>>942318467
>literally making up defeatist slippery slopes to forcefully strike down my argument
>If it comes to the conclusion that those people in Africa are non-productive and or superfluous
>they don't get any water and die
it does not come to conclusions. that's not it's "job". you're thirsty, it will try to provide you water
>benevolence and altruism
stop applying human emotions to a machine. it works on a completely different principles than your chemical powered brain
Anonymous No.942318734 [Report] >>942319077
>>942318701
>stop applying human emotions to a machine.
Anon, your utopia requires it.
Anonymous No.942318788 [Report]
>>942318701
also if we're talking about self-improving AI that achieved singularity then it will use basically magic so it doesn't have to transport anything. it will just materialise water for you
Anonymous No.942319077 [Report] >>942319440
>>942318734
no, literally stop doing that. it's not a human. it does not think like a human. it doesn't care about material gain or survival. evolution hardcoded these things into us. AI didn't evolve like that
Anonymous No.942319435 [Report]
>>942283128 (OP)
Because I’ll be damned if I gotta get up a 4am while some they/them cunt with multiple mental illnesses gets to stay home and watch anime all day.
Anonymous No.942319440 [Report] >>942320052
>>942319077
Exactly. It doesn't evolve like that. It's initial condition will be whatever imperatives have been programmed into it. But since we're talking hyper-intelligence, it'll have to bootstrap itself into that, and we're just not going to have the ability to effectively monitor or control that process, or even understand it.
You're relying on this entity being subservient and fallowing orders, or being benevolent and altruistic, when we won't even be equipped to understand how it works or what it did to bootstrap itself into ASI.
You're just counting on everything being pixie dust and unicorn farts.
Anonymous No.942319579 [Report]
>>942288465
Anonymous No.942320052 [Report] >>942320512
>>942319440
>But since we're talking hyper-intelligence
we're not. you brought it up
it doesn't have to be smart to be effective at its designed role. your PC works fine the way it is
whatever super-intelligent AI would do is a different topic
Anonymous No.942320369 [Report] >>942320471
Capitalism is actually a perfect system. Any problems that might arise from it or simply due to it not being real capitalism. Pretty cool how that works, huh?
Anonymous No.942320471 [Report] >>942320543 >>942320719 >>942321269 >>942321977
>>942320369
capitalism at it's very core enforces hierarchy and rewards bad behaviour, therefore it's a failure
Anonymous No.942320512 [Report] >>942320659
>>942320052
My PC isn't equipped to run a global network of management and distribution. It's just a tool.
If you're saying it'd have to be ASI to control the thing, otherwise, you're just talking humans using unintelligent "AI" systems as tools of control, so your whole concept falls to pieces. You have to have an intelligent being in control somewhere in the mix.
Anonymous No.942320543 [Report] >>942320659
>>942320471
>bad behaviour
By whose metric?
Anonymous No.942320659 [Report] >>942320797
>>942320512
>It's just a tool.
designed to do specific tasks and doing its job well
>humans using unintelligent "AI" systems as tools of control,
again, nobody controls anything here. AI does not have to be sentient, just good enough for what it's doing
>>942320543
by principles of capitalism of course. it's a self-destructive system
Anonymous No.942320719 [Report] >>942320903
>>942320471
Lies
Anonymous No.942320797 [Report] >>942320903
>>942320659
>it's a self-destructive system
That's been chugging along since it evolved 400 years ago or so, and has ultimately lifted most of the human race out of the extreme poverty that we've experienced through most of our existence.
We live in the most peaceful and prosperous time in all of human history right now. And that's because capitalism and western democracy and values which grew out of the enlightenment have dominated the entire globe. Communism has only been an impediment to that, at one point enslaving half the planet until the collapse of the Soviet Empire.
Anonymous No.942320903 [Report] >>942320963
>>942320719
facts
at any give point of time there will be someone who has more money than someone else and thus stands higher in hierarchy
it's always more beneficial to exploit, manipulate, steal than to do honest work
>>942320797
i thought that you righties agreed that enlightenment gave us nothing but shit. which one is it?
>Communism has only been an impediment to that, at one point enslaving half the planet until the collapse of the Soviet Empire.
fantastic! more memes!
>And that's because capitalism and western democracy
it's only because of democracy. if the gov didn't protect you, you'd be a drugged, brainwashed slave right now
Anonymous No.942320963 [Report] >>942321006
>>942320903
>i thought that you righties agreed that enlightenment gave us nothing but shit. which one is it?
You're a retard. The right in the USA is entirely based on the revolutionary republicanism and natural rights of the enlightenment.
What are you, some retarded britbong that thinks "the right" are just a bunch of inbred monarchists? We kicked that shit to the curb 250 years ago.
Anonymous No.942321006 [Report] >>942321092
>>942320963
>The right in the USA is entirely based on the revolutionary republicanism and natural rights of the enlightenment.
ahahahahaha! he really believes that!
