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Anonymous No.942327756 [Report] >>942327842 >>942328647 >>942328652 >>942328922 >>942329894 >>942330481 >>942331266 >>942331416 >>942331491 >>942332151 >>942332208 >>942332277 >>942332659 >>942332732 >>942335707 >>942336855 >>942337254 >>942348487 >>942353281 >>942353602 >>942354128 >>942354302 >>942354346 >>942354558 >>942354677
How is taxation not theft?
Anonymous No.942327842 [Report] >>942328233 >>942329831
>>942327756 (OP)
Heard a good one related to this:
"a fine is a tax for doing wrong , a tax is a fine for doing well"

Your fortune: Excellent Luck
Anonymous No.942328233 [Report] >>942328590 >>942330987 >>942336855 >>942354354
>>942327842
There is no consent, only coercion. What do you think?
Anonymous No.942328590 [Report]
>>942328233
Dubs checked. I think a limited form of taxation is wise in order to keep things running, however the common man should not have to front it when corporations exist, and when tax is applied to land (annually), it makes owning property impossible.

I'm rambling, but many forms of tax is tantamount to theft, but some degree of taxation must exist in order for a nation to function.

It shouldn't be property tax, and it shouldn't be a heavy burden inching the populous towards financial ruin and homelessness.

There's a compromise to be made somewhere, but that's too ambiguous to see at the moment.

Also, when we are sending billions overseas to other nations, and to war when our own people are starving, that should be illegal.

Probably not coming back, but I agree with you for the most part. At least in spirit.
OP No.942328647 [Report] >>942328893 >>942346849
>>942327756 (OP)
If taxation is theft then don't use the government services you degenerate.
Anonymous No.942328652 [Report]
>>942327756 (OP)
oh look, another ancap retard. you're not rich, so stop shilling for them.
Anonymous No.942328893 [Report]
>>942328647
This is really the heart of the matter. Taxes only exist because the government believes it needs money to do things. The more “services” the government believes it should provide, the more money it will believe it needs, and the more taxes you will pay.

The only way to slow or stop taxes is to slow or stop the government from doing things.
Anonymous No.942328922 [Report] >>942329881 >>942353337
>>942327756 (OP)
Because theft is a crime.
Taxation is a Constitutionally sanctioned mechanism agreed upon by a 2/3rds majority in Congress and 3/4ths of the states.
Good luck trying to change that OP
Anonymous No.942329002 [Report] >>942329920 >>942339380
I feel adopting VAT would benefit America so long as it stays at a reasonable amount.
Anonymous No.942329831 [Report] >>942329881
>>942327842
A healthy society will fine billionaires a bajillion dollars for participating in war investments and genocide.
Anonymous No.942329881 [Report] >>942330012 >>942339180
>>942328922
Hiding Anne Frank is illegal. Legality =/=>>942329831
morality retard
Anonymous No.942329894 [Report]
>>942327756 (OP)
Fake. The guy on the bottom right should be white.
Anonymous No.942329920 [Report]
>>942329002
We need taxes on big things like the stock market and wealth taxes. Little piddly taxes that hurt the people don't raise enough money to offset anything
Anonymous No.942330012 [Report] >>942331591
>>942329881
You're literally trying to equate extreme due process to "theft" anon, you're not exactly logical lol
Anonymous No.942330481 [Report] >>942352905
>>942327756 (OP)

It's theft in the same way the existence of others is harassment. It is an inherent imposition of society and a hypothetical imperative. If you want X, Y, Z, you must do A. Technically, you don't have to breathe. You have to breathe -if- you want to continue to live. This requirement for breathing is an inherent imposition and can be compared to a slavery to nature. Similarly, taxation is an inherent imposition on the citizens of a government. If you want the functions of government, you must infuse your monster with blood. The libertarian will of course cry
>"Release me! I need no government! I want my treasure!"
>and treasure it must be, for currency and the standardization of purity are both functions of government

Little realizing that the only thing keeping his wealth in his pocket is the defense of the state. "I can hire guards!" But when, historically, the sufficiently organized bandit clan scares them off or puts them to the sword your property is forfeit. The state is a -development-. This is not humanities first rodeo. The threat of the state's overwhelming and functionally infinite force keeps things in line. Governments in capitalist countries particularly exist primarily to defend the capital, their defense is both local and imperial, and can guarantee the investments of the ultra wealthy. What we're living in is the scientific trial and error result of thousands of years of people trying to have as much money as possible without things going tits up and all the numbers are saying that we're already pushing our luck.
Anonymous No.942330987 [Report]
>>942328233
>There is no consent, only coercion
Societal expectations are coercive.
You getting pissed off at some fag strutting around the street naked is a form of coersion. Some fags getting pissed off at you for flying your countries flag are also coercive. You can't engage in society without violating and expressing your own coercive reactivity towards normal.

If you didn't have a government, you'd still be taxed in terms of the time you have to dedicate to your own protection, your own comfort of living, your own sanity.
Anonymous No.942331002 [Report]
Its theft by an institutionalized mafia that we were born into. Its supposed to be protection fees to keep us safe from the rival gangs (aka foreign nations) and troublemakers. It is also said to be for maintaining infrastructure and to take care of fellow gang members that made great contributions to the gang or are in need.
The justification rings hollow given the results.
A gang that looks at its members as tools instead of family is not a good gang. We are in a bad gang.
Anonymous No.942331266 [Report] >>942331535
>>942327756 (OP)
Think of taxes as a user fee for participating in civilization.
I do think there should be a place you folks can go if you opt out.
Anonymous No.942331416 [Report] >>942331535
>>942327756 (OP)
You are free to pack your bags and go somewhere else.
Anonymous No.942331491 [Report] >>942331535
>>942327756 (OP)
Taxes are the price you pay for living in a functioning society
Anonymous No.942331535 [Report] >>942331571 >>942332652
>>942331266
>>942331491
You think America is a functioning society? LOL
>>942331416
Just tell this to black people in the US who complain about racism. Good idea
Anonymous No.942331571 [Report]
>>942331535
>Just tell this to black people in the US who complain about racism. Good idea
They actually did pack up and go somewhere else. It's called Liberia.
It also had back-to-back civil wars.
Anonymous No.942331591 [Report] >>942335976
>>942330012
And you're arguing because something is legal it's ok. My point stands. Also billionaires hate taxes while telling retards like you to love taxes. That's why you pay more in percentage of taxes then them.
Anonymous No.942332151 [Report] >>942335976
>>942327756 (OP)
Taxation is theft, legalized stealing. Stealing is what capitalism is founded upon. It's one large money-funneling theft religion, complete with right-think and wrong-think. You will obey and make the problem even larger.

Company makes item costing $20 and sells it for $240 = legalized theft.

Company hires person and pays them the least possible by law = legalized theft.

Endless property taxes = legalized theft.
Anonymous No.942332208 [Report]
>>942327756 (OP)
Mugger don't fix the roads and run the schools.
See Hamas.
Anonymous No.942332277 [Report] >>942339398
>>942327756 (OP)
>How is taxation not theft?
I literally vote against my self-interest and I vote.
Tax me, not billionaires.
That's how.
Anonymous No.942332652 [Report] >>942332836
>>942331535
>You think America is a functioning society? LOL
Well, it was until a bunch of morons started thinking that taxation was theft.
Anonymous No.942332659 [Report]
>>942327756 (OP)
it is. ironically it's always the ones voting for it that end up paying lol