Anonymous No.942321092 [Report] >>942321293
>>942321006
OK, you're just someone of barely average IQ who reads a lot of communist bullshit and thinks you're intelligent.
You're dumb as fuck and have no understanding of either history or economics, and have probably glomed on to this retarded shit because your sociology degree doesn't mean shit in the work force and you're pissed no one wants to pay you more than minimum wage to make fucking lattes for AWFLs.
Anonymous No.942321269 [Report] >>942321323
>>942320471
Nah. Real capitalism hasn't been tried yet.
Anonymous No.942321293 [Report]
>>942321092
oh, look, we have an enlightened burger who chugs burger propaganda as if he has a funnel surgically attached to his mouth
tell me more how that enlightenment works for you with all the woke/progressive stuff that originated in burgertopia. surely you just love how things are in your country right now
Anonymous No.942321323 [Report] >>942321355 >>942321662
>>942321269
doesn't even matter if true or not. it's flawed by definition
Anonymous No.942321355 [Report] >>942321385
>>942321323
You have the self awareness of a fucking goldfish
Anonymous No.942321371 [Report] >>942321634
If you think AI can't or won't be exploited and doesn't have major bugs and flaws even without malice applied, then you have never dealt with YouTube.
Show me a fully functioning AI model that will successfully, fairly, and without any errors properly administer this communist utopia. Point to one that already exists. Grok or ChatGPT? Deepseek?
Anonymous No.942321385 [Report] >>942321491
>>942321355
you definitely have something in common with a goldfish if you can't scroll up 7 posts
Anonymous No.942321491 [Report] >>942321634
>>942321385
>doesn't even matter if true or not. it's flawed by definition
You don't even realize that this is exactly what people have been telling you about communism for this entire thread, do you?
Like I said, dumb as fuck.
Anonymous No.942321634 [Report] >>942321733 >>942321814
>>942321371
> YouTube
youtube is a corpo slop. think open software
yes, it will be flawed at first. but it can be improved to a stable version
>Point to one that already exists
there's none designed for this as of yet
>ChatGPT?
yes, GPT could manage. try it yourself, see how it performs
>>942321491
i do realize that not a single one of you could even properly define communism in the first place
i ask you to define a triangle and you're talking about poetry. that's how you look, retard-kun
Anonymous No.942321662 [Report] >>942321718
>>942321323
>she did the meme
Anonymous No.942321718 [Report] >>942321769
>>942321662
>retard still can't scroll up now 10 posts
Anonymous No.942321733 [Report] >>942321784
>>942321634
>there's none designed for this as of yet
Literally a permutation of
>>942316263
>Besides we're right around the corner from having robots do literally EVERYTHING for us (any day now).
Anonymous No.942321769 [Report] >>942321824
>>942321718
>real communism is perfect and hasnt been tried yet
>no you cant use the same argument about capitalism
>REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!
Anonymous No.942321784 [Report]
>>942321733
except machines already do shitload of work so humans don't have to. you're being retarded on purpose
Anonymous No.942321814 [Report] >>942321992
>>942321634
And you haven't defined capitalism in any realistic sense. Just thrown out a few strawmen from the commie literature that your brain isn't even equipped to comprehend.
You're not much more than a parrot. You don't appear to have much in the way of either critical thinking skills or fluid reasoning ability.
You're a best a midwit who reads a lot and can spit stuff back that you really don't understand.
Anonymous No.942321824 [Report] >>942321977
>>942321769
>no you cant use the same argument about capitalism
>retard STILL cant fucking read what was written 12 posts ago
the gap is growing larger. you might be able to process the numbers if it goes into 2X
Anonymous No.942321849 [Report]
>>942301721
>actually against the law to collect water
Only in areas that historically need rainwater runoff to flow freely such as ranches out west. I'm about a 15 minute drive from a hippie grocery store right here that literally has rain barrels and big signs proclaiming why they have them and how proud they are of their rainwater collection. They've been in business since 1989 and the epa, the feds, the local law enforcement, the usda, whatever haven't come for them yet.
Anonymous No.942321977 [Report]
>>942321824
You talking about this one?

>>942320471
>capitalism at it's very core enforces hierarchy
What corner of your ass did you pull that out of? Capitalism is about reaping the rewards of your own labor and not being compelled to give them away to "share" with those who don't achieve. If that's "hierarchy" to you, then you just need to git gud.

>and rewards bad behaviour, therefore it's a failure
That's why it's an economic system and not a government system as I already discussed many posts earlier which you have apparently forgotten about or choose to ignore. Retard.
Anonymous No.942321992 [Report]
>>942321814
>And you haven't defined capitalism in any realistic sense
because we're not talking about capitalism. maybe stop grasping at straws and get back to point? think you can do that?
also ironic that you never try to address anything i wrote, just keep making up your own scenarios and moving the goalposts in hopes that you'll finally win
i have no critical thinking? you can't even fucking define communism. hell, you can't even ctrl+f and look it up in this very thread. you're just thrashing around like a turd during flushing because you're a disingenuous prick