simply plan properly and you'll pay zero, may require u to ditch garbage citizenship that taxes global income and obtain citizenship + tax residency somewhere else tho
Anonymous No.942332732 [Report] >>942332880
>>942327756 (OP)
Because usually when you get mugged, the mugger doesn't tend to come back and give you healthcare, education for your kids, build and maintain the roads you drive on, pay for a firefighters to come to your house if it catches fire, etc x 1000000
Anonymous No.942332836 [Report]
>>942332652
So you love George Washington the slave owner? Get out of here white boy BBC is bigger and that's why you seethe to own blacks because they have what you don't
Anonymous No.942332880 [Report]
>>942332732
If that mugger also bombed Palestinian children maybe I would be against giving that mugger money but strangely despite hating the US empire leftists get mad when I don't give it money for imperialism
Anonymous No.942335707 [Report]
>>942327756 (OP)
tax
Anonymous No.942335976 [Report] >>942338921
>>942331591
>>942332151
you're a retard, taxation has been explained to you
Anonymous No.942336855 [Report] >>942338921 >>942338953 >>942339354 >>942353465
>>942327756 (OP)
Taxation is rent. You use public land, public services, public institutions every day, so you pay for that you fucking mooch.

Don't want to pay your rent? Well then of course the cops show up at your door and force you to pay. Funny how libertarians never have a problem with using violence to get money out of people when it's for private profit.

Don't like it? Leave the country and renounce your citizenship. No one's forcing you to be here.

>>942328233
Elections. Elections are the consent.

Again, this is a principle that libertarians understand 100% when it applies to private institutions. When the shareholders of a company vote on something, the losers don't get to whine about how the company is using the money they invested in it for things they didn't agree to. That's just how corporations work: a majority vote decides how the company spends the money all the investors have pooled together. Yet when it comes to government elections, suddenly libertarians start playing dumb.
Anonymous No.942337254 [Report]
>>942327756 (OP)
Cuz the rules are different when a monopoly of force is involved, apparently.
Monopoly of force + gun to your head = gibs me your money
Anonymous No.942338921 [Report] >>942353941
>>942335976
ad hominem fallacy
>>942336855
"Just leave" Damn. Tell that to the no King's protesters or anyone complaining about someone's KKK uniform. What a masterful class argument
Anonymous No.942338953 [Report]
>>942336855
>dubs
>suebi-posting
illegal! ;_;7
Anonymous No.942339035 [Report] >>942339443
Anonymous No.942339180 [Report] >>942339990
>>942329881
Moving the goalposts. The OP talked about crime, not morality.
Anonymous No.942339354 [Report] >>942353941
>>942336855
This is the most bootlicking post I've seen in a while.
Anonymous No.942339380 [Report]
>>942329002
>VAT would benefit America
God no. It makes no sense.
Anonymous No.942339398 [Report]
>>942332277
>Tax me, not billionaires.
Same thing.
Anonymous No.942339443 [Report] >>942340040 >>942340043
>>942339035
I've encountered this dilemma many times myself
Similar to when they complain about red states taking welfare but are willing to burn down you city to keep that welfare.
Anonymous No.942339990 [Report]
>>942339180
The word theft was used as immoral stealing not in a legal way. This is a morality debate not a law question
Anonymous No.942340040 [Report] >>942353116
>>942339443
>I've encountered this dilemma many times myself
One fedora per group, Adam.
Anonymous No.942340043 [Report]
>>942339443
tbf I would prefer my taxdollars to go to a republican named John Racist and his Snap benefits than bombing middle eastern children
Anonymous No.942341236 [Report] >>942343211
bump
Anonymous No.942343211 [Report]
>>942341236
up
Anonymous No.942346849 [Report]
>>942328647
I already paid for them though, bootlicker.
Anonymous No.942348487 [Report] >>942352000
>>942327756 (OP)
how is printing money not theft?
Anonymous No.942352000 [Report] >>942354597
>>942348487
So you can understand the price tags on trading cards and bitcoin but not printed cash?
Are you that genuinely cucked by communism you ignore reality?
Anonymous No.942352905 [Report]
>>942330481
please tell me you wrote that yourself and not some ai
Anonymous No.942353116 [Report]
>>942340040
kek
Anonymous No.942353281 [Report]
>>942327756 (OP)
>How is taxation not theft?
Once you realize there're options...
TaxationIsTheft
RegulationIsRepression.
WarIsRacketeering
Anonymous No.942353337 [Report]
>>942328922
>Taxation is a Constitutionally sanctioned mechanism agreed upon by a 2/3rds majority in Congress and 3/4ths of the states.
>Good luck trying to change that OP
No, not really.

Besides, libertarians in Florida got rid of the income and many incidental taxes, and are targeting the real estate tax.

There're options. These have been known since 1970. Read up.
Anonymous No.942353465 [Report] >>942353643 >>942353941
>>942336855
This has to be ragebait.
>If someone do not rent, don't use public roads or health care, just stays on his private property and produces his own food an electricity, they don't have to pay taxes right? WRONG
>renounce your citizenship, not every country lets you, and also you can only do it if you are a citizen of an another country
>Elections are the consent. Cool, that means if i don't take part in it, I get to keep my money.
Anonymous No.942353602 [Report]
>>942327756 (OP)
It is. What are you going to do about it?
The minimal state is a bunch of guys with spears/guns in an area who extract value from you, the peasant. This is actually an extremely effective foundation for societal organization which is why it has curbstomped every other mode of organization it has ever come up against.

I started to explain the Gentilian tutelary/ethical/total state which kind of solves the problem of libertarianism by making society coextensive with the state and therefore not meaningfully coercive for 99% of its subjects, but I realized that's not something you are capable of understanding. So basically we're going to fucking kill you.
NChan No.942353643 [Report] >>942354092
>>942353465
who is providing you with money to pay?

>>just stays on his private property and produces his own food an electricity, they don't have to pay taxes right? WRONG

you would be a prisoner on your property if this was possible. you would need a passport to leave your house ffs. and good luck getting clean drinking water. and don't tell me that you can buy it. with what money?
are you really that retarded? are you from alabama?
Anonymous No.942353941 [Report] >>942354208
>>942353465
>If someone do not rent, don't use public roads or health care, just stays on his private property and produces his own food an electricity, they don't have to pay taxes right? WRONG
If you're just staying on your own property, producing your own food, not interacting with the rest of society in any way, then you wouldn't be affected by income taxes, sales taxes, etc, etc.

But you're never actually going to do that, are you? Because although libertarians might talk about living in a cabin in the forest completely off the grid, they'd last about a week on their own before they came running back to civilization.

And if the land itself is taxed, let's not forget that only reason you're able to 'own' that land is because the cops - and, in a broader sense, the military - are there to stop other people from taking it. You benefit from government spending on security passively whether you interact with it or not.

>Elections are the consent. Cool, that means if i don't take part in it, I get to keep my money.
Again, if you are a shareholder in a company and you choose not to exercise your voting rights, that doesn't mean the company can't spend the money you invested. If you don't like the way the majority voted, your option is to take your money and leave the company.

>renounce your citizenship, not every country lets you
Okay, well if you live in one of those then your whining about freedom would have some justification. But you don't, do you.

>>942338921
>Tell that to the no King's protesters or anyone complaining about someone's KKK uniform.
But they're not complaining about the fundamental concept of government.

>>942339354
>I don't have an actual argument, so I'll just call him a bootlicker
Anonymous No.942354092 [Report] >>942354250
>>942353643
>you would be a prisoner on your property
That's the point, I couldn't even live in solitude without paying for bullshit I don't need.
>good luck getting clean drinking water
I already have my own well and my own clean drinking water, dude.
Lick your overlords boots harder, please.
Anonymous No.942354128 [Report]
>>942327756 (OP)
Because you inherited a social contract from your parents. It doesn't matter that you didn't want it, you're bound by it. It doesn't matter that it's shitty, unless you forcibly renegotiate it, you're bound by it.
>Bbbut my natural rights.
You don't have any. The trees didn't grand you any rights, nor did the ground or sky or the fucking animals.
Anonymous No.942354208 [Report]
>>942353941
>then you wouldn't be affected by income taxes, sales taxes, etc, etc.

But I still have to pay property taxes and get a permit for everything I want to build.

>the military - are there to stop other people from taking it.

How about letting me defend my own land the way I want?

>But you don't, do you.

I did, and I'm force to keep that shit until the day I'll die.
Anonymous No.942354250 [Report] >>942354340 >>942354385
>>942354092
do you have an apothecary on your property as well?
let me guess, you grow your own medicinal plants. and good luck with maintenance. i hope you know how to cultivate and refine cotton or have some sheep and hopefully will never have a bad season
Anonymous No.942354302 [Report] >>942354358
>>942327756 (OP)
>wants all the benefits of living in a land of taxation but doesn't want to contribute
fuck off yeah? This libertarian babble is just there to make you feel somehow enlightened for voting in the best interests of the super rich.

You are not, and never will be, one of those super rich. If they're not paying you, stop carrying their water you fucking simp.
Anonymous No.942354323 [Report]
no one who says shit like this has any money to tax anyway, so I'm not sure what the problem is
Anonymous No.942354340 [Report] >>942354498
>>942354250
What you fail to understand is that he would happily die on that hill as long as he could do it on his own terms. Lolberts are egotists who don't care about quality of outcomes, only their control of the outcome. They would literally castrate themselves in a second if they thought it would magically liberate them from authority.
Anonymous No.942354346 [Report]
>>942327756 (OP)
how is you dun dum deedee doo reading words herpaderp?
Read a book, nigger. There are books on exactly that subject of state taxation.
But that's haaaaaard, isn't it? :(
The choice is yours.
Anonymous No.942354354 [Report]
>>942328233
you consented to it when you drove down the public roads while listening to the weather report homie.
Anonymous No.942354358 [Report] >>942354559
>>942354302
All voting is in favor of the super rich you day one tard. Or do you still think team blue isn't just putting on a show for the morons along with team red?
Anonymous No.942354385 [Report] >>942354568 >>942354806
>>942354250
>do you have an apothecary on your property as well?
That's the point you fucking moron!
Even if I had, I'd still have to pay for healthcare in the country I live in. Even if I had a team of robotic surgeons and doctors just waiting for me to fall over, I'd still have to pay taxes for something I'd never use. What if someone just never gets sick because of their good genes and giving a fuck about their health? Guess what - They still have to pay heavy bucks for healthcare in all of EU just like the people who live on corn syrup and carcinogenic slop all their life.

Nice self portrait btw.
Anonymous No.942354498 [Report]
>>942354340
Being left alone instead of being exploited and used as livestock is literally the worst thing ever... How dare they?
We should all pay for the greater good that's being decided by a handful of megalomaniac psychopaths!
Anonymous No.942354558 [Report]
>>942327756 (OP)
OP should start a youtube channel and tell us all how things really work.
Anonymous No.942354559 [Report]
>>942354358
>hurr the parties are the same don't even bother durr
fuck off with that false equivalence psyop, GRU shitbird.
Anonymous No.942354568 [Report]
>>942354385
i see. i'm so sorry for offending you, my hyperborean demigod
Anonymous No.942354597 [Report]
>>942352000
what?
Anonymous No.942354677 [Report]
>>942327756 (OP)
Excalty..thats why I dont pay them. Hear that, Internal Revenue service.

Suck me, cock! I gots guns that say, I'm ok.... :)
Anonymous No.942354806 [Report] >>942354892
>>942354385
so, you wouldn't isolate yourself IF you could, you're just mad that this isn't an option?
Anonymous No.942354892 [Report]
>>942354806
No, I'm mad that a telemarketer from Bengladesh who's being tasked today to justify higher taxes for people on 4channel wants me to explain my motivations, and why I don't like being robbed.
I'm done here, you can push your agenda in peace now.